T&T Customs, Inc. TJ Tube Fender Prototype offer

[RockYacht]

We're ramping up to begin production of our long awaited bolt-on replacement fenders and we need a couple of test mules.

The first production effort will center around the replacement fender with flare. Our bolt-on fender w/flare has the largest wheel opening on the market, with a flare that is approx. equal in width to the stock flare.

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We're looking for:
a 2003 or later a 2002 or earlier a random TJ (means any year).

We do not have a preference in lift/tire size but we'd prefer those that are already running tires a little too big for their setup or that are looking to go larger tires without increasing their current lift.

We'll remove your stock fenders (don't worry, you get 'em back unmolested to sell if you like) and install our complete bolt-on replacement fender. We will be finalizing a few pieces so we'll need the rig for a week at most. The vehicle will be returned to you with the our new fenders installed in either bare metal OR your choice of Hamerite.

The selected jeeps will need to be clean and photogenic. Photos of your Jeep will be used in subsequent marketting and for our website.

For the use of your Jeep, we're setting our prototype fender offer for $497.99 with free installion which will include mounting all of your under hood accessories. The installation of an aftermarket air intake system is required and is not included in this price.

Submit photo's via Co4x4.org or email sales@tntcustoms.com for consideration.

This project will commence on the 28th of November. All submission need to be in by the 20th of November so we can make selections and schedule you and your Jeep into the shop.

[Wally]

PM Sent :laughing:

[Snotty]

PM sent as well, but I had other questions...

[comtech]

Email sent I will send pic's tonight.

[Xtremjeepn-Cole Ford]

Pay $500 to be a test mule?:eek:

What is the price for the fenders without being a test mule?:confused:

[knobby97]

Pay $500 to be a test mule?:eek:

What is the price for the fenders without being a test mule?:confused:


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[comtech]

Pay $500 to be a test mule?:eek:

What is the price for the fenders without being a test mule?:confused:

What! You think $1600. is a good price for a hood and some fender flares but this is too much?:D

[RockYacht]

Final retail has not been set. I can say they will be more expensive than what is currently being offerred. They are a full replacement fender, which leaves you to sell your stock fenders, if you choose to, and recoup a good portion of the expenditure.

BTW Cole, there is no comparison to what is being offerred here i.e. tubular fenders that are structurally sound and the other post about the AEV high hood and sheet metal fenders with stock type flares shown at SEMA (that aren't even available). The AEV (or stock) will fold up when in light contact with obstacles, now you have ~$1600 plus paint and body work, PLUS paint and body work. CHA CHING! ;)

Bob

[TJ_Shunk]

They are a full replacement fender, which leaves you to sell your stock fenders, if you choose to, and recoup a good portion of the expenditure.

BTW Cole, there is no comparison to what is being offerred here i.e. tubular fenders that are structurally sound ..... The AEV (or stock) will fold up when in light contact with obstacles, now you have ~$1600 plus paint and body work, PLUS paint and body work. CHA CHING! ;)

Bob

I was able to sell my stock fenders for half the cost of the tube fenderZ and I slammed them into a huge rock coming though the chutes on Kelly Flats and they didn't dent, crumple, move, nothing. There was just some scratches. For the price, they are worth it in my opinion.

[Xtremjeepn-Cole Ford]

The comment is not really about the quality and construction of the fenders. It is more that you are asking people to "work" for you and asking them to "risk" their own Jeep in the effort of "testing" and then make them pay for all of it too:D

So if $500 is the test price then the actuall cost must be like $800-$900???


Don't get me wrong, not really a complaint, just trying to understand what kind of deal are we getting here for "testing" and allowing you to use our Jeep and time for pictures etc?:D (<----extra smile so you know that it is a good natured question:D )


Also is there room on these for ALL the factory stuff? (Cruise control, charcoal canister, ABS brakes, battery, fuse box, horn, etc) My Jeep has all of those and I know that when I look under tha hood of many Jeeps I notice how much extra space they have because they don't have Cruise, ABS. No to mention the York and MSD box that forced me to cut my factory fenders too. :D (<----and one more)

[Xtremjeepn-Cole Ford]

What! You think $1600. is a good price for a hood and some fender flares but this is too much?:D


The AEV kit would have to include at least 2 front fenders, there heat reduction trimmed hood, 4 modified fender flares, relocation kits for what is on the fenders and whatever they are doing with the inner rear fenders for the tub. All of this seems to add space for big wheels.

Tube fenders don't really add any room in most cases. They just make a stronger lip area and better approach angle. Not to mention that you now have to spend money to keep it legal with new side markers and turn signals.


