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Mrfreeze5
July 28th, 2006, 01:35 PM
My axles are finally moving along! Here is the initial progress. The housings have been welded up but the tubes still need to be cut down with the spindles and knuckles welded on. For those who dont know about my build, these are going under a 96 Grand Cherokee with long arms, dana 300 tcase, and 37" hummer tires/wheels. Most of our 9's use 1/4" wall, mine are 3/8" wall 3" DOM. Here are the specs for the finished products:

Front Axle:
Pass Drop
65" WMS
'79 Ford F250 Knuckles
Crane Inners
Dual Piston Calipers
8 lug
31 spl Detroit Locker
4.56 gears
Superior Shafts
CTM U-joints
Full Housing Truss

Rear Axle:
65" WMS
14 Bolt SRW Hubs
Rockcrusher Spindles
77 GM 3/4 Ton Front Rotors and Calipers
Superior 35 spl Full Float Shafts
4.56 Gears
35 spl Spool(for now)
Full housing truss

All these pics are just mock up right now, I will have more pics as progress is made and assembly begins.


Here's how the Spider 9's started out:
Center:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/centerraw.JPG

Tube:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/tuberaw.JPG

My axle tube:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/tube.JPG


Front Axle:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/front1.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/front2.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/knuckle.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/craneinner.JPG

Rear Axle:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/Rear1.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/Rear2.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/Rear3.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/Rear4.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/Rear5.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/rearspindle.JPG

Oil Fill cap(How cool is this?!?):
http://www.spidertrax.com/core/media/media.nl?id=726&c=407909&h=9d5d7c852caa812a8832

rockfrog
July 28th, 2006, 01:43 PM
That does look like a SWEET axle, how much are they charging you? It would be nice to build a front 9" , and not have it be a Currie.

Mrfreeze5
July 28th, 2006, 01:47 PM
That does look like a SWEET axle, how much are they charging you? It would be nice to build a front 9" , and not have it be a Currie.

The housings are below retail since Im an employee(I love my job!). All the parts aside from the housing I have sourced myself and since these are prototypes for future versions labor is very reasonable. Thats as much as I can say without getting in trouble :D.

But when its all said and done I will probably be somewhere between $2-3K for front and rear complete when Im done. But bear in mind that I sourced my own parts many of which are junkyard(knuckles, rear hubs etc) and found the best prices. Ive been getting parts for my axles for over a year now. Ive been very patient and waited for the good deals.

Mrfreeze5
July 28th, 2006, 02:01 PM
And before someone asks, the reason Im using flanged FF shafts instead of dual splined shafts and drive flanges is so that I can do quick swaps on my diff. I will run a 31spl truetrac rear diff with 4.56s with cut down and resplined 14b shafts for road driving and I can swap everything out in about 30 min. And Ill be using the reusable lube-lok gaskets instead of RTV so I dont have to wait for it to set.

Swat
July 28th, 2006, 02:05 PM
Very nice!:drool: I need one of those front housings with a drivers drop. Got the rest and 35 spline 9" with True Hi9 in the back.:idea: Would you be interested in pay to pull the knucks off of an old Sunray Engineering 609 front and swap them to one of the Spider housings??? :hail: They are 3" diameter king pin style to go with the 5 on 5 1/2 stuff I have.

Mrfreeze5
July 28th, 2006, 02:11 PM
As of now we are only offering the housings as center with tubes as either centered, rh/lh drop, and for rear engine(flipped third) or front engine. We aren't doing anything like that just yet. in the future...maybe, but these arent even released to the public whole. We've only prereleased the housings and we're getting great response so far.

Swat
July 28th, 2006, 02:19 PM
I want a housing. I spoke with Jeff. I'll grind and bang these knucks off and find a way or someone to help me weld them on the housing straight. Do you all use an alignment bar and pucks or some other jig?????

How thick is the material on the center section????

Excited! If that housing were a lady I'd have wood.:D

Oh, going 35 spline because it's a bruggy = Fullsize bronco narrowed front, bobbed rear, 4 seater, InoExoed, and 5,000lbs!.

