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bigo1966
October 7th, 2009, 09:12 AM
Which do you think would be better for deer/elk a .338 marlin or a .45/70 Government? Both lever actions.

Orion

ZappBranigan
October 7th, 2009, 09:18 AM
Are you hunting in dense brush? A 45/70 has a very high trajectory - it's going to be difficult to take a long shot with it.

FWIW I do all my hunting with a .30-06, 125 grains for antelope (handloads) and 180 grains for elk (factory loads, Winchester soft-point.) I haven't gotten an elk yet but my brother got one last year, also using a .30-06 with 180 grain bullets, at about 300 yards.

I would not want to shoot a .45/70 at that range. I think you'd have to super-elevate the muzzle like a howitzer!

Steve
October 7th, 2009, 09:32 AM
Neither one for elk. Most shots at an elk you'll get are not very close. YOu need something that shoots pretty flat out to at least 200 yds IMO. I use a Weatherby .270 mag for elk. Have killed a couple at about 250 yds with it.

Loki
October 7th, 2009, 09:46 AM
Of those 2, I'd go with the .338 Marlin Express. Using the Hornady LeveRevolution cartridges you get more range than the 45-70.

kmon35
October 7th, 2009, 11:10 AM
Either will work within their effective range.

I use a .444 Marlin with 265gr FN when hunting dark timber, and killed an elk at 35 yds. It traveled about 20 yds after the shot and died.

When I am hunting more open country, I use a 7mm rem mag with 162gr BTSP, which I feel very confident with out to 400 yds. I know the rifle will shoot accuratelt further, but I wold not, simply because I have not practiced with it enough at greater distances. I also like trying to get as close as I can.

bigo1966
October 7th, 2009, 11:36 AM
Ive never hunted deer or elk but i want to....nexy year. I mentioned it to my dad and he is going to get me my firts large game rifle for x-mass. Im leaning towards the .338 Marlin for the range but the .45/70 just seems cool. I think ill go with the .338. Pretty much a buck a bullet for either of the 2 right?

noahfecks
October 7th, 2009, 12:30 PM
Flat trajectory with high muzzle velocity. Theres a reason the 30-06 and 7mm are so popular. something 165 gr for deer 180gr for elk. I shoot .308, and as a responsible hunter set a limit of approx 400yds for my maximum shot distance. Some say the .308 is too small but I have never had a big game animal take more than 5 steps after I hit it.

ZappBranigan
October 7th, 2009, 01:10 PM
Pretty much a buck a bullet for either of the 2 right?

:lmao:

Haven't bought ammo in a while have you? :D

The most common calibers like .30-06 are hovering around $20/20 rounds. For something exotic/magnum like .338 or .45/70, figure $30/20 minimum, and it only goes up from there.

For a real treat, check out the prices of the exotic 'dangerous game' cartridges like .458. A hundred bucks a box (that's five dollars a round!) is the starting price. :eek:

osue077
October 7th, 2009, 01:50 PM
7 mag or 300 win mag for the price, most accurate at 500 yds with knock down

Loki
October 7th, 2009, 02:55 PM
Well since you don't have it yet. I second the 300 win mag. Nothing in North America is to big for it. Now If your going to Africa, you'd want something else but for here you can't go wrong with it. :thumbsup:

Grant H.
October 7th, 2009, 03:30 PM
.308 Win for Deer, Elk, and Moose...

Handloads with 180gr Sierra Game Kings at 2800-2900fps.

ZappBranigan
October 7th, 2009, 04:13 PM
.308 Win for Deer, Elk, and Moose...

Handloads with 180gr Sierra Game Kings at 2800-2900fps.

.30-06 is ballistically just about the same and a lot more common. ;)

noahfecks
October 7th, 2009, 05:04 PM
.30-06 is ballistically just about the same and a lot more common. ;)

Personal prefrence. Do you think its that much more common? Both good rounds.

Trango
October 7th, 2009, 05:42 PM
:tisk: Spitzer bullets in a tubular magazine. :tisk:

Orion might be stuck on Lever action...... just saying.

IH8PVMNT
October 7th, 2009, 05:59 PM
7mm Mag 162 gr Noslar Partition rounds hand loads is what I use for Deer/Elk. Very flat flight path and I would not have an issue taking a shot from essentially point blank out to 500 yards with that round. I have been told its still very lethal beyond 500 yards but I am not comfortable with a shot that far nor have I practiced shots that far so my limit is 500 yards and the gun can way out perform me.

bigo1966
October 7th, 2009, 06:07 PM
Yeah, I like lever actions.

MonkeyBomb
October 7th, 2009, 06:07 PM
I have the marlin 1895 guide gun in 45/70. 18 inch ported barrell. No problems out to 150 with off the shelf ammo. Love the gun, it has customs sights and a custom trigger. You might get a consistent 200 yards with a longer barrell

But if I were to buy my first Elk rifle I would go another route. A nice Bolt gun in any calber from 270 up is a sure bet for Elk, Deer and Antelope.

The 45/70 that I have is a great gun but depending on how you hunt and where it may not be the best choice range wise.

With that said I have never shot a Deer or Elk at more than 60 yards away with a rifle. But I bow hunt most of the time.

The 45/70 is mostly a hog gun now. And it excells at that.

