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  1. #1761
    It was refreshing to hear in NM that they were broadcasting the truth that many of the people there getting sick with covid had been vaccinated.
    Bur they also broadcasted that wearing mask would help to keep the virus from changing into different variants... I'm sorry but man doesn't have that kind of power nor control.

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    virus gonna virus? At best we have a tiny rudder on a massive ship, only so much we can do to impact what happens.
    Proudly un-offended.

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    Are they also talking about survival rate of those vaxed vs those who aren't and spend MUCH longer in the hospital and those who die?
    Was at marksmanship last night... a family wasn't there for 4 weeks because they got COVID and said it was WAY rougher than they expected... Oh they aren't vaxed. She mentioned they WILL be getting vaxed ASAP.



    Quote Originally Posted by Chester70-2 View Post
    It was refreshing to hear in NM that they were broadcasting the truth that many of the people there getting sick with covid had been vaccinated.
    Bur they also broadcasted that wearing mask would help to keep the virus from changing into different variants... I'm sorry but man doesn't have that kind of power nor control.

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  4. #1764
    We should just give up then?
    I mean there is NOTHING we can do... is there?
    NOTHING??
    As Americans we just roll over and quit?





    Quote Originally Posted by Clod Hopper View Post
    virus gonna virus? At best we have a tiny rudder on a massive ship, only so much we can do to impact what happens.

  5. #1765
    They were only referring to the fact you can still get and transmit Covid even if you have been vaccinated.

    As far as the severity of covid based on where or not you are vaccinated. The reports aren't reflecting numbers actually. My friend heads a team of 16. They all got covid only 4 were vaccinated. All 4 vaccinated had a trip to the hospital and 3 ended in ICU. The other 12 recovered fine at home. But those stories aren't being reported.

    As far as giving up no. But covid is here to stay for the time being, so we need to learn how to live with it. That means to accept treatment methods that have been proven to work even if no one can make money from those methods. And it means to continue to find better safer methods for treatment and prevention. It means putting accurate information out there and not the belief that a mask is preventing variations.

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    U.S. Setting records... the kinds you don't want.

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  7. #1767
    Thank you.
    It has been known that if you are vaccinated you can still transmit, and it is not a 100% efficacy for a vaccine very few are like that.
    Soooo. vaccines work? That is a treatment? Since that is proven? Correct? We all hear about the 2 folks that horse paste worked for, but not all who doesn't....
    https://www.leacountytribune.com/202...mectin-deaths/
    Sooo masks don't work? That is news too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chester70-2 View Post
    They were only referring to the fact you can still get and transmit Covid even if you have been vaccinated.

    As far as the severity of covid based on where or not you are vaccinated. The reports aren't reflecting numbers actually. My friend heads a team of 16. They all got covid only 4 were vaccinated. All 4 vaccinated had a trip to the hospital and 3 ended in ICU. The other 12 recovered fine at home. But those stories aren't being reported.

    As far as giving up no. But covid is here to stay for the time being, so we need to learn how to live with it. That means to accept treatment methods that have been proven to work even if no one can make money from those methods. And it means to continue to find better safer methods for treatment and prevention. It means putting accurate information out there and not the belief that a mask is preventing variations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1BGDOG View Post
    Sooo masks don't work? That is news too.

    Not to anyone with common sense.
    From the only state in the USA where O'dumbass failed to carry a single county. :hail:

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    Don't trach on me!!
    #mybodymychoice

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1BGDOG View Post
    We should just give up then?
    I mean there is NOTHING we can do... is there?
    NOTHING??
    As Americans we just roll over and quit?
    Far from it! How about boost your body's ability to fight all viruses with better diet and natural supplements? I'd much rather be sick for a longer period of time than put some foreign substance in my body. Especially something being pushed so hard by a govt that I wouldn't trust to watch my pet rock!

  12. #1772
    Ummm COVID doesn't care about your zinc or Vitamin C....
    Ask this guy about it...
    https://www.9news.com/article/news/h...8-c4a2100d0666

    "Foreign substance" you obviously do not understand how a virus works or a vaccine works...
    Why is the .gov pushing it? Oh yeah... it works, it keeps this country RUNNING when folks
    are at work and not dying or sick. You do know that Trump WANTED this before the election so HE could tout it?
    You are aware that other countries have vaccines too? Maybe you can take one of those?

    It boggles my mind that time and again those who get very sick or die are unvaccinated and begging for the vaccine. Too little, too late..
    It just sucks that my friend has been in a hospital in Texas for the last 3 weeks because she caught COVID and is anti-vax. Now she is in a coma and on a respirator... for what gain?!?!




