Immigrants plan to shut down cities on May 1?

[Yota]

Apparently they're planning massive protests (http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060427/2006-04-27T205226Z_01_N26224260_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-USA-IMMIGRATION-DC.html) that they claim will "shut down" cities.

Add to that all the other antagonistic crap that the illegals and their supporters are doing and I think they stand a good chance of a backlash (which the story mentions).

-- Waving the Mexican flag all over the place
-- Flying the American Flag upside down
-- Stomping the flag, burning the flag
-- Creating a whiny Spanish-language version (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193481,00.html) of the National Anthem
-- Massive, often militant, marches

I just don't understand who they think they're going to pesuade with this behavior.

I'm all for a guest worker program I guess, but if these people want to stay they need to first realize that as of today they are criminals in this country.

But I'm already sick of this crap and I want deportations and I want them considered felons just as any of us would be in their country.

[al24]

I'm all for a guest worker program I guess, but if these people want to stay they need to first realize that as of today they are criminals in this country.

But I'm already sick of this crap and I want deportations and I want them considered felons just as any of us would be in their country.

" Pro-immigration activists say a national boycott and marches planned for May 1 will flood U.S. streets with millions of Latinos to demand amnesty for illegal immigrants and shake the ground under Congress as it debates reform."
So every Hispanic is a criminal.
Pretty broad brush you're using there.

[starbreaker666]

These are sponsored by pro-commi organizations that are using these people are "useful idiots". Heard on teh readio that trucks drivers are being physically threatened in cali not to deliver on may 1.

[mpmoe2002]

INS should have it easy that day--illegals at an arms reach. :thumbsup:

[jtw2]

....loading mags.....

[DenverDude2002]

I'll be having the biggest american flag i can find attached to my truck may 1st, along with a sign that says "DONT LIKE IT HERE? LEAVE"

[Gunter]

i am thinking they should all go back to their home countries,and stay for 30 days,and REALLY SHOW US a lesson.i DARE them to!!!
what part of ILLEGAL alien do they not get?

[al24]

....reading mags.....
JP? :flipoff2:

[Joker]

This would be a great time to go to the DMV for anything!!!
Sweet..new tags are due.:thumbsup:

Hmm.....less traffic too. Great!!!:thumbsup:

Walmart Stores less crowded. I guess some EARLY XMAS shopping is on the menu too.:thumbsup:

Please feel free to add to my "May 1st list" of things to get done now!!:thumbsup:

I wish they would do this type of stuff more often!:thumbsup:

[Snotty]

Well, Del Taco will be closed, I guess that means real food for lunch. Oh darn...

I would love to see INS show up during the marches. Just like that comedian that loaded up a bunch of Illegals in his truck and drove them to the INS. Now that was damn funny!

[OlBlueCJ7]

....loading mags.....

Can I come play at YOUR house? :D

I wish it were that easy - in the back of my mind, I almost wish it were as simple as shooting the illegal ones. It aggravates me to no end, as a LEGAL immigrant, to have these people whining that they should get crap for free. :mad:

[1BGDOG]

Well, Del Taco will be closed, I guess that means real food for lunch. Oh darn...

I would love to see INS show up during the marches. Just like that comedian that loaded up a bunch of Illegals in his truck and drove them to the INS. Now that was damn funny!

I remember that clip, who was that?

[jtw2]

google for "the amazing racist" and you'll get him. Lots of clips actually.

[jtw2]

Can I come play at YOUR house? :D

I wish it were that easy - in the back of my mind, I almost wish it were as simple as shooting the illegal ones. It aggravates me to no end, as a LEGAL immigrant, to have these people whining that they should get crap for free. :mad:


ya, I'll post guard while you swap out my engine!

[OlBlueCJ7]

ya, I'll post guard while you swap out my engine!

:laughing: DEAL!

[creepycrawler]

So every Hispanic is a criminal.
Pretty broad brush you're using there.


I don't see where he said anything like that. I haven't heard anybody say they are against immigration. The subject line here is "ILLEGAL" immigration. What part of illegal are we having a problem understanding?

[AMMOtj]

For some reason, I think we (the United States) will survive and won't have much of an impact. In fact, I agree with Joker, would be a great time to get some things accomplished!

[jamie desoto]

i came here from ireland when i was a kid. i was lucky my mom was a US citizen and i had dual citzenship till i was 18 and i had to pick a country.

my father and my grandfather both came here from ireland . they applied for a work visa and then when they got here they applied for citzenship. grandpa spoke nearly all galic (irish traditional language). he learned to speak english almost imeadiately. they both also had to take a test to get their citzenship. US history, how the governmet works, the branches of the govt and all kinds of stuff.. grandma came from austria spoke no english at all! did the same thing went through all the same process. they are all proud of where they came from but are very very proud of their new country, till the day he died grandpa told me about how hard it was in ireland and how its just as hard here but if you work hard for it you can have a great life here. grandma still flys the US flag everyday outside the house.

dad and grandma both say the way there going about this is wrong. you need to do it the right way if you want to live here. not just say hey nice country i think ill just stay.

ill support anyone who does it the right way.. ive spoke on behalf on two friends already who have applied for citizenship here. it takes a few years but its the right way to do it and it makes the end result even more fufilling. if youre going to do it the wrong way (which is what there doing now) then you deserve to be deported.. and yes there needs to be a wall up between us and them. its not that hard to do it the right way.

if youre gonna come here and work and make a life for yourself you need to do it right and apply for a visa and pay taxes. not send your illeagal money back to you home country. wave your countrys flag blast your horrible music everywhere and demand that since you come for such a sad and opressed country that everything here be free, and on top of that not learn the language and tell everyone well i come from a poor country so i didnt have the schooling so you need to speak my language. i dont call that poor i call that lazy.

i could go on forever.. sorry about my spelling im a mechanic not an english teacher! ... now ill get off my soapbox

[T3N5OR]

....loading mags.....
done and done....

[Gunter]

i came here from ireland when i was a kid. i was lucky my mom was a US citizen and i had dual citzenship till i was 18 and i had to pick a country.

my father and my grandfather both came here from ireland . they applied for a work visa and then when they got here they applied for citzenship. grandpa spoke nearly all galic (irish traditional language). he learned to speak english almost imeadiately. they both also had to take a test to get their citzenship. US history, how the governmet works, the branches of the govt and all kinds of stuff.. grandma came from austria spoke no english at all! did the same thing went through all the same process. they are all proud of where they came from but are very very proud of their new country, till the day he died grandpa told me about how hard it was in ireland and how its just as hard here but if you work hard for it you can have a great life here. grandma still flys the US flag everyday outside the house.

dad and grandma both say the way there going about this is wrong. you need to do it the right way if you want to live here. not just say hey nice country i think ill just stay.

ill support anyone who does it the right way.. ive spoke on behalf on two friends already who have applied for citizenship here. it takes a few years but its the right way to do it and it makes the end result even more fufilling. if youre going to do it the wrong way (which is what there doing now) then you deserve to be deported.. and yes there needs to be a wall up between us and them. its not that hard to do it the right way.

if youre gonna come here and work and make a life for yourself you need to do it right and apply for a visa and pay taxes. not send your illeagal money back to you home country. wave your countrys flag blast your horrible music everywhere and demand that since you come for such a sad and opressed country that everything here be free, and on top of that not learn the language and tell everyone well i come from a poor country so i didnt have the schooling so you need to speak my language. i dont call that poor i call that lazy.

i could go on forever.. sorry about my spelling im a mechanic not an english teacher! ... now ill get off my soapbox
nicely said jamie................i have not heard this said so right --good job!

[T3N5OR]

or, i remember a low budget movie that came out a yr or 2 ago, called, oddly enuff, a day without mexicans or sumpin like that, where a big purple cloud surrounded la and all the mexis disappeared, and senator couldnt dress themselves or have eggs over my hammyand all hell broke loose, lol.... shittiest movie i ever.....

[nhlbill]

I thought they called that "Cinco de Mayo"????....:beer:

Seriously though I know several Mexican Nationals that won't have anything to do with Cinco de Mayo celebrations as they feel that most of the day is dedicated to partying and gives a bad impression in the press of all the damage and out of hand celebrations. It gives the whole reason for celebrating a tainted look. Now they want to do this on May 1st too (Iknow the two days are for totally seperate occasions, but it won't look that way on the news)??? This is not going to get anything productive done and going to make their point look bad IMO.

It's just weird what we think is right and wrong in this country. We think kicking our neighbors out of our country because it's costing us so much money is a good thing, yet we pour billions of dollars over seas into countries that don't want us there. All while we pay $3.00 a gallon for gas..:confused:

[Gunter]

I thought they called that "Cinco de Mayo"????....:beer:

Seriously though I know several Mexican Nationals that won't have anything to do with Cinco de Mayo celebrations as they feel that most of the day is dedicated to partying and gives a bad impression in the press of all the damage and out of hand celebrations. It gives the whole reason for celebrating a tainted look. Now they want to do this on May 1st too (Iknow the two days are for totally seperate occasions, but it won't look that way on the news)??? This is not going to get anything productive done and going to make their point look bad IMO.

It's just weird what we think is right and wrong in this country. We think kicking our neighbors out of our country because it's costing us so much money is a good thing, yet we pour billions of dollars over seas into countries that don't want us there. All while we pay $3.00 a gallon for gas..:confused:
in a child like way you are right.look deeper and see what is going on.

