Bragging rights, let's see some numbers

[Eric]

After reading the thread about tuners I thought it'd be interesting/fun to share some real-world numbers. If you've had your rig on the dyno then post up the chart and share your mods!

I'll start:
2002 Dodge 2500, HO Cummins, 6 spd
Mods = K&N filter, Diesel Dynamics TTPM
Results = 300/750

[Steve]

Don't know if there's a dyno over here or not, have to look. It would be interesting to compare your numbers to mine. :D

[74BuckinBronc]

My best to date is: 334/727
My truck:
2002 F-350 PSD 7.3L 6spd
Tymar Intake, 4" SS aeroturbine exhaust, Wicked Wheel, Custom Tuner, Gauges & on-demand black smoke :) .

Update 1.11.05: I figured a way to post my chart. Dyno (http://ucora.org/v-web/bulletin/bb/album_pic.php?pic_id=38)

My black smoke is to sink my right foot! Black smoke is actually a lack of air, but it's still cool!

[Camp]

We really need to get mine on the dyno when I get home. I'm thinking with and without the Juice :evil:

[Eric]

We really need to get mine on the dyno when I get home. I'm thinking with and without the Juice :evil:
Better yet, with and without the EZ, and THEN with and without the Juice.

Steve, bring it awn!! :D

Bronc, nice numbers :thumbsup: No chart?

[Lil_Mule]

I'm not sure about my numbers but I'm running:


1999 F250 PSD 7.3L
Intercooler
Diablo chip
K&N filtercharger
dynomax exhaust

she's big and quick

I'd like to know more about that black smoke on demand thing though... I know dmeis has it and I think it's pretty funny.

[BigChev]

http://www.dynopro.com/mhhr_diesel-trucks.asp

Diesel trucks that have been dyno'ed, rear-wheel torque. Check out some of those numbers! Trucks tested right here in Colorado!

[Cresso]

http://www.dynopro.com/mhhr_diesel-trucks.asp

Diesel trucks that have been dyno'ed, rear-wheel torque. Check out some of those numbers! Trucks tested right here in Colorado!

#9 on the list of top diesel trucks is a Dodge SRT-4? How the hell did he fit a diesel in there? :silly:

[Mack]

HILARIOUS that the top trucks are all Dodge CTD's. I would insert some slam here but i think the website does it for me :D ;)

I'm putting out ~710lbft/350hp. Suprizing me you're getting those numbers Eric- i don't doubt you but i'm actually wondering if mine should be dynoing higher!!!

'99 CTD, EZ Edge, Full gamut of Gauges, 4" free flow stainless exhause from the DP back, no muffler (resonators, boo yeah!), K&N FIPK. Soon to have a mildly upgraded turbo i hope as well as 300hp injectors. Only thing left after that is a second overfuel box and Propane :D

[Cresso]

HILARIOUS that the top trucks are all Dodge CTD's. I would insert some slam here but i think the website does it for me :-D ;-)


maybe on here that happens to be true, but the numbers I've seen elsewhere for dmaxes are unbelievable. They're putting out sick torque and hp with very little work and they can back 'em up with phenomenal ETs and great towing performance. If I didn't dislike the truck so much, I'd highly consider one.

As it is, the only way you'd get me out of my PSD is with a newer PSD. :D

[BigChev]

maybe on here that happens to be true, but the numbers I've seen elsewhere for dmaxes are unbelievable. They're putting out sick torque and hp with very little work and they can back 'em up with phenomenal ETs and great towing performance. If I didn't dislike the truck so much, I'd highly consider one.

As it is, the only way you'd get me out of my PSD is with a newer PSD. :D
I have also seen some PSD with outrageous hp/torque figures as well. It just seems that these are the only diesels that have been tested there. Hence the SRT-4 on there. I think I may go have my truck tested just to knock it off the list!!

[BG]

...I'm putting out ~710lbft/350hp. Suprizing me you're getting those numbers Eric- i don't doubt you but i'm actually wondering if mine should be dynoing higher!!!

'99 CTD, EZ Edge, Full gamut of Gauges, 4" free flow stainless exhause from the DP back, no muffler (resonators, boo yeah!), K&N FIPK. Soon to have a mildly upgraded turbo i hope as well as 300hp injectors. Only thing left after that is a second overfuel box and Propane :-D

Why do Eric's numbers surprise you? If anything, I'd be asking you for a slip that proves what you claim. EZ Edge, nice but no 350hp. Gauges and lack of noise control aren't worth 100hp.

By the way, my addition to this list is that I don't have official numbers yet. I have a dyno source just up the street I should take advantage of.

Specs: '02 Dmax, Edge Juice w/ Attitude, Green intake, MBRP 4" exhaust. Edge would claim 400+hp, my guess would be around 325-350 (at wheels) or so.

[74BuckinBronc]

I have seen some Dmaxes put down some impressive numbers too. In fact a dmax won the top HP & Torque at a Dyno Day where my numbers came from. He ran a 779/1200 I know we have a member in our PSD club who's putting 520HP down.

Dodges can lay down some great numbers too, but they are easier to find the power IMO. And I think Dodge is the most reliable diesel in the light truck market these days.

