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FirecrackerKTM
January 14th, 2006, 10:41 PM
Wow, my first trip with the crew from this site. Oh what fun! I've had my Jeep out on the trails a couple of times, but not as technical as that (OK I know it's not that technical but hey I'm stock). I loved it.

I need to send out a BIG thank you for all the advice, spotting, getting me unstuck, encouragement, and assistance with swaybar and airing up/down tires from you guys. I will bring cookies next time.

Explorerguy
January 14th, 2006, 10:48 PM
I need to send out a BIG thank you for all the advice, spotting, getting me unstuck,
So where did (can) you get stuck on that trail? I heard there was a lot of damage done to vehicles on this run. (inside sorce)

jjeepcherokeer
January 14th, 2006, 10:49 PM
Let me know which trail you are hitting next because I like cookies. It was a good day and weather was great. not too much carnage. you need to get some lift springs for the next run it will help out so much.
two drive lines an oil pan and and my front axle disconnect all were ate. She got hung up in he quarry on a BF rock.

FirecrackerKTM
January 14th, 2006, 10:57 PM
Yep, that first ledge in the quarry wasn't happening for poor little She-Ra, and then I got high centered on a rock trying to back down. It was the only thing I didn't make it over though, even if there were plenty of clumsy moments! I can't wait to see pictures!

Jeffro600
January 14th, 2006, 11:08 PM
You did great today...couple times i was pretty impressed for a bone stock YJ!! Fun run today though....had a good group and the weather was BEAUTIFUL! Matts in charge of the pics/videos this time...we watched the videos this evening and they turned out great. Have to get some editing done and find a place to host them so we can get em up.

Nice meetin everyone that was a new face!

Jeffro600
January 14th, 2006, 11:10 PM
I heard there was a lot of damage done to vehicles on this run. (inside sorce)

All things considered...not really.

Matt twisted the snot out of his rear driveshaft and snapped it in two....the black XJ had some issues with his front disconnects. That was really all we had with our particular group....there were a couple other guys out there that punched a hole in their oil pan.

Explorerguy
January 14th, 2006, 11:15 PM
All things considered...not really.

there were a couple other guys out there that punched a hole in their oil pan.
I thought they were also in your group?

jtw2
January 14th, 2006, 11:16 PM
Nope. I lost my front drive shaft on the way down! looks like a yoke strap broke and I lost one of the U-joint bearings. Came down in 2wd!

Did you guys get in touch with Ray?


I told you you would be surprised by what your stock YJ would do!

Jeffro600
January 14th, 2006, 11:18 PM
I thought they were also in your group?


Not officially...we didnt see them till we got to the playground at crystal, but then Matt and I headed back to Ft Collins in search of parts.

Wild Hare
January 14th, 2006, 11:30 PM
come on you guys, where's the pix. matt is slackin'... i just got back from the rough country party and we had fun viewing old club videos from 1995.
waiting for pix







waiting









waiting:drool:

Jeffro600
January 14th, 2006, 11:49 PM
Pics are comin....since matts gonna be SWAMPED with all the videos he took, ill help him out and handle his and my pics....give me a min...

jtw2
January 14th, 2006, 11:50 PM
Did he find a driveshaft?

Jeffro600
January 14th, 2006, 11:59 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/Jeffro426/IMG_4168.jpg

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This one just cracks me up.... :lmao: Speedo anyone???
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/Jeffro426/IMG_4216.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/Jeffro426/IMG_4218.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/Jeffro426/IMG_4219.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/Jeffro426/IMG_4222.jpg

Ive got fullsized ones if anyone wants these for printing, etc....shoot me a PM or email

Jeffro600
January 14th, 2006, 11:59 PM
Did he find a driveshaft?


Nope...

Wild Hare
January 15th, 2006, 12:10 AM
good job with the pix jeff. thanx:beer:

van7559
January 15th, 2006, 12:19 AM
whats the specs on that 90's toy?

Jeffro600
January 15th, 2006, 12:21 AM
whats the specs on that 90's toy?



Ummm....Leadfoot.... :P

FirecrackerKTM
January 15th, 2006, 09:45 AM
Were there any of me on that rock where the driveline got busted?

Sorry, I'm a sucker for pix since I have so few of my Jeep.

Here is one of my many rock dings I earned: http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/FirecrackerKTM/Jeep%20pics/ouch5.jpg

Wild Hare
January 15th, 2006, 09:59 AM
Were there any of me on that rock where the driveline got busted?

Sorry, I'm a sucker for pix since I have so few of my Jeep.