[bsaunder]

I actually think the Hispanic population is doing a large disservice to their people and all of the legal immigrants that are not of Hispanic decent.
The marches have all been organized by Hispanic?s (more correctly, Mexican's) in protest of the new laws that are nothing other than new laws to enforce the current laws. They whine that Mexican immigrants are stereotyped as illegal immigrants; yet they hold up signs and call for all people of Mexican decent to participate in the protests - what about all the other nationalities that are here illegally?? The vast majority of us here are at least descendants of immigrants. The Mexicans act as if they are the only ones being targeted, go out of their way to basically state they are the only ones being effected; and then get pissed off when someone makes a statement using the bias that they created...

I just don't get it..... or more properly, they just don?t get it. I know too many people that have legally emigrated from many different countries (including Mexico) and all of them seemed to be able to figure out the system quite well and are now legal US citizens. It is not the right of a Mexican or any other nationality to come into the US however they please and do as they please here while mooching off the social systems. I doubt they would appreciate it too much if I just walked into their house, raided their kitchen, cranked up the AC, and started ordering pay-for-view - and then left when the bills started coming in. (assuming they could be held responsible for their bills).

It?s really simple ? if you want to be here and work; get a work visa and stay for a bit. If you really like it here, apply for citizenship and stay. If you don?t want to play buy the rules; sorry but you get to pay the price.

I urge all of you to write your representatives and let them know how you feel so the bills do get passed (if that is the stance you have).

[zillacon]

I think we need to have a M@G during Gringo De Mayo and we could all parade down Federal with our jeeps covered with Old Glory.

[freestyle_6981]

....IM LOADIN UP MY GUNS AS WE SPEAK...I SURE AS HELL AM NOT GOING TO LET OUT COUNTRY BE TAKEN OVER BY SOME CRAZY ILLEGALS....:tisk: THEY WILL BE LIKE THIS BY THE TIME WE ARE DONE WITH THEM.:hail:

[CLYDE]

I think we need to have a M@G during Gringo De Mayo and we could all parade down Federal with our jeeps covered with Old Glory.Is your heep bullet proof??? if not this may not be such a great idea, tho I like it in theory....

[Pilot]

We should boycott all Hispanic businesses for one week and see how that gets the ILLEGAL immigrants. They are not "undocumented", they broke our laws and we are not enforcing the law. Hmmmmm, maybe should ignore our other laws, like not pay Federal income tax. Think the IRS will mind?

1. Proscecute companies for hiring illegal workers.
2. Put U.S. soldiers on our borders.
3. Systematically deport illegals.

There, problem solved.

Loading mags X 4. :mad:

[CLYDE]

Loading mags X 4. :mad: What? my stuff is always loaded, slackers:flipoff2:

[Pilot]

What? my stuff is always loaded, slackers:flipoff2:

We're talking about the extra bizillion mags we have. What do you have 2?

:flipoff2:

[CLYDE]

We're talking about the extra bizillion mags we have. What do you have 2?

:flipoff2:yep only 2, lmao, keep tellin yourself, That ol hillbilly gotta run outta ammo soon,, he only has 2 mags lmao.......

[BajaBilly]

I received this in an email:


If you know a business in Denver that is employing illegals, write out a small detailed report including the business name and address, make a copy and send it CERTIFIED MAIL to the US Immigration Services. This way you and I both have proof, that the proper authorities were notified. If there is no action, we sit better legally.

Don't give your business to anyone who is using illegals. Let the management know that you are on to them and you are reporting them. You can do this through the mail as well. (To avoid getting shanked in the parking lot)

I have personally made this a hobby over the last three months, and I have been responsible for getting seven illegals deported, and two business owners fined. If each one of us who cares about this issue, just got one deported, it would be a nice bite out of this problem. USE THE MAIL! Again, use certified letters, avoid any physical confrontation.

You do have the right to ask someone for their documentation, as a legal U.S. Citizen.
You also have a right to place them under citizen's arrest if they cannot produce this documentation. Agian, JUST USE THE MAIL to do this. Avoid physical confrontation.
I have a feeling that on Mon. May 1st, the Mexican's behavior will speak volumes about what type of people they really are. I'm sure that if there are any counter protesters there, the Mexicans will turn violent. So let them show there true colors, and don't engage them. Report any threats or assault immediatly, and press charges. This gets them into the criminal justice system.

If you feel like joining us on Monday we will be there full on! And we won't be intimidated on our own soil. So come and stand strong. Just obey the law, and be the good citizen you are. Speak respectfully and don't lose your temper. Leave that to them.
If you are running a business in Colorado, and you hire illegals, you better watch your ass, because we are gonna shut you down, LEGALLY. I have found that my last four US Immigration Services reports were responded to, within two days! So they have stepped up. You can do this Colorado! It is your right as an U.S. Citizen!
To my legal Mexican friends, I love you guys, and value you in our community immensly. This is not about you. Unless you support this idiocy.

[whited]

Imagine that. A large group of illegal aliens plotting to stop work and launch
massive public protests and demand 'rights'. Its laughable. Its absolutely
comical and if it weren't actually happening, I wouldn't believe it. Its like
something out of a Heinlein novel. Insanity.

I guess what I really don't understand is how this is not being dealth with
more harshly. These people are illegal aliens = criminals, and this whole thing
is tantamount to an invasion. Now, with threats and demands on our
economy, its turning into a hostile invasion.

WTF is going on here? Can someone help me understand?

[Pavement Sucks]

Rant on:
While they are in a big group marchin around... maybe they should just keep walkin! What i find funny about all of this is that they can protest all they want but since they are illegal.. they cant vote against the issue. :) That and what confuses me is why they would disrespect the American flag... ? Arent they trying to stay? You would think that they would all be wearing "I LOVE USA" T-shirts and stuff... showing how much they love this country while begging to stay... if they want to waive the mexican flag and praise to it.... Then GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM!!!!! DONT DISRESPECT MY COUNTRY AND THEN ASK TO STAY!!! KEEP IT UP, YOUR ONLY PISSING US OFF!!!
Sorry... Rant off

[OlBlueCJ7]

I You do have the right to ask someone for their documentation, as a legal U.S. Citizen.

The next meet & greet might get really interesting for me. Better bring my green card! :D

[jeepinwelch]

Informing the US Immigration Services is a sweet gesture but in Colorado Springs it will get you nowhere. The police here are frustrated because no one from Immigration will come and pick up the illegals when they get out of jail. Even though they are here illegally, have been convicted of a crime and been to jail they have to let them walk out the door when their sentence is up.
Maybe we should all boycott hispanic businesses and products on Cinco de Mayo. It won't do any good but I know I would feel a small sense of satisfaction. The only thing that would suck is no tequila!

[CLYDE]

Imagine that. A large group of illegal aliens plotting to stop work and launch
massive public protests and demand 'rights'. Its laughable. Its absolutely
comical and if it weren't actually happening, I wouldn't believe it. Its like
something out of a Heinlein novel. Insanity.

I guess what I really don't understand is how this is not being dealth with
more harshly. These people are illegal aliens = criminals, and this whole thing
is tantamount to an invasion. Now, with threats and demands on our
economy, its turning into a hostile invasion.

WTF is going on here? Can someone help me understand?Shees, i figured you would be all for these folks doin this, with your typical anti US sentiments..:flipoff2:

[ColoradoSkier]

I already boycott Corona, does that help? ;)

[whited]

:flipoff2:

[jeepinwelch]

I already boycott Corona, does that help? ;)
Definitely! Support your local brewery! Mmmm Tommy Knocker Maple Nut.

[CLYDE]

:flipoff2:bwahahah that didnt take long...

[whited]

What can I say?

I'm a friggin wind-up toy.:P

[whited]

I just read the article and apparently a Cardinal in California is speaking up
about this, encouraging people to protest for rights.



Please, Cardinal Mahony, sit down and shut up. For you to speak from your
position about this matter is Very. Bad. Form.

:mad:

[Brett N Colorado]

Cinco De Mayo should be used like the "you have won a prize" criminal stings,, Why not take advantage of having a large number of illegals in a common location, cast the net, catch many fish with the least amount of effort. All officers report to duty, line up a few trains and busses and ship them back where they came from. It's time to stop messing around and get to work on fixing the problem. Stream line the deportation process and offer a free tank of gas for every illegal that is turned in and deported.
Brett

[kfuss]

I wonder if anyone has found a list of businesses that will be closing their doors in protest? Someone could circulate that list and people who oppose amnesty for illegal immigration could boycott the businesses.:eek:

I have been looking, it should be out there, they will want to be known to try and pump up the full impact of the march/protest.

[Yota]

Sit down whited, take a deep breath. I'm going to say something that might shock you...

...I agree with you 100%. :eek: :D

Well said.

[WhtJeep]

Cali congress voted to support the protests. Man am I ever glad Im out of that state

[Pilot]

Cali congress voted to support the protests. Man am I ever glad Im out of that state

WTF. What an out of control legislature. If it weren't for the economic ramifications, I'd say let the Mexicans have Kalifornia. They have it anway. :mad:

[oscar4x4grouch]

We should boycott all Hispanic businesses for one week and see how that gets the ILLEGAL immigrants. They are not "undocumented", they broke our laws and we are not enforcing the law. Hmmmmm, maybe should ignore our other laws, like not pay Federal income tax. Think the IRS will mind?

NO TACO EXPESS FOR A WEEK!!!! DRINK MORE BEER :beer:

[bigkuh]

I'll be having the biggest american flag i can find attached to my truck may 1st, along with a sign that says "DONT LIKE IT HERE? LEAVE"

X2:thumbsup:

oh and loading mags.......x5:mad:

You want a free ride....no problem,

hop in the back of my truck!!!:flipoff:

I call my elected reps at least twice a week on this issue, an write several letter a week. I have all of the lame asses phone numbers and I will not stop till something is done. Lets hold our elected officials feet to the fire. Let them know how you feel. In Nov. I am not voting for a single slug who won't step up to the plate on this issue. I don't care what party they are with. Make a stand and contact your local offical!!!