    Quote Originally Posted by 74BuckinBronc View Post
    Far from it! How about boost your body's ability to fight all viruses with better diet and natural supplements? I'd much rather be sick for a longer period of time than put some foreign substance in my body. Especially something being pushed so hard by a govt that I wouldn't trust to watch my pet rock!

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    https://archive.md/FTFsD

    In the UK, more than 70% of the people who die now from COVID are fully vaccinated.
    Some stretching of the statistical analysis, but the data is from the UK gov. The politifact determination of false revolves around the numbers are specific to England and the statement says UK and overall deaths are higher with unvaxxed, which sounds more like an excuse to claim false than a substantial issue with the data.

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    https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/fda...ge-to-grant-it

    FDA Asks Federal Judge to Grant it Until the Year 2076 to Fully Release Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine Data

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    Now share the REAL numbers....
    Not that hard.


    The same chart showing those death figures (see Table 4), shows the rates of death are higher among the unvaccinated than for the vaccinated. The death rate is calculated by comparing the number of deaths for vaccinated or unvaccinated people with the total population of each group.


    The death rates for the unvaccinated are three to five times higher than the rates for the vaccinated among the 60-and-over age groups.

    So you can play your little "data game" but the facts are still the unvax are DYING at a much higher rate than the old folks (who are in the high risk group!!!) who are vaxed...

    In the full three-hour podcast, Berenson acknowledges that the death rates indicate the vaccines provide protection, saying “what they’re showing you there is that even though the vast majority of people who died, were vaccinated, the vaccine still appears to have some protective effect.”

    https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/sc...he-vaccinated/



    Quote Originally Posted by Clod Hopper View Post
    https://archive.md/FTFsD



    Some stretching of the statistical analysis, but the data is from the UK gov. The politifact determination of false revolves around the numbers are specific to England and the statement says UK and overall deaths are higher with unvaxxed, which sounds more like an excuse to claim false than a substantial issue with the data.

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    Directly from your fact check site:


    The 70% figure is correct.


    You have done the dillhole dance around here disparaging any other option for treatment, while extolling the perfect virtues of the vax being the one and only option for covid. All the others around here have pointed out is that the vax, while providing some benefit, is not foolproof and has risks. Kids with myocarditis is just one aspect. I have NEVER said the vax is .gov poison or wrong, but rather it is up to the individual's choice to risk life without. And since the vax doesnt prevent you from catching and spreading, getting it for the sake of society is bunk.

    You regularly assume the intentions of other and are quite often, if not mostly, wrong. In this instance alone, you assumed my point was to prove the vax is ineffective, but not so at all. In reality, I thought it was an interesting set of data from a highly vaxxed group that no longer has a sizeable number of non-vaxxed for comparison of vax effectiveness.

    You do you and consider letting others do the same.

  17. #1777
    BUT YOU ARE WRONG.
    Also from my site that you choose to ignore.

    Why It’s Easy to Misinterpret Numbers of Deaths Among the Vaccinated
    This is what you are doing, misinforming.

    Here this may help you, you fall for lies.

    Raw numbers of hospitalizations or deaths among those who are vaccinated are not a good indicator of whether vaccines are effective. If the large majority of a population is vaccinated, it’s not surprising if most deaths are among the vaccinated. But social media posts misuse data from the U.K. to suggest the COVID-19 vaccines don’t work.


    In the full three-hour podcast, Berenson acknowledges that the death rates indicate the vaccines provide protection, saying “what they’re showing you there is that even though the vast majority of people who died, were vaccinated, the vaccine still appears to have some protective effect.”

    The same chart showing those death figures (see Table 4), shows the rates of death are higher among the unvaccinated than for the vaccinated. The death rate is calculated by comparing the number of deaths for vaccinated or unvaccinated people with the total population of each group.



    Simple as that you even state it in your first post.
    STOP spreading the false narrative regards to this.
    Stop disparaging the truth. Stop disparaging vaccines as ineffective, when horse paste doesn't work. HQ doesn't work. Heart problems in kids? This is a false canard...
    LEARN

    Millions of doses of COVID-19 vaccine have been given, and there have only been 1,000 cases of heart inflammation. Doing the math, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) notes that for every million doses given, there have been 67 cases of heart inflammation in boys 12 to 17 (nine in girls of that age group), 56 in those aged 18 to 24 (six in girls), and 20 in males 25 to 29 (three in girls). That means the risk is quite low.


    https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...s-202107012523


    What you suggest is let people die and TAX the rest of society. That seems very socialist. But you do you... be a strain on society. Be part of the problem, and never part of the solution...
    If you don't want a vaccine, wear a mask. So you don't get sick. Don't say "muh freedoms" and not understand that in life there are simple rules.
    In this situation, we are fighting an enemy... and you are fighting right next to that enemy against folks who want to defeat the enemy...