I would LOVE to see a neat set of tube fenders (front and rear) that incorporates the ideas of the AEV fenders. Then maybe I could run my 37s on no lift at all :D :eek:

[Snotty]

I wish I could sell my fenders to re-coup some of the cost. But I have tanked both of them and the cost to replace is pretty ugly... Never cared for the shape of the PS fenders, so I am stoked that these are coming back to life!

[05Willys]

I sent my info, but i guess i agree that 500 + gas to Cheyenne + gas home + gas to Cheyaenne + gas home + not having my jeep for up to a week is kind of a lot.:cool: I suppose there is a lot of work that goes in to fabbin' these up though+materials+free install.

I love the rear armor on you rig TJ Shunk. Is there any date set for that to come out? I figure i want as much steel between my new jeep and rocks so the tube fenders with the rear corner guards will make a pretty sweet combo.

[comtech]

The AEV kit would have to include at least 2 front fenders, there heat reduction trimmed hood, 4 modified fender flares, relocation kits for what is on the fenders and whatever they are doing with the inner rear fenders for the tub. All of this seems to add space for big wheels.

Tube fenders don't really add any room in most cases. They just make a stronger lip area and better approach angle. Not to mention that you now have to spend money to keep it legal with new side markers and turn signals.


I would LOVE to see a neat set of tube fenders (front and rear) that incorporates the ideas of the AEV fenders. Then maybe I could run my 37s on no lift at all :D :eek:


I hear you, just :poke:
I agree tubes set up like the AEV kit would be great! I do really like the look of TNT's fenders compared to the others ,though I may have to cut my BPI fab front bumper down to use the better approach angles the fenders offer if I go that route.

[jtw2]

hmmm...let me know if you want to use my rig. You already have pics.

[TJ_Shunk]

I love the rear armor on you rig TJ Shunk. Is there any date set for that to come out? I figure i want as much steel between my new jeep and rocks so the tube fenders with the rear corner guards will make a pretty sweet combo.

If you want the rear fenderZ as well, just ask Bob to do them. I have the first (and only) set so far. They are incorperated into the full cornerZ that TnT Customs makes. I have also put the rear tube FenderZ into a few rocks and it has kept my tub from becoming banged up. I love them personally. I do know that at this point, the rear cornerZ with or without the rear tube fenderZ is an in house job so if you want them and you are getting the fronts done as well, you might as well get them done at the same time given your distance from Cheyenne. You won't be disapointed at all!!! I love them.

-Matt

[05Willys]

Can the extra metal showing under the FenderZ get cut out? What is the word on pricing for that set up? With front and rear done What size tires should fit under there with minimal lift (i only have 2.5)?

[TJ_Shunk]

Bob will have to give the pricing so I'll leave that for him to answer. As for the extra metal showing, You kind of need it for the stability of the fenders. If you just take a little metal and weld the fender to it and then bolt it to the tub, then any kind of inpact will actually dent your tub. Having the full cornerZ will keep that from happening as the impact will then be spread across the whole area and not just the area where the fender is. I hope that makes sence. Bob might be able to explain it better then me. With the front and rear fenders, I am not sure what tire size you can fit. I do know that some of it will depend on how much flex you want, what lift is on there now, axle walk... Everybody tells me that I can fit 37's with mine (and I can) but then I have to add more bumpstop and I loss my flex. I am sitting with 5.5" RE coils, and 1" body lift with the TnT Customs Y-Link/Triangulated 4-link Proto-type suspension. I figure you can get 33's easy. Maybe 35's with minimul flex if you bumpstop it and cut the little bit of fender under the flare where the wheel well is. Don't Quote me on it though. It's just a thought.

-Matt

[05Willys]

The cutting i was asking about is under the flair not the corner guards. I woudld hope with your set up you could fit 37s cuz i could fit 33s with my 2.5" lift and a 1"BL.

[bfg35yj]

Try to get new tube fenders painted and installed for $500... Any where? All the other tube fenders are around $500 and you have to do all the work...

I have the whole TnT body armor kit.... I haven't tested the fenders out and will try not but they are soiled.... I tested the rocker's pretty good and was only able to put a small dent in them...

Just take a look under you hood and see what is attached to you fenders.... $500 is well worth it...

[Xtremjeepn-Cole Ford]

Try to get new tube fenders painted and installed for $500... Any where? All the other tube fenders are around $500 and you have to do all the work...

Just take a look under you hood and see what is attached to you fenders.... $500 is well worth it...


A) If others are $500 as a finished product then why are these $500 to "test"? ( I know they are a "full" replacement, but I am not sure how exactly that is a benefit. (obvious if you have smashed the old ones I guess)

B) They are NOT painting these fenders to match. So that can't really be included in the price. You get a "shake-n-shoot" paint job with these.