[Mack]

This board is just full of friendly/not-so friendly debauchery towards PSD's/DMax's/CTD's. We just need to have a pull off, plain and simple. Best of 3 pulls up Vail Pass towing, say, 8k.

BG-
I'd say you're higher then you think you are. I don't know how well the Dmax can be modded up compared to the CTD, but i do know the CTD swallows up mods like a champ. Exhaust alone on some of these are good for up to 75-100lbft, as the stock exhaust is extremely restrictive. At the end of the day, i couldn't really give 2 shits about Horsepower ratings. Torque is what impresses me, HP's just a easy math problem afterwards.

[BG]

Mack-
Sorry about the Jab. The fact that you know hp is a calculation tells me I was wrong about you. I am sorry. You've probably seen the guys on diesel forums that add up all the "aftermarket hp improvements" they have bought and think that is their increase(i.e.- exhaust +100ft/lbs, intake +50ft/lbs, module +250ft/lbs, stacked programmer +250ft/lbs - Translates to, "Dude, my Stroke has like 1200ft/lbs".)
Anyway I appologize.

I second your suggestion for a pull-off or dyno comp day though. That could be like a specialized MnG. We have a shop down here in the Springs called Exhaust Readers. I believe they have at least 2 dyno's that can hold a truck. We could see if a bunch of us could rent the shop out for a day.

[Camp]

I can't wait. I am in the process of getting my new Edge Juice with Attitude ordered. Keith at Diesel Dynamics recently dyno'd a bone stock Cummins 600 with it. They put down 410hp/786tq. I don't know how the truck was outfitted stock but, it was a 6-speed, just like mine :bounce:


Maybe now I will be able to keep Scott from blowing by me in his bone stock '03 Dmax on Vail Pass :mad:

[Steve]

We just need to have a pull off, plain and simple. Best of 3 pulls up Vail Pass towing, say, 8k.
I haven't had my CTD on a dyno yet, but last time I pulled the trailer with an XJ on it up Vail Pass (westbound) I pulled it at 80 mph in OD with the cruise control on. :D

[Mack]

BG-
No sweat man, at least you're willing to say "hey, i stepped out of line". More then can be said by a lot of people on a lot of boards :rolleyes. I DO know those people you're talking about, and all i can do is shake my head and tell them they're idiots.
As for your truck- throw it on a dyno. Like I said, i'd be willing to bet you're pushing more power then you think you are, from what i've heard the new dmaxes can be turned up fairly easy as well. And if i've said it once, i'll say it again- Torque impresses me (so post those numbers first!). I don't care if you're pushing 500hp in a rock crawling buggy if at redline and you're only getting 150lbft. And i'm definately in for a Dyno day- gotta finish doing all my mods first though!!! My turbo's going out, so i think when i replace it an upgrade is in order. Minus well get new injectors while i'm at it. Come to think of it a fuel delivery upgrade couldn't hurt, as well as a overfuel box..... /pipedreams/ :-D

Camp-
That Edge Juice is a SWEET box. My buddy has one on his PSD and it is a HEAVY improvement over stock, you really do notice it. I will say these two things though- a.) i was still able to out tow him with my CTD, and b.) While he drives a PSD (7.3L), his dad has a Kodiak with a Duramax in it, his work truck (Tow Truck driver, 25' flat bed) has a ISB Cummins in it. Over a recent conversation i was having with him and another friend with a CTD i mentioned how in CO (he lives in CA) everyone has truck like mine (ours) whereas they're fairly rare in CA. Because of the larger number of trucks, the PSD/CTD/Dmax arguement is much more "heated". The friend with the PSD turns to me and says- "Cummins vs. Powerstroke arguement? There IS no arguement- the CTD". I just about died laughing. Anyway the point to that story was- Camp, get the chip and do a full free exhaust on it, you'll see numbers you probally didn't expect.

Steve-
Vail pass/Eisenhower & all the rest are a funny joke. The more i think about it, the best of 3 pulls up Vail pass towing 20k would much more be in order. If you want to talk about perf- ask the guy on the board who was following me up a pass in utah at 110mph while towing 7k. :-) Stupid, yes. Idiotic, yes. (Hats off to all of those who recognize the FG refrence).

Side note-
What mileage do all of you have on your trucks?

[Steve]

Steve-
Vail pass/Eisenhower & all the rest are a funny joke. The more i think about it, the best of 3 pulls up Vail pass towing 20k would much more be in order. If you want to talk about perf- ask the guy on the board who was following me up a pass in utah at 110mph while towing 7k. :-) Stupid, yes. Idiotic, yes. (Hats off to all of those who recognize the FG refrence).
Very true. I know I can tow my trailer with the EB on it more than fast enought to get in serious trouble if I get stupid. All that torque helps pull hills great, but it doesn't do much to make it around curves or stop it in an emergency situation. :silly:

Side note-
What mileage do all of you have on your trucks?
130k on my 2000 Dodge CTD.