[diluded000]

Didn't most of Colorado used to be Mexico? We should kick out the peoples who lived here before we immgrated here cuz they want to immigrate here. Makes sense to me.

http://www.epcc.edu/nwlibrary/borderlands/18_war1848.htm

[WhtJeep]

Didnt most of the US belong to the indians? Oh wait, we slaughtered them. Maybe we should look back on history to decide the present

[OlBlueCJ7]

Didnt most of the US belong to the indians? Oh wait, we slaughtered them. Maybe we should look back on history to decide the present

:rolleyes:

[jeepinwelch]

http://www.thingstodo.com/states/CO/history.htm
You might want to research your Colorado history further back.

[sweater]

I have a feeling that on Mon. May 1st, the Mexican's behavior will speak volumes about what type of people they really are. I'm sure that if there are any counter protesters there, the Mexicans will turn violent. So let them show there true colors, and don't engage them. Report any threats or assault immediatly, and press charges. This gets them into the criminal justice system.
My fianc? and I spent a LONG time last weekend debating this. We disagree on some stuff, but it really helped me figure out why I have a problem with what I see going on with these protests.

Obviously this country was founded on immigration. Earlier in our history, it was easier to immigrate to the US. It's slightly harder now. When large groups of immigrants came to the US in the past, they did what is natural and socially expected: they banded together to protect themselves from the people in power at the time. The Irish did this in New York, the Chinese did this in San Francisco, the Polish did this in Chicago... How we treat them and how they treat us results in both sides banding together stronger - it's happened with every large population that's come here in the past. This is nothing new.

The Central American (read: Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras...) people have done this very same, expected thing: banded together. Thing is, they've been doing so many of the crap jobs that we won't do that we've allowed a lot of them in. We've wanted the cheap labor, but - go figure - didn't have the foresight to envision the problem of a porous border. So we've ended up with 11 million illegals in our country, a large percentage of which are Hispanic.

When these protestors go about equating a Mexican flag with immigrant's rights is doing these immigrants a disservice. It's a stupid move. If they were marching with an American flag, proudly and loudly yelling about how they want equal protection and representation under that flag, I think a lot more people would support their plight. Problem is, when you spit on someone they're going to get defensive. I can understand their defense of their country (assuming Mexico here, but there are others...). It's just a natural thing to do, to respond to someone that's telling you to discard your homeland, especially if you have family there.

I would LOVE to see a bunch of Swedes walking down the street waving the blue and yellow - I bet they wouldn't be welcomed that easily by those flying the Mexican banner...

Us? We need to give them a chance. Look at the problem openly and objectively. We cannot - CANNOT - kick all these people out. It's a pipe dream that you'll immediately feel and you'd be naive to think otherwise. Jobs won't get done, and if they do get done they'll end up passing on the increased expense to you, Mr. Wallet Holder. Lotsa people want to kick them out, and those same people would be bitching the loudest about the price of their produce.

But them? They need to ditch the whole "Don't you dare fawk with my country" bit. It's old. It's tiresome. It does no one any good and ultimately won't work to solve this issue. If I move to India and start waving an American flag around, I'd get the same response and expect said response.

I guess part of me is proud that they've elected to learn from us as Americans: they feel entitled to keep all of what they've gained. How much more American can you get than that?
:D

- mike

[WhtJeep]

http://www.thingstodo.com/states/CO/history.htm
You might want to research your Colorado history further back.

D'oh! I just got put in my place. Keeping mouth shut now :eek:

[Gags]

I love hot Mexican chicks...Especially mixes.

What's all the fuss about?

[OlBlueCJ7]

I love hot Mexican chicks...Especially mixes.

What's all the fuss about?

Some of them are like 12 year olds. THEY'RE ILLEGAL. :flipoff2:

[UrbanCowboy]

I have monday off; anything I can do to protest against the protestors?

[Gags]

Some of them are like 12 year olds. THEY'RE ILLEGAL. :flipoff2:


Did you read what the Houston teens did to that 16 year old kid who tried to kiss the 12 year old girl? Not too pretty.

They're all 12 at some point.:flipoff2:

[whited]

Didnt most of the US belong to the indians? Oh wait, we slaughtered them. Maybe we should look back on history to decide the present


Why not? Is that what we did with Israel ?

:shrug: meh.

[OlBlueCJ7]

"That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older,
they stay the same age. "
.

[starbreaker666]

Can to kick em all out. I can fit 8 or 9 in the back of my truck.. I'd even pay for the gas.

[jamie desoto]

Maybe we should all boycott hispanic businesses and products on Cinco de Mayo. It won't do any good but I know I would feel a small sense of satisfaction. The only thing that would suck is no tequila!


i boycot them anyway.. you ever looked in a mexican restraunt kitchen?
you may as well just eat dog crap!. so i guess the only place i could really boycot is taco bell and del taco..

i will be downtown in front of the courthouse with a counter protest.


im kinda looking to get in a fight.. i dont know why. but i want to

[BajaBilly]

I have monday off; anything I can do to protest against the protestors?


Good question.

Can go down and also rally but for a different cause.
I'm not to good in self control in confrontations though, so I try and stay away from possible situations. :)

[Markos]

Originally posted by Yota:

-- Waving the Mexican flag all over the place
-- Flying the American Flag upside down
-- Stomping the flag, burning the flag
-- Creating a whiny Spanish-language version of the National Anthem
-- Massive, often militant, marches

I just don't understand who they think they're going to pesuade with this behavior.

Where did you get this information. It certainly wasn't in your article. During the last march, a majority of the participants were waving American flags. That was in Phoenix, which was a massive march compared to the pidley display put on in Denver. I highly doubt that you will see folks stomping on flags. If you see a pic of this activity, ask if it represented the majority of the group, which will supposedly be enormous. Militant marches? Was the million man march militant?

Originally posted by jtw2 (and expressed by others):
....loading mags.....

Wow. Talk about militant activity. You should be very proud of yourself, and that you are representing America.

Originally posted by bsaunder:
The Mexicans act as if they are the only ones being targeted, go out of their way to basically state they are the only ones being effected; and then get pissed off when someone makes a statement using the bias that they created...


Granted, they aren't the only ones targeted by the revised laws. However, they are the only ones being targeted by the populace. I hear more racist, deragatory remarks thrown at Mexicans and Latinos on this board than any other. Does one forget that there are entire districts in cities such as Chicago, Denver, etc where the habbitants speak a non-english language. I can walk through Chicago and hear nothing but Polish, Chinese. There are large groups of Vietnamese immigrants here who do not speak english.

I'm not for illegal immigration. I do understand that they are people trying to make their way in life. They are seeking an opportunity to make their situation better. They can't do that in Mexico, can you blame them for trying in the US? You guys speak to the mistreatment of the poor Iraqi citizens but you could care less about our neighbors. Have you seen the poverty in Mexico first hand?

[82'CJ7]

If you feel like joining us on Monday we will be there full on! And we won't be intimidated on our own soil. So come and stand strong. Just obey the law, and be the good citizen you are. Speak respectfully and don't lose your temper. Leave that to them

Where are you guys going to be? I am trying to get people from my office as well to take off and make a stand. I truely challenge all of you on this site to do so. If we have enough time to rant about it on this forum then we have enough time to take off on monday..and or a half of a day to do what is right. Bring out your flags...support your country!! :usa:

[jeepinwelch]

I'm supporting my country on Monday by working & paying taxes.

[Sound_Man]

I'm supporting my country on Monday by working & paying taxes.

X2

[ZJbrandon]

Granted, I would not want to live there, myself, but Mexico has sophisticated, cities. I am tired of this image of the whole country being some sort of wasteland and all the habitants are hopelessly poverty stricken. Mexico City for example is quite sophisticated, has many large colleges, and tons of commerce. I agree that free enterprise may be very different here, but they do have opportunity down there to get an education and make something of themselves.

May 1st is the biggest joke, ever. Most Mexicans don't even understand the holiday. It's like valentines Day, sell more beer, tequila, etc. The day is hardly celebrated in Mexico itself. It's an americanized consumer-induced event. You see it on TV, "Celebrate Cinco de Mayo", Why? Because money is made, thats why.

Definetly don't disrespect my country and ask to stay, as mentioned. I would barely be able to contain myself if I see that happen in front of me.

[UrbanCowboy]

I'm supporting my country on Monday by working & paying taxes.

I'm supporting my country on Monday by taking a vacation day & paying taxes.

[jeepinwelch]

I'm supporting my country on Monday by taking a vacation day & paying taxes.
I don't have any vacation days so work it is.:(

[JeepWheelin02]

I'm not for illegal immigration. I do understand that they are people trying to make their way in life. They are seeking an opportunity to make their situation better. They can't do that in Mexico, can you blame them for trying in the US?

If they do so LEGALLY I have no problem with them trying to better their lives here in the U.S. However, when they come here ILLEGALLY and expect to be given things for free yes I have a problem with that. There is a proper way to do things. Do you think it would be right if you went to Germany and demanded of their government to give you free medical care and free food even though you arent a citizen and you might not even have a job there? I dont think so.


You guys speak to the mistreatment of the poor Iraqi citizens but you could care less about our neighbors. Have you seen the poverty in Mexico first hand?

