For sale section.

[thekiffer]

I have to say I have enjoyed the no reposting but think that it is bull that you can't repost if you change the price or add items to the ad. Once again there needs to be a Garage Sale or Parting out section for multiple items.

[Jason's CJ5]

You don't need to re-post, just use the edit button and change what you want to .

[Camp]

So, you feel that as long as you change your price, you should be able to repost. If this is the case, what stops someone from changing their price by $1 each time they repost and repost 12 times a day? They can keep lowering it and then raising it back up but, with your rule proposal, that would be acceptable. Doesn't make much sense, does it? :rolleyes:

[thekiffer]

I deffinately see your point. I guess being more explicit in your rules would be good and also being less of a Natzi about banning when people aren't breaking rules to be a jerk (which is 90% of people who both break the rules and get banned.) Also sarcasm with a suggestion ie...rolling eyes isn't neccessary. With your current rules no one can repost even if somebody wants to change there ad entirely. :rolleyes: And people who have been a part of this forum for long amounts of time can be banned on a whim. :rolleyes:



So, you feel that as long as you change your price, you should be able to repost. If this is the case, what stops someone from changing their price by $1 each time they repost and repost 12 times a day? They can keep lowering it and then raising it back up but, with your rule proposal, that would be acceptable. Doesn't make much sense, does it? :rolleyes:

[Camp]

Yeah, I see the vagueness in the rule:


1. Threads expire automatically after 2 weeks. You are NOT allowed to repost an item before the previous ad has expired. Deleting an ad yourself does not count as "expiring", the clock starts when you initially post the ad. No more bumping or deleting and reposting.


I guess I could read right over the BOLD "NOT" in the rules and understand "You" as "except me". That would be the unclear part of the rule right?

[Eric]

I have to say I have enjoyed the no reposting but think that it is bull that you can't repost if you change the price or add items to the ad. Once again there needs to be a Garage Sale or Parting out section for multiple items.
As mentioned, you are welcome to edit your ad as needed to update the price or add additional info. If you have additional items, and it has been awhile since your initial ad was posted, I'd suggest posting a separate ad for the new items. As Camp so eloquently explained, the restriction on bumping ads is quite clear. Under no circumstances may you repost an ad before the original ad has expired. If you should happen to delete an ad yourself and change your mind (deal fell through perhaps), contact a moderator to have your original ad reopened/undeleted.

The suggestion for a "garage sale" and/or "parting out" section has been noted.

:beer:

[Steve]

And people who have been a part of this forum for long amounts of time can be banned on a whim. :rolleyes:
I can't speak for Camp (who can? ;) ) but I can say that when I ban someone from the Classified section it's usually no longer than 2 weeks, which is not much of a hardship. When I do that it's for something pretty clearly wrong in the forum rules (like deleting and bumping) and not "on a whim" and I don't give any consideration to who it is or what their member number is, which is as it should be.

For everyone's info, moderators can still see posts & threads after you delete them even though you can't. So, it's pretty simple to see if someone has deleted a classified ad and reposted it. That's not a simple mistake; it takes some effort to delete the thread and then repost it, which is quite clearly against the forum rules.

[thekiffer]

Once again your sarcasm is duely noted and totally uneccessary. How about???(see below) And yes it is vague. There are varieties of unusual situations. As for the rest of you thanks for the input. I do think 2 weeks is a bit strict. You act as if people are just out to get you guys. Stop the paranoya!! We are just trying to sell our stuff as best we can and most of us are not trying piss anyone off or break the rules.


Yeah, I see the vagueness in the rule:


1. Threads expire automatically after 2 weeks. You are NOT allowed to repost an item for any reason, before the previous ad has expired. Deleting an ad yourself does not count as "expiring", the clock starts when you initially post the ad. No more bumping or deleting and reposting.


I guess I could read right over the BOLD "NOT" in the rules and understand "You" as "except me". That would be the unclear part of the rule right?

[Big Dave]

Once again your sarcasm is duely noted and totally uneccessary. How about???(see below) And yes it is vague. There are varieties of unusual situations. As for the rest of you thanks for the input. I do think 2 weeks is a bit strict. You act as if people are just out to get you guys. Stop the paranoya!! We are just trying to sell our stuff as best we can and most of us are not trying piss anyone off or break the rules.

So where exactly is this vagueness? Most people seem to be able to handle these rules just fine, and those who can't are dealt with accordingly. I'm not a mod here, but deal with crap like this on my own site quite a bit. Camp, Steve, Eric, and the others run this site in their free time. Part of the reasoning behind these rules is to save them time from having to nitpick every single post out there. At least on my site, I lose money on the whole deal, and spend quite a few hours a week maintaining and updating the site, so now I'm in an even bigger hole time-wise after I lost money on the deal. Give these guys a break and just follow the rules they set forth.

[HillBillyMan]

Like it... lump it... or leave it.
Rules are rules.
I personally don't think they are unreasonable.

It sounds to me like you want those who have been here a while to get special treatment. In that case... what is the cut off date?

Even US paying supporters don't get that type of special treatment.

[thekiffer]

I full on agree and my infraction was unintentional. I am so sorry!! I guess I am just an idiot. I do try to read the rules and follow them as much as possible. I really didn't think it would be a problem to drop my price by $30 and re do my ad. I do understand and agree with why I shouldn't be able to do this but didn't know this going into it. Seriously though, a warning for most of us is enough.


So where exactly is this vagueness? Most people seem to be able to handle these rules just fine, and those who can't are dealt with accordingly. I'm not a mod here, but deal with crap like this on my own site quite a bit. Camp, Steve, Eric, and the others run this site in their free time. Part of the reasoning behind these rules is to save them time from having to nitpick every single post out there. At least on my site, I lose money on the whole deal, and spend quite a few hours a week maintaining and updating the site, so now I'm in an even bigger hole time-wise after I lost money on the deal. Give these guys a break and just follow the rules they set forth.

[HillBillyMan]

I might agree with the warning kiffer. That is usually enough to get the point across. I can see why they might not do it that way due to time constraints.
Been there and done that myself. :o

[Big Dave]

I full on agree and my infraction was unintentional. I am so sorry!! I guess I am just an idiot. I do try to read the rules and follow them as much as possible. I really didn't think it would be a problem to drop my price by $30 and re do my ad. I do understand and agree with why I shouldn't be able to but didn't know this going into it. Seriously though, a warning for most of us is enough.

Or you could've just read the rules first . . . . . . . . if ANY reason is too vague for you, I don't know what to tell ya.

[thekiffer]

Or you could've just read the rules first . . . . . . . . if ANY reason is too vague for you, I don't know what to tell ya.

