Thoughts?
Happy New Year as well all.
Thoughts?
Happy New Year as well all.
****ing coward.
Sweater
Never play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon just knocks all the pieces over. Then craps all over the board. Then struts around like it won.
My thoughts are that it's stupid just like most anything the government is involved with. I just glanced through it so I will have to read it better later but it seems to mention in one place that you can register them for free within the first 120 days???
From the only state in the USA where O'dumbass failed to carry a single county. :hail:
On one hand, I don't know how much I even care since Oklahoma is a constitution carry state and ignores Fed laws on guns so screw it but on the other, my "truck gun" is a 13 1/2" AR and I do travel out of state in it and don't want to have to worry about running into problems with it.
I will most likely just go ahead and register it as a SBR and be done with it. Really, the only reason I haven't done it already is laziness along with my hesitantly at donating 200 bucks to a corrupt government to pay for a right that was already given to me by the constitution.
Last edited by creepycrawler; January 14th, 2023 at 06:57 AM.
It looks like if you have a brace, you can now remove it and put a stock on it, and still keep it shorty. It will now be an SBR
https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regula...edpdf/download
ONCE THE FIREARM IS REGISTERED AS A SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE (SBR) CAN I REMOVE/CHANGE THE “STABILIZING BRACE” OR ATTACH AN ITEM MARKETED AS A STOCK? IF SO, AM I REQUIRED TO NOTIFY ATF IN ADVANCE?
Yes, the firearm is registered as an SBR, and you can change out the “brace” device or stock for a different brace or stock. You do not need to contact ATF/NFA because changing the brace/stock does not change the configuration of the SBR. However, if the length of the firearm has changed you will need to notify the NFA Division.
You also don't have to get it engraved.
27. ONCE THE FIREARM IS REGISTERED, AM I REQUIRED TO MARK THE FIREARM SINCE I MANUFACTURED
A SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE (SBR)?
• If the SBR equipped with a “stabilizing brace” is registered within the 120-day tax forbearance
period, the possessor is allowed to adopt the markings on the firearm. The maker’s marking
exception is only applicable to firearms that are registered pursuant to the final rule. If the
firearm is a personally made firearm, the possessor must mark in accordance with 27 CFR 478.92
& 479.102 prior to submitting the E-Form 1
Aww.. CC and Bigdog kissed and made up... makes me a bit verklempt
He still wants to be me and cares about what I say, I guess. He is still blocked from my end.
Also since I already own a bunch of NFA items, and in the "system". Ditching my couple of braces, no big deal.
Not that hard to travel with them either (SBR's) just need to fill out ATF Form 5320.20
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/fo...a-firearms-atf
Originally Posted by DaleD
Aww.. CC and Bigdog kissed and made up... makes me a bit verklempt
A few things are starting to pop up in regards to this:
Fingerprints, trying to figure this out. I have mine rolled on .gov forms already, but a lot are looking at an EFT style. So I would think I can mail in my prints to cover that option.
And they may need a "passport" style photo. That is easy...
Hearing rumors that the 5th circuit Court of Appeals is going to sue to overturn the whole mess so who knows.
Today starts the 120 day countdown to get your braced rifle registered as a NFA item
https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...ilizing-braces
120 days? They cannot keep up with normal submittal volumes. How can anyone believe they will get all the braces done in 120 days? Besides, why would I register a brace? If I am doing an ATF tax payment, I am pitching the brace and mounting a stock.
Good thing I lost all my cool parts in a terrible boating accident years ago.
Proudly un-offended.
There are already 4 known lawsuits that have been or are in the process of being filed since yesterday with most likely more to come over this stupid crap so hopefully it gets shot down and is a non-issue.
120 days to SUBMIT. It's a "grace period"
Your "stamp".... you get it down the road. Just like if you were to SBR something, not that I know anything about that process.
That is free, you ain't paying for it.
You LOSE the lame brace and can attach an actual stock.
If you have been through the NFA process before no issue.
If you wear tinfoil, keep your brace and risk your dog being shot and some time in a federal prison. Over a brace.
Your call...
Again if you already own cool NFA items, no big deal, if you wear tin foil and all about "muh freedumb", keep that brace and you do you.
* The PITA is the fingerprint process it seems. I can roll prints all day long, as I know LEO and they will assist on that.
Alo I am trying to figure out how to get this into my trust.... I don't want this as an Individual.
And to your point on the 120 days turn around... yeah it ain't happening. In another thread I got a whisper pickle back in 96 days, then it all went to poo poo.
I have lost count of the number of lawsuits that have now been put in place over this illegal activity by the ATF. Suffice it to say that there are numerous individuals, companies, and organizations along with over half of the states in the USA that have active suits against the ATF and DOJ at this point.
This is going to get interesting. We all know, well maybe not doggie but most of us know that what the ATF has been doing is completely illegal due to the fact that they are unable to "make law". Anyway the ATF is now being called on the carpet as the leader as well as a couple of his minions are being demanded to testify in Congress about the pistol brace "laws" that they are enacting.
https://youtu.be/5D6NwqRuIzc
I STILL need to do this LOL
And PLEASE take what ever the CREEP says with a grain of salt, I see that he loves to post in my threads (which is weird as he knows he is ignored) and I 100% know this guy isn't a lawyer.
I am sure silly terms like "sovereign citizen" are part of his mantra.
Or even worse "I Live In OklahomA!!!"
Are you drunk? Serious question.
I am replying to "your" thread because i have a vested interest in the topic.
Why do you constantly have to point out how brave you are by pushing an ignore button on a public forum when everyone knows that you do read my posts because you have been busted too many times in the past replying to something i have said. Its obvious that you only put me on ignore long enough to screenshot a pic showing im on ignore to post up to prove your bravery.
