Democrats have a solution to the gas prices!!!

[OrangeCrush]

Everyone a round of applause for Maxine Waters!!

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/22/video-maxine-waters-threatens-to-nationalize-americas-oil-industry/

[Loki]

Maxine Waters for President! :lmao:

[Willy36]

yay for congress.

[bsaunder]

yup - and we elected those people to make our laws for us; no wonder so many of our laws are screwed up....

[supremebeholder]

I think the 35th district should no longer be able to have a representative after seeing the idiot that they elected.

[ArloGuthroJeep]

Hahaha, the lady in the background hiding her smile the second she realized she was talking about nationalizing the oil industry...hahahahahahaha

[jnschwie]

Saw that yesterday, but have NOT seen a clip or a verification from a mainstream news source.



Edit: Also, the word I heard was that she dropped the word "socialize" :eek: before she could find the word "nationalize" -which is what she really meant. (?)

[Dave McDonald]

Now that would be the perfect solution to the problem of quickly creating a market demand for alternative energy.

[Stumpalump]

They say Obamas is even more liberal comunistic than even her! He was rated #1 most liberal. That means Democrate. That means socialist. That means he will be horrible for our country and the working taxpayers in our country. Please make sure yall are registerd to vote these power hungy socialist Democraps out of office. Sure Bush was not perfect but they are not the solution.

[Gags]

They say Obamas is even more liberal comunistic than even her! He was rated #1 most liberal. That means Democrate. That means socialist. That means he will be horrible for our country and the working taxpayers in our country. Please make sure yall are registerd to vote these power hungy socialist Democraps out of office. Sure Bush was not perfect but they are not the solution.

This is all supposition. W is one of the worst in our history.

[Stumpalump]

This is all supposition. W is one of the worst in our history.
Bush may be bad but look at the congress and senate that is Democrat controlled. Remeber how they promised to change the world if they got elected? They have done nothing. The housing crash and oil price has gone up on their watch. They have solved nothing and they won't solve anything if we give them a president that will sign all their social and tax increasing bills.
They will reward years of suport from special intrest gays, unions, minoritys and those seeking goverment handouts. They will punish those that provide jobs,actually pay taxes and american familys and their bisinesses that have not suported them. They will be revengfull and spitefull of those earning a living while telling us they are looking after us. Looking after our money that is to give to those who suport their rise in power. That is socialism and comunism and it's bad for America despite what Bush did or did not do. Besides Bush is not running for relection last time I looked.

[mikee_357]

Bush may be bad but look at the congress and senate that is Democrat controlled. Remeber how they promised to change the world if they got elected? They have done nothing. The housing crash and oil price has gone up on their watch. They have solved nothing and they won't solve anything if we give them a president that will sign all their social and tax increasing bills.
They will reward years of suport from special intrest gays, unions, minoritys and those seeking goverment handouts. They will punish those that provide jobs,actually pay taxes and american familys and their bisinesses that have not suported them. They will be revengfull and spitefull of those earning a living while telling us they are looking after us. Looking after our money that is to give to those who suport their rise in power. That is socialism and comunism and it's bad for America despite what Bush did or did not do. Besides Bush is not running for relection last time I looked.

x2,

you guys really need to get it,

buy more guns and ammo,

revolution is coming,

[Gags]

Bush may be bad but look at the congress and senate that is Democrat controlled. Remeber how they promised to change the world if they got elected? They have done nothing. The housing crash and oil price has gone up on their watch. They have solved nothing and they won't solve anything if we give them a president that will sign all their social and tax increasing bills.
They will reward years of suport from special intrest gays, unions, minoritys and those seeking goverment handouts. They will punish those that provide jobs,actually pay taxes and american familys and their bisinesses that have not suported them. They will be revengfull and spitefull of those earning a living while telling us they are looking after us. Looking after our money that is to give to those who suport their rise in power. That is socialism and comunism and it's bad for America despite what Bush did or did not do. Besides Bush is not running for relection last time I looked.

My point is you do not know this for a fact. History provides examples where what we think is going to happen actually doesn't...And what we don't think will happen does. A shift is needed with in our popular culture. What a Republican was 50 years ago is not what one is today and visa versa as far as Democrats. Plus, Presidents are their own people and will do what they will.

[TwoDogs]

This is all supposition. W is one of the worst in our history.

Gotta agree with Gags. OMFG!!!! :eek: W is sure no winner. Herbert Hoover comes to mind. Yes. I am a Republican. I just REFUSE to support the far right wing of the GOP.

The supposition of Obama's far-left leanings, is partially borne out by his voting record.