LOL, Dave I added that part that is the point.... That is what I put in to make it more clear....

[Steve]

I might agree with the warning kiffer. That is usually enough to get the point across. I can see why they might not do it that way due to time constraints.
Exactly. This has been discussed before in other threads. Trust me, you have no idea how many people break the rules in the Classified forum, thus requiring action from a mod; usually deleting the thread. I'm not talking about minor stuff, just major ones. Personally, I don't have the time nor the desire to attempt to contact every one of those via email or PM, and then respond (at least once) to the inevitable follow-on reply/questions. It's already time consuming enough trying to read every single new thread in the Classified forum, especially when I have no interest (like everything in the Jeep-specific section.) :D And, here's the flip side of the length of membership issue: I'm much more apt to send a warning PM to a new member who may not know the rules than I am for an older member who almost certainly does.

[thekiffer]

So what you are saying is that you can not put an automatic RED text warning at the top of the screen like you did with my restriction notice? Or that removing someone's privalages takes less time than emailing them a warning? Or that because a person has been around means they understand every rule you put into place. I have seen plenty of people do weird things and not be deleted...that is how long I have been around. Most of them again were not intentional. But seriously whatever. I added my suggestions. I am serving my sentence and I will be back in two weeks. I would like to add a thank you for the discussion because that is what this is. I would also like to add that I am a bit frustrated but I do understand both sides. Lastly I would like to say for those of you who were curtious about the treatment of this issue thanks, and for those of you who weren't grow up.



Exactly. This has been discussed before in other threads. Trust me, you have no idea how many people break the rules in the Classified forum, thus requiring action from a mod; usually deleting the thread. I'm not talking about minor stuff, just major ones. Personally, I don't have the time nor the desire to attempt to contact every one of those via email or PM, and then respond (at least once) to the inevitable follow-on reply/questions. It's already time consuming enough trying to read every single new thread in the Classified forum, especially when I have no interest (like everything in the Jeep-specific section.) :D And, here's the flip side of the length of membership issue: I'm much more apt to send a warning PM to a new member who may not know the rules than I am for an older member who almost certainly does.

[Eric]

So what you are saying is that you can not put an automatic RED text warning at the top of the screen like you did with my restriction notice? Or that removing someone's privalages takes less time than emailing them a warning?

Both are accomplished with a couple clicks of the mouse. The mod temporarily "bans" you to a restricted usergroup which a) cannot post to the classifieds and b) contains the red notice. Yes, it actually does take significantly less time than sending an email.

Frankly I don't see how the "for any reason" part clarifies anything, but it's a relatively simply change to make if it will prevent any future confusion. Usually the biggest challenge is getting users to read the rules before posting in the first place :(

Steve, Camp, Cresso, Scott, etc. put a LOT of effort into keeping the Classifieds organized and it all stems from users ignoring those 5 simple rules. :(

[Camp]

So what you are saying is that you can not put an automatic RED text warning at the top of the screen like you did with my restriction notice?

What is the warning going to say........"Hey, did you read the rules before you posted"? Besides, it would take an enormous amount of code to have it look at someones post and warn them about some rule they are breaking. The kind of code that involves and entire software package.



Or that removing someone's privalages takes less time than emailing them a warning?

No, it means I have no interest in sitting at my real job with a list of people on who I have warned and who I haven't. If I can't track people with warnings, that means I just keep warning people but, can't enforce anything. What deterent does this warning have if there is never enforcement? Like Steve pointed out, you would be shocked at the number of violations we have in the classifieds per day. I don't have time to keep track of it.



Or that because a person has been around means they understand every rule you put into place.

No, it is expected of them. This is not a daycare and I am not into hand holding. When you get pulled over for speeding and you tell the cop, "Well, I didn't notice the speed limit dropped from 75mph to 55mph." Does he just say, "Oh, OK then, thanks for not paying attention and have a nice day."?

EDIT: I deleted this after Eric answered with the post above this. After seeing all the silly comments that have ensued, I have chosen to reopen my own post as it addresses a lot of the repeated questions.

[thekiffer]

Stock emails would only take a couple clicks also. This along with generated warnings.....Nobody is challenging the work you guys do....."for any reason" clarifies by stipulating that even if you want to change your ad pics price or remove items that you can only use the edit function. The way it reads now it does not explicitly state any potential glitches a person might face. Which when you are placing an ad is frustrating because it may have been posted on a Friday and you don't notice problems until monday so basically it is now 24th on the list but it was run incorrectly and seen incorrectly by mostly every body. Now in order to make a change you edit the ad but it is at the bottom of the list so all those who have seen it have seen it in it's incorrect form. No way to bump it up only to allow two weeks to go by with it edited but with much fewer people noticing that the corrections were made because it has already been viewed. I know there is no perfect system. This is the flaw. It is liveable. I just didn't realize there were no exceptions. I was following the spirit of the rule which is to avoid reposting to push my ad to the top just because it was moved to the bottom. I made a legitimate substantial change. Now I know.



Both are accomplished with a couple clicks of the mouse. The mod temporarily "bans" you to a restricted usergroup which a) cannot post to the classifieds and b) contains the red notice. Yes, it actually does take significantly less time than sending an email.

Frankly I don't see how the "for any reason" part clarifies anything, but it's a relatively simply change to make if it will prevent any future confusion. Usually the biggest challenge is getting users to read the rules before posting in the first place :(

Steve, Camp, Cresso, Scott, etc. put a LOT of effort into keeping the Classifieds organized and it all stems from users ignoring those 5 simple rules. :(

[Daisy]

My husband read the rules...followed them and was then told he purposefully deleted his thread and reposted it which he did not...it was past the two weeks and when he reposted it got banned from classifieds and then posted a similar thread as such just wondering why it happened cuz he thought he followed all the rules and then that thread got deleted. Not trying to start anything but apparently things are not done the exact same for every person. Not that his PM correspondances after his threads were deleted were correct but his threads were still deleted without any reason why and even after quoting the rules that again he read multiple times didnt understand what he did wrong. Regardless of ur hardships of being an admin of such a high traffic site...people do read rules and sometimes you guys do make mistakes...no one is perfect...if you have too much on ur plate that you cant respond to an inquisitive thread as to why a thread was deleted or to send a quick message to the person, all without being sarcastic then maybe you should recruit a couple more admins to help out. Its not difficult..we have run many forums with lots of rules before as well...you have plenty of people on these forums you should be able to trust by now.

[thekiffer]

wow, nice point. One reason I like this site is that it is moderated closely but I agree with Daisy if you want to maintain the quality of this site while offering the close knit community that this site offers, then you do have to empliment steps to keep it at this caliber.