    It really is that simple. You choose to let COVID win and say "virus will virus" and quit.
    I have seen too many friends and friend's friends die because they thought they could beat the virus... and end up in the ICU and often pass.... leaving behind loved ones.
    You do you, but don't be triggered when someone pushes back with FACTS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clod Hopper View Post
    Directly from your fact check site:






    You have done the dillhole dance around here disparaging any other option for treatment, while extolling the perfect virtues of the vax being the one and only option for covid. All the others around here have pointed out is that the vax, while providing some benefit, is not foolproof and has risks. Kids with myocarditis is just one aspect. I have NEVER said the vax is .gov poison or wrong, but rather it is up to the individual's choice to risk life without. And since the vax doesnt prevent you from catching and spreading, getting it for the sake of society is bunk.

    You regularly assume the intentions of other and are quite often, if not mostly, wrong. In this instance alone, you assumed my point was to prove the vax is ineffective, but not so at all. In reality, I thought it was an interesting set of data from a highly vaxxed group that no longer has a sizeable number of non-vaxxed for comparison of vax effectiveness.

    You do you and consider letting others do the same.

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    But YOU are wrong.

    I have not tried to instruct anyone on how to interpret data or try to modify thought. YOU are.

  19. #1779
    But you do not understand this article at all.
    Simple as that.
    You do believe lies though and that is SAD

    I will give you an analogy.
    Everyone who breathes in oxygen dies. EVERYONE.
    It's true!!!
    So guess what? Oxygen kills you!!!

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    You have absolutely no idea what I do and do not understand. Pretty self centered and arrogant of you to believe you do.

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    https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/mo...-vaccine-works



    Novavax has created a fourth COVID-19 vaccine using moth cells and tree bark. Instead of an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer, Moderna) or a viral vector vaccine (Johnson & Johnson), Novavax is a subunit protein vaccine.

  22. #1782
    I actually DO understand you easily... cause I see what you post and that shows me what you do and don't understand...
    Not at all arrogant or self centered, it's called being aware... LOL
    But you do you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clod Hopper View Post
    You have absolutely no idea what I do and do not understand. Pretty self centered and arrogant of you to believe you do.

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    So you will take this one?



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    From irate? Maybe stay over there in your safe space.
    Log out here and get your groupthink over there.
    Also if you are "responsible" for what you say, hold yourself to that standard and not spread lies and flasehoods that you believe.... there is no interpretations on that
    #thoughtsandprayers
    Clod going to clod...



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    I am at a loss... finally.
    Have a good one.
    Stay safe.
    I am out of the country for the next week...
    doing cool stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clod Hopper View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1BGDOG View Post
    If you don't want a vaccine, wear a mask. So you don't get sick.

    Wait, what?

    I thought the latest and greatest narrative was the guilt trip that masks don't protect you, they protect others. You funny mask people have got to get your story straight. The problem is that you have lied so many times about it that you can't remember which lie you told last.


    Sad...

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    It's all about money


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    Oh noes!!! Now there is the r2d2c3po variant. Do we need more shots? Please give us more shots!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clod Hopper View Post
    This cant be correct because of doggie.

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    But, but, but..... When President Trump tried to do the same, he was called a racist. How can this be?



    From Fox News - Omicron variant spread: US to limit travel from 8 southern Africa countries
    Omicron variant spread: US to limit travel from 8 southern Africa countries

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/omicron-v...africa-nations

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    Oh look...


    From Fox News - Flashback: Biden suggested Trump's coronavirus travel ban was 'xenophobic'
    Flashback: Biden suggested Trump's coronavirus travel ban was 'xenophobic'

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fla...ban-xenophobic

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    Imagine a state refusing to comply with any of vegetable bidens mandates and still having the lowest covid numbers per capita of anywhere.

    Weird...

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    Rules are for thee, not for me.

    From Fox News - Biden spotted in Nantucket shopping indoors without a mask despite sign mandating them
    Biden spotted in Nantucket shopping indoors without a mask despite sign mandating them

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...mandating-them

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