[TwoDogs]

My point is you do not know this for a fact. History provides examples where what we think is going to happen actually doesn't...And what we don't think will happen does. A shift is needed with in our popular culture. What a Republican was 50 years ago is not what one is today and visa versa as far as Democrats. Plus, Presidents are their own people and will do what they will.


DAMN!!! :eek: That's twice in one thread!!! :eek: I find myself in agreement with Gags!!! HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :flipoff2:

[Speedwagon]

My point is you do not know this for a fact. History provides examples where what we think is going to happen actually doesn't...And what we don't think will happen does. A shift is needed with in our popular culture. What a Republican was 50 years ago is not what one is today and visa versa as far as Democrats. Plus, Presidents are their own people and will do what they will.

Well then, by your own statement, you are wrong:

This is all supposition. W is one of the worst in our history.

Because you don't know he is one of the worst in our history. Only time can make that statement. None of us certainly can, and it will be YEARS before that decision can be made.

[Stumpalump]

Well years down the road we will be saying thanks to W for putting American solders over the worlds energy supply. May not matter today but down the road we will be glad we built permenent infrastructure in Irac for our boys to whach over it. Even the muzy liberal that is runny backed away from saying complete withdraw. WMD's, Sadam gased the Kurds, terrorist bombed NYC. Who cares? Bush just seized the oportunity at a time of world pitty to get the go ahead and get to the oil. Sure as a side benifit every terrorist in the world that want's to kill Americans can now go to Irac. No laws ,no courts,No reason for them to attack Americans on our soil, and no reason from stopping our boys from mowing them down in Irac. Thanks W. Job well done on at least that front! Of course if the Democrats oposition to our own drilling and refinery building had not happened do you think the Dems would have a reason to bitch about Bush? No because we would never have gone to Irac.

[potter]

Bush may be bad but look at the congress and senate that is Democrat controlled. Remeber how they promised to change the world if they got elected? They have done nothing. The housing crash and oil price has gone up on their watch. They have solved nothing and they won't solve anything if we give them a president that will sign all their social and tax increasing bills.

Wow, you are so wrong. I wonder if I just need to keep that bush economy quote and those deficit / debt pictures on constant readiness for this forum.

[Snotty]

This is all supposition. W is one of the worst in our history.

That is your opinion... :flipoff2:

Maxine Waters meant what she said. She wasn't looking for the word "Nationalize". She broke because she just realized that she let the cat out of the bag.

[Pilot]

Maxine Waters is a socialist IDIOT.

[Ohana Fab]

That is your opinion... :flipoff2:

Maxine Waters meant what she said. She wasn't looking for the word "Nationalize". She broke because she just realized that she let the cat out of the bag.

Meow....

[projectAviator]

G W may not have been the most popular president but look at Carter. Asoma bama is a unknowing idiot that doesn't have a clue, he has no idea how to run this country. I believe if he is elected we will be praying to ala and reading the coran. until some redneck blows him away. If we get a dummycrat in the white house we will have 4 years of corporate America running the country and then the republicans will have to fix it afterwards. it has happened in the past. Carter screwed up with the Iran hostages and as soon as Regan was elected the hostages where released. People need to look at history and see.

Tim

[potter]

People need to look at history and see.


You're definitely right about that. If people do though, they'll come to the opposite conclusion. :P

[Loki]

You're definitely right about that. If people do though, they'll come to the opposite conclusion. :P

It says a lot about the man, that we haven't been attacked again, under his administration. :thumbsup:

[TheCopperCowboy]

It says a lot about the man, that we haven't been attacked again, under his administration. :thumbsup:

If someone took the first threat seriously and proper preventative measures were taken, we would not of been attacked the first time. Although, some kids wouldn't of had the honor of being read "My Pet Goat" by the President of the United States. :rolleyes:

[Loki]

If someone took the first threat seriously and proper preventative measures were taken, we would not of been attacked the first time. Although, some kids wouldn't of had the honor of being read "My Pet Goat" by the President of the United States. :rolleyes:

Someone like Bill Clinton that had the chance to get Bin Laden and DIDN'T!?!?

:shrug:

[potter]

It says a lot about the man, that we haven't been attacked again, under his administration. :thumbsup:

So then vise versa would it not also say a lot about the man in which we were attacked under his administration?

In all honestly though, there's a lot of blame to go around for 9/11. Osama has been a part of our history and politics for a VERY long time. It's not like he popped up out of no where in 2001.