My husband read the rules...followed them and was then told he purposefully deleted his thread and reposted it which he did not...it was past the two weeks and when he reposted it got banned from classifieds and then posted a similar thread as such just wondering why it happened cuz he thought he followed all the rules and then that thread got deleted. Not trying to start anything but apparently things are not done the exact same for every person. Not that his PM correspondances after his threads were deleted were correct but his threads were still deleted without any reason why and even after quoting the rules that again he read multiple times didnt understand what he did wrong. Regardless of ur hardships of being an admin of such a high traffic site...people do read rules and sometimes you guys do make mistakes...no one is perfect...if you have too much on ur plate that you cant respond to an inquisitive thread as to why a thread was deleted or to send a quick message to the person, all without being sarcastic then maybe you should recruit a couple more admins to help out. Its not difficult..we have run many forums with lots of rules before as well...you have plenty of people on these forums you should be able to trust by now.

[Camp]

My husband read the rules...followed them and was then told he purposefully deleted his thread and reposted it which he did not...it was past the two weeks and when he reposted it got banned from classifieds and then posted a similar thread as such just wondering why it happened cuz he thought he followed all the rules and then that thread got deleted. Not trying to start anything but apparently things are not done the exact same for every person. Not that his PM correspondances after his threads were deleted were correct but his threads were still deleted without any reason why and even after quoting the rules that again he read multiple times didnt understand what he did wrong. Regardless of ur hardships of being an admin of such a high traffic site...people do read rules and sometimes you guys do make mistakes...no one is perfect...if you have too much on ur plate that you cant respond to an inquisitive thread as to why a thread was deleted or to send a quick message to the person, all without being sarcastic then maybe you should recruit a couple more admins to help out. Its not difficult..we have run many forums with lots of rules before as well...you have plenty of people on these forums you should be able to trust by now.

Acutally, your husband did bump his add. I don't know if Eric still has it but, we had a screen shot proving it. As we have said, we can still see those items that are deleted by the general public. I'm really hoping he still has it saved so he can prove it to you as I found your husbands response quite funny to lie outright to me about doing it when I was looking at the proof. Then he followed with a tiraid of obsenities that made it that much funnier to me. At that point, he was banned from the whole site. I don't tolerate people who can't tell the truth.

[Camp]

wow, nice point. One reason I like this site is that it is moderated closely but I agree with Daisy if you want to maintain the quality of this site while offering the close knit community that this site offers, then you do have to empliment steps to keep it at this caliber.

I'm still utterly confused as to what isn't 100% clear about that first rule. There is no statement to the effect of, "Except when you have something special happen." or "Unless you have good reason" or "If your first add just isn't working out"

Why is it that everyone thinks they have a special circumstance that means they don't have to follow the rules. The rule is very clear that you cannot delete and repost. I personally don't try to read more into rules than what the say. You can't write a rule to address every excuse someone will come up with to break it so, we take them for what they are and everyone serves a 2wk ban when caught breaking certain rules. Others serve permanent bans.

[Steve]

...apparently things are not done the exact same for every person. ...if you have too much on ur plate that you cant respond to an inquisitive thread as to why a thread was deleted or to send a quick message to the person.
Just a clarification, we DO treat everyone the same even though we get requests to treat someone "special" for a variety of reasons. And I can assure you that I respond to EVERY PM I get asking about the Classified rules or why a thread was deleted. However, as Camp alludes to, we occasionally receive nasty or threatening PMs on this subject, which is not tolerated and which will almost certainly result in a ban.

[thekiffer]

so post mine......mine was not intential....I did not drop by a dollar.....I did not just repost to get to the top but there is no way to prove that. Whatever the situation with Daisy and her husband doesn't excuse no time to warn.....I understand why people get so upset. I have never been banned before. I had one situation before where I was warned in a sitiuation with another user. I got the warning took it and the situation was solved. I appreciate advice that is why I am here. I don't appreciate the smack down. I know it is your right. According to you the rules are clear. It is very similar to people who break tread lightly rules. Most of us who have wheeled have broken the rules at one point or another usually unknowingly. As we learn more about the rules we follow them more strictly. When we see someone break those rules it makes us mad but it is important to remember where we came from. Offer some warning. Usually people will listen when the spirit of the warning is intented to help. When offered in a spirit of [b]HA[b] caught you it is resisted.

[Daisy]

Well since I sat here and watched him search through the classifieds and then do a full search for his ad and then go by threads he made and we couldnt find it I would really love to see your proof. And all the "tiraid of obsenities " were in PM after your first pm calling him a child and being sarcastic as you normally are. His threads in the forums were obsenity free....heck the first one asking why was simply just that...he posted the rules asking what it was he did wrong.

Again you make assumptions that are incorrect...calling him a liar is pretty rude...why would he go through the trouble of trying to find his old thread so he could just update it with the new price...BECAUSE he READ the rules...then couldnt find it so reposted it. Better yet why would he have deleted the thread when we were still trying to sell it.

See becuase you are so blind with being full of yourself Camp...you think you know everything...you think you KNOW FOR FACT he lied...you think you know he bumped his add blah blah blah....what I know is he did NOT delete his own thread that night and he did search 3 different ways for the thread to update it and IF it got deleted for some reason it sure as hell was not on purpose by him. Yet a simple NON SARCASTIC response to his thread asking why...would have solved the situation easily.

You can sit here and respond multiple times to this thread but you couldnt just answer his question in his thread because again you thought you knew everything and assumed he deleted it on purpose.

[thekiffer]

These are the exact issues I am refering to. I mean stuff happens. You think you posted but you didn't or you posted twice or you can't see your post or a million other weird happenings that really aren't intentional. The hard core smack down allows for no mistakes ever. This escalates situations instead of deescalating them. Again, I understand that people do take advantage but treat them as an individual. They are the 1%. In this situation people do want to be treated as individuals. Who, for the most part, do try to follow the rules.

[Eric]

Better yet why would he have deleted the thread when we were still trying to sell it.

Good question... I suggest asking him.


IF it got deleted for some reason it sure as hell was not on purpose by him.

Purely accidental you say? And yet he took the time to fill out the reason he was deleting it. Accidentally hitting the "delete" checkbox? Maybe... Accidentally hitting the delete checkbox and then filling out the reason you're deleting it ("Sold")? Right... :rolleyes:


You can sit here and respond multiple times to this thread but you couldnt just answer his question in his thread because again you thought you knew everything and assumed he deleted it on purpose.