Here is one of my many rock dings I earned: http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/FirecrackerKTM/Jeep%20pics/ouch5.jpg
cool:thumbsup:

TJ_Shunk
January 15th, 2006, 10:01 AM
Sorry about the slowness of me. Jeff thanks for getting most of the pictures up. I'll get more as the day goes. It was fun even with the breakage yesterday and I thank you all for cracking jokes about the driveshaft as it made my stress level go down about it. Beeing as it was my first breakage, I was a little freaked out about it at first. The drive home was fine and Tom Woods is getting a call tomarrow so I can order a new one. I get a few pictures of the broken shaft for you to see.

Jtw2 - Sorry to hear about the front shaft. Between you and me he could make a working Heep.

FirecrackerKTM - No I didn't get a picture of you going up the "easier" line beside that ledge sorry. But as you will see in the video, we did get you in the quarry a little. Definatly let me know which trail you are going on, I too like Cookies (no raisins though)


-Matt

FirecrackerKTM
January 15th, 2006, 10:12 AM
Eww, no raisins here either. Can do oatmeal with apple or cranberries, or chocolate chip.

I don't know when I'll go between then and now, seeing as how weekends are usually spent snowboarding or dirt biking, but I will DEFINITELY be going wheeling either Feb. 11 or 12. Kris will be here visiting. Can we go there again, or are there other places that are similar and equally close to the Fort Collins/Loveland area?

Jeffro600
January 15th, 2006, 10:14 AM
Those were the majority of the pics...there were maybe 10-15 others, but most were almost identical to the ones i posted and/or were blurry, etc. I know there was one or two more people out there with cameras, so we might turn up some more pics somewhere!

Were you just going to cut and paste those videos into one Matt? Do you have any video editing software?

TJ_Shunk
January 15th, 2006, 10:16 AM
I have the editing software here at the house, so I am going to make a video. I'm working on it now. Gotta find a good song for it too. I hope that Chris post up his pictures. He looked like he had a serious Digital SLR like your Jeff.

FirecrackerKTM - You can go there again... It's your choice. UInless you want to go and do some snowbashing, that is really all that there is that is still open in the area. If we go back there, it will be with the wifes XJ since she really likes that trail and wants to go back.

Jeffro600
January 15th, 2006, 10:19 AM
I hope that Chris post up his pictures. He looked like he had a serious Digital SLR like your Jeff.

Yeah, he had almost the same camera and looked like he was shootin pics all day....hopefully he got some good ones!! :D

Jeffro600
January 15th, 2006, 10:22 AM
Eww, no raisins here either. Can do oatmeal with apple or cranberries, or chocolate chip.

I don't know when I'll go between then and now, seeing as how weekends are usually spent snowboarding or dirt biking, but I will DEFINITELY be going wheeling either Feb. 11 or 12. Kris will be here visiting. Can we go there again, or are there other places that are similar and equally close to the Fort Collins/Loveland area?


Like Matt said, there really isnt much in the way of trails that are open right now, except for Moody/Crystal, unless you want to go snowbashing. Kelly probably wont be open till late spring or so...but that would make a good group trip again! I wanna try the chutes sooooo bad!!

shotgunchris
January 15th, 2006, 10:23 AM
I'm working on mine now. I sent Miss Firecracker a few I had of her, she got more attention that the rest of you. Hmmm, I wonder why???

I'll post a link to Imagestation once I have things done.

Wild Hare
January 15th, 2006, 10:26 AM
thats funny, jeep chix always get the attention don't they. :D

TJ_Shunk
January 15th, 2006, 10:31 AM
thats funny, jeep chix always get the attention don't they. :D

Go figure

TJ_Shunk
January 15th, 2006, 10:35 AM
Looks like the video will be about 10 min long or so

FirecrackerKTM
January 15th, 2006, 11:08 AM
Oooh I can't wait to see the video!

As for attention, it was probably just that promise of cookies. That's what I've found works the best.

As for snowbashing, I doubt my rig would work too well in the snow w/o chains or whatever so let's just go back there on the weekend before V-day. Sat. or Sun. doesn't matter to me, or maybe Kris and I will get a hotel and go BOTH days.

TJ_Shunk
January 15th, 2006, 11:11 AM
Here are a few more pictures coming up the medows and the carnage of my drive shaft.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/TJ_Shunk/IMG_4095.jpg

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shotgunchris
January 15th, 2006, 11:18 AM
Here's the link to my photo's:

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2114752678&code=20287385&mode=invite&DCMP=isc-email-AlbumInvite

You should be able to download any you want, if not PM me with your request and e-mail and I'll send you any that you want.

Jeffro600
January 15th, 2006, 11:22 AM
GREAT pics Chris!!