Mrfreeze5
July 28th, 2006, 02:25 PM
We've got a few mothods for ensurings everything is aligned. Still playing with the best method though which is why theyre still prototypes. If you can get your knuckles off any competent welder can get them put on and aligned for you. The center section is 1/4" plate

Steve
July 28th, 2006, 02:40 PM
But when its all said and done I will probably be somewhere between $2-3K for front and rear complete when Im done.
You suck! :flipoff2: Those are gonna be killer axles. :thumbsup:

Swat
July 28th, 2006, 02:52 PM
We've got a few mothods for ensurings everything is aligned. Still playing with the best method though which is why theyre still prototypes. If you can get your knuckles off any competent welder can get them put on and aligned for you. The center section is 1/4" plate

I guess if the housing is straight, I could do it. Best done on my rig anyway to get the pinion angle and caster right. I may have to tack it up and take it to somebody with a higher amperage welder.

One method I know they use to narrow 9" housings for dragsters is to use an alignment bar the size of the axle shaft and machined pucks the size of the bearings. You bolt that rig into a cut-out 9" drop out case. Bolt the whole rig into the housing center and add your tubes, etc. If it's a front you slap them inner seals on the shaft with the pucks.

Wish I could swing the full floaters and rear disk breaks, maybe later, Saaweeeeet! As is I'm selling a kidney for the True Hi9's, kiddin'.

Leon Phelps
July 28th, 2006, 05:57 PM
Looks damn good Wilson! Glad to see its finally coming along. You ever do anything with the 9" third I sold ya?

samikrawler
July 28th, 2006, 06:17 PM
They dont look that great Mr. Wilson, you brag too much!! Just kidding they are great axles and they will look good on your grand!!!!!

jowwo
July 29th, 2006, 05:23 AM
Sounds like it's gonna be one cool ZJ!
How much work on the the floor of the jeep did you have to do to fit the D300?

Steven_Mc
July 29th, 2006, 11:24 AM
SICK!! :hail:

Mrfreeze5
July 31st, 2006, 07:32 AM
They dont look that great Mr. Wilson, you brag too much!! Just kidding they are great axles and they will look good on your grand!!!!!

Shaddup and get back to work minion!


Sounds like it's gonna be one cool ZJ!
How much work on the the floor of the jeep did you have to do to fit the D300?

I can get the 300 in without modifying the floor but it would hang really low. I plan to put the 300 in when I put the jeep in the shop to put the axles in. I only want to buy one new rear driveshaft, not two. We're going to hack up the floor and make a enw panel. Shouldnt take too much work though. We've got everythign we need here to do a nice clean job of it and our welder is phenomenal.

Mrfreeze5
July 31st, 2006, 10:09 AM
Looks damn good Wilson! Glad to see its finally coming along. You ever do anything with the 9" third I sold ya?

Yeah, that third will be my road setup. Im gonna run the truetrac with resplined(31spl) 14b shafts for the road in winter. Ill swap it for my spool in the warm months.

Abner
July 31st, 2006, 05:45 PM
What is your source on the 14 bolt spindles? Do you know the retail price?

Mrfreeze5
August 1st, 2006, 07:17 AM
What is your source on the 14 bolt spindles? Do you know the retail price?

Rockcrusher ~$200/pr

They come with extra material on the backside so that you can machine them down to fit whatever size axle tube you are running.

josh
August 2nd, 2006, 11:37 AM
just curious. Why do all that work and not go 35spl d60 stuff?

the r&p isnt the weak link when dealing with d44 parts. why not just throw a full d44 in there???

