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Jocko
March 4th, 2006, 09:01 PM
Ran Indy today to see the new improvements. We dropped in, got to the bottom and came out Patriot (3 times).

All in all, I think the changes are good (who cares what I think, right?) The only noticable trail changes are some new rocks at the entrance and the exit on Patriot. The entrance rocks keep you from getting as tippy as before. The exit has totally changed. The main 6 foot climb was split and dragged off creating a new ledge. The upper ledge was dragged down. I don't see this rock being there for long. We had to winch it back into place twice. There are a few lines to take, giving most vehicles a challenge. Some made it without assistance, some didn't.

Other changes are new rails, chain link, and re-setting old rail.

This still ranks as my favorite trail. Wish I could have made the work weekend. Good job to everyone that was there.

The pics show the changes that were made.

Some rocks in the entrance.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/cj3185002/indy.jpg

Here you can see some of the new rail. On the driver's left you might see the chain link
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/cj3185002/indy-1.jpg

Here you can see the new ledge.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/cj3185002/indy3.jpg

Better pic of the new ledge.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/cj3185002/indy4.jpg

Here you can see the taller rail at the exit.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/cj3185002/indy5.jpg

rockfrog
March 4th, 2006, 10:03 PM
Man that exit looks a lot easier. I love all the handrials, I guess it is now wheelchair and walker accesible!!

jtw2
March 4th, 2006, 10:40 PM
Nice!
I've got to get down there and run it this year!

lwg
March 5th, 2006, 12:28 AM
Nice!
I've got to get down there and run it this year!

Ditto. Hopefully I'll have my new cage, seats and harnesses in soon so I can head down there in the next few months.

JimhatTJ
March 5th, 2006, 06:36 AM
looks like some fun. Hopefully when i get back from the sand box we can all run it again.

thekiffer
March 5th, 2006, 12:46 PM
Great write up and picks thanks!!

T3N5OR
March 5th, 2006, 11:50 PM
did any of you guys make the exit with it like it is?

Cresso
March 6th, 2006, 01:06 AM
I, for one, hate it when trails look like the waiting lines at an amusement park ride. Left hand Canyon near the old playground area is very similar. I realize it's a necessary evil because morons can't stay on the freaking trail. Kudos to the folks who put in the time to maintain the trail. Hopefully it lasts for a little while.

Cool pics. 3 times through sounds like a successful trip.

sean@J-O
March 6th, 2006, 01:49 AM
so i have a question?? why would they make it easier to run?? wasnt it the whole point of that trail to be rough so it wouldnt become like Lh canyon??
Maybe its just me...but i think this is not healthy for that trail. :rolleyes:

James
March 6th, 2006, 02:55 AM
jtw2: When ever you want to head down there and run this, I would like to ride with you if you don't already have a co-pilot. Hech, I might have mine able to go by then:) These trails are what I love. I've just never had the rig for it. Someday? Nice trail. And I do agree with sean@J-O. But, if it keeps it maintained and open, then I'll take it.

Jeff S.
March 6th, 2006, 08:37 AM
did any of you guys make the exit with it like it is?

We were all able to drive the exit. It is still challenging, and not everyone will make it, but a lot of people will.

Jocko
March 6th, 2006, 08:47 AM
did any of you guys make the exit with it like it is?

I was able to drive it all three time, Hurricane (green cj) winched twice, Jeff (blue yj) had a BAD break. He drove it the first time and limped out from coffin rock the second time. There were 3 vehicles in front of us the third time through. Two ZUKs and a YJ. One of the Zuks drove it (98" wheelbase). The other two vehicles took a strap.

The exit will still be a challenge for a lot of rigs. I think it is better this way. I have ran this trail many times and with a variety of rigs (full bodied to comp buggies). I have only seen one rig make the exit (Brad Lovell). Sure the comp buggy guys would rather have it the old way, but it doesn't make sense for the average rig that goes through this trail. The exit has a couple of lines you could choose from. I feel it will still challenge 95% of the rigs that run it. If you make the left line look easy, try a line a little over to the right.

