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Loki
June 25th, 2008, 12:46 PM
Supreme court rules 5-4 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080625/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_child_rape)

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Wednesday outlawed executions of people convicted of raping a child.

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In a 5-4 vote, the court said the Louisiana law allowing the death penalty to be imposed in such cases violates the Constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

"The death penalty is not a proportional punishment for the rape of a child," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in his majority opinion. His four liberal colleagues joined him, while the four more conservative justices dissented.

There has not been an execution in the United States for a crime that did not also involve the death of the victim in 44 years.

Patrick Kennedy, 43, was sentenced to death for the rape of his 8-year-old stepdaughter in Louisiana. He is one of two people in the United States, both in Louisiana, who have been condemned to death for a rape that was not also accompanied by a killing.

The Supreme Court banned executions for rape in 1977 in a case in which the victim was an adult woman.

Forty-five states ban the death penalty for any kind of rape, and the other five states allow it for child rapists. Montana, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Texas allow executions in such cases if the defendant had previously been convicted of raping a child.

The court struggled over how to apply standards laid out in decisions barring executions for the mentally retarded and people younger than 18 when they committed murder. In those cases, the court cited trends in the states away from capital punishment.

In this case, proponents of the Louisiana law said the trend was toward the death penalty, a point mentioned by Justice Samuel Alito in his dissent.

"The harm that is caused to the victims and to society at large by the worst child rapists is grave," Alito wrote. "It is the judgment of the Louisiana lawmakers and those in an increasing number of other states that these harms justify the death penalty."

But Kennedy said the absence of any executions for rape and the small number of states that allow it demonstrate "there is a national consensus against capital punishment for the crime of child rape."

Kennedy also acknowledged that the decision had to come to terms with "the years of long anguish that must be endured by the victim of child rape."

Still, Kennedy concluded that in cases of crimes against individuals — as opposed to treason, for example — "the death penalty should not be expanded to instances where the victim's life was not taken."

The decision does not affect the imposition of the death penalty for other crimes that do not involve murder, including treason and espionage, he said.

"It looks like a smashing victory on all fronts for us," said Denise LeBoeuf, a longtime capital defense attorney from New Orleans.

The girl's mother said, "We don't talk about that" and hung up.

The author of the Louisiana law, former Republican state Rep. Pete Schneider, said even opponents of the death penalty told him they would kill anyone who raped their children. "When are you going to have the courage to stand up for what's right for all of the people — but especially the children under 12 that have been brutally raped by monsters?" Schneider said, directing his comments to the justices in Wednesday's majority.

The last executions for crimes other than murder took place in 1964, according to a database maintained by the Death Penalty Information Center.

Ronald Wolfe, 34, died in Missouri's gas chamber on May 8, 1964 for rape. James Coburn was electrocuted in Alabama on Sept. 4 of that year for robbery.

Patrick Kennedy was convicted in 2003 of raping his stepdaughter at their home in Harvey, La., outside New Orleans. The girl initially told police she was sorting Girl Scout cookies in the garage when two boys assaulted her.

Police arrested Kennedy a couple of weeks after the March 1998 rape, but more than 20 months passed before the girl identified him as her attacker.

His defense attorney at the time argued that blood testing was inconclusive and that the victim was pressured to change her story.

The Louisiana Supreme Court upheld the sentence, saying that "short of first-degree murder, we can think of no other non-homicide crime more deserving" of the death penalty. State Chief Justice Pascal Calogero noted in dissent that the U.S. high court already had made clear that capital punishment could not be imposed without the death of the victim, except possibly for espionage or treason.

A second Louisiana man, Richard Davis was sentenced to death in December for repeatedly raping a 5-year-old girl in Caddo Parish, which includes Shreveport. Local prosecutor Lea Hall told jurors: "Execute this man. Justice has a sword and this sword needs to swing today."

The high court's decision leaves intact Kennedy's conviction, but will lead to a new sentence.

The case is Kennedy v. Louisiana, 07-343.

Dagimp
June 25th, 2008, 01:14 PM
There is no curing these people, death is a good solution.

Oscar
June 25th, 2008, 01:17 PM
Dunno but would they even survive a life sentence in the general population of a prison?

Loki
June 25th, 2008, 01:22 PM
Dunno but would they even survive a life sentence in the general population of a prison?

Hopefully not, after spending a couple years with Buttsecks Bubba. :thumbsup:

scottycards
June 25th, 2008, 01:38 PM
Dunno but would they even survive a life sentence in the general population of a prison?

Agree. The death penalty is way too easy for these freaks. Let them spend some time in general population.

That's a much better punishment. Maybe starbreaker will chime in and let us know how guys who rape children do in prison.

JKTODD
June 25th, 2008, 01:50 PM
Look up the story behind what is now called Jessica's Law. That MFer is still alive in prison. I would personally pull the trigger, flip the switch, beat to death, etc.. that guy.

Gags
June 25th, 2008, 01:51 PM
agree. The Death Penalty Is Way Too Easy For These Freaks. Let Them Spend Some Time In General Population.

That's A Much Better Punishment. Maybe Starbreaker Will Chime In And Let Us Know How Guys Who Rape Children Do In Prison.

X2

Oscar
June 25th, 2008, 01:52 PM
Here is related article. This guy needs his head smashed too

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,371344,00.html

JKTODD
June 25th, 2008, 01:56 PM
Here is related article. This guy needs his head smashed too

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,371344,00.html

WTF??!!:mad:
I can't even think of anything to say about this guy.