How are you going to compare Mexico to Iraq? Thats like saying Jeeps and Hummers are identical. Have you ever been to Iraq? Have you seen what these people have been put through BY THEIR DICTATOR? The people in Mexico are not being abused and slaughtered by their government. There is poverty everywhere, even here in the U.S. But poverty is nothing like the murder that has happened in Iraq.

[Markos]

Originally posted by ZJBrandon:
I am tired of this image of the whole country being some sort of wasteland and all the habitants are hopelessly poverty stricken.

Your right, only half of the country is poverty stricken...

Poverty in Mexico - Fact Sheet

In 2002, half the population in Mexico was living in poverty and one fifth was living in extreme poverty. At the national level, in 2002 the rates for access to electricity, water and sanitation were 98, 90 and 80 percent, respectively.

Between 2000 y 2002, access to electricity increased from 63 to 90 percent in the population living in extreme poverty in rural areas. Access to drinking water increased from 38 to 58 percent, while access to sanitation services increased only from 22 to 26 percent. While almost 70 percent of the moderate poor have their own house, only 5 percent indicated that they were paying for their house, which is an indicator of the predominantly self-financed purchase and construction process.

The crisis of 1994-1995 was a setback for Mexico: between 1996 and 2002, extreme poverty decreased by 17 percentage points to 20 percent, only one percentage point below the level prior to the 1994 crisis.

The decreases in extreme poverty at the rural and national levels are statistically significant; the decrease in urban poverty is not statistically significant. Only between 4 and 9 percent still live on less than one dollar a day, a level close to that found in some of the world's poorest countries.

Inequality in Mexico has tended to be counter-cyclical: it was reduced by the 1994-1995 crisis, but increased with the 1996-2000 recovery and was then reduced by the 2000-2003 stagnation. After having reached the already very high Latin American average, Mexico fell slightly under the average in 2002.

About one quarter of those living in extreme poverty in Mexico reside in urban areas in the states in the center of the country.

While total spending increased on average by 6.3 percent a year between 2000 and 2002, social development spending increased on average by 5.3 percent a year and poverty reduction spending increased by 14.2 percent annually. Overall, the growth in social spending since the mid-1990s was achieved despite fiscal constraints.

Spending on programs specifically targeted to the poor now represents 1.3 percent of GDP, compared with 0.7 percent in 1990. Programs involving transfers to the poor, spearheaded by OPORTUNIDADES (formerly PROGRESA) have since their creation grown by 8.4 percent a year on average during the 1990s and by still more (9.8 percent) since 2000.

Source (http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/LACEXT/MEXICOEXTN/0,,contentMDK:20233967~pagePK:141137~piPK:141127~theSitePK:338397,00.html)

[starbreaker666]

Markos wrote...

I'm not for illegal immigration. I do understand that they are people trying to make their way in life. They are seeking an opportunity to make their situation better. They can't do that in Mexico, can you blame them for trying in the US? You guys speak to the mistreatment of the poor Iraqi citizens but you could care less about our neighbors. Have you seen the poverty in Mexico first hand?

No one has a problem with people wanting ot come to this country to better their lives. They do have a problem with them doin git ILLEGALY! You obviously do not understand that term.

[Waifer2112]

Shees, i figured you would be all for these folks doin this, with your typical anti US sentiments..:flipoff2:

This just shows how this issue crosses all party and economic lines. Yet the people we elected won't listen to us. WTF???:mad:

[Markos]

Originally posted by starbreaker666:
No one has a problem with people wanting ot come to this country to better their lives. They do have a problem with them doin git ILLEGALY! You obviously do not understand that term.

Yes, I cannot comprehend legality issues. I got C's in most of my legal courses in college...

You must have never been in a situation where you would take all means necessary (illegal or legal) to rectify a situation. I simply stated that I don't blame them for trying. I


edit:
Originally posted by 82'CJ7:If we have enough time to rant about it on this forum then we have enough time to take off on monday..and or a half of a day to do what is right. Bring out your flags...support your country!!


Oh yeah, if you think that you'll be the only one waving American flag you are sadly mistaken. Pull up any news clip from the last march. When you see the American flags, just blame it on a liberal media agenda...

[Yota]

Granted, I would not want to live there, myself, but Mexico has sophisticated, cities. I am tired of this image of the whole country being some sort of wasteland and all the habitants are hopelessly poverty stricken. Mexico City for example is quite sophisticated, has many large colleges, and tons of commerce. I agree that free enterprise may be very different here, but they do have opportunity down there to get an education and make something of themselves.

May 1st is the biggest joke, ever. Most Mexicans don't even understand the holiday. It's like valentines Day, sell more beer, tequila, etc. The day is hardly celebrated in Mexico itself. It's an americanized consumer-induced event. You see it on TV, "Celebrate Cinco de Mayo", Why? Because money is made, thats why.

Definetly don't disrespect my country and ask to stay, as mentioned. I would barely be able to contain myself if I see that happen in front of me.

Mexico's cities are modern and pretty normal. I've been all over Mexico from Villahermosa in the south, el DF, Veracruz, Chihuahua, the border towns (Ojinaga, Nuevo Laredo, Matamoros), and Monterrey. It's a good country. It is not as third-world as some people believe but there is a lot of poverty down there. Even most of the cities have pretty nasty ghettos. But there is a solid middle class in Mexico - it just needs to be much bigger.

The poverty, in my opinion is a result of 70+ years of corruption at the hands of the PRI party. Only recently did they elect Vicente Fox who's the first non-PRI presidente in 70+ yrs. But many of the governorships, mayorships, and local politics are still controlled by the PRI. That country needs to get its corruption problem under control, and I think they are making progress but it will take time.

As far as May 1, I don't think that is an official Mexican holiday. Mayday (May 1) internationally is considered Communist Workers day or something like that and it was celebrated mostly in the Soviet-influenced and Maoist communist bloc states. But communist parties in non-communist states often hold rallies on those days. In America it is sometimes referred to as International Workers Day but it is mostly a day for communist rallies.


May Day has long been a focal point for demonstrations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonstration) by various socialist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist), communist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist), and anarchist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist) groups. In some circles, bonfires are lit in commemoration of the Haymarket Riot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_Riot) usually right as the first day of May begins. In the 20th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_century), May Day received the official endorsement of the Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union); celebrations in communist countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_state) during the Cold War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War) era often consisted of large military parades and shows of common people in support of the government.

[ZJbrandon]

Only half, ok.

106 million peeps is alot.

[Steve]

I agree with the previous posts by sweater and whited - I think I'll go home sick now. :eek:

Edit: Page 3 is mine. :P

:beer:

[Pilot]

The Indians had their shot. Their culture was stone age and primitive compared to the Europeans. They failed. The Mexicans had their shot. They were either bought off and/or lost militarily. They failed. The African slaves that were brought here were mistreated, but are now in a much better society than what they left. Many of their ancestors are faling.

Get over the past and stop using it as an excuse for not getting ahead.

[jeepinwelch]

You must have never been in a situation where you would take all means necessary (illegal or legal) to rectify a situation. I simply stated that I don't blame them for trying. I
I'll concede on that point. I don't blame them for trying. That still does not make it legal. It is illegal to rob a store but if the person was doing it to feed his family does that make it ok? Most criminals can justify their acts but it still doesn't make it legal.

[ZJbrandon]

The poverty, in my opinion is a result of 70+ years of corruption at the hands of the PRI party. Only recently did they elect Vicente Fox who's the first non-PRI presidente in 70+ yrs. But many of the governorships, mayorships, and local politics are still controlled by the PRI. That country needs to get its corruption problem under control, and I think they are making progress but it will take time.

this is very much along the lines of what the Mexicans I hung out with in Mexico City were saying to me last fall.


As far as May 1, I don't think that is an official Mexican holiday. Mayday (May 1) internationally is considered Communist Workers day or something like that and it was celebrated mostly in the Soviet-influenced and Maoist communist bloc states. But communist parties in non-communist states often hold rallies on those days. In America it is sometimes referred to as International Workers Day but it is mostly a day for communist rallies.

Not the story I got from educated Mexicans - there may be some new incarnations, but one that goes back is a small town in Mexico defeated a french invasion, on this day. forget the name of the town, but they do celebrate it, as expected, but it's not really a "country-wide" celebration. nowhere new the excitement that their true "independence day" creates, esp. in Mexico city.

[starbreaker666]

Oh yeah, if you think that you'll be the only one waving American flag you are sadly mistaken. Pull up any news clip from the last march. When you see the American flags, just blame it on a liberal media agenda...


Most things are to blame from the Lib Biased Media.

[whited]

Regarding the very touching posts earlier regarding 'trying to rectify situations' ::

I wasn't aware poverty was a justification for crime.

[Steve]

AAAAAGGGGGHHHHH Get out of my head whited. After some previous exchanges we're not supposed to be thinking the same on an issue, are we? :flipoff2:

:beer:

[whited]

The only problem arises when you start talking about illegals' kids that were
born here. Perhaps the law should read "kids of citizen parents shall be citizens." I dunno.

[Sound_Man]

Joining illegal immigrants in their march on May 1: radical Islamic front groups the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/lgf-search.php?searchWith=lgf&searchWhat=entries&searchTime=0&searchString=Muslim+Public+Affairs+Council&doSearch=search)), the Muslim Students Association (MSA (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/lgf-search.php?searchWith=lgf&searchWhat=entries&searchTime=0&searchString=muslim+students+association&doSearch=search)), the Muslim American Society (MAS (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/lgf-search.php?searchWith=lgf&searchString=muslim+american+society&doSearch=search)), and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/lgf-search.php?searchWith=lgf&searchWhat=entries&searchTime=0&searchString=CAIR&doSearch=search)): CAIR are now in the mix- will march with illegals (http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=10715). (Hat tip: Fjordman.)

