None of the DNA Matches

[denverd0n]

So, what do you think? They collected the DNA samples immediately upon her making the complaint, which--according to her story--was almost immediately after the attack. Hard to believe that there could be no DNA evidence at all, linked to any of the guys she accused.

Another Tawana Brawley? That's what I'm thinking. Like, they didn't tip her as much as she thought she deserved so she cooked up this story to try to get even. Of course, the media swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. Do you suppose that any of the pundits who have already publicly tried and convicted the boys will apologize for anything, or even admit that maybe they were a bit hasty?

NAAAAH! What am I thinkin'?

[OlBlueCJ7]

WTF are you talking about?

[Waifer2112]

So, what do you think? They collected the DNA samples immediately upon her making the complaint, which--according to her story--was almost immediately after the attack. Hard to believe that there could be no DNA evidence at all, linked to any of the guys she accused.

Another Tawana Brawley? That's what I'm thinking. Like, they didn't tip her as much as she thought she deserved so she cooked up this story to try to get even. Of course, the media swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. Do you suppose that any of the pundits who have already publicly tried and convicted the boys will apologize for anything, or even admit that maybe they were a bit hasty?

NAAAAH! What am I thinkin'?

I know what you're talking about, but it may be helpful to others to provide a link?;)

[Snotty]

Why, make some other people do the damn research! I alse read that there is photographic evidence of physical trama before they got there.

[Tiffany]

What was it, 48 guys and not one of them matched any DNA samples.

That is ridiculous.

[Steve]

Do you suppose that any of the pundits who have already publicly tried and convicted the boys will apologize for anything, or even admit that maybe they were a bit hasty?

Not only no, but HELL NO they won't. :rolleyes:

It's impossible to believe she was gang-raped by three guys, and yet there are no DNA matches from anybody in attendance at the party. The DA says he can still prosecute given that, but I'd have to think it's pretty much a slam dunk for the defense if he does.

[Gags]

Not only no, but HELL NO they won't. :rolleyes:

It's impossible to believe she was gang-raped by three guys, and yet there are no DNA matches from the "suspects." The DA says he can still prosecute given that, but I'd have to think it's pretty much a slam dunk for the defense if he does.

How does one get gang-raped without at least one of the perps getting their DNA on the victim. Nails, hair, blood, semen, skin cells, saliva, animal hair(if she had pets or the perps did)...

[jdogg4]

WTF are you talking about?

[sames]

Do you think that there may be some drawbacks to 24 hour news coverage. This is just one example of "to hell with finding the truth, it takes way to long" news coverage. Remember Katrina and the reported gun fights, rapes in the superdome etc. Freedom of the press is an essential part of our success as a nation. Responsibility by the press is critical to maintaining that freedom.

[sweater]

Do you suppose that any of the pundits who have already publicly tried and convicted the boys will apologize for anything, or even admit that maybe they were a bit hasty?

If they recant, I'll stand by it: they seem to deserve the scrutiny they're getting. A member of the lacross team, Ryan McFadyen, wrote an email (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0405061duke5.html) to his fellow teammates.
According to the warrant, a copy of which you'll find below, the e-mail was provided to Durham cops by a confidential source who received the correspondence from McFadyen's Duke e-mail account at 1:58 AM on March 14. According to the dancer, she was attacked earlier that morning at a team party (the woman and another dancer had been hired for $400 to perform at a home rented by three of the squad's captains).
I can't quote what he wrote here. If that's the kind of communication that was going on between them, they're pigs. I have no sympathy for 'em.

- mike

[Trango]

Of course it didn't match. Lacrosse players are catchers. They're the guys who tried to convince us that running around with pads on was just as rough as rugby.

[Yota]

It's not that none of the DNA matches, it's that there was no foreign DNA found.

But that doesn't mean there couldn't have been a rape. It just means they will have a *much* harder time proving it if there was.

[starbreaker666]

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit.



No case.

[Snotty]

How do you gang rape someone and not leave any evidence behind?

