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Aaron
June 28th, 2007, 06:25 PM
Ok, I figured this fit best in the Pro Area, If not, please move?

So PRO?S: School me in everything there is to know about Brown?s gas. Yes, I know what Google is and even how to use it. I have spent the past couple weeks researching this process. Only problem, the different articles I have read are positive towards this process. They list no real negatives. And when they are, most negative comments are ripped apart like nothing by someone that ?sounds? like they know what they are talking about. Hence my questions? Anyone out there actually use this process before? Anyone built their own setup? Looks like a fairly inexpensive way to cut metal (even VERY thick 2-3?+) cleanly, weld, braze, solder, and even power your vehicle, with water being the only bi-product.

Here are some links to info:

http://www.eagle-research.com/browngas/whatisbg/whatis.html (http://www.eagle-research.com/browngas/whatisbg/whatis.html)

http://www.sra-solder.com/ww.htm?gclid=CObi_7L3_4wCFRUHWAodJWG6gg (http://www.sra-solder.com/ww.htm?gclid=CObi_7L3_4wCFRUHWAodJWG6gg)

http://www.phact.org/e/bgas.htm (http://www.phact.org/e/bgas.htm)

http://www.brownsgas.com/brownsgashome.html (http://www.brownsgas.com/brownsgashome.html)

So, anyone out there have experience with any of this???

never wheeled
June 29th, 2007, 12:01 PM
Gettting brainy are we??
There is no net equation posted in the first explination and I'm too lazy to read the others. The Net equation I'm referring to is 340 liters per kilowatt HOUR. A kilowatt HOUR is a lot of energy and no-where in the essay does he explain or give a conversion for liters of monatomic hydrogen and oxygen as potential energy released versus potential energy expended in order to effect the release of the gas.

This would lead one to belive that the net energy is at a loss therefore the reason we don't power the earth that way to begin with.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed. If you have to use energy to release energy you will alwasy have a net loss to the process, and NEVER at net gain. Thats called a perpetual motion machine, doesn't exist. These things can be achived on the edge of Quantum physics but there stll is a scoure for that energy( nuclear fusion). But thats as close as it gets and no-one hasactually done it yet so its just a theory.

Any one who invents or theorizes and realizes a process that nets greater energy than is input or expended in the process of creating it will be in INSTANT GOD STATUS. It will not be hidded from the public to save the fortunes of the oil giants because they will own it. Our military would instantly become invinciable, space travel would be comon place dogs and cats would live together on harmony. In short it would change our lives so drasticly and instantaneously that it is indescribeable.:beer:

Aaron
July 2nd, 2007, 03:15 PM
You thought I went nerdy....

I really didn't want to get into the Quantum physics side. But I said school me and ya tried. So thanks. I mostly wanted to know what you all thought about using this process in the manufacturing field. I understand that it does not create it's own energy, and I agree if someone would come up with a way, it would be, well, indescribeable.

Using this process it cut or weld, seems like it could save money in the long run since you are "creating" your own gases, only costing cents on the dollar. And the natural bi-product of this reaction is just water. Hence saving money, and maybe getting a little safer at the same time.

Has anyone out there ever played with this? I found a setup I can put together with stuff from my local hardware store, for VERY cheap. I am just trying to figure out if it will be worth my time.....

never wheeled
July 3rd, 2007, 03:14 PM
I made it too complicated.:eek:

It takes more electricity(energy) to produce the gas then change it to plasma than it does to just turn electricity to plasma. :tisk:

You have to add electricity to the equation to produce gas to make plasma so why add a step when you can just use electricity to make plasma?:D

Get it?? :flipoff2:

where's your junk ?? come out here to the west slope and break it I need someone to wheel with:beer:

never wheeled
July 3rd, 2007, 03:23 PM
You will have the coolest welding set up around:hail:

It may be cheaper than buying gas from air gas due to the realatively low cost of electricity:D

you may blow yourself up:flipoff2:

I say go for it at the very least somthing fun can be done with pure Hydrogen the most powerfull oxidizer on earth, and oxygen its favorite meal:eek:

jimfoo
August 9th, 2007, 02:51 PM
Reading the only one of the sites that really matters, I'd have to say save your money. Buy a welder, buy a plasma cutter. There is a lot of bs going on there. Don't forget the old adage: "If it sounds too good to be true...". If it was so great, there wouldn't be any other type of device around.

Aaron
August 10th, 2007, 02:35 PM
Reading the only one of the sites that really matters, I'd have to say save your money. Buy a welder, buy a plasma cutter. There is a lot of bs going on there. Don't forget the old adage: "If it sounds too good to be true...". If it was so great, there wouldn't be any other type of device around.

You mean besides my Miller 251 and my esab 650??? I understand that the old saying.... But for cuts up to 3" thick clean, I have nothing, hence the questions. So do you have experience with this process? Or are you making this comment based on things you read?

I have also been looking into the Oxy-petrolium process. Looks cool too...

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to be a jerk, just trying to find someone with real world experience with this process, NOT someone who can give me their opinion that is based on reading something based on someone else's experiences.

melow4
September 5th, 2007, 02:04 PM
I say build it, but I wanna be there to watch you blow your ass up since im the one that told you about this idea in the first place. I should get front row tickets!