:spit: Sorry, but you have no idea what a hole you're digging for yourself. Screenshot forwarded to Camp since it seems most appropriate for him to show everyone the proof of your husband's attempted deception.

All of this over a free service :rolleyes:

[Daisy]

These are the exact issues I am refering to. I mean stuff happens. You think post but you didn't or you posted twice or you can't see your post or a million other weird happenings that really aren't intentional. The hard core smack down allows for no mistakes ever. This escalates situations instead of deescalating them. Again, I understand that people do take advantage but treat them as an individual. They are the 1%. In this situation people do want to be treated as individuals. Who, for the most part, do try to follow the rules.


Exactly...and as I said...a simple response to his thread when he asked why would have one told him why it was deleted then two would have told him exactly who to talk to in PM about it. Hell he even PM eric who didnt respond. Only got the response from camp which he decided to insult my husband thus leading to the obsenities and him being banned. We understand the concept you guys have no questioning that its how you handle it...from the imeediate ban to the sarcasm etc. If you are gonne be rude and sarcastic in your PM's you should expect to get it back. Regardless it could have been avoided all together.

[Daisy]

Good question... I suggest asking him.



Purely accidental you say? And yet he took the time to fill out the reason he was deleting it. Accidentally hitting the "delete" checkbox? Maybe... Accidentally hitting the delete checkbox and then filling out the reason you're deleting it ("Sold")? Right... :rolleyes:



:spit: Sorry, but you have no idea what a hole you're digging for yourself. Screenshot forwarded to Camp since it seems most appropriate for him to show everyone the proof of your husband's attempted deception.

All of this over a free service :rolleyes:


LOL if the deleteion reason was sold I would be worried to know who it was who did it because it wasnt sold. I know it wasnt him. Not that we can prove someone else using his account but that makes absolutely no sense.

and yes it is a free service...still no reason for admins to be full of themselves and act the way Camp did. Come on Eric he even sent you a PM asking why...people dont go out of there way asking these things like that when they full well know they deleted it themselves...he knows very well that pretty much all action on a forum can be tracked we have run forums forever. If you want to beleive if he did all of this knowing you can check into it then fine...beleive it. There are plenty of much better free services we can sell our stuff on...including the Jeep someone bought off another free service.

[Eric]

These are the exact issues I am refering to. I mean stuff happens. You think you posted but you didn't or you posted twice or you can't see your post or a million other weird happenings that really aren't intentional. The hard core smack down allows for no mistakes ever. This escalates situations instead of deescalating them. Again, I understand that people do take advantage but treat them as an individual. They are the 1%. In this situation people do want to be treated as individuals. Who, for the most part, do try to follow the rules.
Hold on a sec, this particular case was no accident. Give Camp a few minutes and he'll post the screenshot of the deleted thread. Yes, this particular discussion had gotten so heated, and "jiddup" was so defiant in his denial that he deleted the ad himself, that I actually took the time to capture a screenshot of the incriminating evidence. This is a glimpse of some of the effort that goes on behind the scenes of a website like this, and testimony that we do in fact take the time to discuss any concerns that a user may have.

[CSP]

All of this over a free service :rolleyes:

My thoughts exactly!

It amazes me how one can complain about something that is done for them for free. If anything you all should be thanking Eric for putting this together and the mods for doing what they do in their best judgement. It may not be to your liking, but there's always the Rocky Mtn. News classifieds at $$$$ for however many lines.

[Eric]

LOL if the deleteion reason was sold I would be worried to know who it was who did it because it wasnt sold. I know it wasnt him. Not that we can prove someone else using his account but that makes absolutely no sense.

Again, you're just digging yourself in deeper. "Jiddup" has only ever used a single IP address (shared by you of course). So, whoever deleted it was masquerading as "jiddup" from your own computer. The user who created it was "jiddup". The user who deleted it was "jiddup" giving the reason as "sold". The user "jiddup" has only posted from one IP address (ie. the same computer). Sounds like Camp isn't the only person "jiddup" hasn't been honest with....

[Daisy]

My thoughts exactly!

It amazes me how one can complain about something that is done for them for free. If anything you all should be thanking Eric for putting this together and the mods for doing what they do in their best judgement. It may not be to your liking, but there's always the Rocky Mtn. News classifieds at $$$$ for however many lines.


See the free service is/was appreciated...it was how it was all handled that is in question. Camp can post all the screenshots he wants...one they are easily edited two as I have said it wasnt sold so I have no idea who would have done that. It wasnt sold for like over two weeks after the incident off another 4x4 forum. So post em...I could care less. And its not that difficult putting it together....the classifieds section is a very simple basic part of this forum that has a few permissions set to it. Its self maintained except for the mods having to check threads for following the rules. Dont make it sound so much harder than it is. Craigslist is a complicated free service.

Anyways I am done with this...thekiffer I would just let it go as well. You cant change people that dont want or dont care to change. The incident with my husband was well over a month ago and every time it happens as with you the same threads come up and the same responses happen.

[thekiffer]

Wow, thought this was a suggestion box. It is that kind of thinking that maintains medocracy. Besides, Nothing is free. I may not have a membership but I have supported many of the sponsors of this site who in turn support this site. I have also supported many of the users of this site who have in turn supported this site. This is a community not a free site. We all rely on each other in one way or another. If we don't ever want to improve it then let's move to the ghetto....and with enough people using Rocky mtn news there won't be a site....



My thoughts exactly!

It amazes me how one can complain about something that is done for them for free. If anything you all should be thanking Eric for putting this together and the mods for doing what they do in their best judgement. It may not be to your liking, but there's always the Rocky Mtn. News classifieds at $$$$ for however many lines.

[Camp]

Well since I sat here and watched him search through the classifieds and then do a full search for his ad and then go by threads he made and we couldnt find it I would really love to see your proof. And all the "tiraid of obsenities " were in PM after your first pm calling him a child and being sarcastic as you normally are. His threads in the forums were obsenity free....heck the first one asking why was simply just that...he posted the rules asking what it was he did wrong.

Again you make assumptions that are incorrect...calling him a liar is pretty rude...why would he go through the trouble of trying to find his old thread so he could just update it with the new price...BECAUSE he READ the rules...then couldnt find it so reposted it. Better yet why would he have deleted the thread when we were still trying to sell it.

See becuase you are so blind with being full of yourself Camp...you think you know everything...you think you KNOW FOR FACT he lied...you think you know he bumped his add blah blah blah....what I know is he did NOT delete his own thread that night and he did search 3 different ways for the thread to update it and IF it got deleted for some reason it sure as hell was not on purpose by him. Yet a simple NON SARCASTIC response to his thread asking why...would have solved the situation easily.

