View Poll Results: Wolves reintroduced in CO?

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    Prop 114 Gray Wolf reintroduction in Colorado

    Thoughts?
    I am torn.
    We have had wolves in and out for years now, most notably up in the NW corner of the state, although some from that pack may have been killed in WY.
    I lean towards "natural" migration, since more of my money and .gov involvement..

    Thoughts?

    Or are you not voting this fall?
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    I'm undecided as well. When people mess up an environment, I don't know if it's best to let nature adapt or interfere more. I'll be researching this one quite a bit.
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    Bacon is SOOOO 2003

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    I'm going to vote "no"

    My reason is that the introduction legislation is not based on science or on any form of logic. From what I've read, the DPW is not in favor of this for several reasons--1 wolves already exist in Colorado on their own, they came in from Wyoming and there's an established pack north of Craig, if I remember their location correctly. 2--the introduction and the manpower requirements are all being dictated by the legislation without any communication with DPW, USFS or any agency of any sort that will ultimately be charged with managing the wolves. 3--the location was picked not with any science or any planning. 4--where will the funding come from? It makes about as much sense as if I were to put a counter-proposal together and say "let's introduce the wolves in Boulder County and have Boulder County residents pay for it because there are nuisance elk, deer and prairie dogs in Boulder County and the wolves will reduce those numbers". It's an emotional response with no basis in logic or rational thought, much like this legislation.
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    i would very much like to see the wolf introduced to boulder county
    Last edited by vb; September 25th, 2020 at 09:27 AM.

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    Drop in however many wolves are needed to stop the urbanization and overcrowding and Californiacation of Colorado in General. Seriously, I wish it was that easy. It is sad to see how much of our once beautiful outdoors is becoming overrun. Population of the State has almost doubled in just the last 40 years.

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    I read the Sentinel editorial against it. I'm pretty surprised that they were against it as they are typically left leaning. It seems to me that this isn't an agenda often pushed by conservatives.
    Their main reason they seemed to be against it is sort of what Ken L posted. They were for returning the wolf but would rather leave it up to the "professionals" i.e. county, state, and federal bureaus. They said that Prop 114 was not the right way to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamFromCO View Post
    Their main reason they seemed to be against it is sort of what Ken L posted. They were for returning the wolf but would rather leave it up to the "professionals" i.e. county, state, and federal bureaus. They said that Prop 114 was not the right way to do it.
    According to this link Prop 114 only sets a deadline for reintroduction with funding and reporting requirements. CPW still is the one to develop the plan.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_Pro...tiative_(2020)


    Proposition 114 would require the Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission to create a plan to reintroduce and manage gray wolves on designated lands west of the continental divide by the end of 2023. Under the measure, the commission would be directed to do the following:[1]

    develop a plan to reintroduce gray wolves "using the best scientific data available";
    hold hearings across the state to gather information to be used in developing the plan;
    update the plan after obtaining public input periodically; and
    reintroduce wolves on designated lands by December 31, 2023.
    Under the measure, the commission would be tasked with paying "fair compensation to owners of livestock for any losses of livestock caused by gray wolves." The commission would not be able to impose any restrictions on private landowners regarding land, water, or resource use in furtherance of the plan.[1]

    The reintroduction plan would need to comply with Colorado Revised Statutes 33-2-105.7, which outlines reporting requirements. The commission would need to prepare a report with data on the potential economic and ecological impacts of reintroduction, projected survival rates of the animals being reintroduced, and the potential impacts of not reintroducing the animal. The report would need to be submitted to the general assembly within 30 days of its completion. For five years, the commission would need to prepare an annual report with data on the status of the reintroduction effort, survival rates of the reintroduced animal, and goals and timelines of the reintroduction program.[1]

    The measure directs the state legislature to make appropriations to fund the reintroduction program and authorizes the legislature to adopt legislation to further the goals under the initiative to reintroduce gray wolves to Colorado.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_Pro...tiative_(2020)

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    Absolutely no from me. Ballot box biology is never a good idea.

    Parts of Idaho, Washington, Oregon and Wyoming are struggling to get their wolf populations under control and in some of them allow shooting on sight. Wild ungulate populations (elk, deer and moose) have dropped significantly as well. Moose population in Wyoming in 1995 was estimated at 10k and 1,390 in 2017. Elk were 51k and 37k for the same periods. Deer 62k and 38k. Numbers per Wyoming Game and Fish. Their numbers have been climbing back since 2017, which is due to open season on wolves in Wyoming in the last three years.

