Nasty Roll off Webster Pass PICS

[Guammy]

I was along with XJDave and have some pics of the rolled vehicle.
I started a new thread as lots of people commented but didn't see the picutres yet.

Some friends were talking with a ranger and said he was alone and from Texas so maybe didn't know there was not enough room to pass or just plain uneducated. I agree you can see the whole hill if you look for a minute before driving down it. He could easily have backed up the trail as there is lots of room at the spot he went off.

Here is from the top of Red Cone
http://dontlr.smugmug.com/photos/30373553-M.jpg
Here is the area he went off and you can see the truck down to the left.
http://dontlr.smugmug.com/photos/30374459-M.jpg
Looking down and there is some glass from his first of many rolls
http://dontlr.smugmug.com/photos/30374471-M.jpg

These I borrowed from a dirt bike friend.
http://colorado-dualsporters.smugmug.com/photos/30247129-O.jpg
http://colorado-dualsporters.smugmug.com/photos/30247130-O.jpg

Don

[xr8d_xj]

And he LIVED?

[Rick]

Wow! :eek:

[otisdog]

Any info on the guy? I wonder how he is.
jim

[Guammy]

Supposedly he walked away. Surprisingly as well.... Luckily!!!

[Lloyd]

Glad the guy is okay.. his truck sure isn't. Thanks for posting the pictures!!

[Lubes]

How do people roll off of that? Doesn't it happen a good bit?

[SPY]

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Some friends were talking with a ranger and said he was alone and from Texas.

And they wonder why they catch so much $h!t from the natives!

[rubbersidedown]

Well I dont think he'll be needing that rearend anymore (DIBS):D
























J/K Glad he made it out OK!!!

[JeffW]

Supposedly he walked away. Surprisingly as well.... Luckily!!!


CRAZY!

:eek:

[TubeWerx]

And they wonder why they catch so much $h!t from the natives!

when I lived in Durango, some guy from TEXAS got his rig stuck WAY off the trail in a scree slide on Kendall Mountain above Silverton. What's the deal with these guys from the lone star state??????? All the locals in Durango got so sick of the Texans by the end of the summer, myself included. I know they boost the tourist economy, but if you can't come here and enjoy the landscape in a safe and normal manner, then don't come at all. :mad:

[McCJ7]

who pays to get the wreck off the mountain, and clean up the mess? Does insurance cover his vehicle loss? inquiring minds want to know.....
Glad he is ok, I always wonder how many times this can happen before our trails are closed for "safety" reasons.

[Breck4x4[John]]

who pays to get the wreck off the mountain, and clean up the mess? Does insurance cover his vehicle loss? inquiring minds want to know.....
Glad he is ok, I always wonder how many times this can happen before our trails are closed for "safety" reasons.



It probably comes to the County or Federal Gov't for removal, then they might go after the driver. Same as an extraction while hiking w/o Hiker's INs. This one looks to be in an accessably place, there was a roll off of Glacier Ridge and I believe the truck is still there.

Ins. will most likely not cover the damage to his vehicle.

I doubt an incident like this will lead to the closure of trails. Fatalities though sad have not really had an impact. ( Two last year outside Ouray, Schofield in the 70's, the Jeep Roll back 4 years ago.)

[Steve]

']Ins. will most likely not cover the damage to his vehicle.
Actually, if he has full coverage, it should cover the loss, including recovery costs. We've specifically asked that question of our agent since we occasionally wheel the wife's Exploder. There is no exclusion of any kind for wheeling accidents.

[Breck4x4[John]]

Actually, if he has full coverage, it should cover the loss, including recovery costs. We've specifically asked that question of our agent since we occasionally wheel the wife's Exploder. There is no exclusion of any kind for wheeling accidents.


HMM, interesting. I've never even discussed this with my agent. Good to know.























hense my coment MOST LIKELY:flipoff2:
I've done been proved wrong by an Elitist

[XLSLC]

If you don't have comprehensive, forget about off-road coverage. If you do, it's best to check with your provider.

[74BuckinBronc]

Wow that's spooky, and to think he walked away... That's a terrible accident, but as others have said, usually Texans come with a "texas attitude" and that gets them into trouble. I had to say that Sport Trac came out of that pretty good considering. Thanks for sharing. Glad he wasn't killed.

J.D.

[Brian1]

Wow, the sport trac did hold up fairly well considering the roll it had. Where is the bed? Is that it to the left of the truck in the first picture? I am curious to see what that looks like.

[Eric P]

who pays to get the wreck off the mountain, and clean up the mess? Does insurance cover his vehicle loss? inquiring minds want to know.....
Glad he is ok, I always wonder how many times this can happen before our trails are closed for "safety" reasons.