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=20300_Muslim_Groups_Will_March_with_Illegals&only

Illegals and muslims united ...... Get out the tinfoil hats this could get good.

[Gags]

Would everyone feel the same if all the illegal immigrants happened to be hot Ukraine chicks?

[Pavement Sucks]

Whos going to mowe my lawn on monday? Does this mean that i can order my food on monday with having to speak broken spanish? Sweet. :)

[Markos]

Originally posted by Whited:
Regarding the very touching posts earlier regarding 'trying to rectify situations' ::

I wasn't aware poverty was a justification for crime.

Nor was I attempting to make you aware of such a statement. In fact, I never said poverty is justification for crime. Are you aware that poverty is a motivation for crime?

Once again, I can't blame them for trying to make there way in the US. Do they have any other option? No work in Mexico, no Legal option in the US. Will the US allow each illegal to become a citizen? If they would, illegals wouldn't be marching in the streets would they?

In regard to the poverty situation. Half of the country is poverty stricken. Does that mean that one could travel to a mexican town and have a 50% chance of meeting a middle or upper class mexican citizen? I don't think so, unless you are in a major metropolitan area such as Mexico City.

[starbreaker666]

Would everyone feel the same if all the illegal immigrants happened to be hot Ukraine chicks?

I would. I am so sick of them people that even if it was the Swedish Bikini tTeam i'd turn them in in a heart beat.

[Pilot]

Would everyone feel the same if all the illegal immigrants happened to be hot Ukraine chicks?

Yes, we have strict quotas for them, meaning ALL hot Ukraine chicks must come here. (100% quota)

[Gags]

At least they make sure terrorists don't cross the border from Mexico. That would f@ck their whole game up.

Just because you cross a border illegally does not mean you are no longer a human with rights.

[Gags]

I would. I am so sick of them people that even if it was the Swedish Bikini tTeam i'd turn them in in a heart beat.


Blaspheme. Inquisition for Starbreaker.

[Waifer2112]

At least they make sure terrorists don't cross the border from Mexico. That would f@ck their whole game up.

Just because you cross a border illegally does not mean you are no longer a human with rights.

Which is why we don't treat them the way they treat illegals in their own country. They get free medical. Better than me. I can't afford to get sick.

[sweater]

I agree with the previous posts by sweater and whited - I think I'll go home sick now. :eek:
Why does this surprise you? Me:

http://planetbantz.com/imghost/co4x4/libertarian.png

:beer:

- mike

[starbreaker666]

At least they make sure terrorists don't cross the border from Mexico. That would f@ck their whole game up.

Just because you cross a border illegally does not mean you are no longer a human with rights.

MS-13 has brought "foreigners" accross many times...

Rights, WTF are you talking about? IF YOU CROSS ILLEGALY you have no rights!!!!!!:rant: :rant: :rant:

[starbreaker666]

Blaspheme. Inquisition for Starbreaker.

I am just so tired of these folks I have become VERY intolorant and borderline racist I hate to say.

[Gags]

MS-13 has brought "foreigners" accross many times...

Rights, WTF are you talking about? IF YOU CROSS ILLEGALY you have no rights!!!!!!:rant: :rant: :rant:


Go easy brother. People are people even if you are angry with them. You just can't go around killing illegal immigrants can you? So they must have some human-rights.

I try to look at it from the other perspective.

[Markos]

Originally posted by Starbreaker666:
WTF are you talking about? IF YOU CROSS ILLEGALY you have no rights!!!!!!

Starbreaker,

Beleive it or not there is a difference between legal rights and human rights...

[Gags]

I am just so tired of these folks I have become VERY intolorant and borderline racist I hate to say.


And that's how it happens. I'm not judging you.

[starbreaker666]

Go easy brother. People are people even if you are angry with them. You just can't go around killing illegal immigrants can you? So they must have some human-rights.

I try to look at it from the other perspective.

NO not killing.... just make them go away. Gah I should not waiste so much energy being pissed. aint healthy but DAMN it's hard and I think maybe my "racist" comment is not the right term as they just as human as I. MAybe I mean I have become very very intolorant of the way they, all illegals, moosh off society and hve no intention of doing things the legal proper way.

[Gags]

I try to remember (keep in mind) that some illegals will produce awesome porn-stars, strippers, ect. Then it's impossible for me to get that upset. In fact, I wouldn't mind giving some peoples citizenship to certain illegals.

[starbreaker666]

Originally posted by Starbreaker666:


Starbreaker,

Beleive it or not there is a difference between legal rights and human rights...

Not is some peoples eyes.

[sweater]

I find it curious and disturbing that the news of a planned-to-be-peaceful protest, something that is one of the most sacred activities of a good American, was met with several people planning on arming themselves.

You guys really aren't serious, are you? And if you're aren't, it's a helluva bad joke.

- mike

[sweater]

MAybe I mean I have become very very intolorant of the way they, all illegals, moosh off society and hve no intention of doing things the legal proper way.
"All" illegals, huh?

Talk to the fiancee of a friend of mine (through my own fiancee...).

He's here illegally.

He's fully-versed in English - like real, proper English that he learned and specifically practices with people like my fiancee. He works here illegally but is also studying to become a citizen. He can't understand why these people are demanding amnesty, and doesn't understand why they're flying the Mexican flag. He very eloquently described his confusion over that, in that in Mexico, no one's that proud of their country. But once you cross the border, somehow that Mexican flag gains some magical power and becomes the rallying point for a large portion of these immigrants (illegal and legal). He sees it for what it is: a rather decently-sized Fawk You to the powers-that-be.

When you make blanket statements like that, expect the reaction that you're getting, starbreaker. If you've already written "all" of these people off, please leave the debate to people more objective than you. Seriously. I'm completely against anyone's ideas that come from either side in such an extreme way.

- mike

[Gags]

I love Mexicans. Food, boxing, women, machismo...

[whited]

I understand that you never said that, Markos, and I may have put words in
your mouth. I understand they are poor and want to make things better.
But turning to a life of crime is not the answer, and since I don't deal in
half measures, I find no excuse for illegal aliens of any stripe.

Are you aware that poverty is a motivation for crime?

I can't blame them for trying to make there way in the US.

Of course I am, and so is everyone else on this board, I'm sure. You're
looking for answers which we all know. We also know why certain people
turn to selling drugs or stealing cars. We also know why people rob
banks and beat their wives. Would you excuse these people from blame, too?

Do they have any other option? No work in Mexico, no Legal option in the US. Will the US allow each illegal to become a citizen? If they would, illegals wouldn't be marching in the streets would they?

There are always options. Your apologetics are ineffective. And of
course each illegal cannot become a citizen. In this country that has never
been the case.

[Gags]

Can no one see this from the other perspective? Take out the prejudice and racism for a second.

[BajaBilly]

Looks like there was a rally yesterday:


http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_3760195

[starbreaker666]

"All" illegals, huh?

Talk to the fiancee of a friend of mine (through my own fiancee...).

He's here illegally.

He's fully-versed in English - like real, proper English that he learned and specifically practices with people like my fiancee. He works here illegally but is also studying to become a citizen. He can't understand why these people are demanding amnesty, and doesn't understand why they're flying the Mexican flag. He very eloquently described his confusion over that, in that in Mexico, no one's that proud of their country. But once you cross the border, somehow that Mexican flag gains some magical power and becomes the rallying point for a large portion of these immigrants (illegal and legal). He sees it for what it is: a rather decently-sized Fawk You to the powers-that-be.

When you make blanket statements like that, expect the reaction that you're getting, starbreaker. If you've already written "all" of these people off, please leave the debate to people more objective than you. Seriously. I'm completely against anyone's ideas that come from either side in such an extreme way.

- mike


No, I think I will stay in the debate. I don't mind and expect the reaction. You don't have to believe the things I do.

[Steve]

Can no one see this from the other perspective?
What is the "other perspective" Gags? There are lots of ways you could attempt to justify lots of illegal activity, but in the end, if something is illegal, it's illegal - period. Doesn't really matter to me why someone broke a law.

In the case of illegal immigrants, they made a very conscious decision to break a federal law, and they should NOT be rewarded for doing so. Does that mean we should shoot them or not give them basic human rights? No. Does it mean we should give them amnesty and reward them. Again, no. Does it mean we should effectively close the border? YES! Does it mean we should penalize illegals and the places that hire (reward) them for their illegal activity? YES! Does it mean we should deport them when they're found? YES!

[Joker]

There are lots of ways you could attempt to justify lots of illegal activity, but in the end, if something is illegal, it's illegal - period. Doesn't really matter to me why someone broke a law.


x2...end of story!

[Rando]

Didn't most of Colorado used to be Mexico? We should kick out the peoples who lived here before we immgrated here cuz they want to immigrate here. Makes sense to me.

http://www.epcc.edu/nwlibrary/borderlands/18_war1848.htm
hell yeah. and all the Mexicans of Spanish decent could give Mexico back to the Mayans.

[Leon Phelps]

Can no one see this from the other perspective? Take out the prejudice and racism for a second.

Come on now Pete, regardless of the predjudice and racism, what they are doing is outright Illegal. Plain and simple.

I can say that predjudices & racism are alive and screaming and kicking with the heating up of immigration reform, but I believe this is plain and simple about the legailty of what any immigrant is doing or not doing to enter this country, and stay.

[bsaunder]

Where did you get this information. It certainly wasn't in your article. During the last march, a majority of the participants were waving American flags. That was in Phoenix, which was a massive march compared to the pidley display put on in Denver. I highly doubt that you will see folks stomping on flags. If you see a pic of this activity, ask if it represented the majority of the group, which will supposedly be enormous. Militant marches? Was the million man march militant?