You can sit here and respond multiple times to this thread but you couldnt just answer his question in his thread because again you thought you knew everything and assumed he deleted it on purpose.

Well, here you go. I have been busy at work so, it took me a minute to come up with the screen shot. I'm sure he didn't delete this though, it must have been the magic of the system and it must not have liked him :rolleyes:

Any other questions?

http://www.colorado4x4.org/images/classifieds/jiddup.jpg

[Eric]

Come on Eric he even sent you a PM asking why

This he did, but you may be surprised that my presence here is quite sporadic. By the time I received his PM he had already managed to get himself banned from this site. After reviewing the PM discussion between jiddup and Camp, and reviewing the deleted post in question, it was clear that "jiddup" was not being honest and his incessant belligerence fully warranted the ban. Thus the screenshot was saved and we moved on.


...people dont go out of there way asking these things like that when they full well know they deleted it themselves...he knows very well that pretty much all action on a forum can be tracked we have run forums forever. If you want to beleive if he did all of this knowing you can check into it then fine...beleive it.[quote]

I know only the facts as presented by the forum logs. If the security of your own PC and household are in question such that you are unaware when others are using your PC, then there is little help that I can offer you.

[quote] There are plenty of much better free services we can sell our stuff on...including the Jeep someone bought off another free service.

By all means, knock yourself out. The Rocky Mountain News is another good source for classifieds. If you are unhappy here, your static IP address makes it quite simple to help you find the door. Always a pleasure to serve :) :beer:

[longboy]

Camp can post all the screenshots he wants...one they are easily edited

Camp isn't crafty enough to Photoshop it :flipoff2:

[Daisy]

This he did, but you may be surprised that my presence here is quite sporadic. By the time I received his PM he had already managed to get himself banned from this site. After reviewing the PM discussion between jiddup and Camp, and reviewing the deleted post in question, it was clear that "jiddup" was not being honest and his incessant belligerence fully warranted the ban. Thus the screenshot was saved and we moved on.


And of course nothing is to be said about Camps first PM to him? Regardless of the thread being deleted...even if he did it in his sleep w/e.. plain and simple at the time he seriously did not know why the second thread was deleted. He isnt going to lie to me over a stupid thread and I never saw him delete it. Thus the PM to you and the thread in the forum asking why. It still doesnt make how camp acted ok. None of his PM's would have even resulted if it was handled by an admin properly. But go on keep calling him a liar and I am sure this isnt going to be the last thread on how these things are handled.

[Eric]

Camp can post all the screenshots he wants...one they are easily edited two as I have said it wasnt sold so I have no idea who would have done that.

For the record, the screenshot above was uploaded to the server on June 14th, the same day jiddup was banned from these forums. There's no way to edit it and upload it without affecting the timestamp. This evidence is what you could call "iron clad".


You cant change people that dont want or dont care to change. The incident with my husband was well over a month ago and every time it happens as with you the same threads come up and the same responses happen.

You're absolutely correct, there are just some folks out there who simply refuse to follow the rules :(

[Camp]

Camp isn't crafty enough to Photoshop it :flipoff2:

They don't let me have that program......and your right,......I'm not good enough with the computer to use it :D

[thekiffer]

Seriously it is sad that is the way you take suggestions. You should get rid of this section in that case. Oh but that is a suggestion.... My comment was made to say that everyone on here needs each other but apparently you feel like that isn't true. Good to know. Just a # or a static IP address. Please email this fact to all of your Advertisers. So they know you are going to treat there customers like crap.



By all means, knock yourself out. The Rocky Mountain News is another good source for classifieds. If you are unhappy here, your static IP address makes it quite simple to help you find the door. Always a pleasure to serve :) :beer:[/QUOTE]

[Camp]

Seriously it is sad that is the way you take suggestions. You should get rid of this section in that case. Oh but that is a suggestion.... My comment was made to say that everyone on here needs each other but apparently you feel like that isn't true. Good to know. Just a # or a static IP address. Please email this fact to all of your Advertisers. So they know you are going to treat there customers like crap.



By all means, knock yourself out. The Rocky Mountain News is another good source for classifieds. If you are unhappy here, your static IP address makes it quite simple to help you find the door. Always a pleasure to serve :) :beer:[/QUOTE]

Do you honestly think that Eric is making money on this thing?

[thekiffer]

Has nothing to do with making of money but more to do with existing at all. Do you honestly think that this community can exist with out users??? Egg and chicken my man.

Jesus man I am not even saying I could do a better job. I think this thread has brought up a valid issue. The issue isn't only the rule but how you respond to your rules. How you have responded is deffensive. I did however try to offer a simple solution. I have been talked to sarcastically, I have been told to go else where. Well keep that up!! Do it to everyone who has a problem. Then you guys won't have to worry about being moderators at all. If you aren't open to suggestion (which has now become issue #3) don't have a suggestion section





Do you honestly think that Eric is making money on this thing?[/QUOTE]

[Camp]

Has nothing to do with making of money but more to do with existing at all. Do you honestly think that this community can exist with out users??? Egg and chicken my man.

So enlighten me with your great wisdom, what does Eric get out of putting this here? I'm guessing that you don't know him and don't realize that the level of tech on this board is of absolutely no use to him.

[Eric]

Seriously it is sad that is the way you take suggestions. You should get rid of this section in that case. Oh but that is a suggestion.... My comment was made to say that everyone on here needs each other but apparently you feel like that isn't true. Good to know. Just a # or a static IP address. Please email this fact to all of your Advertisers. So they know you are going to treat there customers like crap.

At what point did I say I wasn't considering your suggestion??? :confused: You said you wanted the rule clarified and I said I'll do that. I also noted your suggestion to add "garage sale" and "parting out" sections to the classifieds. Was there something I overlooked?

All suggestions are welcome and I read every single one of them. Not all suggestions are appropriate however, and often suggestions are born from a misunderstanding. If a suggestion isn't implemented, don't take it personally. A suggestion box does not imply that every suggestion will be implemented. It simply means ever suggestion will be considered. History can show that I've incorporated many of the submitted suggestions over the life of these forums, while others were not.

This particular "suggestion" thread has gone off on a tangent with regards to a user trying to circumvent the rules and, when confronted, turned belligerent. These forums are better served without the presence of such an individual.

[thekiffer]

You never said anything accept if you would be happier some place else go there.



At what point did I say I wasn't considering your suggestion??? :confused: You said you wanted the rule clarified and I said I'll do that. I also noted your suggestion to add "garage sale" and "parting out" sections to the classifieds. Was there something I overlooked?