Steve
October 7th, 2009, 06:22 PM
:lmao:

Haven't bought ammo in a while have you? :D

For a real treat, check out the prices of the exotic 'dangerous game' cartridges like .458. A hundred bucks a box (that's five dollars a round!) is the starting price. :eek:

Like the Weatherby ammo for mine. It's between $3 and $4 every time I pull the trigger. :eek: Of course, in the grand scheme of things and the total price of an elk hunt, that's nothing. It's not like you're going to use a large caliber big game rifle for target plinking. :shrug:

bigo1966
October 7th, 2009, 08:46 PM
Im 99% sure im going to get this one.

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/308MarlinExpress/338MXLR.asp

My dad is going to give me 2 guns to trade/sell to get that Marlin. A Chilean Mauser 1895 Rifle and a 1907 Mark 3. Both in excellent condition. That should work for me.

CSP
October 8th, 2009, 09:52 AM
Yeah, I like lever actions.

My dad likes lever actions as well. He's used a Savage Model 99 in .300 Savage for over 40 years and has killed a lot of elk with it. I talked him into a Remington BDL bolt action .30-06 back in the early 90s, but he reverted back to the old Savage.

Jake_Blues
October 8th, 2009, 10:54 AM
:tisk: Spitzer bullets in a tubular magazine. :tisk;

They make soft-tipped spitzer bullets that get around that limitation now.

-E

ZappBranigan
October 8th, 2009, 10:59 AM
Do you think its that much more common? Both good rounds.

Yes, quite a bit more. Dad and brother both use .308 rifles (Savage 99 lever actions) and the choice of ammo that they have is usually limited to 3 or 4 bullet weights and/or brands. And at some smaller stores they don't even stock .308 since it's not a high-demand caliber.

OTOH, I use a .30-06 and always have a wider range of ammo, plus anybody that stocks rifle ammo is always going to have .30-30 and .30-06 in stock, no matter where you go.

Trango
October 8th, 2009, 11:51 AM
And if you shoot 30-06 or 30-30, you won't be suffering the seasonal shortages seen in the less common cartridges.... go and try to find any of the premium versions of the RUM, WBY, WSM cartridges right now. *Everyone* is snapping these up in anticipation of elk and deer.

Steve
October 8th, 2009, 11:56 AM
go and try to find any of the premium versions of the RUM, WBY, WSM cartridges right now. *Everyone* is snapping these up in anticipation of elk and deer.

Last time I was at Sportman's Warehouse here they had very little rifle ammo, except for WBY. Those shelves were very well stocked. Not many people shoot the WBY-only magnums.

Mudbug63
October 8th, 2009, 02:47 PM
The other day Gander had a box of .416 Rigby for $299 a box of 20 :eek:...It was a little dusty.

$14.95 a squeeze before tax.

ZappBranigan
October 8th, 2009, 03:52 PM
The other day Gander had a box of .416 Rigby for $299 a box of 20 :eek:...It was a little dusty.

$14.95 a squeeze before tax.

Dang it, that's really going to frustrate my plans to build a .416 Rigby caliber Minigun! :D


http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z256/ZappBranigan/Misc%20pictures/minigun.jpg

Mudbug63
October 8th, 2009, 04:27 PM
Dang it, that's really going to frustrate my plans to build a .416 Rigby caliber Minigun! :D




I believe that might just violate several game laws not the least of which is excessive magazine capacity. :flipoff2:

Loki
October 8th, 2009, 06:30 PM
I believe that might just violate several game laws not the least of which is excessive magazine capacity. :flipoff2:

I can't find any game laws pertaining to Radical Islamic Terrorists...:shrug:

ZappBranigan
October 9th, 2009, 10:02 AM
I can't find any game laws pertaining to Radical Islamic Terrorists...:shrug:

Yeah, there's no bag limit either but you have to wear a HAZMAT suit when you're dressing them out. ;)

flyfishme98
October 21st, 2009, 12:47 PM
my new caliber of choice is 338 federal, it is awesome.

ASCTLC
October 21st, 2009, 03:53 PM
I shoot the 30-06 for simply availability of ammo for it. I use the Federal Light Mag 180 gr Partition in it and 2 years in a row, got 2 elk at about 100 yards each. Neither could hold the bullet as it passed through, both broadside shots, with nickle sized exits on both. Last years elk (mature bull) dropped like a brick and this year's (small spike) took 4 very lethargic steps and dropped flat.

During the height of the ammo dry spell, the rarer calibers seemed available because less people used it but during the catch up, the more common seemed to hit the shelves faster as mfrs focused on that stuff first. Just a thought.

On edit: ...but the Fed premium ammo isn't exactly the cheapest either. Now running just over $2.00 a shot ($45-$49 per box of 20).

Andy

Grant H.
October 21st, 2009, 04:00 PM
.30-06 is ballistically just about the same and a lot more common. ;)

Very true.

Started with a .30-06 at 14 and then traded it for a heavy barreled .308 that I had seen and shot.

Since then, rather than branching into more calibers, I just load what I want.

The Extractor
October 21st, 2009, 07:10 PM
I vote .270. I took my 6 point tuesday morning with it. Went 10 feet then keeled over. It is flatter shooting than a 30-06 and has slightly less recoil for the recoil weenies. No reason to have a rifle you cannot shoot accuately.