[dmeis]

My truck is an early 99 F250. It has a smaller turbo, injectors and oil pump than the later 7.3 PSDs. It does have forged rods though. :flipoff2: (95K, DI Fuel system, H/X mod, Trex fuel pump, Banks 4 inch exhasut, AFE intake, switched 10K, BTS Chip, BTS Auto)

My first dyno sheet shows 245hp/505tq. Adding a superchip and modifed 10k gave me 272hp/589tq. I've since went to a 4 pos chip and a couple sets of programs. One program should have been labeled smoke screen as LilMule pointed out. hehe

I just got back from BTS in Arkansas. My truck sure ran good with the extra air down there. They reflashed my chip. It probably puts out ~300hp/600tq now. I'm in desperate need for a larger turbo, updated HPOP (the SES light keeps coming on) and improved programmiing. I should be able to hang with Eric then...

BTW, the Edge Easy for the PSD is not the same as the kind for the CTD.

[Cresso]

Eh, we're all so modified, all this shows is who is willing to spend more money on their tow rig. No harm in having bragging rights for that honor, but I wouldn't equate it to CTD or PSD or Dmax superiority.

If ya wanna have a brand war, we'd need 3 similarly-equipped bone stock trucks.

[MonsterZ]

If ya wanna have a brand war, we'd need 3 similarly-equipped bone stock trucks.

Even then, there's still some variables left to chance. For instance, my old DMax rated at 300 HP and 525 ft-lbs could not pull my approx. 13K trailer up Eisenhauer Pass as fast as my 325 HP 600 ft-lbs Cummins does. However, the DMax could pull the same trailer up Crow Hill (on 285 just east of Bailey) faster than the Cummins does. Only difference is the grade of the hill and the gearing (axles and tranny) in the trucks. With a heavier load, the Cummins would probably be faster than the DMax up Crow Hill. With a light load (like 1 Jeep), either truck would pull passes as fast as traffic and curves would allow.

As far as the big 3 go right now, depending on the exact load and grade, I think any one of them could be the fastest truck for that particular test.

[Ryan Spencer]

I am a dealer for edge and superchip products so if you all want something, let me know. i did the edge drag comp 5 stage on my buddys two wheel drive 1998 cummins. he also did the afe stage 2 intake, 4" straight pipe, 400 horse injectors, and an hx-40( i think thats what they call it)upgrade turbo. 480 hp and 920 ftlbs. he smoked his automatic within 3 months. he sold his upgraded turbo to back it down and put a new stock one on as well as injectors. he relized it was more than he needed. he sold them for what he had in them. he is at like 350 horse and 740 ftlbs now. plenty if you ask me

[KINSPINZ]

here are my #'s
2004 F-350 6.0L Powerstroke 6-speed
HP 332.6
torque 863.2

I did this dyno run about a year ago at the time I had a 3 stage edge, Ats propane, Afe intake, 4" turbo back exhaust. We could not keep the truck from burning out across the dyno wheels the guy who did the test said these #'s were low and to put some weigt in the back and come back but i have not had time. But I plan to do another run soon I have added the attitude monitor to my chip and that gave me two more power levels.

[Smokin Deezul]

well i dunno I know u want cold hard proof like a dyno sheet and i have those but none scanned. these are rear wheel numbers 468HP and 780TQ on straight diesel last year at the colorado powerstroke clubs first birthday 11-10-03 to be exact not bad for a DURAMAX at a powerstroke meet. most recent numbers to date 536HP 991TQ running quadzilla stealth tuner 70hp 90hp 135hp and 200hp with those programs in the tuner. stacking a Van Aaken Smart Box E 110HP and 220+HP box, Bassani 4in exhaust and afe stage 2 intake, and a stock transmission that isnt long for this world but thats only for dynoing everyday power running the programmer on 135HP setting yeilds about 380HP to the wheels truck dyno's stock at 246HP to the rear tires these are very realistic numbers stacking a tuner on top of a box with these duramax's. One Member of dieselplace.com super diesel from here in colorado is 780HP at the tires and 1300 on torque in a dualie but throw some Nitrous and a meth water injection and watch the HP go through the roof. Propane is fun and cheap but can have some problems like liquid propane being sucked in like water being sucked into an engine especially one with 17.1+ compression has a tendency to shrink a rod or break it.

On Edit: Reading what Mack aka Tenmile said and my thoughts on it. I know torque is impressive but if you have Horsepower in a diesel Torque is gonna be there no matter what. You almost can bet... take your Horsepower numbers and double it is what your torque is gonna be now the cummins with always out torque the V-8 trucks due to the long rod and the fact the V-8 diesels turn alot more RPM and th rods arent as long or as heavy. Of course this summer here in Fort Collins at the PFI Dyno days there was a 12 Valve cummins turning almost 5000RPM on the rollers knocked out 580RWHP torque was 1200 plus since the dyno was maxed at 1200HP and 1200FTLB and ATS Diesel in Denver on February 12th is having a "PUT UP OR SHUT UP" dyno meet at their place in WheatRidge check their website for more details.

Greg

[Metalhed]

in the Kenworth tandem I used to drive 501 hp at 1800 rpm in 10th gear this is in a truck that weighed 11 tons empty

[Xtremjeepn-Cole Ford]

Just thought I would share this for fun. :D

These are the dyno numbers from a friends Audi Station Wagon!