[Tiffany]

How do you gang rape someone and don't leave any evidence behind?

Very carefully?

[Steve]

I can't quote what he wrote here. If that's the kind of communication that was going on between them, they're pigs. I have no sympathy for 'em.

- mike
Yeah, maybe they are pigs. Does that mean they should be (potentially) wrongfully accused of rape, which could put them in jail for life, and be subject to a smear job by the press? Being a pig & committing rape...hmmm...not quite equal there Mike. If we're going to publicly persecute college kids for being pigs, let's start with a large portion of the student body at CU...or CSU...or pick a school.

[Gags]

Yeah, maybe they are pigs. Does that mean they should be (potentially) wrongfully accused of rape, which could put them in jail for life, and be subject to a smear job by the press? Being a pig & committing rape...hmmm...not quite equal there Mike. If we're going to publicly persecute college kids for being pigs, let's start with a large portion of the student body at CU...or CSU...or pick a school.


Hasn't everyone committed a piggish act before? Young and stupid...maybe drunk?

Girls now, are as bad as guys...Which is awesome by the way.

[jnschwie]

Can't take credit, grabbed this elsewhere:

2. Duke Lacross Rape Case

Okay, let me get something straight. An allegedly intoxicated woman claims she was raped by a white guy, on the lacrosse team. Every white guy on team is then compelled to provide DNA to prove/exonerate them.

DNA goes 0-46.

Um, is it me, or shouldn?t the DA immediately go back and get the DNA from the one black guy, just to make sure? I mean, I know she says it wasn?t a black guy, but she also might be lying about that. Or maybe she was so plastered, that she wouldn?t know black from white from green from alien when the possible rape occurred.

Even still, if they take the black guy?s DNA, and it turns out his junk IS on the girl, then she?s forced to get her story straight. Either press charges against him, or say it was consensual, and the case collapses.

No matter what, I just don?t think you can allow a victim ? and perhaps one that was intoxicated and not thinking clearly ? dictate what evidence to collect, and what evidence to ignore.

I don't know if where the difference between this author's 46 and the stated 48 comes from. The "one black guy" could make 47, and then....the coach?

[Gags]

How do you gang rape someone and not leave any evidence behind?


I don't know if you can. What's that theory about if two objects come into contact they each...

[jnschwie]

I don't know if you can. What's that theory about if two objects come into contact they each...

give an equal and opposite force? :D

[sweater]

Yeah, maybe they are pigs. Does that mean they should be (potentially) wrongfully accused of rape, which could put them in jail for life, and be subject to a smear job by the press? Being a pig & committing rape...hmmm...not quite equal there Mike. If we're going to publicly persecute college kids for being pigs, let's start with a large portion of the student body at CU...or CSU...or pick a school.
I guess I didn't elaborate on my point enough. What I wrote really does sound like that, I guess.

Part of me thinks:
"WTF do you expect as far as attention from the press and public when you're writing and email like this?"

Another part of me thinks:
"You're the brightest and most talented, a leader, a recruited player, and this is how you act? God bless the coach for cancelling the rest of the season based on your actions. You should resign in disgrace, you sack of shite."

Finally, part of me thinks:
"No, they obviously shouldn't be tried in the press. They deserve a fair trial, which they're not going to get 'round Durham. Let the system work and be as objective as possible."

Thing is, when presented with some pretty damning public displays such as what these players have done so far, it's hard not to get sucked in - everyone loves to see the best and brightest fall that much farther from grace.

By the way, how many people think that the Ramsey's are innocent? :D

- mike

[Yota]

So is she claiming gang rape or was it "one white guy?"

In any case, it is possible to have rape without DNA. And it is also possible to try a rape without DNA, which is how it's been done from the time rape was invented to the time DNA testing was invented.

But from what I am hearing, the prosecution has no physical evidence at all.

[Steve]

So is she claiming gang rape or was it "one white guy?"


She claims she was gang-raped by three white guys at the party, which makes the fact that no DNA matching anyone at the party all the more damning to her story and the DA's case.

