Barking Dog settled?

[Snotty]

VB! I just read that the Barking Dog issue was settled in court and that the Boulder County courts sided with Boslough? WTF??? Is this true?

[Eric]

Where did you read this?

[Snotty]

Here ya go!

http://www.darkendeavors.com/forum/thread-view.asp?threadid=41&MessageID=130#130

As predicted, it looks like it's pretty much all over. Apparently, and despite assurances from the jeepers' side of all the hatred by other landowners against Boslough, the lawsuit has been settled or is about to be. (the settlement negotiation has been going on for a while, and his supposed comrads in arms never told him, which speaks volumes....)

[ August 28, 2003, 04:05 PM: Message edited by: Snotty ]

[Pioneer]

That article sucks big piles of $hit! All it says is we are a bunch of land ruining carless fawks who don't give a rats ass about the enviroment!!! Who wrote that?

[UPnover.]

Looks like a guy posting BullSh!t graemlins/puke.gif on a BullSH!t graemlins/puke.gif forum and is only saying what he has heard second hand. NOT fact. We will just have to see.

Oh and “dark cloud” graemlins/flipoff.gif have a nice day.

[Snotty]

Where have you been? The Boulder Lout has been a long time protagonist on this issue. At one point, he did offer up some objective comments but that didn't last very long. I think mostly because he would have to read and research an issue with an objective open mind, but instead prefers to hear himself talk or write in this case. Something tells me that you couldn't get him to shut up long enough in an actual conversation to even try and make your point.

Anyway, I am curious to hear about how things are going and this doesn't sound good.

VB, can we get your take on this? Maybe someone from COHVCO and MHJC as well?

Thanks!

Oh yeah, do a google search on the Barking Dog issue and you can see good ole Mark has been very busy. Much of the info is regurgitated crap and wrong, but the fact that it's out there is worrisome.

On a side note, the Dark Endeavor's writer has been in contact with the Bosloughs over the corse of this issue. I am sure he/they have gotten some first hand information from the Boslough's. Thus my request for an update from VB.

[Eric]

Ahhh, the old DE site :rolleyes: I believe nothing on there. Skimmed thru the article in question and I see only biased conjecture and assumptions. I too look forward to Vernon's comments. I suspect this article was simply an effort to "get a rise" out of us. This issue has definitely been quiet lately. That will be the last time I visit DE.

[vb]

concidering that i am not involved in any court preceedings id say the intire rant is fictisious (sp) i think what they are refering to is the case of ramey and boslough. we have known for some time that mr ramey was finished. what did it was that after my depo boslough was way scared to end up in court so his lawyer through a bunch of motions at the court and all were dismissed but one. that one said that mr ramey had to join all the other land oners up there. that means that mr ramey would have had to go back to square one and spend ten timesish to get back to the same place he was previous to the decision. what it means is that there is no justice and that the money has won. i have no clue what the judge said . once again the is nothing of real value to what richard mccloud has to say. ill be looking into it.
all it means is tha ramey and boslough have settled. has nothing to do with a decission of the road being public or not. at least i dont believe so

[vb]

btw mr boslough has been black mailing mr ramey for the last several years over acces to another common boarder. the thing to remember is that mr ramey is and owner up there, hes a senior citizen and it was his personal money, we have a;ways had an understanding and still do.
also i dont believe a judge made any decission . i believe tha an agreement was made and intered into court records.
richard mccloud and mark boslough are both unable to tell anything close to the truth. reprobate comes to mind.

[Cust0mNe0n]

Off topic here but, VB what road is it you are fighting to keep open? I'm in btw, what do I have to do?

[vb]

i have been trying since 99 to keep this from hapnin. i have been working on barking dog. ill haveta check the court records to see what the actual ruleing is . but it should not have any effect on the public since it did not involve the public . if the judge did go that far he would be way wrong but. hey its boulder county.
bosloughs lawyer was real bent on finding out if i had the funds to go the distance. he knows he unchallanged and ---- well this is what we have.
there is a core group of guys and families from this board that donate some each month. there are others that do what they can . we have all the amo. just no way to get to the war.none of the money has be waisted.
if the folks interested in this would call the county and the state and the feds it would help.
boslough has been very busy the last several months. none of his post or articles have ever dealt with any facts and most are still lies. and yet when folks read stuff they take it at face value. he has waged a serious pr campiagn and stayed away from a real trail where evidence is descussed. gotta give the guy credit for be slimy