462HP 479TQ(at the wheels) :eek: :eek:

I want to see some better numbers from your trucks :)

[rockhound]

any modern diesel is capable of puting out awsome numbers, who is biggest and baddest i don't know

i do know that i got passed on floyd hill by a 350 psd pulling a 24 ft enclosed trailer that was obviously loaded,, maybe like 8k pound with the load

that dude was making an easy 105 mph i was doing maybe 90-95 mph and he went by me like i was standing still

btw i couldn't catch him as my 250 governs out at 97 mph

[dmeis]

Here are my latest numbers: I had tuned the tranny shifts points for performance so they had to start the run at a higher RPM. Next time I will make a "Dyno" program so 3 and 4th gear never down shift. :flipoff2:

http://www.colorado4x4.org/gallery/files/6/8/GAM_PSD1.jpg

[Cresso]

Am I reading that right? Just under 750 ft-lbs and right around 350hp? Wow, those are awesome numbers!! Tell 'em to swap which sides the hp/torque are on next time so they're closer to the peaks.

[CSP]

Which line is HP and which is torque Dave? I'm guessing Doug is reading it right.

Are the three runs with your programmer in different positions?

[dmeis]

Doug has it right.

First and second were in the 140 position. The third run in red was the 120 setting. It's interesting to see the consistent 140 runs and then the diff with the 120. The early part of the curves are questionable to some degree as they were started at different coast power levels. This is where taking out the downshifts would allow an equal plane for the starts. Part of the diff has to do with the speed and converter flash when each run was started.

It seems that 350 is about the max that one gets with stock injectors...

[Scott@Rockstomper]

Guessing nobody up there swiped somebody else's chart for what a stock stickshift Dmax could do?
I'm curious about what mine will do, but had too much else going on yesterday to go play on the dyno.

And I'm with whoever it was way back in January... dyno charts are cool and all, but actually pulling the passes is a better (although probably illegal, particularly with the HP numbers I'm seeing) test.

[Cresso]

Let's rope off one lane of a steep highway some day. I'm thinking 285 on the way to Slaughterhouse. Have one ~10,000lb trailer for everyone, start at the bottom at, say, 20mph rolling start and go for about a mile. Yeehaw!

yea yea, it'll never fly. oh well.

[Scott39]

I bring my buddys semi, with a 625 twin turbo cat engine.

[4WDXPRT]

Just tested last Saturday...

362 horse and 720 torque w/Edge EZ on Level 4

Still running Stock Airbox and 3" Exhaust...would like to test with a cold air intake i.e. Airaid and 4" exhaust later this year.

[Rockcrawler3]

Thought you might like to check this out some interesting website for Diesel.

http://www.coloradopowerstrokeclub.com/html/index.php

http://www.turbodieselregister.com/

http://www.gamracingengines.com/diesels.htm

Since the gas price is high. I have heard diesel are impress with MPG than big block gas engine like my 04 Suburban 2500 8.1 liter 4.10 gears run 8 MPG with tow, 12 mpg without. I would love to own Duramax dually someday.
Hey everyone, What your MPG?

[CSP]

Hey everyone, What your MPG?

There's a thread about that, somewhat.

http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=32630

[Seadaddy]

Did you guys read the first issue of Diesel POwer? Duramax was at the bottom of the barrel in everything including 1/4 mile runs empty and towing. Dodge won the 1/4 empty but lost by a few tenths to the PSD in the towing. Duramax wasa few seconds behind the Cumings. I am looking for my mag so I can post the actual numbers....

[Mack]

OR......

You can see why Cummins > *.*. PSD/DMax owners, eat it.

Link (http://video.ls1tech.com/Player.aspx?fileid=A9797340-CBE8-4D39-BF69-658C08AD329F)

[Trango]

You guys suck. I used to think that 550 or whatever was alot of torque.

Guess it's time to start making the mounts for the turbo. If I can raise and lengthen the torque curve, I will be as happy as a little giiiirl.

[Rockcrawler3]

OR......

You can see why Cummins > *.*. PSD/DMax owners, eat it.

Link (http://video.ls1tech.com/Player.aspx?fileid=A9797340-CBE8-4D39-BF69-658C08AD329F)

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[Mack]

Meh, works for me.

[74BuckinBronc]

Cool video, but we're not comparing apples to apples there. Those are both heavily modified trucks. I love the stacks!!

J.D.

[Rockcrawler3]

video worked. i think the site was down for a moment. that's pretty damn fast.

[CLYDE]

who wants to have a pulling contest,,, I win.... hehehe



















mines on the right....

[pdrhound]

here is where all you dodge people lose. the numbers that count

01 f450 stock. GCWR 26,000lbs..............

What does your sticker say?

[Eric]

here is where all you dodge people lose. the numbers that count

01 f450 stock. GCWR 26,000lbs..............

What does your sticker say?

Only because Dodge doesn't make a 4500 in the US (I wish I knew why). You do realize though that the F650 and F750 have both the Powerstroke AND Cummins available as motors? When I looked at the sticker for my Dodge I saw exactly what I was looking for... "Cummins". Had the F250's I was looking at offered a Cummins who knows, I may have been a Ford owner instead. I wouldn't say that GCWR is the number that counts... doesn't matter to me how much you can haul if you're in the right lane with your flashers on crawling up the passes :flipoff2: Get the right tool for the job, in my case a 3/4 ton fit the bill perfectly.