[Snotty]

If someone took the first threat seriously and proper preventative measures were taken, we would not of been attacked the first time. Although, some kids wouldn't of had the honor of being read "My Pet Goat" by the President of the United States. :rolleyes:

You mean Clinton? Because the WTT's were attacked the first time under his watch. His response? Bad intel and kill a Janitor... In case you forgot that or something...

[TheCopperCowboy]

You mean Clinton? Because the WTT's were attacked the first time under his watch. His response? Bad intel and kill a Janitor... In case you forgot that or something...

I remember the "No War For Monica" chants. Clinton gets a BJ and we get fawked. Congress should of just given him all the power he needed to take OBL out back then. What was this adminstrations excuse? Wanted - Dead or Alive. What a fawking joke! I didn't buy it then and the train just left the station. Still weak and pathetic. :rant:

[zillacon]

Someone like Bill Clinton that had the chance to get Bin Laden and DIDN'T!?!?

:shrug:


And W has!:shrug:

[Yota]

And W has!:shrug:

W has done infinitely more to stop OBL personally and to stop al qaeda than any previous president.

Why? Well it's not because Bush had some 6th sense about these things - that he was just more in tune. If that were the case then he would have campaigned on "getting Osama" but he didn't.

The imperative for getting Osama "dead or alive" came on 9/11/2001. No president would have mistaken that call to arms (although it's obvious that some wouldn't go nearly as far). And since that day Bush has worked very hard at finding OBL. But not just that. Our armed forces have crushed al qaeda in Afghanistan and Iraq. I saw a report just the other day that AQI is at nearly its weakest point since the invasion.

No previous president ever took on al qaeda the way we are now. No previous president had the benefit of an iron fisted punch in the nose like Bush did either. There are two eras: pre-9/11 and post-9/11 and they are almost apples and oranges. Almost. Bill Clinton didn't put much emphasis on getting OBL. He could have done a lot more. But then again, it's not like Bush was screaming for a global war against AQ on 9/10/2001 either. This whole Clinton vs Bush BS was played out in the 9/11 Commission hearings and no one really came out golden. Whatever.

The question is what do we do NOW?

[TheCopperCowboy]

The imperative for getting Osama "dead or alive" came on 9/11/2001. No president would have mistaken that call to arms (although it's obvious that some wouldn't go nearly as far). And since that day Bush has worked very hard at finding OBL.

You're going to make me break out the "Where's OBL? Not behind this curtain and he's not under this desk." skit or the, "I don't know where he is, nor do I really spend that much time on it" line as I recall so clearly remark. They are available on YouTube for those short on memory. :flipoff2:

[Snotty]

The question is what do we do NOW?

We know the answer to that. People are either afraid or horrified by it.

Then there are those that are agenda driven and the cost of human lives is worth it.

[Renegade_Jeeper]

Maxine Waters is a socialist IDIOT.

yup


Someone like Bill Clinton that had the chance to get Bin Laden and DIDN'T!?!?

:shrug:

clinton was a pussy
we could have but didn't why cause America was the lap dog to the fawking UN. And also the laughing stock to the world. You know what i think the UN should find a better place to have their HQ then here in America


and you can't fix gas prices by over taxing the big cause guess who is gonna get the full shot of it the guy at the pump its simple really, even a douch bag liberal can understand



Highly tax Big oil and all Big oil
CEOS, big oil gets less cash to pay employees and CEOS,
Hence Big oil raises prices to make up for loss profits
so if you see you try to slap one mans wrist cause prices are so high really the consumer is the one getting a broom stick up their ass

thanks

[architect1]

FU YOU OIL this is nothing but a BIG BIG BUT Fu@k Job to Drill in places no one has. Big Oil "Hey if we FU@K them harrd enought they will cave and let US Big oil do as we see FIT".

NICE to see all the Dip Shit RUBS Supporting the BLACKMALE from oil. PISS OFF You are the Problem.

The Only Idoits are the people Supporting this and letting Oil do as they are.

[potter]

FU YOU OIL this is nothing but a BIG BIG BUT Fu@k Job to Drill in places no one has. Big Oil "Hey if we FU@K them harrd enought they will cave and let US Big oil do as we see FIT".

NICE to see all the Dip Shit RUBS Supporting the BLACKMALE from oil. PISS OFF You are the Problem.

The Only Idoits are the people Supporting this and letting Oil do as they are.

tell us how you really feel :D

[Snotty]

FU YOU OIL this is nothing but a BIG BIG BUT Fu@k Job to Drill in places no one has. Big Oil "Hey if we FU@K them harrd enought they will cave and let US Big oil do as we see FIT".

