Used Electric Car On eBay

[TheCopperCowboy]

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I just watched the end of this auction as it went from $60K to $65K with 39 seconds left, then the sniped bid closed it at over $89K. :eek:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230254014549

Damn! They could of bought 2 Prius' for that price. Fawking greenies! :shrug:

[Malamute]

$90K for that. Unbelievable.

[potter]

http://www.teslamotors.com/ Could have bought a brand new 2009 for just a little more.

[Loki]

Well it did come with 2 extra new tires. :thumbsup:

:D

[Malamute]

http://www.teslamotors.com/ Could have bought a brand new 2009 for just a little more.

I don't see a price listed. That's actually not a bad looking little car. It reminds me of a Lotus Exige/Elise.

Edit.....found it. $109K. The only issue is people that are having a hard time affording gas can in no way but that car. Hopefully it's like VCR's and microwaves, unbelievably expensive when first introduced and over time quite affordable.

[JR4X]

What sucks is that the rav ev worked so why didnt they continue making them anyway? Was it costing more to make them than they made selling them? I of course understand that there is no such thing as "zero emissions car". I just dont understand why they quit selling them new:mad: I could see having one of those for the wifey but not for that money!

[mikee_357]

What sucks is that the rav ev worked so why didnt they continue making them anyway? Was it costing more to make them than they made selling them? I of course understand that there is no such thing as "zero emissions car". I just dont understand why they quit selling them new:mad: I could see having one of those for the wifey but not for that money!

big oil, why make a product that will take away from big oil,

[Renegade_Jeeper]

well for a 6 hour charge i can go 100 miles yippie
which means i can go to denver and stay there over night after i get there cause ill run out of juice going back to the springs


damn why didn't they take the idea from gm and learn to make the breaking recharge the battery cause i do know the prototype s-10 did, then maybe the range would never go down and would never have to recharge,


oh and by the way now with how much utilitys cost now a days jeezuz wonder how many kilowats that thing eats up on a 6 hour charge?
prob how much it would cost to fill a quarter of my tank now adays


sorry ranting i just say fawking greenies really if it wasn't for those bleeding heart liberals and fawking your hurting mother earth fear mongers, Life would be better

[mbx400]

i have been toying around with the idea for a while of building an electric truck. There are plenty of options out there to put it together... and i have also thought about adding on some solar panels onto the truck bed like a cover( i know they wont recharge it anytime fast but every little bit counts...) and maybe a small RV generator to be able to fire up that would run off of propane to also be able to supplement the charge. I like to tinker and electronics dont scare me but a simple 48 volt setup wouldn't be hard to put together, or to mate up to the existing manual transmission... we could get a bunch of them and build a bunch together lmao! and then sell them for 150k on ebay

[scottycards]

Screw it, build an electric Lambo. (http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=115988)

:thumbsup: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[potter]

What sucks is that the rav ev worked so why didnt they continue making them anyway? Was it costing more to make them than they made selling them? I of course understand that there is no such thing as "zero emissions car". I just dont understand why they quit selling them new:mad: I could see having one of those for the wifey but not for that money!

Go watch the documentary "Who killed the electric car". :thumbsup:

[creepycrawler]

What sucks is that the rav ev worked so why didnt they continue making them anyway? Was it costing more to make them than they made selling them? I of course understand that there is no such thing as "zero emissions car". I just dont understand why they quit selling them new:mad: I could see having one of those for the wifey but not for that money!


I'm guessing that they weren't a huge seller because of high sticker price. I'm also guessing that maybe they cost as much in electricity to run than a simular high milage gas car cost. I only say that because if you read the questions bidders were asking the seller, one of them asked him how much his elec. bill went up while using it & he ducked the question by saying that he couldn't answer that because his past bills had been deleted or some such crap. :shrug:

[Ooompa Loompa]

Go watch the documentary "Who killed the electric car". :eek: :spit:

Fixed for ya. But you better throw on your tin foil hat!!!! :rolleyes:

[potter]

Fixed for ya. But you better throw on your tin foil hat!!!! :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: It's a good movie. And there isn't too much speculation in it.

[Ooompa Loompa]

:rolleyes: It's a good movie. And there isn't too much speculation in it.