The march in Denver did have the Mexican flag flying above the American flag, the American flag was being flown upside down, the American flag was being lit and stomped on - granted it was being done by a small subsection that I would like to think of as ignorant individuals that were just there to cause a stir.

[bsaunder]

Granted, they aren't the only ones targeted by the revised laws. However, they are the only ones being targeted by the populace.
Which they further perpetuate when they call on all true Mexicans and Hispanics to rally together for their demonstration - they are not calling for everyone that is sympathetic to their "cause" for all immigrants - they are calling for Hispanic/Mexican support -- While I don't agree with the sterotyping; they are doing themselves no service in embedding it further.

[ColoradoSkier]

Whos going to mowe my lawn on monday? Does this mean that i can order my food on monday with having to speak broken spanish? Sweet. :)

Try Pioneer (Curt) - http://www.swlawncare.com

[sweater]

The march in Denver did have the Mexican flag flying above the American flag, the American flag was being flown upside down, the American flag was being lit and stomped on - granted it was being done by a small subsection that I would like to think of as ignorant individuals that were just there to cause a stir.
You mean that this happened in California (http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/mexicoflag.asp), right?

- mike

[bsaunder]

You mean that this happened in California (http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/mexicoflag.asp), right?

- mike

Happened in the student one in denver too, not on a flag pole that I know of, but on a pole that a student was carrying.

[Waifer2112]

You mean that this happened in California (http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/mexicoflag.asp), right?

- mike

From the above site...

That's when the protesters took to the flagpole, added the Mexican flag and turned the U.S. flag upside down. The school's California flag was stolen in the process, [Assistant Superintendent Robert] Henke said.

:eek:

[Yota]

My fianc? and I spent a LONG time last weekend debating this. We disagree on some stuff, but it really helped me figure out why I have a problem with what I see going on with these protests.

Obviously this country was founded on immigration. Earlier in our history, it was easier to immigrate to the US. It's slightly harder now. When large groups of immigrants came to the US in the past, they did what is natural and socially expected: they banded together to protect themselves from the people in power at the time. The Irish did this in New York, the Chinese did this in San Francisco, the Polish did this in Chicago... How we treat them and how they treat us results in both sides banding together stronger - it's happened with every large population that's come here in the past. This is nothing new.

The Central American (read: Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras...) people have done this very same, expected thing: banded together. Thing is, they've been doing so many of the crap jobs that we won't do that we've allowed a lot of them in. We've wanted the cheap labor, but - go figure - didn't have the foresight to envision the problem of a porous border. So we've ended up with 11 million illegals in our country, a large percentage of which are Hispanic.

When these protestors go about equating a Mexican flag with immigrant's rights is doing these immigrants a disservice. It's a stupid move. If they were marching with an American flag, proudly and loudly yelling about how they want equal protection and representation under that flag, I think a lot more people would support their plight. Problem is, when you spit on someone they're going to get defensive. I can understand their defense of their country (assuming Mexico here, but there are others...). It's just a natural thing to do, to respond to someone that's telling you to discard your homeland, especially if you have family there.

I would LOVE to see a bunch of Swedes walking down the street waving the blue and yellow - I bet they wouldn't be welcomed that easily by those flying the Mexican banner...

Us? We need to give them a chance. Look at the problem openly and objectively. We cannot - CANNOT - kick all these people out. It's a pipe dream that you'll immediately feel and you'd be naive to think otherwise. Jobs won't get done, and if they do get done they'll end up passing on the increased expense to you, Mr. Wallet Holder. Lotsa people want to kick them out, and those same people would be bitching the loudest about the price of their produce.

But them? They need to ditch the whole "Don't you dare fawk with my country" bit. It's old. It's tiresome. It does no one any good and ultimately won't work to solve this issue. If I move to India and start waving an American flag around, I'd get the same response and expect said response.

I guess part of me is proud that they've elected to learn from us as Americans: they feel entitled to keep all of what they've gained. How much more American can you get than that?
:D

- mike

True dat, Mike.

We can't kick them all out. And if we tried, it would mean riots.

But we can tell them that if they leave before a certain time, they will be free to go unmolested. But if they stay, and we find them, they will be felons and will then be imprisoned ($$$$) or deported ($).

But I agree that a lot of the blame for this problem is on us. Ronald Reagan signed a general amnesty into law in the 1980's but did not demand that the border be sealed.

So the message was sent tacitly to Mexico: if you can squat in America long enough, you will win.

The price of produce issue is true too. If we deported them all, prices would go up. Then again, if we let them become citizens and are forced to pay them minimum wage, prices still go up.

But the flip side of that is that now they'll at least be paying taxes. I think either way (amnesty or deportation) we would pay more.

The only option is to have a guest worker program that allows us to fill otherwise unfillable jobs with cheap Mexican labor -- but by which we can control the flow of immigrants.

Ultimately, I don't mind all that much if we have another amnesty as long as it includes an air tight border! I'm talking a wall here too. Any other solution can have its funding/staffing cut by future budgets. But a wall is a wall.

EDIT: ...as long as there are no Mongolians in Mexico. Anyone see that episode of South Park? Funniest.

[whited]

The more I think about this, I get really upset. What makes illegals think
they can come here and abuse me? They are responsible for higher
health and auto insurance rates. I wonder what impact they have on our
crime rates. Anyone know?

I'll pay $2.50/lb for oranges if it means I don't have to listen to cars bumping
down my street or get yelled at when I go for a run.

Illegal aliens.:thumbsdown: This must be dealt with.

[starbreaker666]

I have been saying this and saying this. What is this thing people keep saying? Mexicans do job that Americans won't. Bullshit, pardon language. You might have to pay an American more but so be it. I am ready and MORE then willing to eat that cost.

[JKTODD]

Funny how we can't band together against the greedy liars of oil companies who are holding all of us hostage and shut the country down for a day-yet the protesting illegals and legal immigrants can shut down cities?
:stirpot: :laughing:

[jamie desoto]

Originally posted by Yota:


Where did you get this information. It certainly wasn't in your article. During the last march, a majority of the participants were waving American flags. That was in Phoenix, which was a massive march compared to the pidley display put on in Denver. I highly doubt that you will see folks stomping on flags. If you see a pic of this activity, ask if it represented the majority of the group, which will supposedly be enormous. Militant marches? Was the million man march militant?






[b]Originally posted by bsaunder:




I'm not for illegal immigration. I do understand that they are people trying to make their way in life. They are seeking an opportunity to make their situation better. They can't do that in Mexico, can you blame them for trying in the US? You guys speak to the mistreatment of the poor Iraqi citizens but you could care less about our neighbors. Have you seen the poverty in Mexico first hand?



ok first of all the were in downtown denver waving mexican flags. they did take an american flag and throw it on the ground and stomp on it. how do i know this cause i live 5 blocks from where it happened and i was walking home when i saw it first hand. i dont care if it represented the whole or the few .. they allowed it!


second if you truly think about it. mexico and its citizens have been a country longer then the US they were also populated before that by the most intelegent and most advanced cultures on the planet! so why all of a sudden is everything so hard for them?? i mean they are decendents of these cultures! aztek, myan, inca!! the US was nothing 250 years ago.. it took the hard work of those coming here legally to make it the way it is now. so we should just let them in cause they have it so bad in their country? who let it get that bad to begin with?? its not my problem. my family came here legally id rather not cheapen theirs or my hard work.

below is a description of how hard it is to become a mexican citizen..

Working in Mexico.

Al is a retired Bell Employee and a great fisherman. He's forwarded some
interesting things to say about Mexican processes.

From the other side of the fence.....

Received the following from (Tom O'Malley) who was a Director with SW BELL in Mexico City.

You remember I spent five years working in Mexico. I worked under a tourist Visa for three months and could legally renew it for three more months. After that you were working Illegally. I was technically illegal for three weeks waiting on the FM 3 approval. During that six months our Mexican and US Attorneys were working to secure a permanent work visa called a FM 3. It was in addition to my US passport that I had to show each time I entered and left the country. Barbara's was the same except hers did not permit her to work.

To apply for the FM 3 I needed to submit the following notarized originals (not copies) of my:
1. Birth certificate for Barbara and I
2. Marriage certificate.
3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation.
4. College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of
graduation.
5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked
worked for at least one year.
6. A letter from The ST. Louis Chief of Police indication I had no
arrest record in the US and no outstanding warrants and I was: " a
was citizen in good standing."
7. Finally; I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated
why there was no Mexican Citizen with my skills and why my skills were
important to Mexico. We called it our "I am the greatest person on Earth"
letter. It was fun to write.

All of the above were in English that had to be translated into Spanish and be certified as legal translations and our signatures notarized.

It produced a folder about 1.5 inches thick with English on the left side
and Spanish on the right. Once they were completed Barbara and I spent about five hours accompanied by a Mexican Attorney touring Mexican Government office locations and being photographed and fingerprinted at least three times. At each location and we remember at least four locations we were instructed on Mexican tax, labor, housing, and criminal law and that we were required to obey their laws or face the consequences. We could not protest any of the Governments actions or we would be committing a felony. We paid out four thousand dollars in fees and bribes to complete the process. When this was done we could legally bring in our household goods that were held by US customs in Laredo Texas. This meant we had rented furniture in Mexico while awaiting our goods. There were extensive fees involved here that the company paid.