NICE to see all the Dip Shit RUBS Supporting the BLACKMALE from oil. PISS OFF You are the Problem.

The Only Idoits are the people Supporting this and letting Oil do as they are.

Can you sy "Free Market"?

Can you also say, "we don't control global prices"?

Not banging on you, but "Big Oil" has little to do with the cost of a barrel of oil. Also, Iran is pushing hard for oil to be valued in Euros, not dollars. And with the dollar sinking, as far as value om the world market, of course the cost of oil is going to go up.

Way more going on here then just big oil, and the problem is people who don't understand that. If the dems would have let us drill in the US 10 years + ago now, we would have gotten to this point much slower.

So you can't just blame 'Big Oil' on the costs of fuel right now. the only thing that 'Big Oil' has done, is lobby against alternative fuels. And since oil is their bread and butter, that makes sense. But it was and still is congress allowing this to happen, and it goes back to the Clinton era, when most of the anti-american oil drilling was put into place. Not saying that GW and Co haven't had a hand in it, but there is blame to place on everyone.

And the idea of pissing off OPEC even more with this idea of suing them, makes me want to take congess for a long walk off a short pier.

[architect1]

Can you sy "Free Market"?

Can you also say, "we don't control global prices"?



So really? Big Oil can Lower Prices by Drilling in places they cannot at this time.

They are only Fu@king us with HIGH Gas price to get what they want. If you cannot see that your are BLIND and the as we can see we have many poeple on this fourm that are BLIND

[bsaunder]

So really? Big Oil can Lower Prices by Drilling in places they cannot at this time.

They are only Fu@king us with HIGH Gas price to get what they want. If you cannot see that your are BLIND and the as we can see we have many poeple on this fourm that are BLIND

Only about as blind as those that have been given the facts in how oil and gas are trading in a commodities market and then asked to show any proof of their statements - yet they still go about spewing rhetoric that has little basis on fact....

[Snotty]

So really? Big Oil can Lower Prices by Drilling in places they cannot at this time.

Not what I sad, go back and read my post. Slowly this time.

They are only Fu@king us with HIGH Gas price to get what they want. If you cannot see that your are BLIND and the as we can see we have many poeple on this fourm that are BLIND

By the way, it might help your position if you work on your grammer and spelling.

HIGH Gas price(s)

"that your are BLIND" In correct use of 'your'. You want to use 'you're' or 'you are' in this instance.

Maybe I am not as blind as you think I am. :flipoff2:

Ummm... But we would have been able to supply our own oil, which would have most likely slowed the increase per barrel. And FYI, China and India have more to with rising costs of oil then Big Oil does. In fact, China will pass in the Oil Consumed this year or at the latest, next.

So the global demand for oil is high, thus the price goes up. The value of the dollar is dropping on the global market so cost for oil is going to inflate in value as well. Add in to that, that Iran is pushing to get oil traded in Euros, and expect the cost to get worse.

But if you want to keep spouting off that big oil is bad, knock yourself out. But before you go on about it and telling people they are blind etc, you may want to take a step back, learn something and then come back to the table.

Until then, you are now on your own. Something I expect you won't understand.

[formatt]

By the way, it might help your position if you work on your grammer and spelling.

:spit: seriously.

[TheCopperCowboy]

So, it doesn't really matter if we conserve oil in this country, (since it's a nessessity, and not a luxury), China and India will only increase their demand to keep the price per barrel heading for the sky, making up the difference. I feel we should put our wheat in the same barrels that we bought and match the price of oil. We should break even in no time. :D

[Gags]

Well then, by your own statement, you are wrong:



Because you don't know he is one of the worst in our history. Only time can make that statement. None of us certainly can, and it will be YEARS before that decision can be made.

Well, people do say that history can't be judged accurately until 50 years later.

If we look at the last 50 years can we say we have been in worse trouble than now?

To be honest, I'm frusterated and concerned.

[Steve]

If we look at the last 50 years can we say we have been in worse trouble than now?

I was a relative newlywed with two little kids during the Carter administration. I would say, without any doubt at all, that we were worse off then than now.

[Gags]

I was a relative newlywed with two little kids during the Carter administration. I would say, without any doubt at all, that we were worse off then than now.

Taking gas prices for example, I was born in 75', how did we get our of it then? Were there similiar pressures as there are today?

[TheCopperCowboy]

Taking gas prices for example, I was born in 75', how did we get our of it then? Were there similiar pressures as there are today?