But this thread isn't about brand wars, I really don't care if it's a Ford, Chevy, Dodge, whatever. I just wanna see some dyno numbers :evil: That said, all who posted to this without a supporting dyno sheet haven't really posted to this :flipoff2:

Btw, I hope to be visiting a dyno again soon to measure up my new injectors :bounce3: :evil:

[pdrhound]

wasn't about brand wars. you wanted to show off numbers i used the ones that count. Also if you ordered an f-650 or 750 you would probably chose the CAT option over the cummins and PSD. But they are not in the same league price wise, and not available in 4x4.

[Jason Starnes]

wasn't about brand wars. you wanted to show off numbers i used the ones that count. Also if you ordered an f-650 or 750 you would probably chose the CAT option over the cummins and PSD. But they are not in the same league price wise, and not available in 4x4.


you wouldnt choose the Cat if you had driven one

FWIW a friend of mine has a 01 F650 wit a kitty under the hood, its not impressive not at all

it does have a High GCWR (higher than my dodge) but it still crawls up steep inclines

also FWIW if I could choose an engine for a F650-750 it would me a P pump equiped C8.3

[CLYDE]

No kitty cats for me,, That monster I drive is pure N-14 powered,, our Cat powered wreckers dont hold a candle to the N-14s, or the ISX in our biggest truck,,,

[CSP]

You do realize though that the F650 and F750 have both the Powerstroke AND Cummins available as motors?

Of course that Cummins is the C-Series, not the B like in the Dodge. It's still a Cummins though.

Cat was great until the 3126 became overly computer controlled. You could really turn up the juice on the old 3106.

[Eric]

Of course that Cummins is the C-Series, not the B like in the Dodge. It's still a Cummins though.

Negative, the F650 and F750 offer the same 5.9L ISB Cummins as in the Dodge.

[CSP]

Hmm, that's interesting. The '99 F650 that my neighbor owns has the C8.3-300. It's a helluva lot bigger than the ISB. Wonder when they made the switch?

[thiswebs4u]

O.K. I know these are stock trucks and this is a couple years olds, but I will keep my PSD :) .
Diesel Shootout (http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/stories/2003shootout/page1.html)

[thefatkid]

Sheesh I though this was just for numbers,

No real dyno run yet, just what the emmisions machine says

285hp to the rear wheels

01 Dodge 2500

I like it cause I can pull any load and not have to watch the gauges. the temp maxes at 1300 pe turbo

I think I have a injector going south stumble at idle and makes an ocasional clunk instead of clack.

time to upgrade

edit: machine didn't give torque#

[1967k10]

Here some #'s off a D-Max that belongs to a guy I know. 756 hp/1390 torque :D Mine is headed there as soon as I get a clutch that will hold that much power.

[Rubi]

1390 tq ? come on only a cummins is capable of that number he might have made that # once but the pop can heads will not hold that kind of power for any amount of time im a ford man but i drive a dodge I have a dyno in castle rock but everyone always bitches that there truck should have 600 hp and 1200 lb ft but without Serious internal engine mods these numbers are not impossible but hard to get

[1967k10]

Those #'s came off the dyno at Bandimere I believe.What are you going to do to the inside of a D-Max anyway? They don't need anything except maybe headstuds. I rode in the truck the other night and it's very real.It is running N20 and propane if that makes a difference to you CTD boys :rolleyes: .11.9 sec quarter @ 118mph.It's an 02' CC SB 4x4 on 33"s.

[Trango]

Hmm, that's interesting. The '99 F650 that my neighbor owns has the C8.3-300. It's a helluva lot bigger than the ISB. Wonder when they made the switch?

Man there was an 8.3 floating around a while ago while I was deep into my Cat swap and I was SO so so so so tempted, but too far already with the Cat motor. Those mills are So SWEEEEEEEEEEEET.

[Cresso]

hp = 327.78
tq = 685.48

I'll upload the graph later. It's not where I want it to be, but not a bad start. I'll try it again in a couple weeks. :D

[Scott@Rockstomper]

296 hp
494 ft-lb

Box-stock stickshift Duramax 2WD.

[dmeis]

hp = 364
tq = 731

[Eric]

hp = 410
tq = 856

Needs a new clutch to run at that power level though :rolleyes:

[Camp]

hp = 495
tq = 1006

Don't think my clutch will take much more of that but, luckily my truck will be moth balled for the next 3 months :D

[Geesh]

hey bastages! Long time no see!
lets see . . . 2000 CTD; I need to get on a dyno since I've done the Edge EZ, FIPK, elbow, turbo-back, etc. (stage 1 mods). but here's some numbers:

8' width
9' length

Oh, that's the bed size without wheel wells to hinder use. I believe they call such things trucks these days. . . What are you Wilmas driving? :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Just messin with ya

[Eric]

I believe they call such things trucks these days. . . What are you Wilmas driving? :flipoff2: :flipoff2:


I'm drivin' the Z, diesel costs too much up here :mad: It's over $3.20 per gallon here, what is it in ABQ?

[Geesh]

$3.08 last night, it was $3.97 last frickin week. Glad I had enough fumes to make it through. I am getting more than 20mpg on the highway since the mods

[74BuckinBronc]

I heard $2.50 for unleaded real soon, but we'll see. I am outta touch with diesel prices since I've been driving my commuter car. I hope they go down before I go to baja!

J.D.