[Mcstiff]

Of course it didn't match. Lacrosse players are catchers. They're the guys who tried to convince us that running around with pads on was just as rough as rugby.

Yeah, nothings rugher than a multi man inverse wedgie :flipoff2:

[zero cool]

The fact that no DNA matches were found will be brought up by the defense. The DA is going to have a hell of a time making his case because the DNA evidence will go a very long way towards providing reasonable doubt.

Even if they did rape the girl, I doubt they'll be convicted.

[Gags]

give an equal and opposite force? :D

More to they each leave a little bit of eachother on eachother.

[Sound_Man]

Just an update...

dropped it like a hot potato

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3028515&page=1

[Sygne]

See this is why the real victims never come forward. They may have a legit case but due to women like this they are afraid,ashamed, embarressed and traumatized. It seems to me like more and more the real victims will become few and far between. To bad Justice isnt really blind and impartial...

[bender]

shoot her in the face

[Jason's CJ5]

shoot her in the face

Thats what started this problem :eek:

[Mcstiff]

If I were the coach I would file suit against anybody I could for wrongful termination.

[Waifer2112]

I read this morning (can't find it now) that the players involved were thrown out of school. Now remember, this is before any guilt was found. Now, the school welcomes them back with open arms!! :rolleyes: The players haven't decided if they even want to come back. I know I sure as hell wouldn't.

When I was 16 I had a job as a dish dog. One evening the owner of the restaurant called me at home to say the place had been robbed. She accused me of doing it since everybody else leaves before me. I adamantly denied it. She then asked if I would take a lie detector test. I said sure will!!! Then she backed down and said she'll see me on Saturday. I said no, you won't. I fu@$in' quit, biotch!!! Boy, that felt good.

[satan]

See this is why the real victims never come forward. They may have a legit case but due to women like this they are afraid,ashamed, embarressed and traumatized. It seems to me like more and more the real victims will become few and far between. To bad Justice isnt really blind and impartial...

The body of the ABC'News' story call the victim's mental health into issue, which would very much seem like a slap in the face for this victim and others like her.

The story ends with:
No DNA evidence was found matching any lacrosse players with samples from the rape kit, while DNA from unidentified men was found on the accuser's body and clothing.

Going from this, the victim's only mistake may have been to assume that her white attackers in that bathroom played rugby <-- oops! lacrosse {edited - thanks Steve} -- y'think that the only White males there were on the team ??? (HUGE assumption!)

I think some statement by the DA to indicate that there was some evidence that supported a sex assault by multiple assailants (based on her story and multiple-source DNA samples) and that an investigation into the available evidence points away from the team would serve both justice and this victim(and others) better.

[Steve]

It's sad, there are no winners in this fiasco. The kids lost big time, the coach lost, the University looks idiotic, the "victim" got nothing, the DA who brought the charges is under investigation for ethics violations.

I predict a number of very large lawsuits from the accused and the coach - and that they win as they should.

The accuser should be charged with making false accusations, which is a crime, but that won't happen because it's not politically correct. :rolleyes:

Going from this, the victim's only mistake may have been to assume that her white attackers in that bathroom played rugby -- y'think that the only White males there were on the team ??? (HUGE assumption!)

Everything I've read says that only the lacrosse team (not rugby) was in the house; nobody else was there. So, if that's the case, not such a big assumption. The "victim's" story has changed significantly several times, and nothing has stood up to examination. :rolleyes:

[Sound_Man]

It's sad, there are no winners in this fiasco. The kids lost big time, the coach lost, the University looks idiotic, the "victim" got nothing, the DA who brought the charges is under investigation for ethics violations.


The "victim" or accuser did get something. She got a scholarship from Al Sharpton, heard him on the radio talking about it at lunch. She got donations and contributions from many people. She ruined the lives of hard working people. She really needs to have charges brought up against her, her attorney, the DA, the school and the local police department IMHO.

[Barf Bag]

i forgot this thread existed, so when i read the title, my first thought was anna nicole