C) Since they are "prototype" fenders there could be issues with all the stuff under the hood not fitting or working right. This could cause more headache and work in the long run than just paying for the other $500 fenders to start with.

[Scorpion]

A) If others are $500 as a finished product then why are these $500 to "test"? ( I know they are a "full" replacement, but I am not sure how exactly that is a benefit. (obvious if you have smashed the old ones I guess)


1) As stated before, this price is less than retail. The retail price we are not ready to release so you'll have to be satisfied with that.

2) You say "If others are $500" so I'm assuming you'd like to compare ours the others out there that are offered. I'm not going to go into it right now but ours are over all a better product than "the other guys". By you comparing only prices our fenders may not be for you. All details including extensive pictures will be offered at the time of the product release. Until then, the only individuals that will have the inside scoop will be those that have applied and been selected.


B) They are NOT painting these fenders to match. So that can't really be included in the price. You get a "shake-n-shoot" paint job with these.

If it is determined that you'd like the fenders to be painted to match your vehicle, we can do that too but it will be expensive as real paint typically is because the process is lengthy. There's nothing wrong with a shake-n-shoot paint job and in some cases, people prefer them as they are much easier to touch up when desired. We've had customers take our fenders and get them powder coated and, most recently, the raffle jeep's fenders got painted. Both turned out really nice but no nicer (IMO) than Matt's fenders and they're Hammerite. Difference is Matt can, and has, touched his up after a wheelin' oops which couldn't have been done easily with powdercoat or professional paint. It's nothing more than personal preference.


C) Since they are "prototype" fenders there could be issues with all the stuff under the hood not fitting or working right. This could cause more headache and work in the long run than just paying for the other $500 fenders to start with.


There will be no issues under the hood making stuff fit as we have done it every time with no issues. There's nothing under the hood that won't work right after they're on. There will be no headache to the customer.

If you have any questions about any of our products and their benefits, please contact us at the shop or send an email to sales@tntcustoms.com. You may also want to use the search feature on a couple of bulletin boards and see what others opinions are of "the other guy's" fenders and then compare that to what we have posted in our sheak peak fender thread. This thread was intended to give interested customers an opportunity to save some money on a quality product.

...or you could just go buy the other guy's fenders. Again you're comparing apples to oranges.

[CSP]

Here's an idea: If one likes the "other" tube fenders, get them and stop the nitpicking about T&T's. It sure seems to me like they aren't going to have trouble finding someone to be a test mule. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.

'nuff said.

[TJ_Shunk]

Just so you all know, my fenders are "rattle-canned" I went and got primer and primer sealer from Advance Auto Parts and then went to NAPA and got the color matched paint in a spray can. I then sanded by hand the fenders and sprayed them with the spray paint in it's perspective order. I choose to do this because I knew I was going to use the fenders (i.e. Bang them around) and I wanted to be able to touch them up as Scorpion (Matt) stated. I have touched min up since I hit them and I love that I can do it and it still looks good. There wasn't any problem with getting everything back under the hood with these fenders. The diferance is that TnT Customs was doing it by hand and they want to get the measurements nocked down for the production versions. Like Matt said, if you want the other guys product, then get it. :) Plain and Simple :D Oh yeah, the Hammerite works really well!! This is what I have on all my armor and Control Arms and it is nice to be able to just spray them to touch them up. I guess I just like the Jeep to be pretty :shrug: and be able to wheel it too

[comtech]

A) If others are $500 as a finished product then why are these $500 to "test"? ( I know they are a "full" replacement, but I am not sure how exactly that is a benefit. (obvious if you have smashed the old ones I guess)

B) They are NOT painting these fenders to match. So that can't really be included in the price. You get a "shake-n-shoot" paint job with these.

C) Since they are "prototype" fenders there could be issues with all the stuff under the hood not fitting or working right. This could cause more headache and work in the long run than just paying for the other $500 fenders to start with.

First, I don't think Cole is trying to "nit-pick", just asking questions and stating his opinion.

Cole, the full replacement I think is a huge benefit to anyone buying the finished product. They can paint it and bolt it on themselves, no welding or other fab involved. Matt already addressed the issue of fender mounted accessories, and I am one who would rather have the ease of touching up the Hammerite myself.

I have been looking at tube fenders for about a year, TNT's fenders are the ones I like the best and all of their products are well engineered and very stout.

We all know this is not a cheap hobby, even building my jeep with all the great deals I have been able to find I have a lot more in it then my wife would like.:D
Buy the stuff you like, build it the way you want and the hell with anyone that doesn't like it. I even have stuff on my jeep I don't really like (tail and headlight guards, windshield light brackets) but, they were picked out and given to me as gifts from my young sons. You can bet if they care enough to do that the parts will be on my jeep!