Even though the exit is different, I was still stoked about getting up unassisted.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/cj3185002/DSC_0041.jpg

cracker_1
March 6th, 2006, 10:03 AM
so i have a question?? why would they make it easier to run?? wasnt it the whole point of that trail to be rough so it wouldnt become like Lh canyon??
Maybe its just me...but i think this is not healthy for that trail. :rolleyes:
To maintain the integrity of the trail and to keep it open, you have to keep the BLM happy. They were there during the work weekend, "supervising" some of the necessary improvements. We made the exit easier, to keep people off of the sides and to use the existing trail and to stop making their own lines out. The trail is still very difficult, and with a little time, I imagine the out will be even more difficult. If we don't make these "improvements", then you can kiss this trail system goodbye.

sean@J-O
March 6th, 2006, 10:31 AM
if theres rails in the right spots then you shouldnt have to alter the trail any.
i see this as an equivlant to the rock stacking syndrome that plagues many trails. I have no problem with the rails and winch points..but a natural trail means just that...dont alter it just so people can make it through easier.
It's realy verry simple...if you cant make it through..Don't go! :tisk:

jackrabbit
March 6th, 2006, 10:54 AM
Props to all the guys who worked on the trail maintenance.

The thing with the exit I think is a good thing. It was getting so hogged out that even the buggiez weren't making the climb, plus, it was getting to the point that when you make a mistake at the exit, it would be a real bad day, not just a roll, but a bad roll. I say good work, plus, when the trail is quiet run it backwards, I think the trail is way more difficult backwards, but thats me, I'm usually just a passenger anyways.

:duel:

trailbuilt
March 6th, 2006, 11:18 AM
IS that winch point going to hold up??? looks kind of scary....

Oscar
March 6th, 2006, 11:20 AM
Not sure if it will hold for long first winch on it and it was moving.

OffroadGirl
March 6th, 2006, 11:55 AM
Wow that trail looks awesome! What would you say is the bare minimum required in a rig to run it? Is body damage pretty much a guarantee?

diesel-hunter
March 6th, 2006, 12:22 PM
Where is this trail located I've seen footage on the twistedv video looks fun.

Jocko
March 6th, 2006, 12:35 PM
Wow that trail looks awesome! What would you say is the bare minimum required in a rig to run it? Is body damage pretty much a guarantee?

I would say at least 35" tires, good protection, lockerS and willing to get major rock rash. People have done it with less, but there was a lot of stacking involved. People have gone through with this set-up with very little to no damage (trailbuilt). Go with someone who knows the lines. Some of the "easier" lines look very wrong but are right.

Having said that, it is very easy to get twisted and kinked in Patriot. Without a doubt, walk it first or better yet go as a spectator. This trail isn't for everyone.

MonsterZ
March 6th, 2006, 01:35 PM
Looks like some nice changes. I like the idea of at least having a chance at the exit. Winching to that questionable stump always made me nervous.

T3N5OR
March 6th, 2006, 01:47 PM
any changes to coffin rock>???

Oscar
March 6th, 2006, 02:37 PM
Just the bits and pieces of Jeff's front end :)

Rex Ashton
March 7th, 2006, 05:16 PM
Props to all the guys who worked on the trail maintenance.

The thing with the exit I think is a good thing. It was getting so hogged out that even the buggiez weren't making the climb, plus, it was getting to the point that when you make a mistake at the exit, it would be a real bad day, not just a roll, but a bad roll. I say good work... Well said.

jackrabbit
March 7th, 2006, 06:38 PM
Well said.


you get your junk out of psc yet bitch??? :duel:

Rex Ashton
March 8th, 2006, 12:06 AM
you get your junk out of psc yet bitch??? :duel:Hellz to the Naw, Phucker...:idea: I gotta check up on it this week or EJS will slip away....Gotta still paint the panels....