You are responsible for removing your vehicle from public property. If you don't within a reasonable amount of time, the government will and send you the bill. Same for private property.

[Guammy]

Yes the bed was sort of in a pile. It looks like they collected some of the crap into piles from the yard sale. I hope they remove the mess up before it turns into a bigger mess.

[Alpine Spirit]

WOW AMAZING!!!!

FYI - Check with your insurance carrier but most policies will cover you if you are on a "Road" this includes forest roads. And since all the trails we run are classied as such you should be covered. However if you are romping off the trail then you are not covered (your insurance CO will hang you out to dry) which I think is great. Just more encouragement to "Stay The Trail".

[Explo]

youch!!!

amazing that the guy lived!

[Steve]

Wow, the sport trac did hold up fairly well considering the roll it had. Where is the bed? Is that it to the left of the truck in the first picture? I am curious to see what that looks like.
My wife's DD is a Sport Trac; I'm surprised and pleased how well this held up. FYI, the entire bed on them is plastic, so I suspect it's now in pieces.

[RJsfun]

I'm pretty suprised to not see any bullet holes in the sport trac carcass. Yet.
Great pictures, that must have been one hell of a ride!!! You didn't see any stained underwear around the wreckage?

[TimoWJ]

Glad to hear he lived. Lucky S.O.B!
I checked with my insurance, (Geico) and after 15 minutes of researching, the CS Rep told me that an accident, roll over etc. would be covered because my policy did not specifically state otherwise. :) But the accident would not be covered if I were doing something blatant or "stupid." I think that means going off trail or rock climbing etc.
Anyhow, I hope that helps. Check your own insurance policy and call your agent to be sure.

[CJ5in']

In a word, DAMN! :eek:

[rockfrog]

Glad to hear he lived. Lucky S.O.B!
I checked with my insurance, (Geico) and after 15 minutes of researching, the CS Rep told me that an accident, roll over etc. would be covered because my policy did not specifically state otherwise. :) But the accident would not be covered if I were doing something blatant or "stupid." I think that means going off trail or rock climbing etc.
Anyhow, I hope that helps. Check your own insurance policy and call your agent to be sure.

Typically insurance would cover stupidity, if it doesn't cover stupidity then most accidents would never be covered. Auto policies do not cover intentional acts, like you purposely rolled this vehicle just total it and get out a payment, or you ram your wife's car because you are mad at her. What you would need to look for is an exclusion that states if a loss occurs while off roading it is not covered, and they should define off-roading, otherwise if you were driving 90mph up this pass and rolled it should still be covered loss as long as you have collision coverage. Agents don't know shit, sorry for any agents out there, they are just in it for the $$ and couldn't adjust a claim if their life depended on it, call a claims rep and ask them (if they will answer hypothetical ?'s, because i won't) or simply have your insurer send you copy of your contract and you read it paying close attetntion to the definitions and exclusions. Most policies will not cover things like racing, but 4wheeling is normally covered unless it is an organized timed event i.e UROC, since that would be considered a race since there is a time limit.

A roll over is an upset of vehicle and it will 99% of the time be a collision loss, and if it is a 1 vehicle accident there is noone to blame but yourself, comprhensive will rarely cover a roll over unless there are extenuating circumstances, which sometime do happen, but are very rare. Most rolls are driver error.

On a side note, I think the forset service should make him go pick up all the debris he left behind, I guess I am not very forgiving. At least he's ok so I don't feel like such a jerk

[familyrover]

who pays to get the wreck off the mountain, and clean up the mess? Does insurance cover his vehicle loss? inquiring minds want to know.....
Glad he is ok, I always wonder how many times this can happen before our trails are closed for "safety" reasons.

I asked this same question to my insurance company, state farm. My agent said that any damage that occurs on a FS road is covered.

[74BuckinBronc]

I have state farm too, thanks for the info!

[89GMCSuburban]

I'm from Texas, moved up here to Thornton in June. I have to agree, lots of beer-swilling idiots down there. That's why so many off-roading spots were getting closed.
Weren't too many clubs either. The one I was in did trail cleanups, though. Guess I was lucky in that sense...

[stewp97]

I believe I saw that on a wrecker yesterday on I-70 heading towards Denver. If it was not the same one, it sure looked similar. It's amazing anyone lived!

[rubbersidedown]

I talked to some guys on our SC trip last weekend who where up there, and they said the cab was filled with beer cans, empty and full!!! this may explain ALOT!:mad:

[XJ Dave]

I got a good look inside about 1 week after the roll. I didn't notice any beer cans, But I did notice that there was no blood anywhere on any surface, and the seats, including the driver's seat, were ripped in several places across the middle by sharp debris, indicating that no one was in the driver's seat when it happened. Plus the driver's door was open, bent in half and folded up against the front fender. It may have sprung open during the roll or may have been open before the roll even started.
I'm thinking the guy managed to get out early during the decent or was out of the car before it went over the edge.
Does anyone know?
Dave S.