[MARK DANIELS]

Dyno days are a joke, a days notice and you can build one to win, with little effort, put them to work and see who comes out on top of loveland first. I have a friend that work with keith at Diesel Dynamics had a 01 or 02 with Diesel dynamics inj and the Edge Box, and a guy came into town with a hot or he thought it was, duramax put $500 down out west of vegas and got a bad spankin, he even had injectors and box too still no contest. You can add lots of Hp to a cummins for a fraction of the cost that it would take for a dmax or ps plus have a longer lasting engine. I seen last week in auto week that Ford is having problems beyond control, sued 58 times loging 12,000 customer complaints 77+ tech bulletins and over $500 million in warrenty claims the first 9 months of 05. This is on just the 03 and 04's wait till the 05 powerstrokes start coming back, ford even admitted to this that these are not just minor fixes and its affecting their bottom line. GM had 8 service bulletins and Dodge with Cummins 0. Keith won their dyno day and they did not even dyno the ace in the hole that they had in the back of the shop. Lawrence had a
Dodge that had I beleive 800 hp and the torque was off the map, so its possible to deliver a spankin. 3 ways to build a truck, race, dyno and pulling.
I have a 97 dodge with a cummins, I did back out some of the power, but last time checked 475 hp 900+ torque 2spd splitter over drive, 4 " exhaust, Pac brakes exhaust brake, mag tec diff cover, AFE cold air box, 4:10 Jammer series turbo, or HX 40 Diesel dynamic stage 3 injectors, Pump bilt by Cary, 18 to 20 mi per gal pulling 15 to 16, 200,000 mi. Bitchin sound system, by the way never take a tranny to US transmission in Denver, off of broadway hack jobs gallore. Much more power is wasted .

[MARK DANIELS]

here is where all you dodge people lose. the numbers that count

01 f450 stock. GCWR 26,000lbs..............

What does your sticker say?


compare apples to apples, if I'm towing that much this is where ford looses, just go buy a dam Kenworth or used Pete thats 3 years old for $26,000 that has a cummins in it, to your 550 for $55,000 hmmm don't need to think about that very long. even if its gvw's that high it still has a power chicken in it.

[Cresso]

blah blah blah...

http://www.austech.info/images/smilies/new/sleep2.gif :blah:

97 dodge with a cummins, 475 hp 900+ torque

Bam! That's all we needed. Thank you! :flipoff2:

[FlippedOut]

Diesel=Detachable Penis

Lets all get back on track and off crack. What matters is what you do when your done towing, Not how fast you get there.

[Camp]

Diesel=Detachable Penis

Lets all get back on track and off crack. What matters is what you do when your done towing, Not how fast you get there.

What, are your buddies picking on you that you pull to slow? :flipoff2:

Well, when you pull 1000 miles or more at a shot, with 16,000 lbs of trailer, speed counts because I don't have all week to get there. I have a real job to work when I'm not headed to or from a competition so, we like to travel with time and safety in mind. I guess I'll keep my detachable penis, as you call it, and enjoy the fuel economy and power I've got.

:beer:

[FlippedOut]

If you have a job to do more power is better , but if you dont tow massive weight than this is just flexin competition.
ps
I tow with a F-250HD gasser , solid 60's front and rear,7.5L 460, 350 hp/550 lb/ft w/chip and exhaust. Only because I am not caught up in hype. I am not saying diesel isn't better for towing. Just trying to say I am not trying to win the tow comp, but we'll see on the trail. My buggy has more horse and torque than most of the diesel numbers listed throughout this thread.

ps, when me and my diesel buddies are towing, and we stop to eat. They wont let me eat at the same table,and let me tell you it breaks my heart!!!!ha ha ahaha

[Cresso]

If you have a job to do more power is better , but if you dont tow massive weight than this is just flexin competition.

This entire forum caters to people who try to get more out of their vehicles. Is it really surprising that we'd want to do it with our tow rigs, too?

I tow with a F-250HD gasser , solid 60's front and rear,7.5L 460, 350 hp/550 lb/ft w/chip and exhaust. Only because I am not caught up in hype. I am not saying diesel isn't better for towing. Just trying to say I am not trying to win the tow comp, but we'll see on the trail. My buggy has more horse and torque than most of the diesel numbers listed throughout this thread.

Wait, yer not caught up in the hype, but you've put a chip and exhaust on your gasser (which is about the same as what most folks in this thread have done to their diesels)? The diesels just happen to get insane power for very little effort, so it's fun to see what everyone is getting.


ps, when me and my diesel buddies are towing, and we stop to eat. They wont let me eat at the same table,and let me tell you it breaks my heart!!!!ha ha ahaha

Sounds to me like you're displacing hurt feelings. You don't hate diesels, you just need new friends. :flipoff2:

[FSAD]

My best to date is: 334/727
My truck:
2002 F-350 PSD 7.3L 6spd
Tymar Intake, 4" SS aeroturbine exhaust, Wicked Wheel, Custom Tuner, Gauges & on-demand black smoke :) .

