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    Since we're getting rid of all things that had anything to do with slavery....

    ....shouldn't the Democrat party be thrown out? After all, they have quite a bit of pro-slavery in their past, some much more recent than General Lee or some of the other statues that have been torn down.
    Since I don't tear down statues and banish flags I'm not sure how to feel about this sort of thing. If they have changed over the years, maybe they could change their name to something like the American Socialist Saviors party. The acronym would certainly be appropriate and it describes the way most of them feel.
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    You mean the southern Dixiecrats that all eventually started shifting to the GOP after the Civil Rights Act?

    Oh sh!t I forgot I said I wasn't gonna do this anymore.

    Cheers! Have fun storming the castle!

    Some additional reading: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/...re-coming-down

    And a nifty video get your learn on: https://www.washingtonpost.com/video...-fact--opinion
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    I don't see it as feeding the troll as more like trying to teach an old dog a new trick.
    It can be done, but may take a while...


    Quote Originally Posted by crashXJ View Post
    You mean the southern Dixiecrats that all eventually started shifting to the GOP after the Civil Rights Act?

    Oh sh!t I forgot I said I wasn't gonna do this anymore.

    Cheers! Have fun storming the castle!

    Some additional reading: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/...re-coming-down

    And a nifty video get your learn on: https://www.washingtonpost.com/video...-fact--opinion
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    I appreciate the education. Now let me do a little educating myself.

    The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1866 (by the Republicans mostly). The Dixiecrat movement came about in 1948 (according to the all knowing Wikipedia). Both events came about after the Civil War. In the case of the Dixiecrats it was over 80 years later. I believe that it had as much to do with the socialist/communist direction of the Democrats during and after FDR as it was the Republicans all of a sudden deciding that they they didn't like blacks. In either case they came along after the people that the statues that are being torn down represent. I'm guessing that you posted this defending the tearing down of statues, right?

    Or were you talking about the Civil Right Act that Lyndon Johnson passed in the 1960's? That was 100 years after the Civil War. Wasn't that the one where Lyndon Johnson was "quoted" as saying "I'll have those _ _ _ _ _ _ _ voting Democratic for the next 200 years". Face it, the Democrats were the party of the white southerners of the late 1800's and early/mid 1900's.

    Finally, if your definition of a troll is somebody that makes a post that you can't logically rebut than I guess that I'm one.
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    The Civil Rights Act that was passed in 1866 but was vetoed by Republican POTUS Andrew Johnson? Same Andrew Johnson who really didn't want to fight the Civil War and instead wanted to capitulate to the south? That Andrew Johnson? Yeah screw that guy. History has not favored him kindly.

    As for the statues...gosh history is fun: https://www.history.com/news/how-the...rate-monuments

    And yes I do defend tearing down those racist filthy Jim Crow BS statues. Move them to Confederate cemeteries at best. When the Confederate presidents statue is commemorated at the same time as the Statue of Liberty the messaging is a pretty clear repudiation of the Emancipation Proclamation. As for the military bases I say leave that up to them. They teach the tactics of General Lee at war college so the history is still there. If the military wants to rename bases go for it and if not well so be it but city, county or state capitol/squares where the general citizenry walk by everyday? Yeah that sh!t can go. The KKK statue at the county school in Indiana where our football and basketball teams refused to play because the town was a bunch of known racist POS? Yeah tear it down. History is learned through books and celebrated through monuments and I see no logical reason to celebrate a losing racially motivated secessionist insurrection. If your argument is that the statues are public property and should be removed through legal means many have tried only to be thwarted by local politicians. Care to guess which party? The article I posted was simply to illustrate what history nerds like me have known all along. If you make the peaceful removal impossible people will take the alternative route and consequences be damned.

    As for the Dixiecrats it seems like we are on the same page. The Dems were the party of the white southerner UNTIL the CRA was passed with bipartisan support and signed into law by LBJ but some of the hard cores didn't like that and they switched party affiliation to the GOP. And IMO I thought LBJ was a total dick. That opinion was further cemented for me in the documentary The Fog of War with Robert McNamara.

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    Thank you for this info!!


    Quote Originally Posted by crashXJ View Post
    The Civil Rights Act that was passed in 1866 but was vetoed by Republican POTUS Andrew Johnson? Same Andrew Johnson who really didn't want to fight the Civil War and instead wanted to capitulate to the south? That Andrew Johnson? Yeah screw that guy. History has not favored him kindly.

    As for the statues...gosh history is fun: https://www.history.com/news/how-the...rate-monuments

    And yes I do defend tearing down those racist filthy Jim Crow BS statues. Move them to Confederate cemeteries at best. When the Confederate presidents statue is commemorated at the same time as the Statue of Liberty the messaging is a pretty clear repudiation of the Emancipation Proclamation. As for the military bases I say leave that up to them. They teach the tactics of General Lee at war college so the history is still there. If the military wants to rename bases go for it and if not well so be it but city, county or state capitol/squares where the general citizenry walk by everyday? Yeah that sh!t can go. The KKK statue at the county school in Indiana where our football and basketball teams refused to play because the town was a bunch of known racist POS? Yeah tear it down. History is learned through books and celebrated through monuments and I see no logical reason to celebrate a losing racially motivated secessionist insurrection. If your argument is that the statues are public property and should be removed through legal means many have tried only to be thwarted by local politicians. Care to guess which party? The article I posted was simply to illustrate what history nerds like me have known all along. If you make the peaceful removal impossible people will take the alternative route and consequences be damned.

    As for the Dixiecrats it seems like we are on the same page. The Dems were the party of the white southerner UNTIL the CRA was passed with bipartisan support and signed into law by LBJ but some of the hard cores didn't like that and they switched party affiliation to the GOP. And IMO I thought LBJ was a total dick. That opinion was further cemented for me in the documentary The Fog of War with Robert McNamara.

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