Mrfreeze5
August 2nd, 2006, 12:19 PM
Its 35 spl alloys in the rear

Dana 44 is old and no fun. I hate setting up dana axles. i had a HP44 fully built for the front and ditched it becuase I dont like integral housings anymore. I already had all the 44 outers that gave me the big brakes(ford dual piston) and the 8 lug that I wanted plus hubs and such. Superior shafts and CTMs will be plenty for my 37s and a relatively light foot. plus 31spl superior shafts will put stock 44 stuff to shame. I dont forsee being any larger than 37s for a long time and I really didnt want the extra weight(and cost) of 60 stuff. Another reason for the 31 spl front is that I already had a third member set up with gears and a detroit(originally for the 9" rear I was setting up to complement the 44 front) which will go up front now and I am spooling the rear. My entire front axle is being built for about $500 less than my fully built HP 44 that I already had. Oh yeah, and my 9" front is considerably lighter than a F250 housing with 1/2" tubes and is easily just as strong if not stronger due to the trussing and no diff cover to peel back. :P

Swat
August 25th, 2006, 01:04 PM
Progress/Update???

Mrfreeze5
August 25th, 2006, 01:32 PM
Progress/Update???

Still waiting on the shop to finish my welding. I guess now that the housings are done its on the backburner till I pay them off since theyve decided to charge me for them now.

Swat
August 25th, 2006, 02:00 PM
Still waiting on the shop to finish my welding. I guess now that the housings are done its on the backburner till I pay them off since theyve decided to charge me for them now.

Hmmmmm.........All good things in time?

Mrfreeze5
August 25th, 2006, 03:51 PM
Hmmmmm.........All good things in time?

Yeah. Ive got to be patient though. i was waiting on my housings to be welded for nearly a year and Ive been gathering parts for 3, so no reason to get antsy now.

Mrfreeze5
August 31st, 2006, 12:46 PM
I thought I would share a few more pics of the rest of the parts. Sorry about the quality. camera phone is all i ahve access to right now.

Front Third member:
31spl Detroit, 4.56 Gears, Stock case(for now, Strange coming soon)

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/Frontthird.jpg

Front Rotors and hubs:
F250 Front, Warn Premium

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/frontrotor.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/hubs.jpg


Front Perches:
Stock(didnt want aftermarket as they will be cut and modified)
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/Frontperches.jpg

7/8-18 Tie Rod Ends:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/TREs.jpg

Rear third member:
Stock case(for now) Yukon 35spl Spool, 1350 Forged Yoke, Yukon 4.56 gears
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/rearthird.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/gears.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/spool.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/yoke.jpg

Rear ZJ perches:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/rearperches.jpg

Rear Brakes:
77 GM 3/4 ton front
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/rearrotor.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/rearcaliper.jpg

Wheels and Tires:
HMMWV 16.5" double beadlocks, 37x12.50R16.5 Goodyear MT(military)
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/wheels.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1045860/mts.jpg


More to come!!

Swat
August 31st, 2006, 01:30 PM
:thumbsup: Looks like good stuff, very cool, but man them are some dirty toes! Please keep those out of the pics in the future :P

Mrfreeze5
August 31st, 2006, 02:14 PM
:thumbsup: Looks like good stuff, very cool, but man them are some dirty toes! Please keep those out of the pics in the future :P

Haha! Yeah they are. I tend to wear sandals a little too often(too lazy to tie my shoes) and my toes get dirty quick :D

truehi9
September 1st, 2006, 10:00 PM
You might want to knock the dust shield off the yoke or try to weld it on. They aren't fastened on very well. I usually tap them lightly and they fall off. That way people don't have to try cut them off later. Just my experiance with them. Looking good.

Mrfreeze5
September 2nd, 2006, 12:57 PM
Its all a one piece forging. Its not a stocker. Its a forged 1350 yoke from Yukon.

truehi9
September 3rd, 2006, 01:07 PM
It looks like the same one I use from Randys part# YY900662. I just put one on yesterday and the dust shield had fallen off in the box from Randys. But yours maybe a different part number. No biggie, just telling what I had seen.

Mrfreeze5
September 5th, 2006, 09:37 AM
It looks like the same one I use from Randys part# YY900662. I just put one on yesterday and the dust shield had fallen off in the box from Randys. But yours maybe a different part number. No biggie, just telling what I had seen.

Indeed you are right. I had never paid that much attention to it. Dust shield is no more. Look like they plated it with the shield on there, now Ive got a nice little ring of bare metal, how nice...Im going to paint it anyway. oh well