Seek professional help....please.
Next post from him will probably be a screen shot showing im on ignore. SMH....
The ATF Director was forced to be in front of the Judiciary Committee and testify on the pistol brace crap along with zero tolerance for FFLs that they are putting in place. The ATF Director started out as a babbling idiot and by the time they were done with him, he was a drooling babbling idiot.
Also, the bump stock rule that the ATF put in place a couple years ago was just overturned as an overreach by the ATF.
Chicago's "assault rifle" ban also had an injunction put on it yesterday due to it being unconstitutional and pistol braces were also mentioned in that decision.
I highly doubt the the ATFs rule will not have been struck down by the time it is implemented at the end of next month but we will see.
https://www.youtube.com/live/tvgfkzDa92E?feature=share
Most of my braces have been through the process.
A bit "tricky" but done.
Whatever the Lil Creep posts, take with a grain of salt (again) he is not someone who has shown themselves to be knowledgeable over the years... Aurora was too tough for him.
You really are a pathetic lil guy aren't you. Aurora? I dont even know what that means. I never lived there or anything.
Damn Matt ....
You post a topic on a public forum (not very public anymore, but still) and want to screen who replies to "your" thread? .... Specifically, you want to screen out (pretty much) the only other participant who has expressed interest in the topic?
Dang man, sometimes you have to get over past transgressions/grudges and most times you have to read the room.
Good luck with everything else relevant to your thread.
Yes....
As over the years (and you know this to be true) he really hasn't brought much to posts/threads.
I want folks to understand what is going on in regards to this, because the ATF gives ZERO F's on this.... no matter what I "think/feel".
It may seem "petty" but in reality he could just click on the thread and learn and NOT comment.
He does it for one reason, he needs my recognition
I get it, there is like 4 people who post here.... and it is weird. I mean it took me 10 days to check in here...
I mailed my prints in to the ATF, I also got my prints converted to an EFT file too!!
This is esoteric/goofy stuff but in this space needs to be done.
Thanks for attending my TED talk.
Damn Matt ....
You post a topic on a public forum (not very public anymore, but still) and want to screen who replies to "your" thread? .... Specifically, you want to screen out (pretty much) the only other participant who has expressed interest in the topic?
Dang man, sometimes you have to get over past transgressions/grudges and most times you have to read the room.
Good luck with everything else relevant to your thread.
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Bahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.....oh shit....oh shit....take breath. Take breath.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah....
So out of the available options currently given by the ATF, if a guy isnt really going to do much with his AR "pistol " then sure, going ahead and filing it as an NFA item is the best way to go other than the fact that you are giving the feds proof that you own said firearm.
I am not doing that mainly because of the restriction of having to file for written permission every time you want to cross state lines with it. One of of AR "pistols" is my truck gun. Thats where it lives. If it was only having to file for permission to haul it to Kansas a couple of times a year to go to the sand dunes, it probably wouldnt be that big of a deal but i live 15 minutes from Texas so i run into Texas quite bit and they typically are not trips that i have planned a month in advance.
I dont want to have to either worry about getting busted for crossing state lines with it without permission or have to unload it from the truck every time i think i might decide to run to Sherman for some reason.
I will live with my decision on how to handle it for now but i still expect the whole ruling to be overturned just like the bump stock "law" was a few weeks ago. I just hope it doesnt take as long to get it shot down as the bump stock rule did.
So a Judge in the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals did find in faver of plantifs over the ATF and their stupid pistol brace law this morning and filed an injunction on it. This decision somehow only applies to the people and or groups who filed that particular law suit but it is HUGE to have this happen because now other judges in other law suit cases about the stupid pistol brace law can site this case to bolster their own decisions.
Not out of the woods yet but going the right direction 8 days before the ATF turn millions of law abiding citizens into felons.
A second temporary injunction was filed by texas courts today against the stoopid illegal pistol brace rule. More reason to be optimistic that even if it takes effect in a few more days that it wont last long.
Last day to get this done, if you are at this stage you most likely will be paying the "fee" on this.
There is this too:
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics...ing-brace-case
BUT the main thing is this:
The full impact of the decision wasn't immediately clear. The order applied only to the plaintiffs in the case: two gun owners, a company that makes pistols with stabilizing braces, and a gun-rights group. The appeals court did not say whether the rule was blocked for others, including people who buy the guns from the company, Maxim Defense Industries, and members of the Firearms Policy Coalition.
I for one do not look to Elon for "sage" wisdom or advice...
PT Barnum is nodding from his grave to this person
Well myself as well as up to as many as 40 million law abiding Americans wake up this morning as potential felons thanks to the ATF and their unconstitutional BS.
No, the vast majority will not "end up paying the fee" for a couple of reasons. I still firmly believe that the pistol brace rule will be overturned sooner or later. Also, unlike some sheeple, most are unwilling to voluntarily give the ATF proof of what guns they have and pay for the ATF to restrict how they use them or where they can take them without written permission every time.
You probably don't own NFA items
You probably don't own items with a brace
So you probably have no understanding of this anyways LOL
But please post more memes you stole from, let me check... aww yes. Irate LOL
Bro....
NO ONE cares what you say.... and I am sure it is 100% ignorant as usual.
And again so weird how YOU need to respond after I post.
There you go little Creep you got my recognition.
June 1st, 2023, 05:43 AM
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Remove user from ignore list NEVER LOL
God I love a good cat fight.....
Bro....
NO ONE cares what you say.... and I am sure it is 100% ignorant as usual.
And again so weird how YOU need to respond after I post.
There you go little Creep you got my recognition.
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Remove user from ignore list NEVER LOL
Except there is only one person in the fight. He is apparently just too drunk to realize it. I gave up caring about him a long time ago.
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