All suggestions are welcome and I read every single one of them. Not all suggestions are appropriate however, and often suggestions are born from a misunderstanding. If a suggestion isn't implemented, don't take it personally. A suggestion box does not imply that every suggestion will be implemented. It simply means ever suggestion will be considered. History can show that I've incorporated many of the submitted suggestions over the life of these forums, while others were not.

I understand that.


This particular "suggestion" thread has gone off on a tangent with regards to a user trying to circumvent the rules and, when confronted, turned belligerent. These forums are better served without the presence of such an individual.

I disagree I believe there are just several issue that have come to light all at once.

1.The rule though apparently clear to most wasn't as clear as it potential could be.

2. The enforcement of that rule needs to be taken on a situation to situation basis because of the problems that could potential arise. This should also be done without assuming that people are automatically out to break the rules.

3. That being a moderator does not give you the right to be rude.

4. That just because this board is a free resource doesn't mean there shouldn't be attempts at implimenting improvements or that someone who is a user should be considered as unimportant by moderators.


I at no point have been belligerent. I have challenged the status quo.

[Eric]

You never said anything accept if you would be happier some place else go there.

If someone feels too constricted by the rules and regulations that we have in place at CO4x4 then, by all means, find a suitable venue for your desired behavior. Some aspects of this website are simply non-negotiable and publicly proclaiming that you are much happier with "brand x" website because they don't have said restrictions only serves to cause problems. When someone decides to cause problems then I ask if they need help finding the door.


1.The rule though apparently clear to most wasn't as clear as it potential could be.
While I happen to disagree, I have added this to my to-do list to make it undeniably clear that bumping posts is prohibited.

2. The enforcement of that rule needs to be taken on a situation to situation basis because of the problems that could potential arise. This should also be done without assuming that people are automatically out to break the rules.
This is our current approach and I have no intention of deviating from it.

3. That being a moderator does not give you the right to be rude.
Agreed. However, every situation is different hence all concerns are addressed on a case-by-case basis. Sometimes the result is a user being banned which, undoubtedly, the affected user may consider "rude".

4. That just because this board is a free resource doesn't mean there shouldn't be attempts at implimenting improvements or that someone who is a user should be considered as unimportant by moderators.
Completely agree and we continually strive to maintain this approach


I at no point have been belligerent. I have challenged the status quo. Never said you were, and your misinterpretation of the rules has hopefully been clarified to your satisfaction.


Many thanks for the honest feedback :thumbsup:

[thekiffer]

Thank you for adressing my concerns appropriately!!! I am sorry to hear that you are so rigid about the rules. Mistakes happen! That is disappointing. I am glad to hear that you want your moderators to not be rude but I am here to tell you that isn't happening currently in all situations. As stated before. I will serve my sentence and I will use this board. I will not appologize for my opinions. And I hope that any other users who have frustrations like these will use these types of discussions to be heard and to spark change. Once again thank you Eric for having this board and thank you for aknowledging that this is a community. If the community goes to crap then there is nothing. I don't want to be a part of that. I do not want to be a rebel however I will not be walked on or treated like I am stupid or less important by anyone any where ever. Semper Fi....






If someone feels too constricted by the rules and regulations that we have in place at CO4x4 then, by all means, find a suitable venue for your desired behavior. Some aspects of this website are simply non-negotiable and publicly proclaiming that you are much happier with "brand x" website because they don't have said restrictions only serves to cause problems. When someone decides to cause problems then I ask if they need help finding the door.



Never said you were, and your misinterpretation of the rules has hopefully been clarified to your satisfaction.


Many thanks for the honest feedback :thumbsup:

[Blue Dodge]

The for sale section on here confuses the heck out of me... In all honesty I have been a member since before the board was lost and everyone had to start at zero and I still don't understand why you can't reply to a for slae post. I actually had no idea of the two week rule until I read this thread... I suppose I just fluked out, as I have only managed to sell one item I have ever listed here.... (i have only ever bought one item too, oddly they were both the same item) Oh well, not my board, you guys can do whatever you want with the rules. I just prefer a lot less rules.

[Blake Shepherd]

I've sold quite a bit of stuff on this board and have just one comment on this thread.


I firmly believe that if someone is really looking for a particular item, then they will scroll through the entire classified section and find your item. Many people who casually look at the top page of the classified are flakes and will not actually meet you to buy your item, so why waste your time with them? I've seen this time and time again.

[Blue Dodge]

I've sold quite a bit of stuff on this board and have just one comment on this thread.


I firmly believe that if someone is really looking for a particular item, then they will scroll through the entire classified section and find your item. Many people who casually look at the top page of the classified are flakes and will not actually meet you to buy your item, so why waste your time with them? I've seen this time and time again.

Depends are what you selling.... If someone is looking for a Dana 20, sure they may scroll through, if you are selling a set of Hella off-road lights, someone casually glancing at the top page may decide they would look great on their tow rig.

[Steve]

I still don't understand why you can't reply to a for slae post.
If you remember back when replies to FS ads were allowed, way too many of the replies were "BTT" or "TTT" by the poster to bump their ad to the top. There were also way too many replies saying "you're asking too much," "it's not worth that much," etc. I wasn't sure about the change to no replies being allowed, but after seeing it work well I feel it's a great improvement.

[Blake Shepherd]

Depends are what you selling.... If someone is looking for a Dana 20, sure they may scroll through, if you are selling a set of Hella off-road lights, someone casually glancing at the top page may decide they would look great on their tow rig.

Yeah but if someone is casually glancing through the top page, then they are doing just that "casually glancing" meaning they don't really care if they buy something or not - they are simply "surfing the net".

If you posted the same Hella lights last week, that post will be a page or so down. A guy that is truly looking to buy some Hella lights will see your ad and most likely will be interested in them and will contact you about them.

I've been a member of this board for a few years and even got temporarily banned a while back for "bumping" my add. Yeah I was kinda pissed but I was only banned for a few days. Was still able to surf from work though :flipoff2: Anyways, I really like how the classifieds are done and wouldn't change a thing.

[thekiffer]

A few days and 2 weeks is a bit different. Why was your punishment less severe?

This along with the removal of the ad. So, now I have no ad at all nor can I place an ad for this or anything else.




Yeah but if someone is casually glancing through the top page, then they are doing just that "casually glancing" meaning they don't really care if they buy something or not - they are simply "surfing the net".

If you posted the same Hella lights last week, that post will be a page or so down. A guy that is truly looking to buy some Hella lights will see your ad and most likely will be interested in them and will contact you about them.