[Scooter]

Driver error would be classified as an at fault accident and would be covered by the collision coverage of most carriers. The rate would change accordingly at renewal time, just as an on the street accident would. ( that is the down side to making a claim, no ticket needed ) I am an agent and I do know shit!! Its ok because a lot of agents dont.. to my understanding the forest service will contact the owner for removal, if not done the forest service will take over and bill the owner. Retreival could be covered under a towing or roadside coverage depending on the wording. There is alot of differances in towing coverages..

[fredlg]

Camped up there on the Montezuma side of Webster last Sunday after doing Red Cone. Another group came in later in the evening and camped nearby, consisiting of about 4 vehicles, including several tow trucks. We had seen them earlier Sunday afternoon coming out the dirt road leading to the start of Red Cone/Webster. Thought it a bit strange until they said they were hired by the insurance company to retrieve the rolled vehicle. They had tried to get to it from the Webster side but couldn't and had to go back over Guanella pass to come back at it from Montezuma side. Saw them heading up on Monday morning. Bet is cost a few bucks....

[Ford Prefect]

Camped up there on the Montezuma side of Webster last Sunday after doing Red Cone. Another group came in later in the evening and camped nearby, consisiting of about 4 vehicles, including several tow trucks. We had seen them earlier Sunday afternoon coming out the dirt road leading to the start of Red Cone/Webster. Thought it a bit strange until they said they were hired by the insurance company to retrieve the rolled vehicle. They had tried to get to it from the Webster side but couldn't and had to go back over Guanella pass to come back at it from Montezuma side. Saw them heading up on Monday morning. Bet is cost a few bucks....

WHAT A JOB!

Hi I would like you to go and collect this piece of total crap off the side of the hill. Would you mind?

What a job, and yeah, I bet they are getting a lot of cash for it too!

Cheers
B

[jimfoo]

What I heard is that the guy pulled over to let someone by and he slid off the
edge a bit. Someone then hooked up a strap to try to pull him back up, but
that just caused the truck to go down all the way. Luckily for the other
vehicle, the strap broke. So no the driver wasn't in the vehicle.

I got a good look inside about 1 week after the roll. I didn't notice any beer cans, But I did notice that there was no blood anywhere on any surface, and the seats, including the driver's seat, were ripped in several places across the middle by sharp debris, indicating that no one was in the driver's seat when it happened. Plus the driver's door was open, bent in half and folded up against the front fender. It may have sprung open during the roll or may have been open before the roll even started.
I'm thinking the guy managed to get out early during the decent or was out of the car before it went over the edge.
Does anyone know?
Dave S.

[Wrench]

Has anyone claimed the rear axle yet? That will work as a great rear axle swap in any Wranger. (IF IT'S STILL STRAIGHT!?!)

[Hippie]

Glad to hear he lived - Now he needs to buy a lotto ticket

[FLARubi]

Hi to everyone. I am new to this forum. Was looking for information on Ouray as I am planning a trip out there next June. (Looking to make some friends that know the area :) :hail: )

Found this thread and was shocked. Glad the guy walked away.

In looking at the pics, especially the second one showing the trail, it seems to me that it is wide enough to pass. I wonder if there was driver error involved? In the thrid picture there seem to be a rut. I wonder if the driver got a tire stuck in the rut and as a result ended up rolling. Has anyone on this site been on that trail recently? Have they turned around at that point? Could anyone who has been on this trail post their comments about the spot and successfully navigating it to avoid a similar roll.

Thanks for any comment.

Dan

[OffroadGirl]

If you're at the top, get out and look down to make sure no one is coming up before starting down. If you're at the bottom, look up. Uphill has the right of way except in unusual circumstances. At each switchback make sure there isn't anyone coming in the opposite direction. If there is, wait on the switchback.

I don't see why that part of the trail should be dangerous unless people aren't paying attention and start a section of the trail when someone is already coming in the other direction.

Of course, if you're on Black Bear Pass in Ouray or some other trail with tight switchbacks this could be a problem. The switchbacks on Webster Pass are all wide enough for vehicles to pass each other.

FYI that third picture is looking from one section of the trail down to another section -- that isn't looking down part of the actual trail.

Have fun in Ouray!

[JeepEatingCrusher]

My brother talked to the insurance agent that was there the day after the roll and apparently they had suspicions of it being insurance fraud, that the guy pushed it off. The area it rolled down from would require something either unbelievably stupid or on purpose