Update 1.11.05: I figured a way to post my chart. Dyno (http://ucora.org/v-web/bulletin/bb/album_pic.php?pic_id=38)

My black smoke is to sink my right foot! Black smoke is actually a lack of air, but it's still cool!

all ive read says, black smoke is just unused fuel your pouring out the tailpipe. not to mention it pisses everyone around you off..

not trying to be snotty, just would like to see the power gains and keep the smoke to a minimum

mikey

[74BuckinBronc]

Mikey, you are right. Black smoke is cause from too much fuel and not enough air. In this altitude, it's not easy to keep smoke to a minimum. I have never seen a diesel truck with lots of power burn clean. It's just the tradeoff you get for more power. If you don't want the smoke, you'll have to run an economy tune.

J.D.

[1967k10]

If you don't like smoke stay away from me :D .My D-Max really rolls the coal :D .Great for ricers. Anyway I will have some #'s this weekend from the Greeley dyno. I'm shooting for at least 425rwhp+/900rwfp+.

[FSAD]

If you don't like smoke stay away from me :D .My D-Max really rolls the coal :D .Great for ricers. Anyway I will have some #'s this weekend from the Greeley dyno. I'm shooting for at least 425rwhp+/900rwfp+.

425 rear wheel DOES sound tempting....:cool:

[beanman]

I finally put my truck on the dyno. I don't have a scanner to post my sheet but it put down 516.1 hp and 1117 ft lbs torque. truck and mods are 05 dodge 2500 cummins, edge hot juice, afe intake, 5" exhaust turbo back to dual 4".

[Jeepin4fun]

337hp and 737tq

02 CTD, AFE intake, 4" exhuast, Edge Comp Box.

[1967k10]

Well I made a little more than expected :D . 476rwhp and 1013rwfp :D

[1badxj]

563hp/1141tq.

Sorry, no way to scan my dyno sheet. Posted those #'s on a Dyno Jet at Brian's Truck Shop in Lead Hill, AR. You Powerstroke guys should know who that is.


Short list of mods:

Edge Juice stacked with Bully Dog Powerpup
Phat Shaft 62/14 Turbo
75hp high flow injectors
A/T tranny built to take it
All on #2 DIESEL ALONE!!!

[74BuckinBronc]

That's some impressive numbers you got there. Yeah, we know Brian! Anyway you could always snap a picture of your dyno sheet and post that. Just a thought if you wanted to post.

J.D.

[1badxj]

I hadn't thought of that. Now if only I wasn't at work on the MS River for the next 2weeks away from home i could do that. Why, you don't belive me?:lmao: I do have to admit, the #'s are my individual best on seperate runs. Highest hp run was 563hp/1072tq. best tq. was 544hp/1141tq. I've even run a low 1/4mi. et. of 12.97@106.7mph with stock tires at Memphis Motorsports Park. So yeh it's got the power. You should meet up with me when I'm in Ouray/Silverton on vaca and I could give you a ride:hail: Just make sure if you see this this rolling around town when I'm there, and want to test it, you better be packing cause I'll have it in "Super Stealth Mode.":smokin:


http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/pics/data/500/36399Truck_007.jpg

[raythehandyman]

Is there a Dyno in Longmont or close by ?
Any Idea what a Dyno cost ?

[BRONCOBOZ]

Hey If Ya Want To Know Where A Dyno Is In Grand Junction Shining Knight Machine Has One

[Renegade_Jeeper]

This board is just full of friendly/not-so friendly debauchery towards PSD's/DMax's/CTD's. We just need to have a pull off, plain and simple. Best of 3 pulls up Vail Pass towing.


hell make it monarch pass my company work truck is a pig up that pass, but hell its only a v10 ford

[flexychevy]

2000 W9 Kenworth
550HP and 1836FT lb of torque
:D

[The Man With The Plan]

No dyno chart yet, but my '06 CTD pulled 14.05 et @ 95 mph last night at Bandimere.

BullyDog TripleDog (Crazy Larry)
aFe Stage I w/ torque tube
Banks High-Ram intake
MBRP 5" turbo-back exhaust
BD Performance tranny w/ billet shafts, torque converter, flex plate

[74BuckinBronc]

That's very respectable.

[The Man With The Plan]

I'm pretty pleased. It ran 14.5 @ 94 on the stock tranny.

[Chris Halvorson]

Very impressive #'s...makes me want to see what I could put down. The tranny upgrades are a must for me first.

[dmeis]

I ran a 15.3 at Bandimere last month. 99 PSD with stock injectors. :beer:

[4x4not]

I'd love to dyno mine but I'm going to need to install the new ConFE first. freaking clutch is starting to slip in normal traffic now!

With my setup I'm hoping I can put down about 450hp / 900 torque, but I know the stock turbo is going to limit me. It don't like 40psi!

[Cresso]

New numbers from the GAM dyno day 12/15/07:

476hp / 1090 ft-lbs

Who says you can't wake up a 7.3? :cool:

[dmeis]

:hail:

[Eric]

New numbers from the GAM dyno day 12/15/07:

476hp / 1090 ft-lbs

Who says you can't wake up a 7.3? :cool:
No chart, no points :flipoff2:

[Cresso]

No chart, no points :flipoff2:

:P


And yea, I'm using the corrected numbers.

[Rockmonky]

Dam Doug!!!
Those are some sweet #'s!!!!!

Im still thinking about fixing up the old Dodge with twins but body is so far gone I might just get a second gen and start with that.

TIM

[74BuckinBronc]

Great #'s! HOw'd the Dyno day go? Lot of folks show up to support Laser Bob?