Yeah, by voting the fools out of the office and keeping them out. :thumbsup:

[OrangeCrush]

Gas is 11 cents a gallon in Venezuela!!!

lets just let the government take over all industry I'm sure we'll all be better off


GO OBAMA!!

[Steve]

Taking gas prices for example, I was born in 75', how did we get our of it then? Were there similiar pressures as there are today?

What do you mean by "get out of it?" Prior to the embargo land yachts were popular in this country. The embargo ushered in small econoboxes with better gas mileage. Then we all got complacement again and pickups and huge SUVs were in demand for many years. If gas keeps going up the gov't shouldn't try to "get us out of it" as people will, once again, decide whether living close to work, driving smaller cars, using more mass transit, etc. is the answer for them.

[Snotty]

Yeah, by voting the fools out of the office and keeping them out. :thumbsup:

You do know that it was the DEMS that were voted out, right? :flipoff2:

[TheCopperCowboy]

You do know that it was the DEMS that were voted out, right? :flipoff2:

Yes, and we need to further conserve plus increase domestic drilling / production. It doesn't matter to me who was in the congress back then, I know who was in congress and the White House until recently. Please do not hand me, "but the Democrats have been in control since 2006" crap either. I know where the crying towels and urine stained ropes are kept. ;)

[TwoDogs]

Yes, and we need to further conserve plus increase domestic drilling / production. It doesn't matter to me who was in the congress back then, I know who was in congress and the White House until recently. Please do not hand me, "but the Democrats have been in control since 2006" crap either. I know where the crying towels and urine stained ropes are kept. ;)


WOW!!!!!!!!! I'm actually agreeing with ya!! Copper! :eek:

Doesn't matter who the hooligans in charge are.

[TheCopperCowboy]

WOW!!!!!!!!! I'm actually agreeing with ya!! Copper! :eek:

Doesn't matter who the hooligans in charge are.

Sorry, but I've always have been about the "We the People" and "United We Stand, Divided We Fall" type of mindset. If someone / something is a wedge to this great nation, then in my belief, they / it should be removed in order to allow the U.S.A. and its people to be prosperous. :usa:

[TwoDogs]

Sorry, but I've always have been about the "We the People" and "United We Stand, Divided We Fall" type of mindset. If someone / something is a wedge to this great nation, then in my belief, they / it should be removed in order to allow the U.S.A. and its people to be prosperous. :usa:


I'll go with that... :D

[OrangeCrush]

just vote for the socialist running for president I'm sure gas prices will go down who needs capitolism anyways?

[Snotty]

Sorry, but I've always have been about the "We the People" and "United We Stand, Divided We Fall" type of mindset. If someone / something is a wedge to this great nation, then in my belief, they / it should be removed in order to allow the U.S.A. and its people to be prosperous. :usa:

:rolleyes:

[Gags]

Sorry, but I've always have been about the "We the People" and "United We Stand, Divided We Fall" type of mindset. If someone / something is a wedge to this great nation, then in my belief, they / it should be removed in order to allow the U.S.A. and its people to be prosperous. :usa:

X2

[Gags]

What do you mean by "get out of it?" Prior to the embargo land yachts were popular in this country. The embargo ushered in small econoboxes with better gas mileage. Then we all got complacement again and pickups and huge SUVs were in demand for many years. If gas keeps going up the gov't shouldn't try to "get us out of it" as people will, once again, decide whether living close to work, driving smaller cars, using more mass transit, etc. is the answer for them.

We have a problem. I'd like a solution. When I said, "how did we get out of it" I meant we as a people.

[Steve]

We have a problem. I'd like a solution. When I said, "how did we get out of it" I meant we as a people.

What problem, specifically, are you speaking of? High gas prices? We'll adjust our consumption habits just as with any other commodity that goes up in price. :shrug:

If you don't believe people will adjust their habits as fuel prices go up, go to western Europe and look around.

[Gags]

What problem, specifically, are you speaking of? High gas prices? We'll adjust our consumption habits just as with any other commodity that goes up in price. :shrug:

If you don't believe people will adjust their habits as fuel prices go up, go to western Europe and look around.

Yes, it effects every part of our economy. It's not just about our asses driving around. We are not Western Europe. They're culture is different.

Our friggin dollar sucks, fuel costs are super high, we are in a two front war, housing, what else has to happen before a shift needs to be made?

[Yota]

You're going to make me break out the "Where's OBL? Not behind this curtain and he's not under this desk." skit or the, "I don't know where he is, nor do I really spend that much time on it" line as I recall so clearly remark. They are available on YouTube for those short on memory. :flipoff2:

What would be your point? Perhaps you may recall the hundreds of thousands of troops we have deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq right now?

