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    "money is the root of all evil" is not correct and a typical criticism of religion haters who try to insult and shame successful people. The correct teaching is: "The love of money is the root of all evil".
    Thank you! Found in 1 Timothy 6:10

    Let us not derail this thread relating to COVID-19 tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamFromCO View Post
    Actually, Constitutionally he really can't do a national SIP order. He can and did shut down air travel via the FAA but it was always up to the states as to what they want to do.
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    Exactly. Reminds me of of the governor when Katrina hit and he blamed Bush for not sending in the national guard. Ummm.....its the governors job to request it. They are all about states rights until they screw up, then they blame the feds. Not that I am big on defending the feds either.

    Don't overlook the fact that the fed gov can, and does, all kinds of things they are not empowered to do, and do so because no one says anything about it. Just because the rules say they can't, but the overwhelming belief is that it is necessary during a time of emergency, then it happens, and from that time on becomes an accepted governmental power. Our history is littered with examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 74BuckinBronc View Post
    Thank you! Found in 1 Timothy 6:10

    Let us not derail this thread relating to COVID-19 tho.
    It's all good. 10 whole people might have to skip a couple post to learn that nothing in the COVID-19 has changed. I appreciate your answers to my questions though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clod Hopper View Post
    Don't overlook the fact that the fed gov can, and does, all kinds of things they are not empowered to do, and do so because no one says anything about it. Just because the rules say they can't, but the overwhelming belief is that it is necessary during a time of emergency, then it happens, and from that time on becomes an accepted governmental power. Our history is littered with examples.
    Wouldn't this put one in the win column for Trump then? He does not seem to be reaching outside of his power in this circumstance

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    At the risk of sounding like I'm implying "all one has to do is say..." everyone has defects in their person including not being strong enough to just give everything away.

    But I know broke people can't donate much beyond their old broken down big screen tv (which is often to make room for their bigger big screen tv). There's value to having wealth to be better able to give. Where that line blurs though is not one I can honestly say I can see...or maybe too weak to want to see, because relative to the rest of the world, people like you and me would fall under the "greedy evil" category for saving back more than we need really to live a comfortable lifestyle. But then, living at whatever that limit of "enough" is would leave nothing left to pass on to others in times of their needs.

    Yet being broke doesn't relieve someone from the charge of greed either. Just because one is broke may be because they greedily spend it all on themselves, never attempting to save back enough to give to anyone else or to attempt to leave needed charitable resources to those more in need.

    That coin just keeps getting flipped but such is a struggle of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    Wouldn't this put one in the win column for Trump then? He does not seem to be reaching outside of his power in this circumstance
    Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he doesn't want to. I suspect many times the people around Trump save Trump from Trump.

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    For the purpose of creating conflict and confusion, some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the states, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect...It is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons. With that being said, the Administration and I are working closely with the Governors, and this will continue. A decision by me, in conjunction with the Governors and input from others, will be made shortly!
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

    I'll call it now...don't need a magic 8 ball...any and every mayor and governor that does not fall in line with Trump will be attacked mercilessly on social media and in the news by Trump and his supporters. That is when you will see if some people truly believe in states right or only believe in states rights when it serves their own purposes or beliefs.
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    At this point, I just want to catch the damned virus, and get back to normal life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashXJ View Post
    Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he doesn't want to. I suspect many times the people around Trump save Trump from Trump
    So if a great leader surrounds themselves with people who are better then themselves, wouldn't this be another check mark for Trump? He put people around him to keep his actions in check.

    I am not a voter of Trump, but criticizing him for something he "could" do is kinda silly. Especially when he has made a point thus far to make the states do their duty and he has only made recommendations.

    And hoping for him to screw up, is like hoping for your pilot or captain to fail.
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    Oh, man, I thought we were going to have another "religion" thread. Back to the barn...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    So if a great leader surrounds themselves with people who are better then themselves, wouldn't this be another check mark for Trump? He put people around him to keep his actions in check.