We could not buy a home and were required to rent at very high rates
and under contract and compliance with Mexican law.
We were required to get a Mexican drivers license. This was an
amazing process. The company arranged for the Licensing agency to come to
our Headquarters location with their photography and finger print equipment
and the laminating machine. We showed our US license, were photographed and fingerprinted again and issued the license instantly after paying out a six
dollar fee. We did not take a written or driving test and never received
instructions on the rules of the road. Our only instruction was never give
a policeman your license if stopped and asked. We were instructed to hold
it against the inside window away from his grasp. If he got his hands on it
you would have to pay ransom to get it back.
We then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the
number of our FM 3 as our ID number. The companies Mexican accountants did this for us and we just signed what they prepared. It was about twenty
legal size pages annually.The FM 3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after paying more fees.

Leaving the country meant turning in the FM# and certifying we were
leaving no debts behind and no outstanding legal affairs (warrants, tickets
or liens) before our household goods were released to customs.

It was a real adventure and If any of our Senators or Congressman
went through it once they would have a different attitude toward Mexico.
The Mexican Government uses its vast military and police forces to
keep its citizens intimidated and compliant. They never protest at their
White house or government offices but do protest daily in front of the
United States Embassy. The US embassy looks like a strongly reinforced
fortress and during most protests the Mexican Military surround the block
with their men standing sholder to shoulder in full riot gear to protect
the Embassy. These protests are never shown on US or Mexican TV. There is a large public park across the street where they do their protesting.
Anything can cause a protest such as proposed law changes in California or
Texas.

.............

so tell me why we should just hand over the keys to this country when its so hard to get into mexico legally ??? looks like there getting something for no hard work and basicly nothing

[sweater]

But the flip side of that is that now they'll at least be paying taxes. I think either way (amnesty or deportation) we would pay more.
Not true - consider the issue that someone posted about here earlier on: that employers looking to hire these guys do take a SS# down. They send info along to the SS Administration, and 8 months later it comes back as not being legit.

You still think that employer is collecting taxes from those paychecks? Yessiree.

If he's not? Jail time for the employer.

Some - not all, but some - are paying taxes. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

FWIW, part of me wants to see these sorts of demonstrations continue. I happen to believe that the general American public will not support this kind of stuff, and that this will degrade into issues of capitulating to the demands of a foreign entity within our borders.

Eh, let 'em screw themselves.

- mike

[Tiffany]

Damn, Chipotle is planning on letting ALL of their Mexican employees have the day off to go protest.

I actually liked Chipotle...:(

[Yota]

Not true - consider the issue that someone posted about here earlier on: that employers looking to hire these guys do take a SS# down. They send info along to the SS Administration, and 8 months later it comes back as not being legit.

You still think that employer is collecting taxes from those paychecks? Yessiree.

If he's not? Jail time for the employer.

Some - not all, but some - are paying taxes. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

FWIW, part of me wants to see these sorts of demonstrations continue. I happen to believe that the general American public will not support this kind of stuff, and that this will degrade into issues of capitulating to the demands of a foreign entity within our borders.

Eh, let 'em screw themselves.

- mike

I was saying that if we grant an amnesty then the illegals won't be illegal any longer and they should begin paying taxes.

I agree they are not paying taxes right now. Which means that our cheap produce comes at the expense healthcare and education in places like California. The rest of us pay for their free healthcare and free education for their little hijos.

[CSP]

Granted, they aren't the only ones targeted by the revised laws. However, they are the only ones being targeted by the populace. I hear more racist, deragatory remarks thrown at Mexicans and Latinos on this board than any other. Does one forget that there are entire districts in cities such as Chicago, Denver, etc where the habbitants speak a non-english language. I can walk through Chicago and hear nothing but Polish, Chinese. There are large groups of Vietnamese immigrants here who do not speak english.

Do you really wonder why it's the population here illegaly from Mexico that are being targeted???

How many Polish wander in at the US/Poland border? How many Chinese wander in at the US/China border? How many Vietnamese wander in at the US/Vietnam border? Oh wait, we don't share a border with those countries and the vast numbers of illegal (and legal) immigrants from those countries are pale in comparison to Mexico.

Seems pretty logical that illegals from Mexico are being "targeted".

[CLYDE]

Would everyone feel the same if all the illegal immigrants happened to be hot Ukraine chicks?That, all depends on the proximity, of the little irish woman i cohabitate with...

[CLYDE]

I find it curious and disturbing that the news of a planned-to-be-peaceful protest, something that is one of the most sacred activities of a good American, was met with several people planning on arming themselves.

You guys really aren't serious, are you? And if you're aren't, it's a helluva bad joke.

- mikeCount me in the full tinfoil bodysuit crowd on this one, not monday, but sometime in the not to distant future, things are going to get real ugly, but I have been preparing for that eventuality for years...

[Sound_Man]

Count me in the full tinfoil bodysuit crowd on this one, not monday, but sometime in the not to distant future, things are going to get real ugly, but I have been preparing for that eventuality for years...

Me too, remember the are you prepared thread.....

[CLYDE]

I love Mexicans. Food, boxing, women, machismo...sorry, I like my women, with a bit less visible body hair,, personal preference thing...

[sweater]

That, all depends on the proximity, of the little irish woman i cohabitate with...
Screw that - tell her sisters to come over here from Ireland, too!!!

mmmmmmmmm.......


....red hair and green eyes..............



Probably too much info about me,
mike
:D

[CLYDE]

Me too, remember the are you prepared thread.....very well.

[Yota]

Originally posted by Starbreaker666:


Starbreaker,

Beleive it or not there is a difference between legal rights and human rights...

True. And their human rights are completely intact.

We give these people free education, free healthcare (ever heard of Vecinos de Salud?) and very cheap housing. And they are afforded the right to free speech.

No, their *human* rights remain unviolated. And their rights under our constitution have been hashed out over decades of case law in the courts. Anyone caught violating their *human* rights would run afoul of our laws and would be prosecuted accordingly.

What we're talking about is enforcing the laws of this country, not about violating simple human rights.

I'll tell you who violates *human* rights. The human traffickers who, for one specific example, pack dozens of illegals into a semi trailer and then abandon them on the side of some highway when it's over 100 degrees out. Result: many dead people. That happened a few years back when I lived in TX. Disgusting.

[BajaBilly]

Damn, Chipotle is planning on letting ALL of their Mexican employees have the day off to go protest.

I actually liked Chipotle...:(


DAMN! I liked them too.

I just confirmed this with the manager at the Pennsylvania Street Chipotle.
Then after he let me know, I think he realized he shouldn't of said anything and started asking me questions.
He did try and cover by saying that all Chipotle's will be open on Monday.

Well, goodbye Chipotle!

[Rk Crlr]

I need to see a doctor...After reading this I found a agreed w/ whited and a couple of sweater's post (a couple above).

At least I know I'm not totally crazy as I agreed with the regular crew.

Just a couple pts to add:

1) using the minumum number as 12 million illegals. Amesty or any no exporting plan would result in a HUGE hit to our social services. That 12 million would be able to bring in family....so increase the number to closer to 30 million and add the resultant population boom, plus babys born then as citizens. It would be HUGE.

2) Should all these illegals suddenly become citizens and gain all our rights, the cost of imploying them goes up. S0 does you prices. In order to keep the prices down and costs low the employers who now use illegals have no reason not to fire the now legal immigrants and hire new illegals. Now we have a HUGE group of people who can legally demand services and can't be employeed.

3) we don't need to deport them all. They will do it themselves when they can't get work and face possible jail time. This is evident in places near the border that have high law enforcement/ military/ ICE. Those town have few illegal workers.

[JKTODD]

Just imagine what will happen if 500 INS agents went into the projected crowd of 250,000 and started arresting people.

Do you suppose it would get ugly then?

[Pilot]

3) we don't need to deport them all. They will do it themselves when they can't get work and face possible jail time.


Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

[Gags]

Come on now Pete, regardless of the predjudice and racism, what they are doing is outright Illegal. Plain and simple.

I can say that predjudices & racism are alive and screaming and kicking with the heating up of immigration reform, but I believe this is plain and simple about the legailty of what any immigrant is doing or not doing to enter this country, and stay.

Yeah, true. I had to at least make an attempt. For Jessica Alba.

[al24]

If any of the guest-worker, or amnesty, plans now pending in Congress are approved, the nation will experience an even greater flood of illegal aliens than in the wake of President Reagan's 1986 amnesty program, said several officials.
Under the Immigration and Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA), INS added 1,000 inspectors -- bringing the total to 2,000 -- and they were not able to enforce the employer sanctions and fraud laws outlined in the bill, said the former immigration official. The law-enforcement authorities and immigration officials said IRCA was designed to address a population of fewer than 3 million illegal aliens.
"The illegals kept flooding in ... and now we have another fine mess, this time with marching in the streets," he said, adding that newly arriving illegal labor under a guest-worker program will compete against those granted legal status and can be paid less because they will have no recourse or appeal.
"It is not likely that the smuggling and illegal labor industry will just shut down due to a guest-worker program," he said.
IRCA was considered key among government efforts to revamp its immigration system, a "one-time-only" deal passed by a Republican-controlled Senate, a Democrat-controlled House and approved by Mr. Reagan. It was part of a compromise package between those who wanted to reduce illegal immigration and others who wanted to "wipe the slate clean" by granting legal residency to illegal aliens already in the country.
The act granted legal status to 2.7 million illegal aliens, mostly Mexican nationals who had lived and worked in the United States for anywhere from 90 days for agricultural workers to a year for others. It also granted legal residency to 160,000 of their spouses and children. Although the act mandated employer sanctions, or fines, for those who knowingly hired illegals, they were rarely enforced.