Could you send me the full sized one of img_2588(the green XJ in the quarry)?
Jeffro250@gmail.com

*EDIT* Disregard....found the fullsized ones! :D

jjeepcherokeer
January 15th, 2006, 01:41 PM
How long till the video is done I wana see. Had a great time guys I would be down for some snow bashing or what ever just let me know when and where.
Zach

Mark
January 15th, 2006, 02:04 PM
Hey Matt - have you considered using a front cherokee shaft to replace that one? I know first thought would be that a front shaft would be wimpy, but they are actually same size a rear shaft - I run them both front & rear of my CJ, and they've held up great. All you'd have to do is have it shortened, but you can get them for $20 all day long at the junkyard. Not nearly as pricey as Tom Wood's, and unless you're getting his super-uber-beefy-heavy-duty version, they're probably just as strong. Oh - and they're factory CV too.

Just an FYI.

Jeffro600
January 15th, 2006, 02:09 PM
The only problem with that is by the time he locates a shaft, pays for it and pays for it to be modified and balanced...for a little bit more money, he could have gotten the Tom Woods which has a warranty and will ultimatly be a better shaft. Id considered that for when i do my SYE on my XJ, but id rather just spend a few more bucks and get something that i know will work right the first time and will be warrantied.

Mark
January 15th, 2006, 02:25 PM
I can't see Tom warranty'ing a twisted shaft. Usually that takes an insane amount of horsepower, or a 'dinged' shaft (think - crushing a pop can). But hey, if a warranty is what you're after - definitely have to go with name brand.

I guess I'm just a cheap bastard - I cut & shorten my own shafts, so I only have myself to blame if something goes 'wrong' with them.

TJ_Shunk
January 15th, 2006, 03:55 PM
This is the rigth position for the angled shot that Jeff posted

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e98/TJ_Shunk/IMG_4184.jpg

Jeffro600
January 15th, 2006, 03:57 PM
lol, i just thought it was a cool pic!

sames
January 15th, 2006, 04:05 PM
Great pics and a good time. Thanks to the experienced ones (you know who you are) for the spotting and encouragement. It was different being the oldest guy and knowing the least. I am looking forward to going again soon.

Smokin Deezul
January 15th, 2006, 04:13 PM
Hey all wanted to thank you all for helping us with our oil pan incedent. Joe has it off and almost has it fixed I was just along for the ride and turned out to be a all day affair with the oil pan. We coasted all the way down crystal road to buckhorn then down to the parking lot at moody made for a very long and boring day nice to meet some of you. thanks again for everything. The strap was very useful, the epoxy was a nice try but couldnt get all the oil drained out, papertowels, the oil we bought and gave back at the parking lot thats what wheelin is all about helping complete strangers get off the trail. I hope someday I can get my junk finished so I can drive for once gets old riding shotgun all the time.

Greg

jtw2
January 15th, 2006, 09:24 PM
Mark, thanks for the help this morning getting my front drive shaft back in action. I really appreciate it!

As always a great time was had. Thanks everyone!

Explorerguy
January 15th, 2006, 09:29 PM
Where is the trip report write up??

jtw2
January 15th, 2006, 09:33 PM
haha! I caught up to them at the quarry so that wasn't too bad.
I don't have any pics. Got to do some night time wheeling since I didnt get back until after 7pm!

Explorerguy
January 15th, 2006, 09:38 PM
So how many people ended up going?

Mark
January 15th, 2006, 10:19 PM
All of 'em. :D

Explorerguy
January 15th, 2006, 10:21 PM
All of 'em. :D
ARE YOU SURE?!?!?!?!??

Sean Dogg
January 16th, 2006, 03:15 AM
what the hell tires are these? look cool if nothing else... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/Jeffro426/IMG_4168.jpg

TJ_Shunk
January 16th, 2006, 06:49 AM
They are the destination MT's. By the way, the video is finished but Google is having to verify it before I can get a link to post it with. Sorry it is taking so long. THe first attempt was 49 Gig in size!!

XJade94
January 16th, 2006, 09:55 AM
Bummer I couldn't go. That Black XJ Country looks sweet! Reminds me of my rig. Might have to make one more run to Moody/Crystal with mine before we can call that trail quits for a while.

Jeffro600
January 16th, 2006, 12:33 PM
By the way, the video is finished but Google is having to verify it before I can get a link to post it with.

Thats the one downfall to google video...they have to verify that each and every video submited falls within their Terms of Service(i.e. no porn, etc) and it sometimes takes a day or more. Hopefully, it will be up and running tonight sometime...it is a cool video!!