You goin to the Safari??? Get Munson to bring his junk and we can cause some chaos out there. :cool:

Shadow
March 8th, 2006, 07:25 AM
Heres a couple of our pics.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/shadowcrawlers/Indy%203-4-06/P3010108.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/shadowcrawlers/Indy%203-4-06/P3010135.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/shadowcrawlers/Indy%203-4-06/P3010138.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/shadowcrawlers/Indy%203-4-06/P3010180.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/shadowcrawlers/Indy%203-4-06/P3010183.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/shadowcrawlers/Indy%203-4-06/P3010184.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/shadowcrawlers/Indy%203-4-06/P3010193.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/shadowcrawlers/Indy%203-4-06/P3010199.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/shadowcrawlers/Indy%203-4-06/P3010203.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/shadowcrawlers/Indy%203-4-06/P3010210.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/shadowcrawlers/Indy%203-4-06/P3010235.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/shadowcrawlers/Indy%203-4-06/P3010236.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/shadowcrawlers/Indy%203-4-06/P3010243.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/shadowcrawlers/Indy%203-4-06/P3010255.jpg

This was the second trip for our zuggy, and first trip with the iroks. We still have a lot of finishing touches left on it but couldn't wait until it was done to try it out! The green samurai will be recieving some 36" SX's soon in trade for some work. The Jeep is our buddies and will be getting a s/r soon so he can quit flipping shackles lol.

It was nice meeting you guys!

Note* pictures were taken by Candice Wiedrick my g/f :cool:

I'm sorry I didn't make the work weekend. I was broke from driving to denver for the roadless meeting which I couldn't attend because I was stupid not to think denver does not have free parking downtown LOL. Shows how much I go to denver :P. Opps to the new exit, and all of the hard work!.

L8rz

Chris Minerich

Jocko
March 8th, 2006, 07:38 AM
Nice to meet you guys too. Thanks for posting your pics. I never get tired of seeing different rigs on that trail.

This would have been really ugly if he had done it on the old exit.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/shadowcrawlers/Indy%203-4-06/P3010255.jpg

YJgirl
March 8th, 2006, 01:19 PM
To everyone involved in the work weekend :thumbsup: :thumbsup: . Nice work on the trail!

So I've gotten some phone calls from peeps that have built rigs that were capable of driving the Indy system prior to the work weekend, and they are iggy about the rocks laid down to armor the trail - echoing sean's concerns above.
The Independence Trail System would not exist if it were not for the Rock Hoppers and Rock Reapers clubs. They have worked hard in conjunction with a BLM office that hates the fact that there is OHV trails in their jurisdiction. It was an obstacle to overcome just to get the trail system created, and it does have to go through yearly maintenence to keep the system open.
PLEASE, even if you do not agree with the new armor on the trail, PLEASE keep it the way the work weekend made it. The BLM had saftey concerns, and run off concerns that had to be mitigated in order to keep the trail open. Trust me boys & girls - this trail is a hot controversy and without the clubs support it would have been shut down long ago.

So that means don't winch the rocks out of the way because you do not agree with their placement! You're becoming part of the problem, not the solution if you move those rocks.

Jocko
March 8th, 2006, 01:42 PM
So that means don't winch the rocks out of the way because you do not agree with their placement! You're becoming part of the problem, not the solution if you move those rocks.


If this comment is directed towards me, you mis-understood. The rock that was placed on the old 6' ledge is not very secure. This rock was put there to aid in getting up the last ledge (I assume). We had to winch it back, twice, to where the "work weekenders" (if that's a word) put it. I think the exit is fine the way it is now, as stated above several times. We might want to think of a way we can make that rock more permanent. It did not take long for that rock to get pushed aside.

Chad

rockfrog
March 8th, 2006, 06:59 PM
YJGirl take a chilly!!! I don't think anyone ever said they winched rocks out of the way. I think most people who run this trail appreciate this trail, and most people, who are decent people, try to maintain the trail as they run it. It was great you were able to help on the work weekend but don't think that the trail goes unmaintained throughout the rest of the year. I for one think the extra handrails are the gayest things ever and I don't understand why they are placed in some places, but the BLM does and I, and we, are not questioning why they are where they are. The cables were bad but at least the don't look like the dividers at Disneyland waitng for a ride. And we all understand that the trail would not exist if were not for these efforts, but let's not forget the people down there on a semi-regular basis picking up trash, unstacking rocks, and doing the responsible thing in trying to keep the trail up for those times between work weekends. It just irritates the shit out of me to have people preach, misread things, and talk down to others when they for one have no idea of what other people are doing.

