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Clint
June 23rd, 2007, 05:10 PM
NASCAR.COM
June 22, 2007
04:23 PM EDT

SONOMA, Calif. -- Nextel Cup points leader Jeff Gordon and reigning series champion Jimmie Johnson were banned from on-track activities Friday, and their status for Sunday's event at Infineon Raceway was in jeopardy after NASCAR discovered illegal front-end modifcations in initial inspection.

The cars of neither Gordon, the defending race champion, nor Johnson will be allowed to practice or qualify Friday.


NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said both cars "failed the initial inspection ... as a result of body modifications found to be outside NASCAR tolerances. The front fender [of both cars] was modified outside of NASCAR regulations. They did not meet the C2 template inspection."

"When we presented the cars for inspection today [NASCAR] found our fenders were outside their limits in between the templates," said Doug Duchardt, Hendrick Motorsports' vice president of development. "The cars fit the templates. We thought we could work on the points between the templates and it became clear to us [in inspection] that we could not."

According to Poston, Hendrick Motorsports' No. 5 and No. 25 cars, for Kyle Busch and Casey Mears, passed inspections.

Poston added, "both teams have an opportunity to repair and resubmit their cars" for inspection up to the start of practice Saturday. "Assuming they pass inspection, they can practice [Saturday] and start at the rear of the field [Sunday]," he said.

Gordon, as expected, alluded to the birth Wednesday of his daughter Ella as having more of his attention than the setback, when asked his outlook on a track where "no one has ever won from the back."

"Nothing's going to ruin my day or my weekend -- I'm on cloud nine," Gordon said.

"This is devastating news ... and this definitely puts us in box. We'll just have to work our way out of it. I'm looking forward to getting out there [Saturday]. I think pit strategy [on Sunday] will be very important for us."

"It's important to know this is a Car of Tomorrow penalty," Poston said of the short-term severity of the sanction. "The inspection process and NASCAR's response to Car of Tomorrow violations are going to be more severe.

"We're going to keep this car in check. It's important to know all cars in the field are starting out equal and have the ability to win the race."

Poston said both teams' crew chiefs, Steve Letarte on the No. 24 and Chad Knaus on the No. 48, would be allowed to supervise the repairs, and at this point, NASCAR had no plans to immediately confiscate the cars. (Continued)

My understanding is the 48 has been through inspection and is waiting at the garage for my direction," Knaus said. "I think the 24 is close behind them, although it's my understanding we won't get inspection stickers until [Saturday]."
Said driver Kyle Petty, who will be mic'd for TNT during Sunday's race: "You have a rule book, and we have rules. NASCAR has been adamant about the COT. For 24 months they've been adamant about the COT, "Don't mess with us on this.'


"I think we've already seen it when a mistake was made by the 8 car. We saw how drastic they approached a mistake, so anytime you get into something they deem intentional it's gonna be big. With what's gone on [Friday], they deemed it to be intentional, so it's gonna be a little harsher."

In May, NASCAR levied severe penalties to the No. 8 team of Dale Earnhardt Inc. for violations found during pre-race inspection before the Darlington race.

The team was found to have violated Sections 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing), 12-4-Q (car, car parts, components and/or equipment used do not conform to NASCAR rules), and 20-3.1.3B (the NASCAR-approved upper and lower rear wing mounting brackets must not be modified to obtain a rear-wing angle of less than zero degrees or more than 16 degrees) of the NASCAR rule book.

Crew chief Tony Eury Jr. was fined $100,000, suspended for six weeks and placed on probation until Dec. 31. Driver Dale Earnhardt Jr. was penalized 100 driver points and car owner Teresa Earnhardt was penalized 100 points.

"If NASCAR's intentions are to create an equal playing field for everybody with the COT and you step out of line like this you need to get your hands smacked, I guess," driver Kurt Busch said. "DEI did it with their rear spoiler, and now you've got two Hendrick cars that are out of code. They really want this to be a controlled environment with the COT. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

"You lose a little bit of practice time, but it's only an hour and a half [on Friday]. It's not much. It's going to suck with those two cars [Gordon and Johnson] starting in the back because guys up front aren't going to get any TV time." Kurt Busch

Sonoma is the first road-course race for the Car of Tomorrow. It's seven previous races were run on oval tracks.

The decision on further penalties against the Hendrick cars would be made next week, Poston said.

scottycards
June 24th, 2007, 08:26 AM
Doesn't surprise me, either. They are pushing the limits on the new cars, looking for an advantage.
"The Claw" template on the COT is insane! I am surprised that there haven't been any infractions yet, and these two guys run identical cars every weekend, so it would follow that if one fails, so would the other.
NASCAR violations are a part of the game. If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying, as they say.
Gordon is sitting on a 264 point lead, so he's got some room to try to "innovate". And with his MAD ROAD COURSE SKILLZ, he'll be in the top 10 again today, assuming no incidents.

