Chamberlins and Boulder

[kwyjibo]

see
http://www.colorado4x4.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=000101

Now the Chamberlins are trying to close that road.
It will be interesting to see how the City and or County of Boulder will treat the situation with the Chamberlins. If Boulder behaves in their usual reactionary latecomer money rules manor, then they'll extinguish any RS2477 rights and close the road, keeping the Chamberlins (http://www.chamberlinteam.com/) happy. If Boulder's position is to leave the road open we will be exposed to imense hypocrisy, that is, after what they did to Caribou and to Ward road out of Jamestown.

From http://boulderco.com :
"John Chamberlin was born in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.. He attended college at Ohio State, where he majored in Business Administration. John came to the Boulder area because of his desire to find a unique, fun and energetic place to live-not to mention beautiful! ..... ...... When asked his philosophy of life, John replies, "Pursuit of the human truth which is to take responsibility for your own life, treat all people with compassion and respect and seek first to understand others before judging them."

The last line is beautiful.

[ October 15, 2003, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: kwyjibo ]

[Snotty]

Sounds like both he and Mark Boslough need to follow their own advice...

[vb]

in order for the county to close the road they need to have a hearing. and i personally still wonder if the county has a right to close a road. i know that they can vacate. but close is a whole nother issue. because in the end they close joe average out and let mr. above average use the road. again another legal action that needs to be takin to stop the insainaty. !!!!!!
if they hold a hearing then a would suggest that lots a folks show up (btw this means time off)to have their voices heard

[Shepper]

VB, don't get caught up on whether or not a county can close a road or not...

because they can.

[bsaunder]

Originally posted by Shepper:
VB, don't get caught up on whether or not a county can close a road or not...

because they can. yes and no - if its a county road, yes, but there may be some catch 22s to that too. If it provides access to other roads, the county may not be able to unilaterally close it.

In the case of Boulder, they have historically tried to close roads they did not have the jursdiction to close, unfortunatly, unless someone calls them on it, it goes unnoticed and the general population thinks that it is ok.

[kwyjibo]

Ya. Like at Caribou and the whole James creek/Gold lake/509 area.
And where exactly is Barking dog trail?

[Snotty]

I thought the Jamestown area was open. Only the upper entrance in Jamestown was closed.

An RS2477 road can be closed if there is another suitable replacement. BDT is in issue because the only replacement is an additional 50 miles to get to point B. That is how they were able to close the upper portion of the Jamestown trail. The lower entrance was still open a couple of years ago.

[kwyjibo]

While I haven't gone there to look, as of 3 months ago the FS told me that that whole Jamescreek area was still under "administrative" closure. Now it's not even listed on their closure sight http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/arnf/districts/brd/road-closures/index.htm .

[ October 16, 2003, 06:34 PM: Message edited by: kwyjibo ]

[vb]

im real cought up in it because i dont see any legal ability for them to "close" a road to some and not all. i have had good lawyers look into this and they feel the same. the county "has" but i believe it is a bluff. they believe that the chances are really slim that anyone will spend the hundreds of thousands of dollars that it would take to drag through the system. the law is see says that they can " vacate" which means that they divide the road down the middle and the half of the road goes to the boardering land owner. i which case the inbound land owners are left with no way to get to their property which is why in the bd case the county can not vacate. they can not by law leave land owners with no way to their property.
so tell me-- if the road is private why would the county pay the money for the gate and the labor to erect it and a bunch of signs. why did the county not tell the landowners that all use the road to do it themselves. btw the adresses for all of the proerties along bd are progessive numbers and all are county road 87. except of course the highland placer which is 2400 hiway 7
as i said i dont believe that the county can -they just do

[kwyjibo]

Exactly! Unless someone has boatloads of money to challenge them they get away with it. When you talk to people at the county level they usually have ridiculous reasons for closures that sound more like excuses and don't make any sense.

[colorado phil]

Why doesn't everyone send an email to the Chamberlains on their realtor web site stating their interest in buying a house in the area? Perhaps a full email box might give them a taste of their own tactics. We don't cut down trees and try to close roads and I think most of us travel the trails to enjoy the beauty. I think we all make sure we leave no trash behind and stay on the trails.
I wonder how they would react to a full email box of people interested in buying property? graemlins/crybaby.gif

[Snotty]

April 23, 2002
ACTION
Commissioner Stewart moved to table the LaBelle Road/Mountain King Road closure decision until July 25, 2002 at 2:00 p.m. with the condition that the decision would be called to hearing sooner if the road were to again to be closed by the Chamberlins. Commissioner Danish seconded the motion.
VOTE: MENDEZ, aye; DANISH, aye; STEWART, aye. Motion carried 3-0. (928)


July 25, 2002
ACTION
Commissioner Stewart moved to table this hearing indefinitely to allow for research and discovery of additional documentation pertaining to the historical usage of the portion of Mountain King Road in question, with a direction to staff to bring the matter to the Board?s attention should any closures of the road by the property owner occur in the interim. Commissioner Danish seconded the motion.
VOTE: MENDEZ, aye; DANISH, aye; STEWART, aye. Motion carried 3-0. (0434)


Sounds like the Chamblerlains tried to illegally close the road. Up to now and what I can find the issue has been tabled. There are no more references to it in any other Boulder County Minutes.