I've been a member of this board for a few years and even got temporarily banned a while back for "bumping" my add. Yeah I was kinda pissed but I was only banned for a few days. Was still able to surf from work though :flipoff2: Anyways, I really like how the classifieds are done and wouldn't change a thing.

[wrestler034]

The way I see it this is a Free Forum and no one has any right to post ads if those who run the board dont think they should. Follow the rules. If one does not like them they dont have to post. I think this is all a little absurd. The ads on this board are free and therefore a privilege that can be taken away.

[Camp]

A few days and 2 weeks is a bit different. Why was your punishment less severe?

This along with the removal of the ad. So, now I have no ad at all nor can I place an ad for this or anything else.

The policy is 2 weeks for bumping. I can't say that Blake got less but, I would have no idea why off the top of my head.

What good would it do for us to ban someone from the classifieds and then not delete the ad that is in violation of the rules? That would be a wasted effort. :rolleyes:

[cedunn]

I read a really insightful thread about a year ago when much the same conversation was taking place...

Scott@Rockstomper had this to say about the board:

"This board is much less a discussion forum in a public place, than it is a forum in Eric's kitchen, with a webcam so the rest of the world can see. Most of the time, he chooses to allow us to discuss freely--if we, however, so much as annoy him by shouting in his kitchen, it's fully within reason for him to toss us from his house. Nobody but Eric is entitled to access to Eric's house. He chooses to allow us in, provided we play nice."

[thekiffer]

The policy is 2 weeks for bumping. I can't say that Blake got less but, I would have no idea why off the top of my head.

What good would it do for us to ban someone from the classifieds and then not delete the ad that is in violation of the rules? That would be a wasted effort. :rolleyes:

So, what about replacing the original ad. Apparently you have access to them.....:rolleyes:

[Camp]

So, what about replacing the original ad. Apparently you have access to them.....:rolleyes:

You are banned from the classifieds. What purpose would it serve to ban people from a section and then open their adds back up, allowing them to sell something. I am guessing you don't have much of a grasp of punishment for breaking rules?
:confused:

[thekiffer]

I kind of agree and disagree all at the same time. This is bigger than Eric at this point. If Eric quits people would take over in his place.

If Bill Gates quit Microsoft wouldn't cease to exist. It is amazing that Eric created such an amazing place but it is now larger than one person. Admittantly he is the hub because of software/hardware.

Where I agree with you is that the respect and courtesy should be there regardless. Free or not....





I read a really insightful thread about a year ago when much the same conversation was taking place...

Scott@Rockstomper had this to say about the board:

"This board is much less a discussion forum in a public place, than it is a forum in Eric's kitchen, with a webcam so the rest of the world can see. Most of the time, he chooses to allow us to discuss freely--if we, however, so much as annoy him by shouting in his kitchen, it's fully within reason for him to toss us from his house. Nobody but Eric is entitled to access to Eric's house. He chooses to allow us in, provided we play nice."

[thekiffer]

No apparently not.



You are banned from the classifieds. What purpose would it serve to ban people from a section and then open their adds back up, allowing them to sell something. I am guessing you don't have much of a grasp of punishment for breaking rules?
:confused:

[YJgirl]

Damnit!!! I burned dinner reading this thread!!!!!

:crybaby:

[thekiffer]

Sorry!!


Damnit!!! I burned dinner reading this thread!!!!!

:crybaby:

[Eric]

Depends are what you selling.... If someone is looking for a Dana 20, sure they may scroll through, if you are selling a set of Hella off-road lights, someone casually glancing at the top page may decide they would look great on their tow rig.


Speaking of those who only glance at the top page, I posted a tidbit some time ago explaining how to use the search feature to display ALL new for sale ads on one page. For the casual surfer, you may find this quite useful:

How to: Display all For Sale ads on a single page (http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showpost.php?p=128748&postcount=49)

As described, you can even pick and choose which categories to summarize. Enjoy :) :beer:

[Jefe]

I And people who have been a part of this forum for long amounts of time can be banned on a whim. :rolleyes:

Funny if you have been apart of the forum for so long, why not help support it(i.e. where's your star) or is $20 too much to spend when you are able to sell stuff for free....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:.

[thekiffer]

So, I have to have a star to put in my opinion on this site? Or to contribute?




Funny if you have been apart of the forum for so long, why not help support it(i.e. where's your star) or is $20 too much to spend when you are able to sell stuff for free....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:.

[Blue Dodge]

If you remember back when replies to FS ads were allowed, way too many of the replies were "BTT" or "TTT" by the poster to bump their ad to the top. There were also way too many replies saying "you're asking too much," "it's not worth that much," etc. I wasn't sure about the change to no replies being allowed, but after seeing it work well I feel it's a great improvement.

I guess I just find the more rules the less I care to participate in a forum.

Its handy to be able to ask the seller a public question so a) everyone can see the answer or b) if he is unavailable, someone else can answer.

To me thats the advantage of FS on a forum. Otherwise, it might as well just be in the Denver post.

[Scott@Rockstomper]

I kind of agree and disagree all at the same time. This is bigger than Eric at this point. If Eric quits people would take over in his place.

If Bill Gates quit Microsoft wouldn't cease to exist. It is amazing that Eric created such an amazing place but it is now larger than one person. Admittantly he is the hub because of software/hardware.

Uhh... no. If Bill Gates quits Microsoft, MS goes on, because MS is a publicly traded company with shareholders, a board of directors, etc.

Eric owns Colorado4x4. If he decides to turn it off, it's off. Period. There are no shareholders, there are no investors, there are no "bigger than" whatever. He owns the domain, he alone owns the rights the the database and software as it currently is (it isn't just off-the-shelf BBS software, he's tuned a lot of things) and if he decides to turn it off, nobody else can even access the files.

If you mean "people would find someplace else to go" when you said "people would take over", that's already happening when people find that they can't deal with how things are run here. For example, a number of people here, can't deal with how things are run on Pirate, so they seek out a place that they're comfortable. Personally, I spend more time on Pirate than I do anywhere else on the web. Everyone, and everywhere, is different. Chances are, there's a "right" place for nearly everybody.

From my sticky at the top of the ChitChat forum:

Everybody thinks their "special circumstances" mean that they can post whatever, wherever, whenever. We may have time to send a PM; we don't have time to dispute it back and forth.

In the (relatively short, compared to Eric or Camp) time I've been moderating here, I've bothered to send PM's on many occasions, have deleted a lot of threads, have temp-banned a few people, etc. Out of the countless PM's I've sent letting people know of a rule violation, one, and only one, has actually sent back a reply that looked like "oh, whoops, I'll fix it". Every single one aside from that one (and incidentally, that one, was a guy who registered solely to sell stuff--he had no posts outside of "for-sale") has sent back a PM arguing that the rules shouldn't apply to them in their particular case.