[ August 28, 2003, 09:30 PM: Message edited by: vb ]

[Murfman]

As predicted, it looks like it's pretty much all over. Apparently, and despite assurances from the jeepers' side of all the hatred by other landowners against Boslough, the lawsuit has been settled or is about to be. Mr. Vernon Brandt's contentions about his great witnesses and authorities have borne no fruit, and despite his random castigations about people he feels don't understand the issues, it is now fairly certain that the deepest pool of ignorance was his own. That, or a vast left wing conspiracy starting nearly a century ago to bring all this about.

Common sense and property rights have combined to draw attention to RS2477, a 19th century law which jeepers have chosen to ride to success with perpetual free trails for their fun, or to legal ruin. It now looks ruin, at least with Barking Dog.

The Denver Post just came out against a Moffat County absurdity that would have left Indian Reservations as well as federal lands a mud pit for off road travel under the guise there are public 'highways' running through them because the public may or may not have crossed them once.

This pretty much sucks dry the basis for Mr. Brandt's contentions, although he didn't even meet the rather broad qualifications for such a case. His theory was that Barking Dog road was always the same as Highway 81, but his maps did not even show the road in the correct quadrant. Other roads that may have met some conditions were conflated with some roads that met others and presented as if they were coherent. They weren't, and neither was his supposed case.

Further, since the rulings by Boulder County are that the physical road in question was NEVER a public road, Mr. Brandt may, at some point, have to explain why he removed rocks blocking it while on private land. The Jeepers put a photo essay of this historic event on the web, and have changed their commentary about it as truth dawned.

The question is, why was he still raising money for the legal fight, when the fight was not his (the settlement negotiation has been going on for a while, and his supposed comrads in arms never told him, which speaks volumes....) or winnable? He keeps accusing Boslough of being a liar, but that may come back to haunt him as well, given that the facts as they stand are in clear distinction from what he was saying before that he knew and he could prove. He apparently didn't convince his own legal team. His contentions were full of secret friends in high places, and they're still secret if they existed.

Check out the Colorado 4x4 site under both General Chit Chat and Land Use Issues to get Mr. Brandt's views directly. His posts are distinguished by the butt shots, which are odd to say no more and recall that George Michael video of some years back. Anyway, easy to find.

what a fawkin pogue graemlins/flipoff.gif makes u just want to graemlins/bounce3.gif him. what else can we do vb? who do we write to? who do we call?

[Murfman]

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103668

http://mhjc.net/forum/index.php

the mhjc link doesnt work but were they notified? what about p4x4

[vb]

mile high jeep club as a whole does not care about this issue. except that they have decided to pay for a lawyer to make boslough stop talking about them. there are some in the club that have helped and do care . but as a whole i would not expect to see them stand up
i just talked to a "source" and there is NO settlement. and this may still end up in court for ramey and boslough. again mr ramey is just one 80plus year old kid takein this thing own. he is doing it for his reasons. if we want to have someone here our side we need to get after it.
again boslough/mccloud are spreading a lie -- there has been NO AGREEMENT.
IF ANY JUDGE HAS MADE A DECISSION IT IS NEWS TO THOSE INVOLVED
!!!!!!!
lets see the name of the judge and the case number. what a couple of clowns. and folks read their crap and believe it!!!!!
i would say write to the d e site/richard mccloud
call
the boulder county lawyer
call the governors office and call clint talbott at the daily camera
call the rocky mtn news ( i here that sometime since the 7th there has been something else in there)
for all those that would like to help remove the obstructions and run the road please send me a personal email
jeepinwithvb@wwdb.org
include your phone number

call your reps
call the boulder rangers

[vb]

the big thing is money. i mean like 300plus thousand and like yesterday
if you know folks with means call them!!!!!!! blue ribbion has saaid that they might cough up some . the state association has sad that they would. mhjc ---who knows?? but there has got to be some folks out there that i have not met that would be more than willing and have just not been asked. anyone know alan jackson well enough to call him???? hank jr? charlie daniels?? ted nuggent?

[ August 29, 2003, 08:07 PM: Message edited by: vb ]

[Pioneer]

I know Jack Daniels really well! :D