YJgirl
March 9th, 2006, 01:55 PM
It just irritates the shit out of me to have people preach, misread things, and talk down to others when they for one have no idea of what other people are doing.
:boohoo:Then try reading what I posted instead of jumping to conclusions.

Did either Jocko or Rockfrog call me? NO. I said I had received PHONE CALLS - not referring to posts. :rant:

And it was a general statement for all reading this post to understand.

Jocko
March 9th, 2006, 02:56 PM
It's Jocko, not Jacko :tisk:. I guess you didn't see that I started my paragraph with the word "if" :shrug:. And yes, since I was the only one that mentioned anything about winching rocks, I did think this was directed towards me :thumbsdown:. I did not want others to get me confused with the guys that must have called you to say they were going to winch rocks out of the way :eek:.

Edit: I guess I had better throw in a couple smiles here and there :flipoff2:.

Wally
March 9th, 2006, 05:56 PM
Looks fun Jackoff, i mean Jocko :flipoff2: Can't wait to head down there and beat on my junk with ya this summer :D

Oh YJ girl....relax...it's all good :beer:

MountainJeep
March 9th, 2006, 06:59 PM
All I can say is that is how a trail should be managed. props to all involved!!!

The sheer amount of leg/paperwork involved in maintaining a trail like this and keeping it open would scare 3/4 of the people on this board to death.

BRD should take notes.

Jocko
March 9th, 2006, 07:19 PM
Looks fun Jackoff, i mean Jocko :flipoff2:


:flipoff2: 30 years of that $hit. I've heard 'em all. I plan on heading your way this spring. You'll have to show me the "lay down" lines on the trails up there. We are heading to Moab the first week of May. I'm not sure how long we'll stay. Our club is going for a full week, but I don't think my wife can get away that long. I don't think we'll have time to stop and play in GJ though. Maybe later in May, or the first part of June. There is a state meeting up there sometime. When you gonna make a trip this way? I've been following your progress on the other board. Looks good. Are you reusing the same springs?

MountainJeep Couldn't have said it better myself.

Oscar
March 9th, 2006, 08:55 PM
Few more pic's of the acrobatics.

http://photobucket.com/albums/e369/Curtisfluke/

homegrown
March 10th, 2006, 09:53 AM
nice job on the trail clean up. i am just waiting for the street lights to go in.

T3N5OR
March 10th, 2006, 10:23 AM
nice job on the trail clean up. i am just waiting for the street lights to go in.
:D :D

c'mon TJ we can get a run in before the chick-fil-a opens at the Ahole.

naa, seriously tho, the fix looks good, thks for the work!

homegrown
March 10th, 2006, 10:37 AM
:D :D

c'mon TJ we can get a run in before the chick-fil-a opens at the Ahole.

naa, seriously tho, the fix looks good, thks for the work!


you are right what ever it takes to keep the trail open. one of the best trails in the state. shit i got to get home the street lights are on.

T3N5OR
March 10th, 2006, 06:10 PM
I hope they put a 7-11 at the intersection of liberty and patriot!!! LOL :D

bluexj
March 10th, 2006, 08:18 PM
Then we would need a bar in there somewhere:beer:

T3N5OR
March 11th, 2006, 07:46 PM
Then we would need a bar in there somewhere:beer:
coffin rock saloon??

bluexj
March 12th, 2006, 08:47 PM
coffin rock saloon??

A-Hole bar and grill

T3N5OR
March 12th, 2006, 09:31 PM
A-Hole bar and grill
yup, i hear the ribs there are spectacular...

jtw2
March 12th, 2006, 09:38 PM
Gotta have a butt steak at the A-hole bar and grill.