J.D.

[Cresso]

Dam Doug!!!
Those are some sweet #'s!!!!!

Im still thinking about fixing up the old Dodge with twins but body is so far gone I might just get a second gen and start with that.

TIM

If the engine is still good, pull it and stick it in something else. Like that '50s Ford with the flatbed and Cummins under the hood that folks were posting on PBB a couple years back.


Great #'s! HOw'd the Dyno day go? Lot of folks show up to support Laser Bob?

J.D.

Oh yea, the place was packed. I didn't stay long, since I didn't really know anyone there. All the organizers did a killer job, though. Very smooth, top-notch operation. There were quite a few people surprised by how high their numbers were. I wonder if maybe the correction factor was a bit too high.

[Rockmonky]

If the engine is still good, pull it and stick it in something else. Like that '50s Ford with the flatbed and Cummins under the hood that folks were posting on PBB a couple years back.


I was thinking a early 50's COE would be pretty bitchin.

[1967k10]

Great #'s! HOw'd the Dyno day go? Lot of folks show up to support Laser Bob?

J.D.


IMHO the dyno was a bit off but what do I know. I only made 420/956 this year after adding a hotter program,boost valve and an intake. Last time I made 476/1013 with nothing but a VA box. Numerous other guys were lower than previous dyno's after adding more mods :confused: . Some guys made huge #'s but some couldn't even get any readings :mad:

[Mule]

Dam dude, that's some impressive numbers.

Mine is 390hp/980 tq. (to the ground) off ATS dyno sheet. PS ATS SUCKS, I would only send my enemies there. They cost me around $4K in clutch work.....

Mods on my 03 CTD H.O. w/ NV5600
AFE cold air intake, Edge EZ on #2, Bullydog PP on pulling, Holly Blue - pusher pump, 4" exhaust w/ Aeroturbine - no muffler, SB dual material clutch w/ SB HP master/slave hydraulics.
Other things to note.
Pac brake and 3 gauge pod.

Oh yeah, for the dreaded CTD NV5600 crappy shifting, either over fill by 1.5 qts 5w30 syn oil or fill with Synthetic 75-90. It took care of my shift problems to do Amsoil 75-90 HD in my tranny after 120k miles of crap shifting.

563hp/1141tq.

Sorry, no way to scan my dyno sheet. Posted those #'s on a Dyno Jet at Brian's Truck Shop in Lead Hill, AR. You Powerstroke guys should know who that is.


Short list of mods:

Edge Juice stacked with Bully Dog Powerpup
Phat Shaft 62/14 Turbo
75hp high flow injectors
A/T tranny built to take it
All on #2 DIESEL ALONE!!!

[Mule]

2000 W9 Kenworth
550HP and 1836FT lb of torque
:D

Got that fuel pump cranked up pretty well......:beer:


While we are at it, this one's for the gen 3 up CTD guys.
If I want to upgrade the stock 3.5" outlet turbo on my truck, will a newer 05ish one work?
I'm way behind the 8 ball on turbos, as you can see.
My towing is fine, I do have EGT problems sometimes and can't figure that one out. Maybe it's my lead foot - doing 80 w/ the 5ver on the back up the passes...... I have to slow down to 75 up Floyd in 5th to keep it at 1200*
Any ideas?

[1967k10]

Dam dude, that's some impressive numbers.

Mine is 390hp/980 tq. (to the ground) off ATS dyno sheet. PS ATS SUCKS, I would only send my enemies there. They cost me around $4K in clutch work.....



Funny thing is they are my only enemies :rant: . I think they suck too. They won't back their warranties well either.

[Mule]

Funny thing is they are my only enemies :rant: . I think they suck too. They won't back their warranties well either.

Yeah, Clint has lost control of the place. He had a good tranny shop before he got big. I wouldn't buy his crap or run it if it was given to me. I have never talked to anyone with something good to say about them or their products.

Anyway, back to the numbers game.......
I've been thinking about sticking a 62/12 on mine, but, the $1200 is holding me back. I just put the Pac Brake on last month......

[XtremeXJ]

Bone stock

2008 6.7 Cummins
350hp @ 1100rpm
650lb-ft @ 1100rpm

At least that is what the spec sheets say.

[Cresso]

Bone stock

2008 6.7 Cummins
350hp @ 1100rpm
650lb-ft @ 1100rpm

At least that is what the spec sheets say.

Ooo baby, that's a sweet tow rig. :thumbsup: Those numbers are most likely flywheel, though. I've seen a couple threads of bone stock 6.7 Cummins trucks on the dyno and they're putting down 280-300hp and 500-530 ft-lbs. Highest numbers of the big 3 stock 2008 trucks, from what I've read so far.

[XtremeXJ]

I just like the fact that the numbers are at 1100rpm, that is like idle speed (I know it is higher it is just such a low number) - most of the "STOCK" specs are usually high anyways - like you said, taken at the flywheel, before any other drag is counted for.

[jeepin890]

Are you all talking sea level #s. If so there is a bad white crew cab dodge running around montrose. 650 hp and 1400 ft-lbs.

[74BuckinBronc]

I think most shops try to make adjustments to get accurate measurements at their elevation. Plus elevation has a lot less of an effect on a forced induction vehicle.

J.D.