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springsman
January 19th, 2007, 01:31 PM
ok, here's my beef...companies are bound by all sorts of rights, like they have to be equal oportunity, they have to respect civil rights, they have to pay you fair wages, soooo how come my company can tell me I can't bring my concealed weapon in the building....we're not a bank, bar, etc. etc. we're a management training organization....:mad: :confused: anyone else barred from bringing one to work?

sweater
January 19th, 2007, 01:39 PM
I think that this has been covered, somewhat ad nauseum, in this thread (http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=85113).

My right to carry does not trump my company's right to bar an armed person from coming into the building. If I disagreed enough with that policy, I'd work elsewhere.

- mike

springsman
January 19th, 2007, 01:41 PM
sorry guys, just saw all the other related posts.....what gets me is it seems to be getting more and more frequent that all the businesses are putting up such signs....

lilgreenjeepyj
January 19th, 2007, 01:41 PM
You can't even smoke anywhere on grounds here... The poor smokers have to treck off grounds...

jnschwie
January 19th, 2007, 03:46 PM
I just don't see these signs that often.

I've never seen this in my company policy, but I"m sure its frowned upon.

Camp
January 19th, 2007, 05:47 PM
I guess my question would be, why would you need or want to carry into your place of work?

springsman
January 19th, 2007, 05:57 PM
I gues I'm just the kind of guy that doesn't like to NOT carry my gun....but another decent reason is since I do carry most often, I'd rather not have it out in my jeep all day long waiting to get ripped off...and I'd like to not have to go home to get it if I by chance want to go somewhere else first that I may need it...say even the shooting range....just bugs me I guess for some unkown reason

Camp
January 19th, 2007, 06:07 PM
I guess I can see that reasoning. I don't carry often as it would not be good to get caught on one of my job sites with my gun. I can't see my client being too happy about it :D Something about firearms on a liquid natural gas pumping facility might make them nervous.

newracer
January 20th, 2007, 12:53 AM
My company doesn't have a policy. I work in an office with just one other person, my boss. I have been carrying everyday since I got the license just to see if he ever notices, about 6 months now and nothing.

jeepn4evr
January 22nd, 2007, 02:56 PM
Yeah my part time job at Sears has a big sign up about it , so every night I have to go home & change & drop it off, which sucks because some nights I only work 3 hours. Also sucks because I am pretty sure if I carry it when I am not working & go into a Sears or Kmart store I could still get in trouble. I can't always leave it in my vehicle because of the 5 vehicles I alternate driving only one of them locks & thats not as fun or gas friendly when the weathers nice. Funny thing is alot of the guys I work with don't like the policy & one of them has his CCW, so he is in same boat as I am. The others without the CCW wouldn't carry illegally they just think Sears policy is dumb. Apparently Sears is a nonconfrontational company. Basically means employees always have to back down from a fight & unless they are loss protection can't takckle the guy LP is chasing after. Heck even LP can't tackle them. If someone is stealing somthing & LP catches them & they start fighting back they have to let them go. Really funny thing is 2 different during the day the HR people are walking through the store with probably over $5,000 in cash. If someone with a gun came in at the right time & started shooting chances are he wouldn't be stopped & he would get away. In that casse I probably would get fired as I would use somthing in the store as a weapon. Not saying carrying while working would stop this guy, but be alot easier to if you could

Yota
January 22nd, 2007, 03:23 PM
How do you back down from a gunshot wound? That'd be a neat trick.

Sears needs to know that you don't have to be an aggressor to get shot.

My company is the same way. They actually go so far as to prohibit guns from even being stored in locked vehicles. Is that legal? No one knows. Who wants to be the first test case?

We did discuss this in that thread that sweater posted.

Budman
January 22nd, 2007, 03:24 PM
I can't carry at work, but then again, I work on an AFB, and we are so well protected by the contract gaurds we have that I feel completely safe.


Sears: When they teamed up with Kmart, they became part of the biggest anti-gun companies out there.

jnschwie
January 23rd, 2007, 08:25 AM
Yeah my part time job at Sears has a big sign up about it , so every night I have to go home & change & drop it off, which sucks because some nights I only work 3 hours. Also sucks because I am pretty sure if I carry it when I am not working & go into a Sears or Kmart store I could still get in trouble. I can't always leave it in my vehicle because of the 5 vehicles I alternate driving only one of them locks & thats not as fun or gas friendly when the weathers nice. Funny thing is alot of the guys I work with don't like the policy & one of them has his CCW, so he is in same boat as I am. The others without the CCW wouldn't carry illegally they just think Sears policy is dumb. Apparently Sears is a nonconfrontational company. Basically means employees always have to back down from a fight & unless they are loss protection can't takckle the guy LP is chasing after. Heck even LP can't tackle them. If someone is stealing somthing & LP catches them & they start fighting back they have to let them go. Really funny thing is 2 different during the day the HR people are walking through the store with probably over $5,000 in cash. If someone with a gun came in at the right time & started shooting chances are he wouldn't be stopped & he would get away. In that casse I probably would get fired as I would use somthing in the store as a weapon. Not saying carrying while working would stop this guy, but be alot easier to if you could


While Yota is right about not needing to be an aggressor (or perceived aggressor) to be shot....

....if I'm in your position (or any work position that isn't MY OWN business), I'm handing over just about anything they want in a very cooperative manner. Oh, the keys to the bosses' new mercedes? Here, Mr. Gunman, let me gas her up and wax it for you first.

If I worked LP at Sears, and I knew it was an unarmed punk kid stealing some tools -I still wouldn't WANT to tackle the kid. Why bump my knee on the tile so the boss doesn't have to make an insurance claim?

Grant H.
January 23rd, 2007, 09:02 AM
The biggest thing here is Private Property.

The landlord has the overall say, but when rented to a company, such as the one I work for, the control of that policy goes to the CEO or Owner of the company.

I work for a company that supplies the radios that control the UAV's in Iraq and Afghanistan. There have been threats and such that get here, so if I could I would carry. However, my boss has said that we cannot carry at the company. This came about because I was talking to lots of coworkers about getting it and promoting the class that I know about.

So all in all, it is the private property rules that determine whether you can or cannot carry at work. If the company says no, then you are breaking the law to be carrying there.

Grant

Barf Bag
January 23rd, 2007, 10:11 AM
we are encouraged to bring guns to work and shoot them at the little range out back

Budman
January 23rd, 2007, 11:29 AM
we are encouraged to bring guns to work and shoot them at the little range out back

I wanna work for your company.

Grant H.
January 23rd, 2007, 01:16 PM
I wanna work for your company.

NO KIDDING!!!

I would love that. But alas, this is on the very eastern edge of The peoples republic of boulder. Otherwise know as, 15 square miles surrounded by reality.

Grant

oleblue
January 23rd, 2007, 02:06 PM
No cameras, no tobacco, no weapons of any kind - not even a butter knife. Yet at the Waterton plant, they have a firing range. Always excpetions to the rule.

Yota
January 23rd, 2007, 04:02 PM
we are encouraged to bring guns to work and shoot them at the little range out back

When's the next "Bring a Random Redneck Stranger to Work Day?"

:beer: :D

Luv_Jeeps
January 23rd, 2007, 06:40 PM
You can't even smoke anywhere on grounds here... The poor smokers have to treck off grounds...

You must work for EchoStar.

Barf Bag
January 24th, 2007, 09:55 AM
When's the next "Bring a Random Redneck Stranger to Work Day?"

:beer: :D

we are an engineering firm, no rednecks here (that we will admit to)