If you choose to interpret us deleting your for-sale item, refusing to debate why we deleted it, banning you from the classified section, banning you from the site, or pretty much anything else the staff here does, as rude, please feel free to interpret as you see fit. If you believe that an un-implimented suggestion is a personal affront, that's your call.

The classifieds section is what it is now, because of how it's run. Having seen it every which way, and knowing how much of a PITA it is to run this way, I still prefer it this way over any other way it's been, here or elsewhere. The rules are posted in it; I know of no threads deleted because of "spirit of the rule" violations--it's entirely by the letter.

[thekiffer]

Uhh... no. If Bill Gates quits Microsoft, MS goes on, because MS is a publicly traded company with shareholders, a board of directors, etc.

Eric owns Colorado4x4. If he decides to turn it off, it's off. Period. There are no shareholders, there are no investors, there are no "bigger than" whatever. He owns the domain, he alone owns the rights the the database and software as it currently is (it isn't just off-the-shelf BBS software, he's tuned a lot of things) and if he decides to turn it off, nobody else can even access the files.

If you mean "people would find someplace else to go" when you said "people would take over", that's already happening when people find that they can't deal with how things are run here. For example, a number of people here, can't deal with how things are run on Pirate, so they seek out a place that they're comfortable. Personally, I spend more time on Pirate than I do anywhere else on the web. Everyone, and everywhere, is different. Chances are, there's a "right" place for nearly everybody..

Yes this is what I mean and yes they can go some where else or create a new forum.


From my sticky at the top of the ChitChat forum:

In the (relatively short, compared to Eric or Camp) time I've been moderating here, I've bothered to send PM's on many occasions, have deleted a lot of threads, have temp-banned a few people, etc. Out of the countless PM's I've sent letting people know of a rule violation, one, and only one, has actually sent back a reply that looked like "oh, whoops, I'll fix it". Every single one aside from that one (and incidentally, that one, was a guy who registered solely to sell stuff--he had no posts outside of "for-sale") has sent back a PM arguing that the rules shouldn't apply to them in their particular case.

Then maybe there is something wrong with the process? Maybe there are circumstances. Why does it have to be us versus you??


If you choose to interpret us deleting your for-sale item, refusing to debate why we deleted it, banning you from the classified section, banning you from the site, or pretty much anything else the staff here does, as rude, please feel free to interpret as you see fit. If you believe that an un-implimented suggestion is a personal affront, that's your call.

What I am choosing to interpret as rude is comments or icons by Camp and no one else that are sarcastic instead of eplanitory. If you don't feel as if you have to justify your actions fine. Expect your product to suffer. Everyone is accountable to someone. I am accountable to you for my mistakes and you are accountable to us as customers for yours.


The classifieds section is what it is now, because of how it's run. Having seen it every which way, and knowing how much of a PITA it is to run this way, I still prefer it this way over any other way it's been, here or elsewhere. The rules are posted in it; I know of no threads deleted because of "spirit of the rule" violations--it's entirely by the letter.

Yes, I am aware of this now and will respond appropriately in the future. Again this is a suggestion box. If you don't want suggestions remove the box. I do understand that you don't have to take them. And that is what is happening here. I am voicing my opion.

I am surprised how deffensive the moderators are. I am also surprised at how there seems to be an idea that this board has reached perfection. Seriously, I am not saying this to be argumentative. I had no idea when I voiced these opinions that it would stir up so much emotion. Both on my side and on the your side.

The thread has continued because I feel the need to defend my position and all of you do too.

Thank you again Eric, Scott, Steve, for explaining your position in a professional manner.

[Big Dave]

I'm a little confused as to why this thread has gone on so long. The rules are simple, follow them, or mods take action. How hard can it be???

[Camp]

I'm a little confused as to why this thread has gone on so long. The rules are simple, follow them, or mods take action. How hard can it be???

Some just can't grasp that concept Dave. They feel the need to restate their opinion again and again until someone listens.

[thekiffer]

Agreed, NO EXCEPTIONS




I'm a little confused as to why this thread has gone on so long. The rules are simple, follow them, or mods take action. How hard can it be???

[thekiffer]

Some feel the need to disrespect other opinions. We used to call them Fascists.



Some just can't grasp that concept Dave. They feel the need to restate their opinion again and again until someone listens.

[Camp]

Some feel the need to disrespect other opinions. We used to call them Fascists.

Welcome to the reality that this is not a Democracy ;)

[Steve]

I am surprised how deffensive the moderators are.
Okay, I gotta jump back in here even though I swore I wouldn't. ;) I try hard not to be either offensive or defensive, but you have absolutely no idea of the stuff that people attempt to try and get around the rules in the Classified forum. Yes, there are honest mistakes; yes, there are some who either don't read or don't understand the rules; and yes, there are some who will go to great lengths to break the rules and then they get nasty when they're caught doing it.

Since we don't personally know most of the people here, we don't know which is which, so we try to enforce the rules the same on everybody, without exceptions. Do we make mistakes too? Sure we do.

I can back up what Scott said in an earlier post about responses to PMs. I send PMs to some, but not all, of the rules violations I find in the classifieds. I typically receive either no response at all (even though the person received the PM) or something tending towards belligerent asking why I can't make an exception for that person. Sorry, that ain't gonna happen, and yes, that does get old.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled argument... :cool:

:beer:

[thekiffer]

Okay, I gotta jump back in here even though I swore I wouldn't. ;) I try hard not to be either offensive or defensive, but you have absolutely no idea of the stuff that people attempt to try and get around the rules in the Classified forum. Yes, there are honest mistakes; yes, there are some who either don't read or don't understand the rules; and yes, there are some who will go to great lengths to break the rules and then they get nasty when they're caught doing it.

Since we don't personally know most of the people here, we don't know which is which, so we try to enforce the rules the same on everybody, without exceptions. Do we make mistakes too? Sure we do.

I can back up what Scott said in an earlier post about responses to PMs. I send PMs to some, but not all, of the rules violations I find in the classifieds. I typically receive either no response at all (even though the person received the PM) or something tending towards belligerent asking why I can't make an exception for that person. Sorry, that ain't gonna happen, and yes, that does get old.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled argument... :cool:

:beer:


Well spoken.

[Eric]

This has clearly run its course.
Suggestions are always welcome, but not always implemented.
Rules are in effect regarding your participation on this website.
Abide by the rules or you will be removed from this website.
No exceptions
If you are unhappy with the rules of participation, please find an alternate venue.

Closed.