RockYacht
January 17th, 2006, 08:52 AM
Ok what's the story on the driveline? That's the kind of carnage I'd expect out of the 440, BTDT :D But a 4.0l? :flipoff2: Me thinks drivers error. :laugh:


Bob

XJade94
January 17th, 2006, 10:15 AM
Me thinks drivers error. :laugh:
Bob

Nah, not driver's error, if it was driver's error more would be broken :P - how about drive shaft error?! It was used anyway, and a little too short! :eek:

A Woody is on order. Should be here tomorrow.

Get your minds out of the gutter!!!

TJ_Shunk
January 17th, 2006, 08:33 PM
Alright everybody, here is the link to the movie. Sorry it too so long.

http://www.rogue4x4.com/movies/Moody_Crystal%20Video%20.wmv

-Matt

jtw2
January 17th, 2006, 09:21 PM
sweet vid! Good work Matt. Holy cow I didn't think I was THAT tippy trying that right hand line in the quarry! Jeeze, the lower part is becoming the more difficult part of the quarry! I really need a longer wheel base!

Thanks Matt!

Jeffro600
January 17th, 2006, 09:22 PM
sweet vid! Good work Matt. Holy cow I didn't think I was THAT tippy trying that right hand line in the quarry! Jeeze, the lower part is becoming the more difficult part of the quarry! I really need a longer wheel base!

Thanks Matt!

Longer wheelbase??? You need FLEX man! :P

TJ_Shunk
January 17th, 2006, 09:25 PM
No problem man!! You were a little tippy in that botom section. I think if we keep digging the bottom out, it will continue to be the harder part. I don't have a whole lot more wheel base then you and I was fine :D

jtw2
January 17th, 2006, 09:38 PM
That's cause YJs have the wheels bolted directly to the frame! Hey, next time one of you talks to Bob can you ask him what he would charge to do a coil over conversion on my heep?

Wild Hare
January 17th, 2006, 09:54 PM
freekin' awesome job matt.

RockYacht
January 17th, 2006, 11:11 PM
That's cause YJs have the wheels bolted directly to the frame! Hey, next time one of you talks to Bob can you ask him what he would charge to do a coil over conversion on my heep?

Have torch, will travel... ;)


Bob

RockYacht
January 17th, 2006, 11:12 PM
OK great video Matt, but where the he!! is the vid of the carnage??? come awnnn


Bob

jtw2
January 17th, 2006, 11:21 PM
Have torch, will travel... ;)


Bob


yeah, but I'm betting that the price tag is gonna leave me with poopy pants....

jjeepcherokeer
January 17th, 2006, 11:58 PM
Nice work Matt thanks again guys I had a great time.

FirecrackerKTM
January 18th, 2006, 12:15 AM
Cool Video

TJ_Shunk
January 18th, 2006, 07:10 AM
OK great video Matt, but where the he!! is the vid of the carnage??? come awnnn


Bob

The camera was in my TJ so there was no video of the carnage. Sorry Bob.



freekin' awesome job matt.

Oh yeah, Did you ever figure out how to get video off you camera and on to the computer?

-Matt

sames
January 18th, 2006, 08:53 AM
great video Matt, good choice of music also.

RJsfun
January 18th, 2006, 11:14 AM
Great video!
I love watching the Black XJ. Fantasic "crawling"!
Gotta love the autos!

jjeepcherokeer
January 18th, 2006, 07:11 PM
Thanks thats my black XJ. It was the first run with the lockers and gears. wow what a difference no need to spin tires at all.

Happy wheeling and remember to "tread lightly"

Wild Hare
January 18th, 2006, 07:29 PM
The camera was in my TJ so there was no video of the carnage. Sorry Bob.




Oh yeah, Did you ever figure out how to get video off you camera and on to the computer?

-Matt
no, not yet. guess i have to buy some dvd to burn them on, then transfer them to the computer?????????????????????

TJ_Shunk
January 19th, 2006, 07:10 AM
no, not yet. guess i have to buy some dvd to burn them on, then transfer them to the computer?????????????????????


What!!! That doesn't sound like it makes sense at all.

Wild Hare
January 19th, 2006, 10:48 AM
What!!! That doesn't sound like it makes sense at all.
yeh, seams like a goofy camera. the video camera is not digital. it has those little tapes. can't transfer directly to a computer has to be transfered onto a dvd, then transferred to a computer.i'll figure it out, but have been really busy.

Jeffro600
January 19th, 2006, 12:10 PM
yeh, seams like a goofy camera. the video camera is not digital. it has those little tapes. can't transfer directly to a computer has to be transfered onto a dvd, then transferred to a computer.i'll figure it out, but have been really busy.