CapnCrunch
June 25th, 2008, 02:00 PM
GenPop...for both the child-rapist AND the above mentioned "defense attorney".

Loki
June 25th, 2008, 02:02 PM
Here is related article. This guy needs his head smashed too

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,371344,00.html

:eek: Like the hell the rapist put them thru wasn't enough. :thumbsdown: I'm sure he was being over dramatic in his opposition to the bill, but still If my daughter was raped and you did that to her on the stand. The state is going to have a murder trial in its future and your's truely would be the defendant. :rant:

JKTODD
June 25th, 2008, 02:02 PM
Paging Starbreaker......

I would like to know if the stories of child rapists behind bars are true. Or if it's a feel good feeling that the rest of us have in regards to pedophiles going behind bars.

newracer
June 25th, 2008, 02:24 PM
I think most of the time they claim they are in danger so the end up not being put into the general population.

shunt
June 25th, 2008, 03:31 PM
We should have no place for scum like that on the earth.... I say make compost out of them...

Budman
June 25th, 2008, 03:45 PM
We should have a place for scum like that...

fixed

And I should be in charge of making sure they get thier just rewards. I would have to build a bigger basement, but Given enough time and money, I could come with a way to make them pay properly for thier crimes.

JKTODD
June 25th, 2008, 03:47 PM
fixed

And I should be in charge of making sure they get thier just rewards. I would have to build a bigger basement, but Given enough time and money, I could come with a way to make them pay properly for thier crimes.

If it were up to me I would grant you this but I wouldn't give you a basement. You could however use town squares all over America.

Yota
June 25th, 2008, 03:48 PM
I didn't really support death for child rape for a couple of reasons. Forget that it would be emotionally satisfying to fry those cockroaches - it would be.

But death for child rape creates a perverse incentive for the criminal to just kill his victim once the rape is accomplished because 1. The penalty is the same so why not? and 2. He may calculate that murdering the kid would help him hide his crime - again, why not?

That's an unintended consequence and it has nothing to do with the constitutional arguments. We always have to focus on the incentives a law will create, not on its intent.

scottycards
June 25th, 2008, 03:51 PM
I didn't really support death for child rape for a couple of reasons. Forget that it would be emotionally satisfying to fry those cockroaches - it would be.

But death for child rape creates a perverse incentive for the criminal to just kill his victim once the rape is accomplished because 1. The penalty is the same so why not? and 2. He may calculate that murdering the kid would help him hide his crime - again, why not?

That's an unintended consequence and it has nothing to do with the constitutional arguments. We always have to focus on the incentives a law will create, not on its intent.

Excellent info to keep in mind when considering Roe v. Wade. :thumbsup:

Yota
June 25th, 2008, 03:53 PM
Excellent info to keep in mind when considering Roe v. Wade. :thumbsup:

So you'd support a murder charge for killing a fetus deliberately?

You keep forgetting that abortion ends the life of an unborn child don't you? Of course you do.

Loki
June 25th, 2008, 03:54 PM
Excellent info to keep in mind when considering Roe v. Wade. :thumbsup:

Ok so we went from not being able to kill convicted child rapists, but were still able to kill innocent babies in the womb.

Good point. :thumbsup:

Gags
June 25th, 2008, 03:55 PM
I didn't really support death for child rape for a couple of reasons. Forget that it would be emotionally satisfying to fry those cockroaches - it would be.

But death for child rape creates a perverse incentive for the criminal to just kill his victim once the rape is accomplished because 1. The penalty is the same so why not? and 2. He may calculate that murdering the kid would help him hide his crime - again, why not?

That's an unintended consequence and it has nothing to do with the constitutional arguments. We always have to focus on the incentives a law will create, not on its intent.

I agree.

JKTODD
June 25th, 2008, 03:56 PM
:popcorn:

scottycards
June 25th, 2008, 03:57 PM
So you'd support a murder charge for killing a fetus deliberately?

You keep forgetting that abortion ends the life of an unborn child don't you? Of course you do.

Mostly just wanted to watch you blow your stack...........:flipoff2:

Yota
June 25th, 2008, 04:00 PM
Mostly just wanted to watch you blow your stack...........:flipoff2:


More like blow your weak argument. :flipoff2:

You give yourself too much credit.

scottycards
June 25th, 2008, 04:03 PM
More like blow your weak argument. :flipoff2:


Ewwwww.........way too much info.

Budman
June 25th, 2008, 04:06 PM
If it were up to me I would grant you this but I wouldn't give you a basement. You could however use town squares all over America.

It would be too grousome for town squares. We could not allow children and old ladies to witness what I would to to these scumbags.

I didn't really support death for child rape for a couple of reasons. Forget that it would be emotionally satisfying to fry those cockroaches - it would be.

But death for child rape creates a perverse incentive for the criminal to just kill his victim once the rape is accomplished because 1. The penalty is the same so why not? and 2. He may calculate that murdering the kid would help him hide his crime - again, why not?

That's an unintended consequence and it has nothing to do with the constitutional arguments. We always have to focus on the incentives a law will create, not on its intent.

You make a good point, which brings us back to my plan for these people.

Yota
June 25th, 2008, 04:29 PM
I would be in favor of the Budman's basement doctrine. :D

shunt
June 25th, 2008, 06:44 PM
The entire prison system needs cleaned up....


I've got some spare time, anybody got a back hoe...?