Steve
June 24th, 2007, 08:09 PM
Gordon is sitting on a 264 point lead, so he's got some room to try to "innovate". And with his MAD ROAD COURSE SKILLZ, he'll be in the top 10 again today, assuming no incidents.

7th place finish from the back of the field on a road course. :pbj:

scottycards
June 25th, 2007, 09:16 AM
Top 10, as expected, and came out of the day with a bigger lead in the points than when he went in.
Look for a some points to be added to the infraction to even up the standings, and make the next 10 races till the chase a little more interesting, as NASCAR likes to do........

Unreal how Montoya made that car last- man, was he deep in the braking in the turns- almost lost it a couple of times- I think he was carrying the speed into the turns to save gas.....and it worked. Good for him, although I'm not a fan at all.

NASCARs on a road course are cool.

Steve
June 25th, 2007, 09:22 AM
NASCARs on a road course are cool.

I wish they'd run more of them.

We'll see what penalty the Hendricks team is assessed tomorrow, but here's something I don't understand. They were caught doing something that's not even mentioned in the rule book; NASCAR says "it's in the gray area." First, WTF does that mean? When Jr.'s car was caught with illegal (as in completely in violation of a written rule) parts, he was allowed to practice and qualify, but Gordon and Johnson weren't and they didn't violate any written rule. I just don't understand how NASCAR works sometimes. :shrug:

scottycards
June 25th, 2007, 10:04 AM
I just don't understand how NASCAR works sometimes.

Same here. But what I've found from my limited racing experience is that I don't understand how ANY sanctioning body works. From my Open Road Guys that make rules exceptions, to Porsche Club of America, where politics reigns supreme, to SCCA (good lord- look at the rules for Speed World Challenge- they arbitrarily add lead weights to the first place guy each week), to F1.

From the outside, one would think that racing is racing, and the rule book is the rule book. Once you get in and do it a little, it's amazing how negotiable and vague not only the rules turn out to be, but enforcement of the rules as well.

Racing is a tough game. Sanctioning bodies are always struggling between rules and making it more exciting for the fans. So they end up "giving the nod" to certain racers and situations under the pretext (unspoken, of course) of "delivering a better product".

Expect to see that in the Hendrick verdict tomorrow. They'll tighten up the points standing, and put JJ and JG in a spot where they know they have dominant racers that can come back from a little setback. It makes for better racing drama- whether it's fair or not.

I never knew this was the case in racing. But once you move up the ladder and become "one of the top guys/teams out there", you have to learn the political side of it, and understand that the rules are very much subject to interpertation at any time, by just about anyone within the body of the sanctioning organization. Sometimes it goes your way, sometimes not. :shrug:

Steve
June 25th, 2007, 10:11 AM
I've built a lot of street rods, muscle cars, etc., but never been too involved in racing. I guess I assumed that if something didn't violate any rule it was okay. Apparently not, which is pretty weird. :shrug:

scottycards
June 25th, 2007, 10:58 AM
I once drove my AC Cobra 1300 miles on a trailer to a race, only to fail tech due to "excessive tire wear".

Now, the circumstances: Me and the tire tech guy never got along- this dated back to previous events, so there was a bit of bad blood there.

I was running the 125 avg class, with a tech speed of 140- I was not allowed to go any faster than 140.

My tires had miles on them, but it was a super marginal call. The tires were Michelin MXX3's. At the time (2000), they were the only production tire in the world that was speed rated at 218MPH- that is to say- they were approved to run 218 for like 15 minutes continuously :eek: :eek: :eek: - this at the full load rating capacity, which was something like 7000lb vehicle.

Uh, my measly 125 run, for 30 minutes, would never stress that tire (particularly on a 2300lb car) to the point of generating any heat, much less any stress.

So I said "screw it". My dad drove the empty trailer home, and I ran the Cobra at about 110 all the way back home on the interstate. :shrug: It cost me a $500 entry fee, which was not refunded.......:rant:

Racing and politics............I've since mellowed out, and have had the "nod" go the other way for me several times. Old and mellow- that's me.:P

Steve
June 25th, 2007, 11:02 AM
I once drove my AC Cobra...

You suck. :flipoff2: Still own it? I have several cars I'd love to have back, but nothing like a real AC Cobra. :hail:

scottycards
June 25th, 2007, 11:17 AM
Wasn't the real deal- I didn't have the spare 400K lying around for the real thing.