If im not mistaken, they make adaptors that let you plug your camera directly into your computer and then you can rip all the video off of your tape onto your hard drive.

Wild Hare
January 19th, 2006, 12:46 PM
If im not mistaken, they make adaptors that let you plug your camera directly into your computer and then you can rip all the video off of your tape onto your hard drive.
i have a cable that plugs my camera into the computer. but when trying to transfer it prompted a "install new dvd into drive to transfer video"

Wild Hare
January 19th, 2006, 09:15 PM
alright i figured it out. had to switch my camera to usb streaming and low and behold, it transfered. since this is my first ever video camera i will wait on learning editing and music and stuff later down the road. i'll post what a have in however longs it takes to get it hosted.

ATV4x4
February 6th, 2006, 04:13 PM
I just downloaded your Moody/Crystal video and that was friggin awesome!

Great photos too, now if it was just June again.

--Justin

Bryan
May 8th, 2006, 10:28 AM
I just spoke with the Forest Service about the closed status of Moody Hill, and was informed that it wouldn't open until around Memorial Day. When I inquired about your group's access to the trail in January, I was told that the trail was also closed at that time, and any group there was illegally traveling the trail.

Any thoughts on this?

TJ_Shunk
May 8th, 2006, 10:56 AM
They actually closed the trail the following weekend after our run. The stream had overflowed so much that the road was nothing but a sheet of ice and there was a vehicle a few days after us that slide off the road on that ice slick. If you continued to search, you would see that a thread was started a week later talking about the closure. We were there legally. We do check with the FS before heading out anywhere on trail status.

-Matt

P.S. Talk about bringing up a thread from the past.

Wild Hare
May 8th, 2006, 11:04 AM
I just spoke with the Forest Service about the closed status of Moody Hill, and was informed that it wouldn't open until around Memorial Day. When I inquired about your group's access to the trail in January, I was told that the trail was also closed at that time, and any group there was illegally traveling the trail.

Any thoughts on this?
Talk about a broad stroke with a paint brush. Dude, the forest service said they closed moody/crystal in january but they didn't say the date. They actually closed it on friday the 19th, therefore this group was legal in running the trail the weekend prior. this group always confirms trail status before heading out as it is usually a 2 hour trip to the trail head. so, put you shovel away and quit digging up stuff that is dead.

Bryan
May 8th, 2006, 12:11 PM
Talk about a broad stroke with a paint brush. Dude, the forest service said they closed moody/crystal in january but they didn't say the date. They actually closed it on friday the 19th, therefore this group was legal in running the trail the weekend prior. this group always confirms trail status before heading out as it is usually a 2 hour trip to the trail head. so, put you shovel away and quit digging up stuff that is dead.

Shunk and WH,

Thanks for clarifying the situation. I didn't mean to imply that you had actually done anything illegal. I was leaning toward the "Forest Service is confused" scenario.

And regarding digging stuff up, this thread is one of the most recent trip reports for Moody. It seems perfectly relevant; why are you offended?

Wild Hare
May 8th, 2006, 12:40 PM
Shunk and WH,

Thanks for clarifying the situation. I didn't mean to imply that you had actually done anything illegal. I was leaning toward the "Forest Service is confused" scenario.

And regarding digging stuff up, this thread is one of the most recent trip reports for Moody. It seems perfectly relevant; why are you offended?
You are correct that it is the most recent trip report for Moody as it was that last trip prior to them closing it for the winter. Being offended was your implied reference to the forest service claim that they were on the trail illegally.By your own admittance you reported to the forest service the cheyenne crews running of the trail in january and then requested their/our explanation of why they were there when it was closed.
We have obviously come to an understanding that the cheyenne crew was in the right and the forest service was a little shaky on their exact date of closure for this trail and all is good.
I am sure I speak for Matt and the rest of the crew when we invite you and any of your friends to come wheel with us anytime. Checkout the staging area as we are planing on hitting spring creek the 13th.
Wheel On!
Dean

Bryan
May 8th, 2006, 01:22 PM
By your own admittance you reported to the forest service the cheyenne crews running of the trail in january and then requested their/our explanation of why they were there when it was closed.

You assumed too much. I only asked the FS what the approximate dates of closure were because I knew of a group [of undisclosed identity] that had access in January. It was the FS's generalization to say that you were there illegally. My statement was simply a poorly worded request for "the rest of the story".


We have obviously come to an understanding that the cheyenne crew was in the right and the forest service was a little shaky on their exact date of closure for this trail and all is good.

You're correct here. I'm sorry for the lack of precision in my date request. All is good. :cool:

Wild Hare
May 8th, 2006, 02:20 PM
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :D