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RockYacht
May 6th, 2009, 09:57 AM
Several of you may have met Cody or have at least seen his Jeep in Moab or a magazine somewhere.

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC07798.jpg


Cody was running 38.5 x 14 Creepy Krawlers with our front fenders and with no issues, but recently decided to upgrade to 40" MTR's which have posed a bit of a problem. As you can see in the pic below, even with our larger wheelwell opening (the largest in the industry! :))the 40's are gonna want to hit the back of the fender at full turn and full stuff.

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC07782.jpg

Well, we can't move the fender opening back any further, so that only leaves us with only one option, move the axle forward. Instead of just cutting the frame and moving everything forward we are going upgrade to a 4-bolt steering box, rotate that box downward, which will in turn move the pitman arm forward. We are then going to move the lower coil mounts back. Between these two mods we are hoping to move the axle forward around 4".





Now that you've seen the nice before pics, here's what Cody's TJ it looks like now!


http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC07923.jpg
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC07924.jpg
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC07928.jpg


Stay tuned for further updates!

05Willys
May 6th, 2009, 11:02 AM
Awesome! Why a 4 bolt box instead of just rotating and adding a new bolt hole above the frame. Someone around here did that before. Or use a for van box? Just curious. I look forward to seeing the new stance.

tjjared413
May 6th, 2009, 12:56 PM
nice more pics and more info!!!!!

RockYacht
May 6th, 2009, 02:07 PM
Awesome! Why a 4 bolt box instead of just rotating and adding a new bolt hole above the frame. Someone around here did that before. Or use a for van box? Just curious. I look forward to seeing the new stance.

For the added strength of the 4-bolt mounting system, plus if he ever changed to an aftermarket box he would need a 4-bolt mount.

RockYacht
May 6th, 2009, 05:35 PM
Put some tubing in place to keep everything square.

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC07942.jpg

Cut out the factory crossmember.

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC07945.jpg

Now it's time to clean everything up and start playing with the steering box.

05Willys
May 6th, 2009, 06:35 PM
Good to know about the box. Will you be moving the Winch down now that the crossmember is out. I have always liked that ides.
Keep the thread updated, I like it.:thumbsup:

RockYacht
May 6th, 2009, 07:07 PM
Cody'd Jeep already runs a 4 bolt box from PSC - the problem with that is the TJ frame only has the 3 mounting points. So we're fixing that, as Rod pointed out to give it a bullet proof mount. Near as I can tell the PSC box is the old school "76" box (that the YJ's and alot of full size trucks ran). Not sure what PSC did inside as far as gear ratio - but I do know the YJ's had a 3.8:1 ratio...

We're planning to kit the install, so stay tuned. This would make an AWESOME upgrade to the 03+ boxes. Ask Conrad what he thinks of those... ;)

Bob

RockYacht
May 7th, 2009, 02:10 PM
We used the lower right bolt (finger) as the pivot point for the box.

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC07959.jpg

Here are the final mounting holes..

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC07965-1.jpg

New spacers tacked in place.

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC07962.jpg

Overall, this moved the pitman arm forward nearly 2" and also tucked the box up out of harms way. Will post some pics of the mounted box up soon.

not so Quikjeep
May 7th, 2009, 05:57 PM
I have thought about doing the exact same thing many times. Thanks for doing first so now I have a guide.

-Tom

BradC
May 9th, 2009, 12:40 PM
Nice build

Matt
May 9th, 2009, 12:58 PM
Great idea Bob, keep the updates coming.

RockYacht
May 11th, 2009, 12:34 PM
Here's the latest.

The anti-rock didn't cooperate the way we had hoped. We were hoping that we would have more clearance between it and box than we actually got, it's tight but it still clears. Our original plan was to make a new crossmember/bumper/winch mount that would work with the antirock system but that ideas been scratched. So instead we reinstalled the factory crossmember and notched it for the steering box and then added some gussets for additional strength. We could have cut the frame and moved the antirock forward but that would have defeated our goal of stretching the front wheelbase without cutting the frame.

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC07973.jpg
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC07976.jpg
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC07977.jpg
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC08097.jpg
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC08098.jpg

RockYacht
May 14th, 2009, 11:02 AM
Teaser pic.

Here's approximate ride height (3.5" spring, Acos adjusted about 1.25") with a 40" tire and our GenII fender. We were able to move the axle forward almost right at 3". I was standing off to the side a little so it's hard to see the true approach angle but it is nearly zero degrees. As you can see, the tire is going to be able to stuff very nicely :smokin:

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC08100.jpg

Steven_Mc
May 14th, 2009, 11:04 AM
Wow! Very nice! Looks good!

RockYacht
May 14th, 2009, 11:50 AM
More pics!! :D

The front axle is a ProRock 60, 63" wide, 4" backspacing on wheels.

Here it is at full stuff with the tire straight. The tire just kisses the 3.5" flare.

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC08102.jpg

Turned fully to the DS. The tire spins freely.

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC08103.jpg

Fully turned to the PS, still just smooching the flare.

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC08104.jpg

SPY
May 14th, 2009, 12:28 PM
Great build, but why not go full hydro?

RockYacht
May 14th, 2009, 12:37 PM
It already has hydraulic assist on it, plus Cody likes to be able to drive it at highway speeds.

05Willys
May 14th, 2009, 12:56 PM
Very cool. Bummer about the sway bar. I would have loved to see a bumper/crossmember that would allow the winch to sit between the rails.

dadsjeepgirl24
May 17th, 2009, 01:13 AM
Love what you guys are doing to the crawler, can't wait for dad to bring it home, so I can take it for a test drive!!!!:rolleyes:
PS, got any work you wanna do to an '05 KJ CRD????:D
Thanks for sending me the info so I can watch along!!

RockYacht
June 1st, 2009, 04:40 PM
Don't give up everyone. We have done some new things to Codys Jeep that you are gonna love. Pics will be coming soon!

RockYacht
June 5th, 2009, 05:31 PM
I know it has been awhile since we updated this thread but the build is completed. The steering stretch worked out perfectly. With the rear stretch the WB is now 99". This is with 3.5" suspension lift, 1" body and 40" MTR's


Sitting flat

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC08271.jpg

Here the tire is 38.5" off the ground (that's another 40 in the pic)

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC08241.jpg

Full stuff with bumpstops adjusted appropriately.

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC08246.jpg

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC08220.jpg

More pics!

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC08218.jpg
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC08223.jpg
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/DSC08214.jpg

CJNUT
June 5th, 2009, 06:29 PM
Omg

Impaired
June 5th, 2009, 06:35 PM
I like the angle of the front control arms, good work:thumbsup:

vb
June 5th, 2009, 10:27 PM
looks like the front fender went up to a highline from post number 15. i like the rear. thats exactly what id like for my yj. will you now be making hiline fronts? and some for yj?

Matt
June 5th, 2009, 11:22 PM
sweet :drool:

RockYacht
June 8th, 2009, 09:35 AM
looks like the front fender went up to a highline from post number 15. i like the rear. thats exactly what id like for my yj. will you now be making hiline fronts? and some for yj?

Yup, we were not happy with the amount of flex because we knew it could do alot better so the fender had to go up to make room. We will be making them but they will not be available until late summer.

longboy
June 8th, 2009, 09:37 AM
Nice work Bob. Looks like it's changed quite a bit since I was up there in May-

vb
June 8th, 2009, 01:20 PM
Yup, we were not happy with the amount of flex because we knew it could do alot better so the fender had to go up to make room. We will be making them but they will not be available until late summer.


id love to have that front and rear exactly for the yj. i still need to get a truss and spring buckets and stuff from ya so..... we shall see what work this summer brings

RockYacht
July 9th, 2009, 12:33 PM
After the Reno W.E.Rock event Cody couldn't wait to put our work to the test.

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/IMG_5095.jpg
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/IMG_5105.jpg
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/IMG_5110.jpg
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww112/TnTCustoms/IMG_5117.jpg