Even though I believe it's gonna be BS, I'm currently playing devils advocate and taking an hour and a half of my time to watch it. I'm currently about 15 min in, and have already heard a bunch of speculation stated as facts, but I'll continue to watch.

[Impaired]

What sucks is that the rav ev worked so why didnt they continue making them anyway? Was it costing more to make them than they made selling them? I of course understand that there is no such thing as "zero emissions car". I just dont understand why they quit selling them new:mad: I could see having one of those for the wifey but not for that money!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_RAV4_EV

"Whether or not Toyota wanted to continue production, it was unlikely to be able to do so, because the EV-95 battery was no longer available. Chevron had inherited control of the worldwide patent rights for the NiMH EV-95 battery when it merged with Texaco, which had purchased them from General Motors. Chevron's unit won a $30,000,000 settlement from Toyota and Panasonic, and the production line for the large NiMH batteries was closed down and dismantled. Only smaller NiMH batteries, incapable of powering an electric vehicle or plugging in, are currently allowed by Chevron-Texaco."

[Impaired]

I'm guessing that they weren't a huge seller because of high sticker price. I'm also guessing that maybe they cost as much in electricity to run than a simular high milage gas car cost. I only say that because if you read the questions bidders were asking the seller, one of them asked him how much his elec. bill went up while using it & he ducked the question by saying that he couldn't answer that because his past bills had been deleted or some such crap. :shrug:

"The MSRP was $42,000; but in California, ZIP-grant rebates of $9,000, decreasing in 2003 to $5,000, and a $4,000 credit from the Internal Revenue Service brought the price down to a more palatable $29,000 ($33,000 for some 2003 deliveries), including the home charger."

"Mileage Costs
As of May, 2006, charging an RAV4EV from full-dead to full-charge, at a rate of US$0.09 per kilowatt-hour, costs around $2.70. As of May, 2008, based on a gasoline price-per-gallon cost of US$3.80 and up. and the non-EV 2003 RAV4 2-wheel-drive gasoline fuel efficiency of 27 mpg, the RAV4EV costs approximately 25% as much to fully charge, and makes mileage in the RAV4EV the cost equivalent to a 111.1-mile-per-gallon small SUV (2.12 L/100 km).

In addition, the RAV4EV has a charge timer built into the dashboard that enables the vehicle to start charging at a specific time. As the RAV4EV easily becomes the main cost of electricity in an average-sized home, this enables the owner to use a Time-Of-Day Meter to reduce electricity costs. This configuration is a standard practice with RAV4EV owners. The price of electricity at night depends on the carrier, but is usually in the range of 60% of the normal rate. In the use of charging the RAV4EV, this equates to a cheaper cost-per-mile, roughly equivalent to a vehicle capable of 166.6 mpg (miles-per-gallon) (1.41 L/100 km), based on a price of US$3.00 per gallon.

The United States Environmental Protection Agency listed mileage ratings for the RAV4EV in its yearly Fuel Economy Guide from 2000 through 2003. The 2003 model recorded city mileage equivalent to 125 mpg, and 100 mpg on the highway. Estimated combined mileage was 112 mpg.

For comparison, a reasonably modern European supermini may manage motorway travel at 5 L/100 km (47 mpg US) or 6.5 L/100 km in city traffic (36 mpg US), while an average North American mid-size car travels 9 L/100 km (27 mpg US) highway, 11 L/100 km (21 mpg US) city."

[Steve]

Well there ya go. If Wikipedia says so it's gospel. :spit:


:rolleyes:

[sweater]

sorry ranting i just say fawking greenies really if it wasn't for those bleeding heart liberals and fawking your hurting mother earth fear mongers, Life would be better

Well put!

:thumbsup:

</sarcasm>

- mike

[potter]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_RAV4_EV

"Whether or not Toyota wanted to continue production, it was unlikely to be able to do so, because the EV-95 battery was no longer available. Chevron had inherited control of the worldwide patent rights for the NiMH EV-95 battery when it merged with Texaco, which had purchased them from General Motors. Chevron's unit won a $30,000,000 settlement from Toyota and Panasonic, and the production line for the large NiMH batteries was closed down and dismantled. Only smaller NiMH batteries, incapable of powering an electric vehicle or plugging in, are currently allowed by Chevron-Texaco."


That's all in "who killed the electric car" as well.