    I am not a voter of Trump, but criticizing him for something he "could" do is kinda silly. Especially when he has made a point thus far to make the states do their duty and he has only made recommendations
    I personally think he has done all he can to replace people around him who are willing to fall in line versus saving him from himself. He is not Lincoln with the team of rivals IMO. I will say I am more critical of what Trump says than what he does. If someone could get him away from Twitter I honestly think he would be held in much higher regard. Just my opinion. I realize I am in the minority here. I can unequivocally say for myself I would much rather have Bill Weld steering the ship than Donald Trump.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man With The Plan View Post
    At this point, I just want to catch the damned virus, and get back to normal life.
    I suspect normal life is a long way off even if all SIP orders were lifted tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashXJ View Post

    I suspect normal life is a long way off even if all SIP orders were lifted tomorrow.
    I am beginning to believe the days of 77,000 screaming fans at Mile High might be over for the foreseeable future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    I am beginning to believe the days of 77,000 screaming fans at Mile High might be over for the foreseeable future.
    I am right there with ya and I am bummed at that possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    I am beginning to believe the days of 77,000 screaming fans at Mile High might be over for the foreseeable future.
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    I am right there with ya and I am bummed at that possibility.
    I heard we'd be lucky if sports and concerts started being available in the fall of 2021.
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    Not sure we should be putting this guy on blast...he had a video on YT claiming inhaling hot air from a hair dryer would kill COVID19. YT has since pulled the video for violating ToS.

    Now if you know of anyone doing the #CoronaHairdryerCure2020 stunt please please please record it and share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newracer View Post
    I heard we'd be lucky if sports and concerts started being available in the fall of 2021.
    You mean to the public again? I am fairly sure, someone, say Dana White or the NBA, will figure out how to start cashing in on the missing sports money long before the fall of 2021. All it would take is for some rich Saudi Prince to say, come use my facilities and then broadcast it from there. Also heard that the NBA is trying to get a large Casino in Vegas to hold all the teams/personnel for a 2 week quarantine, plus a month or two shortened season. They would play multiple games per day and record some while broadcasting others live.

    Knowing the amount of money being lost in the sports world right now, I can see someone from within it being the first to try to get back to making some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    Wouldn't this put one in the win column for Trump then? He does not seem to be reaching outside of his power in this circumstance
    Sure. But, even now he is being lambasted for being a Nazi at the same time being lambasted for not enacting a nationwide SIP order. Doesn't matter if he follows the law or not, what he is doing will be wrong and he will be the devil-man for not getting it right. Remember, most of his political opponents truly believe in bigger and more powerful government at the solution to all things.

    All that aside, my point was rules only matter when people expect them to be followed. Laws are simply changed when either the people demand it or the leaders think they can get away with it. A law on the books that is not enforced isn't really a law.

    Quote Originally Posted by crashXJ View Post
    Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he doesn't want to. I suspect many times the people around Trump save Trump from Trump.
    Maybe, but I haven't seen anything to suggest Trump leans toward that. Well aside from the crazy unfounded protestations of his political opponents who just hate him on principle.


    Quote Originally Posted by crashXJ View Post
    I'll call it now...don't need a magic 8 ball...any and every mayor and governor that does not fall in line with Trump will be attacked mercilessly on social media and in the news by Trump and his supporters. That is when you will see if some people truly believe in states right or only believe in states rights when it serves their own purposes or beliefs.
    Meh. Trump is a twitterhound and uses it as a political tool. And why not? His opponents do the same thing. I don't see any reason he cannot set the record straight, defend himself, point out the inaccuracies of the other side, whatever he wants to call it. He is attacked daily by nearly every media outlet for being a Nazi or whatever, no reason he can't attack back. I think it is petty, but it is what Trump does, so whatever.