Smaller government.
Less taxes.
No funding.

[jtw2]

I find it curious and disturbing that the news of a planned-to-be-peaceful protest, something that is one of the most sacred activities of a good American, was met with several people planning on arming themselves.

You guys really aren't serious, are you? And if you're aren't, it's a helluva bad joke.

- mike


damn skippy I'm serious. If they stay peacefull then we won't have a problem. I get cought in a riot then I'm ready to shoot my way out of said riot.

I find it curious that guys like you don't understand that there are a hell of a lot of guys like me who take defending ourselves, our families and our country seriously.

[Rk Crlr]

I forgot to put that no matter what they do...the border has to be secured first. Otherwise the flood will continue. Speaking of... where is the ecofreaks on this issue as the illegals are trashing the border desert areas?
The poor yellow bellied sap sucker is being disturbed by all the illegal traffic and the black tailed chipmunk is eating the cocaine residue in the dropped packaging. Not to mention the blight to the desert with all the paths beings added
:P

[skulltoy]

Haha, just say on NBC nightly news, someone asked President Bush if he had heard the new version of the national anthem. He said, "yes, and I think it should be sang in english, and I think that anyone that wants to be a citizen of this country should learn english."

:hail: :) :hail: :)

[BajaBilly]

Haha, just say on NBC nightly news, someone asked President Bush if he had heard the new version of the national anthem. He said, "yes, and I think it should be sang in english, and I think that anyone that wants to be a citizen of this country should learn english."

:hail: :) :hail: :)


I just watched that vid of him saying that off of
http://msnbc.msn.com/


Man was that a sweet thing to hear!

[skulltoy]

Handlebar and grill was just on 9 News saying they are going to be closed on monday for this rally.

303.778.6761
305 S. Downing
Denver, CO 80209

[Gunter]

Whos going to mowe my lawn on monday? Does this mean that i can order my food on monday with having to speak broken spanish? Sweet. :)
i am hitting the drive through on monday lunch--MAYBE my order will be right for a change?

[skulltoy]

I just watched that vid of him saying that off of
http://msnbc.msn.com/


Man was that a sweet thing to hear!

Here is the direct link to that video.

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=51ada60c-9778-49e8-8d57-ed094c7f96d7&f=00&fg=copy

[Gunter]

What is the "other perspective" Gags? There are lots of ways you could attempt to justify lots of illegal activity, but in the end, if something is illegal, it's illegal - period. Doesn't really matter to me why someone broke a law.

In the case of illegal immigrants, they made a very conscious decision to break a federal law, and they should NOT be rewarded for doing so. Does that mean we should shoot them or not give them basic human rights? No. Does it mean we should give them amnesty and reward them. Again, no. Does it mean we should effectively close the border? YES! Does it mean we should penalize illegals and the places that hire (reward) them for their illegal activity? YES! Does it mean we should deport them when they're found? YES!
holy crap............i agree......................i am all sick now................

[nomo4x4]

Riots in the making??? I think these "protest" are going to get really ugly sooner or later. I know of no one that supports or agrees with illegal immigration. There may be over 12 million illegals in the US right now, but we still have them out numbered. :D I'm gonna be pissed if I have to deal with anything realted to the protests... If I see any disrespect/distruction of the flag that represents MY country I may be part of a riot...:mad:

[Rk Crlr]

The commies and the racists that organize these protests have learned something from their last ones. They are telling the illegals to not fly Mexicans flags, to not deface the US flag, or to do anything that will piss us off.
They will not start a riot on purpose. Although anything can happen (think the MLK march a few years back, etc). The Pro illegal PR people will try to put a better face on it than it really has.
I hope the numbers are huge. This scares the average citizen to see that many illegals who are making demands of them. I also hope for something to go wrong (although no serious injuries) that will hurt the illegal cause.

[al24]

I also hope for something to go wrong (although no serious injuries) that will hurt the illegal cause.
Semi serious injuries are OK then?

[Steve]

holy crap............i agree......................i am all sick now................
Didn't think it would ever happen, did ya Scott. :flipoff2:

And as for illegals becoming legal "guest workers" and paying taxes, be very careful what you wish for. Our current tax system rewards low wage earners who have children. Heard of the Earned Income Credit? Many of them would get refunds for far more than they paid in.

[Rk Crlr]

I heard the other day the average amnesty granted illegal (last amnesty) cost us $55,000 per year MORE than they paid into taxes. That's some serious debt.

[al24]

I heard the other day the average amnesty granted illegal (last amnesty) cost us $55,000 per year MORE than they paid into taxes. That's some serious debt.
Source?

[BajaBilly]

Semi serious injuries are OK then?


"Yeah. 220... 221, whatever it takes."-Jack Butler

[al24]

Are you crazy? You don't feed a baby chili!

[Justin Denard]

You mean that this happened in California, right?

- mike

HOLY SH*T! I had seen that pic, but never realized it happened not but A COUPLE MILES FROM ME. I am currently attending Whittier College, and Whittier High is just up the road, well Fawk. They're going to have a protest on the school commons May 1st, there are flyers all over for it. Needless to say May 1st should be interesting for me, being in the sh*t of it.

[freestyle_6981]

Hey Clyde, My heep may not be bulletproff. But luckily being a member of the armed forces, I do have 2 bulletproff vests in my closet, which happen to be the same one we have in Iraq, so I know they work.:) Let 'em come to my house. :hail: :hail: They will be saying "por favor no dispare." And I will be yelling, "Vaminos, La Migra.":flipoff2:

[Pilot]

Funny how we can't band together against the greedy liars of oil companies who are holding all of us hostage and shut the country down for a day-yet the protesting illegals and legal immigrants can shut down cities?


And we'll save a lot more money by not paying their health care and social security costs which the get FREE, as our insurance and taxes go up. They are STEALING from us, pure and simple.

Makes me want to go MS-13 hunting.

[zillacon]

Illegal Immigration in Colorado
144,000 illegal immigrants resided in Colorado as of 2000, according to INS figures.40 This is 122 percent higher than the previous INS estimate in 1996 and 255 percent higher than the estimate for 1992, giving Colorado the tenth largest illegal alien population in the country.41,42

In spite of the recent economic downturn, illegal immigrants continue to flood into Colorado. A record 12,138 illegal immigrants were arrested in Colorado, Wyoming and Utah in 2002, a 12-fold increase in three years. This was a 32 percent jump over 2001 in arrests, most of which (9,747) were made in Colorado.43 Illegal immigration comes at a heavy cost to Coloradoans, creating a variety of costs like health care and education, at a time when the state is burdened with a predicted $900 million deficit by 2004.44

Colorado authorities requested compensation of $24 million from the federal government in FY?99 for the incarceration of illegal aliens in state and local jails and prisons (under the federal State Criminal Alien Assistance Program, or SCAAP), but it received only $9.2 million in compensation, leaving $14.8 in uncompensated costs to be borne by Colorado taxpayers.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research6940

[zillacon]

Every American citizen needs to read this


Here's what Article 16 of the Mexican Constitution states:

"In cases of flagrante delicto, any person may arrest the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities."

From Article 33 of the Mexican Constitution:

"[T]he Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action."

"Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country."

Article 32 of the Mexican Constitution:

"Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable

[zillacon]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f219/powerwagon67/image6.jpg

Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.





"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

[BajaBilly]

An email going around:



Great American Boycott, May 1st,2006.

PLEASE READ & DO THIS.
WE have a super serious problem!!

WASHINGTON (AFP) Immigrants' rights advocates,
elated by the resounding success of Monday's
"National Day of Action," which drew the backing
of hundreds of thousands of protesters across the
United States, now are planning a national boycott
which they hope will have an even greater resonance.

Organizers are planning the May 1 "Great American
Boycott," urging illegal immigrants -- who cannot
vote and who have only limited political power --
to flex their economic muscle.

Protesters are being urged to refrain from shopping,
and to stay away from school and work.
You should take a moment to let that sink in!

This is a movement orchestrated by people who
entered the US illegally, and then want to scream
about their "rights."
WHAT RIGHTS? YOU DON'T EVEN BELONG HERE!

Let's take a look at some of the many benefits that
illegal aliens have blessed our great country with:

Let's see... there are Street gangs, graffitti, drugs,
skyrocketing healthcare, depreciation of property
value, illiteracy.

The list could go on. What they actually have to offer
(cheap labor) pales to what they have given our
country to deal with. I'll take expensive vegetables
over expensive healthcare anyday!

And now, like terrorists, they are going to attack our
economy -- the one entity that makes our nation
stand out from all the others.

The backbone of our nation. The country they came
to like locusts so they could reap the benefits is now
the focus of their boycott.

You've seen it on TV:
Marching on our American streets waving THEIR
country's flags, boldly showing that they can be
more racist than those who they accuse of being
racists, and yet the obvious is totally oblivious to
them......
IF YOU'VE GOT IT SO BAD HERE, THEN LEAVE!!!

To all the real Americans, you can do one small
thing on May 1st, 2006.

It won't be racist, nor will it be violent.

It will not be boastful, arrogant, selfish, nor distasteful.

It will not be any of those things that our "guests"
have already displayed.

What it will do is nullify a movement.

All you have to do is buy something on May 1st!

Make up for what they will try to take away.
It doesn't have to be a new car or house (unless
you were already planning on getting one).

It simply needs to be a day of trading.
Hold off grocery buying until May 1st.

Take your wife out to eat that Monday night.

Get the kids pizza, hamburgers, whatever!

Make several trips to the convenience store.

Buy your meals at work.

Fill up your tank.

Shop for clothes, furniture, outdoor equipment.

If it needs to be b