[Ooompa Loompa]

Even though I believe it's gonna be BS, I'm currently playing devils advocate and taking an hour and a half of my time to watch it. I'm currently about 15 min in, and have already heard a bunch of speculation stated as facts, but I'll continue to watch.

Alrighty, just finished watching. One thing very much stands out to me. The film is EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY (oh, and did I mention EXTREMELY?) biased. About 95% of the film is commentary and opinions from one side of the spectrum. You can't really gain an honest opinion about something when you only have one side of the story. Also a lot of the commentary was contradictory. After watching this (and having to read between the lines of the biased commentary, and listen to a lot of contradictions) I can't help but believe that consumers were the main reason the electric car was never a success.

[potter]

Alrighty, just finished watching. One thing very much stands out to me. The film is EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY (oh, and did I mention EXTREMELY?) biased. About 95% of the film is commentary and opinions from one side of the spectrum. You can't really gain an honest opinion about something when you only have one side of the story. Also a lot of the commentary was contradictory. After watching this (and having to read between the lines of the biased commentary, and listen to a lot of contradictions) I can't help but believe that consumers were the main reason the electric car was never a success.

Ok, the commentary through out the film from the public. Was indeed totally biased. It was a bunch of people who had their cars taken from them. But that was just the commentary from consumers, the point of that was to take their opinions on what happened. So take that as it was (opinions of consumers).

Everything else ie; "the actual film". Were true series of events, and factual information.

[Yota]

Again, I ask Potter, why he thinks "the electric car" is dead.

Why Potter?

Why couldn't any auto mfr go our right now and build one?

I mean Toyota is building Priuses aren't they? ("threat" to "big oil")

And Honda is building fuel cell vehicles aren't they? ("threat" to "big oil")

So seriously, what's to prevent someone from building an all-electric? I mean your hypothesis would be (without explanation) "big oil."

Answer: Nothing but economics (which includes the concept of competition). If EVs were more profitable than their alternatives then they'd be on the road right now. Heck, with gasoline prices approaching $4.50 here in CO, the economics could well turn around for EVs. Just don't forget where all that electricity comes from since we can't burn coal and no one seems to want nuke. :)

[potter]

Again, I ask Potter, why he thinks "the electric car" is dead.

Why Potter?

Why couldn't any auto mfr go our right now and build one?

I mean Toyota is building Priuses aren't they? ("threat" to "big oil")

And Honda is building fuel cell vehicles aren't they? ("threat" to "big oil")

So seriously, what's to prevent someone from building an all-electric? I mean your hypothesis would be (without explanation) "big oil."

Answer: Nothing but economics (which includes the concept of competition). If EVs were more profitable than their alternatives then they'd be on the road right now. Heck, with gasoline prices approaching $4.50 here in CO, the economics could well turn around for EVs. Just don't forget where all that electricity comes from since we can't burn coal and no one seems to want nuke. :)

Alternative fuel vehicles are making a HUGE comeback. Smaller compact car sales are now through the roof. As well as the hybrid sales on the rise. In this day and age, with rising gas prices I don't see anyone being able to "hold back" the alternatives. However in 90's, with General Motor's EV1. The development and adoption of the electric vehicle technology was indeed being sidelined. - Which is what the movie goes over.


Why couldn't any auto mfr go our right now and build one?

I mean Toyota is building Priuses aren't they? ("threat" to "big oil")

But seriously, the movies does address both these questions. There's also numerous posts on it as well through out the many threads relating to it on this forum. I believe there's even some in this thread about 7-8 posts up.

[creepycrawler]

"The MSRP was $42,000; but in California, ZIP-grant rebates of $9,000, decreasing in 2003 to $5,000, and a $4,000 credit from the Internal Revenue Service brought the price down to a more palatable $29,000 ($33,000 for some 2003 deliveries), including the home charger."



Was just going by this.....




I don't see a price listed. That's actually not a bad looking little car. It reminds me of a Lotus Exige/Elise.

Edit.....found it. $109K.



:shrug:

[CannonBall]

maybe the range would never go down and would never have to recharge,



This sounds an awful lot like a perpetual motion machine... making more energy than one uses is impossible. That said, the car does have regenerative braking.
-Nate

[Steve]

Alrighty, just finished watching. One thing very much stands out to me. The film is EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY (oh, and did I mention EXTREMELY?) biased. About 95% of the film is commentary and opinions from one side of the spectrum. You can't really gain an honest opinion about something when you only have one side of the story.