    States rights only matter when the state leaders are on the opposite side from the President. There is nothing significantly different now than was the case during Obama or even 9/11 that would cause a particular rise in the focus on states rights. Newsome and Cuomo are just riding their 15minutes hoping to turn it into something bigger. I don't believe the large majority of US citizens even understand the issue. They just want to go to work and take care of their families, and really don't see a difference between state governmental controls or federal governmental controls. Putting aside a few political wonks on each side, the states rights argument is mostly a scuffle between governmental authorities. I see no torches and pitchforks on the horizon with regard to that issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    You mean to the public again? I am fairly sure, someone, say Dana White or the NBA, will figure out how to start cashing in on the missing sports money long before the fall of 2021. All it would take is for some rich Saudi Prince to say, come use my facilities and then broadcast it from there. Also heard that the NBA is trying to get a large Casino in Vegas to hold all the teams/personnel for a 2 week quarantine, plus a month or two shortened season. They would play multiple games per day and record some while broadcasting others live.

    Knowing the amount of money being lost in the sports world right now, I can see someone from within it being the first to try to get back to making some.
    Yes, the ability to have a large gathering of people.

    I heard the same about NBA but also heard that many of the players have stated that if there are no fans there is no reason to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 74BuckinBronc View Post
    Thank you! Found in 1 Timothy 6:10

    Let us not derail this thread relating to COVID-19 tho.
    Agreed

    I had a few points and biblical references, but decided to holster them to keep the topic on track...

    That said, there's always room for a little jest ....


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    Sorry, I certainly didn't mean to derail this thread for religion. Just a pet peeve of mine to hear that bastardized quote.

    Glad to hear northeast governors are collecting to discuss opening their states/areas. R or D, I don't give be a poo, just get your economies working again!

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    I hope everyone on here is doing well and that goes for your families too.

    I'm not going to get into the politics or religious banter. This just isn't the time for it IMO. It's time for us all to pull together and get our country back on its feet. The partisan politics have done enough damage.

    Again, I hope you all are well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sound_Man View Post
    I hope everyone on here is doing well and that goes for your families too.

    I'm not going to get into the politics or religious banter. This just isn't the time for it IMO. It's time for us all to pull together and get our country back on its feet. The partisan politics have done enough damage.

    Again, I hope you all are well.
    Good to see you here and hope you and your family are doing good.

    All in all, i think this has been an amazingly peaceful thread even though some or a lot of us have strong opinions on things.

    Can you imagine if this had been going on back in the hay days of the board? It would have twisted off before the 10th post, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creepycrawler View Post
    Good to see you here and hope you and your family are doing good.

    All in all, i think this has been an amazingly peaceful thread even though some or a lot of us have strong opinions on things.

    Can you imagine if this had been going on back in the hay days of the board? It would have twisted off before the 10th post, lol.
    I'm here a lot, just don't post much. Clyda and Steve would have had a field day banning people but it would have been off the rails in the first 5 posts.

    All of my family is doing good. My pregnant daughter and her man are sick, probably with the kung flu and Tawnya and I are pretty sure we had it in February. My parents are in that group that if they get it and don't stay asymptomatic it would probably kill them. I'm done with the politics. This administration is doing a good job IMO and that's all I will say on it. I hate to see our government in-fight as much as it does. It's like a dysfunctional family that needs to get divorced but won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sound_Man View Post
    My pregnant daughter and her man are sick, probably with the kung flu and Tawnya and I are pretty sure we had it in February. My parents are in that group that if they get it and don't stay asymptomatic it would probably kill them.
    I am sorry to hear that! Will pray for mild symptoms and quick recoveries!!

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    Apparently the French study done of hydroxychloroquine and Z pack to fight C19 is now being peer reviewed and the methodology of testing was flawed. According to several scientific bodies the group of 20 or so tested had several participants drop out due to worsening conditions and those results were not included in the reports final publishing. The CEO of the Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research in New York called the study "a complete failure."

    A friend of mine...early 30s...has been sick with the Wuhan Virus now for almost four weeks and he is still no where near the end. He is getting better day to day but its by inches. Totally healthy...never smoked...exercised and ate right and it still took him down big time.

    Hope everyone stays safe and any loved ones who have it recover fully. This is some spooky shit y'all.