It was a Superformance. Damn fine replica, tho. All Smith's gauges, correct shifter- unless you were a real pro (or pushed your thumb on a fender), you would be hard pressed to tell it was a kit. Real knockoffs, quick jacks, Monza style fuel filler, etc......

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u47/scottycards/SPCobra1.jpg

Steve
June 25th, 2007, 11:24 AM
We had a job in Hamilton, OH a few years ago; I spent a lot of time out there. Had to drive through Ross, OH to get to the project site. One of Superformance's dealers is in Ross, OH. It obviously caught my eye so I stopped in to look; they do make some of the better replicars I've seen.

scottycards
June 25th, 2007, 11:25 AM
I would have been disappointed if you had driven by a Superformance dealership.

Actually, I would have been shocked. Right on, man.:thumbsup:

starbreaker666
June 26th, 2007, 12:25 AM
How much longer is it going to be until they just issue IROC cars at the start of the weekend. Hell Jeff and Jimmi never had to qualify their cars this weekend. WTF is up with that? They had excessive fenders? Who's to say whats excessive or not? I love NASCAR and it the best sport in the world, bu t I sure miss these days

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo4y7MJfeIs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXbHQtZH8dE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AibV8_0USBA

starbreaker666
June 26th, 2007, 11:54 PM
100 points 100k and crew chiefs suspended each 6 races? So where was this STEEP penalty? Gordon still in 1st and did not even have to qualify.

Steve
June 27th, 2007, 09:13 AM
100 points 100k and crew chiefs suspended each 6 races? So where was this STEEP penalty? Gordon still in 1st and did not even have to qualify.

NASCAR's "rules" enforcement is turning into a joke. They cited the exact same rules as being broken as they did for Jr's wing problem. Jr. got to practice and qualify; Gordon and Johnson didn't. The other parts of the penalties are pretty much the same.

Starbreaker, you know if they'd "made" Gordon qualify last weekend he would have started better than 42nd. :poke:

Oscar
June 27th, 2007, 10:46 AM
I just wonder why all the team owners haven't raised the BS flag. If they got together a told Helton where to get off it might get his attention.

Steve
June 27th, 2007, 10:56 AM
I just wonder why all the team owners haven't raised the BS flag. If they got together a told Helton where to get off it might get his attention.

That won't happen in a million years. NASCAR is a gravy train for the team owners and there's no way they're gonna rock that boat. A "motorsports lawyer" (there's a cool job) on Speed channel a couple of nights ago said that each team that races in NASCAR has to sign a contract that pretty much waives all of their rights and allows NASCAR to do whatever they want. They all sign those agreements in exchange for the big bucks.

As starbreaker alluded to earlier it seems as though NASCAR is heading towards IROC racing with the COT. When that happens I'll tune out. :thumbsdown:

Oscar
June 27th, 2007, 11:09 AM
I agree I have already started losing interest. Just a scenario what would Helton do if they just forgot he way to the track one week its not like there are alot of people that can field teams. Helton better realize that an OK idea is running amock right now.

scottycards
June 27th, 2007, 11:26 AM
NASCAR is a family business. They run it how they want, and that's that. If you don't like it, they tell you to leave.
There is absolutely no oversight, or input from outside. A copule of guys make all the decisions.

I don't know the ownership structure, but the Speed World Challenge has the most arbitraty rules I've seen. One guy decides how much weight (lead plates on the passenger floorboard) to add/remove for each car in the top 10 (IIRC) from the previous weeks' results. It's ludicrous. A buddy of mine ran in the Touring division last year, and it's just crazy. 70lbs one week in, 50 out the next week, on and on. Made it tough to get the suspension of the car dialed in, to be sure.

I still dig the COT, and NASCAR. Best racing series out there, IMO.

Oscar
June 27th, 2007, 11:32 AM
BUt you dont have a business with out the teamowners.

Steve
June 27th, 2007, 11:50 AM
I still dig the COT, and NASCAR. Best racing series out there, IMO.

I agree - for the time being. But, if NASCAR succeeds in eliminating all innovation from the COT and making them all identical clones except for paint, as they seem intent on doing, I think people will lose interest just as they did with IROC.

Oscar
June 27th, 2007, 12:04 PM
The principles of the COT are right on the money but got give them room to innovate

starbreaker666
June 27th, 2007, 01:57 PM
Yep.. Still a loyalist, but liek everyone has said already. I SUUURE miss the old days. I love Back in the Day with Dale Jr. Great show watching them old races.

Clint
June 29th, 2007, 09:55 PM
Hey, Chad Knaus made it one year without cheating, amazing! :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/JustJoe30/knaus.png