Ooompa Loompa, dude, seriously. Didn't you get the memo? You're not allowed to watch the movie with an open mind. You MUST put on your tinfoil hat and believe everything it says as gospel fact. At the end of the movie the uber-liberal mind control should have taken over and made you into a true believer.

To wit:

Everything else ie; "the actual film". Were true series of events, and factual information.

[TheCopperCowboy]

I'm down in Ormond Beach, Florida at the in-laws for a week. I have their Prius to drive around in and will take it down to Orlando tomorrow. From what I've seen so far, I'm really impressed that the little econobox hauled 5 people and 5 pieces of luggage from the airport while getting 49.5 MPG with the A/C on. :cool:

[Colo.TJ]

I'm down in Ormond Beach, Florida at the in-laws for a week. I have their Prius to drive around in and will take it down to Orlando tomorrow. From what I've seen so far, I'm really impressed that the little econobox hauled 5 people and 5 pieces of luggage from the airport while getting 49.5 MPG with the A/C on. :cool:

Hijack;

Where in Ormand do they live? The Trails? I used to work for Terminix and Ormond was my route.
My wife is from Fla. and her parents live in Port Orange. In fact her entire family lives in Fla. w/ the exception of her brother who lives here in Denver.

If you see a free mag called Wedding and Reception services her sisters wedding is featured this month.

Hijack off.

[TheCopperCowboy]

Hijack;

Where in Ormand do they live? The Trails? I used to work for Terminix and Ormond was my route.
My wife is from Fla. and her parents live in Port Orange. In fact her entire family lives in Fla. w/ the exception of her brother who lives here in Denver.

If you see a free mag called Wedding and Reception services her sisters wedding is featured this month.

Hijack off.

1118 Northside Drive. Google it. :D

[Colo.TJ]

1118 Northside Drive. Google it. :D

If they lived and used Terminix in late 93' to early 94' I was the tech. I had a few accounts in that area. But that was 14yrs ago and doubt they lived there then. Nice area to live in. Ormond in general is very nice.

I also did the Chapmen J Root house beachside. Take the Granada bridge go north a few blocks and look for the Beetle Juice house. Pretty cool. He invented the Coca Cola bottle.

[TheCopperCowboy]

If they lived and used Terminix in late 93' to early 94' I was the tech. I had a few accounts in that area. But that was 14yrs ago and doubt they lived there then. Nice area to live in. Ormond in general is very nice.

I also did the Chapmen J Root house beachside. Take the Granada bridge go north a few blocks and look for the Beetle Juice house. Pretty cool. He invented the Coca Cola bottle.

Ever hear of the Bostroms? Look that one up. :cool:

[potter]

Ooompa Loompa, dude, seriously. Didn't you get the memo? You're not allowed to watch the movie with an open mind. You MUST put on your tinfoil hat and believe everything it says as gospel fact. At the end of the movie the uber-liberal mind control should have taken over and made you into a true believer.

To wit:

Says the guy who hasn't seen it to the one who has and researched it all. We're talking about open minds and not looking past your own nose though right? :rolleyes:

[Steve]

Says the guy who hasn't seen it to the one who has and researched it all. We're talking about open minds and not looking past your own nose though right? :rolleyes:

Nice ASSumption. I've seen it. It's garbage IMO. Happy now?

[Ooompa Loompa]

Nice ASSumption. I've seen it. It's garbage IMO. Happy now?

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2882/owned9wz.jpg

[potter]

Nice ASSumption. I've seen it. It's garbage IMO. Happy now?

So did you not see it with an open mind then? Did you bring a biased opinion into watching the movie?

The facts of the movie have been posted here numerous times. All of them are true. I fail to see how you still believe that a tin foil hat is needed.

[Dagimp]

" and using the carpool lanes -" that would be nice.

[Steve]

So did you not see it with an open mind then? Did you bring a biased opinion into watching the movie?

We all bring biases to anything we do, see, hear, or watch. It's impossible not to. The movie itself has an obvious bias. Read Ooompa Loompa's review previously in this thread; he captured my thoughts on the movie pretty well.