    ETA: Just talked to my buddy that has the Wuhan and he has finally turned the corner he thinks. So closer to the end then I stated above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashXJ View Post
    Apparently the French study done of hydroxychloroquine and Z pack to fight C19 is now being peer reviewed and the methodology of testing was flawed. According to several scientific bodies the group of 20 or so tested had several participants drop out due to worsening conditions and those results were not included in the reports final publishing. The CEO of the Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research in New York called the study "a complete failure."

    A friend of mine...early 30s...has been sick with the Wuhan Virus now for almost four weeks and he is still no where near the end. He is getting better day to day but its by inches. Totally healthy...never smoked...exercised and ate right and it still took him down big time.

    Hope everyone stays safe and any loved ones who have it recover fully. This is some spooky shit y'all.

    ETA: Just talked to my buddy that has the Wuhan and he has finally turned the corner he thinks. So closer to the end then I stated above.
    100% inconsistent with what I am getting from multiple confirmed positives including some that were hospitalized. The only person I know who is claiming these symptoms has been confirmed to be faking it but he doesn't know that I know that yet, and he is a little bitch. I know two people who were hospitalized, received the hydrochloroquine/zythromyacin treatment and walked out the next day, anecdotal but real and firsthand.
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    Anybody faking this is an asshole.

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    Faking or just overly paranoid? Either way isn't great, but one is almost forgivable

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    The guy that handles the accounting for our department had it a few weeks ago, tested positive. He is immunocompromised and he said it wasn't too bad for him. He said he has had worse bouts with the flue. He had a very bad headache for 6 days, a terrible cough and was very weak. He stayed in his parents basement while he recovered and so far they have not contracted it, they were also tested.

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    Eventually they may find what the commonality is that predicts who gets it really bad vs those who show mild to no symptoms. Is it blood type? Is it disposition to high blood sugar? is there really no commonality? ...

    But until then, I hope they find a few very effective treatments. More than anything, knowing it is treatable would go a very long way in calming people down so we can all get back to living again.

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    I am wondering if dental hygiene has improved globally since a lot of folks are now breathing in what they exhale?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 74BuckinBronc View Post
    I am wondering if dental hygiene has improved globally since a lot of folks are now breathing in what they exhale?
    ....and being stuck at home, maybe finding more creative ways of brushing their teeth out of boredom .....



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    Just goes to show we still don't really know shit. A friend of mine who works as a pharmacist is good friends with a couple on the east coast that caught it and their description was almost verbatim to that of my friend that caught the Wuhan on his way back from Louisiana.

    Short of a vaccine I suspect there is not going to be a one-size-fits-all treatment protocol for this virus.

    I will say the two nurses I know are still very much concerned this week as they were two or more weeks ago. Their advice to me was to continue social distancing and listen to my doctor. So I am sticking with that.

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    Multiple treatment approaches is a virtual certainty because we all have differing body chemistry that isn't suited to the same treatment. For some people Hydroxychloroquin is a miracle drug for this and for others the side affects are no better than covid (complications resulting in death). Such is every medication/treatment approach.

    While a vaccine ultimately might be the most affective approach I think the reliance on it before we can start living again is blown way out of perspective...and I certainly doubt a vaccine is going to come side effects free for some people.

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    There is no way we can wait for a vaccine to start getting back to normal. A vaccine is at best a year out.

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    I was and remain 100x more concerned about the erosion of Liberty with things like the Patriot Act than I am with a temporary SIP order.

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    the guy I was referring to is faking and lying about it. I was in direct extended close contact 2 hours before he supposedly tested positive (in the vault), nobody else got sick. The health dept never contacted us to let us know we should self isolate. His wife went to work across the street every day, she would have been asked to self isolate. None of the demographics of confirmed positive cases fit his profile. He has been gone 5 1/2 weeks now and claims he is still sick with a fever but was cleared last Tuesday by his doctor. His fake shortness of breath routine was worse than my 5 year old.

    Straight up lying to take advantage of the situation, on the plus side I get to fire him after he comes back. I dont relish the responsibility of firing people, but this one will be well deserved.

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    What benefit is there to faking this virus? Get off work longer?

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