They are the ones who have driven OBL into hiding and driven his terrorist organization out of the cities of both Afghanistan and Iraq. You, as usual, are looking at whatever validates your hatred of Bush.

... for him who has a selective memory.

[Yota]

So really? Big Oil can Lower Prices by Drilling in places they cannot at this time.

They are only Fu@king us with HIGH Gas price to get what they want. If you cannot see that your are BLIND and the as we can see we have many poeple on this fourm that are BLIND

Only about as blind as those that have been given the facts in how oil and gas are trading in a commodities market and then asked to show any proof of their statements - yet they still go about spewing rhetoric that has little basis on fact....

architect1 has finally lost it and popped a blood vessel in his head.
:D

[Snotty]

FYI, Briton is paying $9 a gallon for diesel. To help put our prices into the proper perspective...

http://www.wkrg.com/news/article/truckers_protest_9_per_gallon_gas/14297/

[Steve]

FYI, Briton is paying $9 a gallon for diesel. To help put our prices into the proper perspective...

Sorry, but Gags says that's irrelavent because they're [sic] culture is different. (http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showpost.php?p=1102534&postcount=59) :P

I would maintain that their driving culture is different because of historically high fuel prices, not the other way around. Gags would apparently disagree.

Edit: Apparently Sound Man agrees with Gags. :D

[Sound_Man]

FYI, Briton is paying $9 a gallon for diesel. To help put our prices into the proper perspective...

http://www.wkrg.com/news/article/truckers_protest_9_per_gallon_gas/14297/



Look at their public transportation system, population/vehicle ownership per capita, and land mass as well. Keep it apples to apples....

[bsaunder]

We have a problem. I'd like a solution. When I said, "how did we get out of it" I meant we as a people.

is it really a problem or a short term pain that needs to be adjusted for? A problem to me (at least one that needs gov. intervention) is something that will cause irreparable economic damage. I don't see high gas prices as doing that - pain the pockets of many and quasi forced changes, yes - irreparable damage, no.

[Clod Hopper]

Look at their public transportation system, population/vehicle ownership per capita, and land mass as well.

That is the point. Historically higher fuel prices have taught them different living habits to accomodate it.

[Steve]

The current lead story on CNN.com is entitled Drivers change their lives to dodge gas bills

[Snotty]

Striking over high fuel prices here or there is pretty much the same thing to me.

And yeah, I have to agree with Steve on this. But no matter how look at it, high fuel prices will force us into new driving habits. Just some people like Arch1 seem to think that is bad thing and we are getting, how did he spell it... f@cked.

[Waifer2112]

I'm taking the bus to work now...even with my Neon getting 34 mpg.

Course, now I get to buy a new white shirt that doesn't have pink gum all over it!! :mad:

[potter]

Look at their public transportation system, population/vehicle ownership per capita, and land mass as well. Keep it apples to apples....

Hey whoa whoa. People here like FACTS. Not logic to go along side them.

[Gags]

Look at their public transportation system, population/vehicle ownership per capita, and land mass as well. Keep it apples to apples....

My point.

[bsaunder]

My point.
<blunt non-sympathetic side> so - ya work in the city - move to the city, you don't have a protected right to live in the country and be given cheap transportation to get to the city - and then you won't "need" a car either</blunt non-sympathetic side>

<other blunt side> the reason we have crappy public transportation and no infrastructure (in comparison) is every time it is brought up, it is voted down; now we get to reap what we've sown</other blunt side>

[Snotty]

Also, you guys are looking for a direct comparison. And that won't work. It is a perspective thing.

When I bought my 2500 CTD I was fine with the cost of fuel to fill it. My brother laughed because it was much more then he paid to fill his Prius.

But now, the cost to fill his Prius is going up and he is starting to complain. So the perspective is the same. The cost to fuel up is getting higher across the globe.

$4.50 here for me vs $9 over there. The perspective is the same, even if the cuture isn't.

[Gags]

<blunt non-sympathetic side> so - ya work in the city - move to the city, you don't have a protected right to live in the country and be given cheap transportation to get to the city - and then you won't "need" a car either</blunt non-sympathetic side>

<other blunt side> the reason we have crappy public transportation and no infrastructure (in comparison) is every time it is brought up, it is voted down; now we get to reap what we've sown</other blunt side>

There are a couple things about Europe that I would like to steal and see done here. Of course, they have a bit more socialism over there.

[scottycards]

There are a couple things about AMSTERDAM that I would like to steal and see done here. Of course, they have a bit more socialism over there.

fixt. ;)

[Gags]

fixt. ;)

France has a fast train.