Sorry for the rant, just ONE OF THOSE DAYS. :beer: :beer:

[Xtremjeepn-Cole Ford]

I was not nit-picking. I was just responding to the other posters comments.

I can totally understand the shake-n-shoot for a test product, ease of fix etc. I was just pointing out that it was not an apples to apples comparison based on the post before that one.

I have MANY prototype porducts on my Jeep and MANY of them have quirks that have been fixed for the later production parts.

The whole point of the original post was it just seemed odd to me to charge so much for something positioned as "we need YOUR help, we need YOUR rig, YOUR time, etc to "test" a product"

NO ONE was able to just answer up to that. Everyone got defensive or put in answers like "they are better", but with no real explanation as to "why". There was also no explanation as to what they think the final price may be. Even a ballpark idea of "much more than $500" would have been just fine. Wouldn't you feel bad if you paid $500 and then found out later that the production version was A) better and B) cost less? I am just curious, as would be any interested consumer.

I did NOT say it was NOT a good deal, just looking for an explanation, education etc about the product and why it is worth so much. It very well be a smoking deal and has features I am not aware of. Please don't think that I am bashing the fenders. They look damn cool. Keep in mind that there may be many consumers that will have the same initial reaction and may end up not buying them if they don't see the difference right away.

[Eric]

The whole point of the original post was it just seemed odd to me to charge so much for something positioned as "we need YOUR help, we need YOUR rig, YOUR time, etc to "test" a product"

While I've quoted you Cole, this isn't directed specifically at you. This is a reminder to all who are participating in this ad:

The offer is what it is. Those who are interested in the offer need to contact T&T. This forum is specifically for asking questions about a product, not for questioning a company's business model. Product price is not up for debate and price/performance comparisons with competing products or similar criticism falls under "vendor bashing" (ie. prohibited, see rules).

I did NOT say it was NOT a good deal, just looking for an explanation, education etc about the product and why it is worth so much. It very well be a smoking deal and has features I am not aware of. Please don't think that I am bashing the fenders. They look damn cool. Keep in mind that there may be many consumers that will have the same initial reaction and may end up not buying them if they don't see the difference right away.

Replies are permitted in this "forum" specifically to address those types of questions. I encourage users to ask questions about the product. However, tieing that information to the price is something you need to do on your own. Whether or not you think it's a "good deal" is not the intent of this forum and such posts are unwelcome. Ask questions to educate yourself about the product and use that information, in conjuction with the price, to guide your own decision.

From this point forward, any post by a non-vendor which mentions or questions the price of the ad/offer will be deleted. Repeat offenders will not be permitted to reply to any future ads/offers in this forum.

If anyone has any questions about this, please don't hesitate to ask me (PM or email).

[RockYacht]

...just looking for an explanation, education etc about the product and why it is worth so much. It very well be a smoking deal and has features I am not aware of. Please don't think that I am bashing the fenders. They look damn cool. Keep in mind that there may be many consumers that will have the same initial reaction and may end up not buying them if they don't see the difference right away.

The three sets of fenders we offerred here are as close to production quality as possible. Will we learn something during this process to make set #4 better? I hope so or our beancounters are gonna be upset. ;)

Yes we need some help, so we are giving the three a reduced price on the fenders and we're going to get dirty and bolt them on for no charge. We've been working on these fenders in the custom side of our shop for several years, now it's time to step up and make them a product we can sell to the general public. All of the stock underhood accessories still fit, with the exception of the factory airbox - as stated in the original post.

Ok let's talk about the fenders, enough about the rest of this.

11g tubing 14g sheetmetal one piece tube construction outer joint - sheetmetal to tube - TIG welded, yes TIG Templates included to cut the factory turn signals into the grill largest wheel well opening out there installs using factory hardware installs with hand tools no grinding, cutting, sawzalling, beating, forcing, tweaking needed to install

Any other questions?

Thanks to all that submitted so far. Keep em coming.

Bob

[Xtremjeepn-Cole Ford]

:thumbsup: Beautifull. :D Thanks for the additional information. :D

[05Willys]

Two questions. Can I take off the outer portion of the fender easily enough to do painting and later touch-ups? We have a full spray room so I would like to color match the paint if possible. I have the green with the pearl coat so it may be tough. Is there any way to do a LED turn signal like the extreme engineering fenders? We work with LEDs a lot in our office and I would like to look in to that if it is feasible.

[Jefe]

PM Sent.

[RockYacht]

Can I take off the outer portion of the fender easily enough to do painting and later touch-ups?

Our fenders are a complete Fender replacement, nothing is removeable.

Bob

[jtw2]

PaaaaLeaaaaase let me have some fenders!