interesting reading

[vb]

http://www.stopecoviolence.org/words.htm



go to the home page and stomp around in here . i found this but have not spent much time in the site



comments?

[vb]

bueller!!!


comments??

[Cresso]

Not for lack of my own opinions, but how do you feel that this applies to us? Are fourwheelers the victims of eco-terrorism?

[vb]

yer kidding?

[Cresso]

just wanted to hear your thoughts...that's all. I'm not saying fourwheelers aren't a victim, I'm not saying they are. Strictly asking for your input.

[vb]

well thats kinda what i was hopein to get with this post from others. can i wait to answer?

[Yucca-Man]

Makes me wonder if the toxic fumes given off by burning H2s are any less dangerous than the gasses it would ordinarily expel during its life.

Have I been a target of eco-terror? I don't know, but some jackhole started putting nails in my tires shortly after I lifted my Jeep and put 32s on it. At least five times in one semester, but I have Marine Corps license plates and live in a campus apartment that is rife with Islamic students as well. Could have been anyone, but I guarantee they'd get an express ride down the stairwell if I ever found out who it was.

[Cresso]

I guess I've waited long enough and it seems not too many people have responded. I'll add my personal remarks to the situation (which does not reflect the opinion of the staff of CO4x4.org in any way).

From reviewing that site at length, I think the eco-terrorists they are pursuing are rarely, if ever, impeding on our turf, so to speak. They appear to be going after the people who are damaging property for the express purpose of drawing attention to their cause(among several other causes, of which the land issue seems to be a tertiary concern at most). I rarely see that happen in the fourwheeling world. Frankly, I can think of only one such occurance which was directed at our local community, and that was the felling of ~300+ trees in the Left Hand area, supposedly to prevent fourwheelers from causing more damage. As I understand it, this person was prosecuted and found guilty. Perhaps he was given a light sentence, but the fact remains that he did not escape prosecution - to me, that provides precendence of a guilty verdict to those who would take such matters into their own hands with presumably increasingly harsh consequences.

To be brutally honest, I think there are small factions of our own populace that perform enough deleterious acts that, if properly recorded, provide more than enough propaganda for the general populace to shut us down. Such acts have been recorded in abundance in the past and I expect no change in the future. If others can think of specific circumstances that have affected the fourwheeling community as deliberately harmful campaigns, I would love to hear it as it would certainly affect my opinion.

In the end, I believe we do more damage ourselves than any eco-terrorism group has done thus far and, as such, don't see any benefit in supporting an anti-eco-terrorism group. Sorry, vb. I just don't see the value.

[vb]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecoterrorist

http://www.objectivistcenter.org/navigator/articles/nav+rbidinotto_hollywood-canonizes-eco-terrorist.asp
additional food for thought



no need to appologizecresso. thats why i put it up

[MountainJeep]

ummm what kind of comments are you looking for VB?

Terrorism is terrorism nomatter what beliefs it is based upon.

**** em all.

hows that for a comment

::ducks as Camp comes looking for the f-Bomb perp::

[vb]

well,

we see the groups targeted by the first link, and it perty clear that those folks are a danger.
cresso sorta touched on the folks that downed all the trees and ripped up the roads. would boslough be concidered in that group?

what about those that want to call us terrorist?


if someone in a rig drives down the road and purposely destroys something of a private land owners?

is civil disobediance exceptable and under what conditions?

now that terrorist in in the language can anyone that disagrees be labeled as such?

just to get the ball rolling

[DanaT]

I read a little of the page to get the hint. I read the threats from the eco-terrorists saying they were in peoples houses, they follow them, etc, etc, etc.

If I were in these victim's situations, I know what I would do. If one of them ever entered my house and I was home, they would be leaving in a different state than they entered.

In general, I think it is insane to push people how these eco-terrorists are. You never know what a "normal" person might do. How do you know if you are cornering a person and his family somewhere, threatening, them that the person will not defend himself and family? Yes, in Colorado, you only have about a 0.15% percent chance of running into that person that has the means to defend themsleve properly, but I would still think about it before I did it.

Remember, the police aren't here to prevent your murder; they are here to solve the crime after it happens.

Just some thoughts.

-Dana

[vb]

eco nazis, enviro terrorist, evironmentalist, greenies, etc

anything ecology or environment seems to give these folks legitimacy.

for the most part what i see is folks that are ANTI . they dont want others to drive suv's they dont want others to recreate in the woods etc. yet they do drive suvs and they do recreate in the woods. they live in homes built with trees and they use electricity and other power sources not made from wind and sun.

id like to see us use a more apropriate term for these folks. anti access , or hypocrits , are some such.
there is still more to my thoughts on this but does anyone else get this thought?