[scottycards]

I'm good with that.

Of course, I was referring to the generous use of bicycles in Amsterdam.

[Gags]

is it really a problem or a short term pain that needs to be adjusted for? A problem to me (at least one that needs gov. intervention) is something that will cause irreparable economic damage. I don't see high gas prices as doing that - pain the pockets of many and quasi forced changes, yes - irreparable damage, no.


Maybe I don't know what the word problem means:D

I see us staying on oil as our primary fuel as a problem. The global demand and damage done by it (coal too) can be irreparable. Cleaner alternative fuels and containment systems for dirty fuels is something that I thought was serious enough at this point. High oil prices is something that can have control over our Nation and it's people. I don't like other things having that kind of influence as I sit and think of W. asking the friggin Saudis to make more oil. So, how long should a short term pain be?

[scottycards]

Totally agree. Extending the inevitable- running out of a finite resource- doesn't seem like a long-term, permanent solution to me, either.

Why not just sink our cash, efforts, etc. into renewable resources now, and save the hassle and additional expense of doing it later?

Might just save a wildlife refuge and a pristine ecosystem in the process. What a great side benefit.

[Renegade_Jeeper]

Gas is 11 cents a gallon in Venezuela!!!

lets just let the government take over all industry I'm sure we'll all be better off


GO OBAMA!!

there is a reason its only 11 cents a gallon
corrupt government would be number one
number two is that they don't require all the additives we have here
and people don't make as much there as they do here unless they have ties to drugs or the corrupt government


im done now no more posting in this thread will i just get too much more pissed off with all the finger pointing down to the facts its not the big corps controlling all the prices its all the oil producing countries,
i SAY FAWK OPEC and their piece of chit plans

[bsaunder]

Maybe I don't know what the word problem means:D

I see us staying on oil as our primary fuel as a problem. The global demand and damage done by it (coal too) can be irreparable. Cleaner alternative fuels and containment systems for dirty fuels is something that I thought was serious enough at this point. High oil prices is something that can have control over our Nation and it's people. I don't like other things having that kind of influence as I sit and think of W. asking the friggin Saudis to make more oil. So, how long should a short term pain be?

gotcha - I thought you were saying the fuel price was the problem. I'd agree with the oil as primary, or actually any imported energy source as a problem.

[bsaunder]

Gas is 11 cents a gallon in Venezuela!!!

lets just let the government take over all industry I'm sure we'll all be better off


GO OBAMA!!

used to be - not anymore as it has gone up even there. Also having a real problem keeping meat and potatoes on the shelf as government regulated prices aren't high enough for the majority of the suppliers that import it (gov price fixes it, but does not subsidize it). Expect to see an uprising there soon as the "peasants" in much of the country are starting to starve.

[endorice]

Ummm... But we would have been able to supply our own oil, which would have most likely slowed the increase per barrel. And FYI, China and India have more to with rising costs of oil then Big Oil does. In fact, China will pass in the Oil Consumed this year or at the latest, next.

So the global demand for oil is high, thus the price goes up. The value of the dollar is dropping on the global market so cost for oil is going to inflate in value as well. Add in to that, that Iran is pushing to get oil traded in Euros, and expect the cost to get worse.


I TOTALLY agree that we need to diversify our supply of oil. It's regretable that the Democrats have fought so hard against that.

I hear time and time again about how the increase in demand from India and China have caused our problems. While I haven't had the time to research this, it's easy to see that the cost of crude oil (per barrel) has more than doubled in the past 12 months. Can anyone find statistics that show that China & India have DOUBLED their demand for oil in the past 12 months?

[osirus82]

its all about money, simple as that. even your presidential nominees that raise hundreds of millions of dollars are just puppets, obvisiouly if America wanted to make a utopia or do something to actually help out real americans and the world as a whole they would release pattens from back in the 1900's and give free energy to everyone, that is not the case and will never be. everyone will always be subject to the people with the most money in the world, they need to prolong the oil industry not only to make money (LOTS OF FREAKING MONEY) but to control the lives of everyone. Slowly in time we will incorporate renewable energies affordable to all regular bums. The government doesnt care about anyone of you, everyone is either just a bullet doll or a living piggy bank.

I personally think that there should be no fund raising for presidnetial candidates or instead of using the money to slander each other put thoes hundread of thousands of dollars to good. Like expanding solar, wind, hydroelectric plants. invest thoes dollars in the country and people that run this country, or better health care or better schooling.