    Yes, wolves were historically native to Colorado, but the wolves that were here were 1/3-1/2 the size of the Canadian wolves that are making their way across the US. The balance of nature is also nothing resembling what it was when the last of the natives were killed here. They are also working their way into Colorado already as well. Let nature take care of it if they are meant to be here.

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    Talking about the reintroduction of wolves in Colorado starts about the 19:30 mark.

    Government managing that will go about as well as the government managing our forests.
    Last edited by Aaron; October 3rd, 2020 at 12:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSP View Post
    Absolutely no from me. Ballot box biology is never a good idea.

    Parts of Idaho, Washington, Oregon and Wyoming are struggling to get their wolf populations under control and in some of them allow shooting on sight. Wild ungulate populations (elk, deer and moose) have dropped significantly as well. Moose population in Wyoming in 1995 was estimated at 10k and 1,390 in 2017. Elk were 51k and 37k for the same periods. Deer 62k and 38k. Numbers per Wyoming Game and Fish. Their numbers have been climbing back since 2017, which is due to open season on wolves in Wyoming in the last three years.

    Yes, wolves were historically native to Colorado, but the wolves that were here were 1/3-1/2 the size of the Canadian wolves that are making their way across the US. The balance of nature is also nothing resembling what it was when the last of the natives were killed here. They are also working their way into Colorado already as well. Let nature take care of it if they are meant to be here.
    Where did that info come from?

    https://idfg.idaho.gov/question/ther...-canadian-wolf

    https://trib.com/news/state-and-regi...nting%20season.

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    Article from one of the areas that will (probably) have the most impact:

    https://www.steamboatpilot.com/news/...t-proposition/

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    So in the end
    I voted no, they will be here sooner than latter.
    My wife, an avid trail runner, was initially a no, then became a yes.
    So we cancelled each other out like we do on so many other items on the ballot.

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    More people voted for wolf reintroduction than Trump.....

    https://www.steamboatpilot.com/news/...s-in-colorado/

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    In the end it will be interesting to see how this goes.
    I am curious about the "cost" on ranchers (who "lease" land at an aggressive price and other socialist handouts AKA "subsidies" they receive ) and the elk hunting and the revenue these animals bring into the state.
    And the .gov cost it is on me the taxpayer.

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    Maybe this will help with the re-introduction of wolves in Colorado. Bring them to Boulder and Jefferson counties. They are really cute even if they chomp on little Fluffy playing in the yard.
    https://www.aspendailynews.com/news/...2df2e8dbf.html

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    Since Disney educated voters are the ones who voted this stupid shit in, they should be the ones who get them first.

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    I was today years old that I learned that wolves grab small children...
    Would love to hear the stats on that.


    Quote Originally Posted by SamFromCO View Post
    Maybe this will help with the re-introduction of wolves in Colorado. Bring them to Boulder and Jefferson counties. They are really cute even if they chomp on little Fluffy playing in the yard.
    https://www.aspendailynews.com/news/...2df2e8dbf.html

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    Well, wolves are bigger than coyotes and we know that they can carry children across the border.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SamFromCO View Post
    Maybe this will help with the re-introduction of wolves in Colorado. Bring them to Boulder and Jefferson counties. They are really cute even if they chomp on little Fluffy playing in the yard.
    https://www.aspendailynews.com/news/...2df2e8dbf.html
    I like that guy. Maybe there is hope for Colorado yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creepycrawler View Post
    I like that guy. Maybe there is hope for Colorado yet.
    Bob is a good guy, won a squeaker against a true POS. Honestly he a pretty liberal "conservative". His wife is also on the state BOE.

    I have news for these folks, if they spent more time out in the woods they might notice that we already have wolves moving back in.
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    I've had encounters in wilderness areas with folks that think cow moose with calves are "cute" and refuse to leash their dogs. Same people told me that I was torturing fish by fishing for them. It will be interesting to see what happens when these brain dead people encounter wolves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken L View Post
    I've had encounters in wilderness areas with folks that think cow moose with calves are "cute" and refuse to leash their dogs. Same people told me that I was torturing fish by fishing for them. It will be interesting to see what happens when these brain dead people encounter wolves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken L View Post
    I've had encounters in wilderness areas with folks that think cow moose with calves are "cute" and refuse to leash their dogs. Same people told me that I was torturing fish by fishing for them. It will be interesting to see what happens when these brain dead people encounter wolves.
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    Good article on wolf introduction here in CO

    https://coloradosun.com/2021/07/13/g...ction-hunting/

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    I don't know why advocacy groups always have to be idiots. It's like she expects c p w to put an armed guard on a wolf pack or a single wolf now.

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