***** the government and all its lackies, all over paid fat white collar hyprocrites that live of the destruction and blood of real people just trying to leave peacefully..

I say lets have everyone in some position of power be it the senate, congress, president be hooked up to a lie detector and grill them. then hold accountable for the decisions made. Ill bet 90% of the governemnt has done something in the past that they should be sent to prison for, unfortunatly power corrupts, and there are more people with more money in this world to easily corrupt all the legislatures and politians in this world.

OFF WITH THEIR HEADS, VIVA REVOLUTION.

[Steve]

...obvisiouly if America wanted to make a utopia or do something to actually help out real americans and the world as a whole they would release pattens from back in the 1900's and give free energy to everyone...

1. Nothing is free. Nothing. You'll pay for it one way or another.

2. Whatever you're smoking is obviously some extremely good stuff.

3. Entertaining rant, thanks.

:beer:

[Dave McDonald]

OFF WITH THEIR HEADS, VIVA REVOLUTION.

Oh sure... get me all riled up, and then stop typing before you tell me who to lynch!

I hate it when there's no conclusion.




:flipoff2:

[Loki]

Oh sure... get me all riled up, and then stop typing before you tell me who to lynch!

I hate it when there's no conclusion.




:flipoff2:


There's always G W ! :D

[Dave McDonald]

There's always G W ! :D

What's George Wendt have to do with this? Everyone loves Norm.

[bsaunder]

I TOTALLY agree that we need to diversify our supply of oil. It's regretable that the Democrats have fought so hard against that.

I hear time and time again about how the increase in demand from India and China have caused our problems. While I haven't had the time to research this, it's easy to see that the cost of crude oil (per barrel) has more than doubled in the past 12 months. Can anyone find statistics that show that China & India have DOUBLED their demand for oil in the past 12 months?

You also have to take into consideration that the dollar has devalued compared to most world currency quite a bit in that same time - so to the rest of the world, it probably has only gone up a bit more than it normally does leading up to summer demand, for us it seems way out of proportion.

[osirus82]

check out some of these ideas pattens and generally ideas that are hundereds of years ahead of there time. from one of the best inventors of the time, not to mention the most crapped on inventor, not much is even taught in school but almost eveything now a days is using these techniques and ideas. not to menition this guy was killed for his ideas.

http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/contents.htm

in here are pattent numbers owned by the governent and othe wealthy people. i have read about 90% of this stuff very interesting if you can wrap your brain around it.

one story is about a tower built i believe on long island funded by J.P morgan that would have allowed transmission of energies throught the earth and atmosphere for FREE to any recieveing tower, basically a method to transfer engery to parts of the world that could not produce energy themselves, and as soon a JP morgan found out that the service was gonna be free, they dismanteled the tower..

again: OFF WITH THERE HEADS, AND FTG

[Snotty]

FYI, news report today. Price of a barrel of oil dropped to the 120 range. Why? Because america's demand for gasoline dropped by 4% last month.

Cause and effect, supply and demand at its finest. Will it continue to drop? maybe, but doubtful that we will see the old prices. But we as Americans have had change forced on us and it has had an impact and economic theory 101 played out.

[osirus82]

then why was it almost 4.00 a gallon during the holiday, Price gouging during the most traveled holiday weekend, look at the profit gains over the last couple months, SICKNING, greedy bastards, i hope they choke on their Prime lobster malange..

[scottycards]

Wait a minute, I thought China and India were lined up to buy any oil we didn't buy?

I know economic theory 101 is a popular and comforting way to reconcile what is happening, but it's a vastly oversimplified way to look at an incredibly complex economic phenomenon........

Ignore my post here- no need to respond-, I'm just saying that it's a lot more complicated than simple supply and demand, as oil execs would have you believe.

There are HUGE consumers of oil products in the world, and a 4%, one month drop in US driving habits is not very likely the primary force behind a $10 drop in oil in one day.............

[OrangeCrush]

Have we come to a consensus on which conspiracy theory we will support as the reason oil dropped by 10$ a barrel?

[Gags]

With all the shady dealings that go on in business throughout our history is it so hard to believe that things are are being manipulated still?

[Steve]

There are HUGE consumers of oil products in the world, and a 4%, one month drop in US driving habits is not very likely the primary force behind a $10 drop in oil in one day.............

You're right. Oil is a commodity traded on the futures market. That entails speculation. Oil companies don't set the price, that's done by the commodities market, which is complicated and oft times doesn't seem to make sense.

:deadhorse:

[osirus82]

guess it time to buy some stock, if it dropped 10 dollars then it will definately go back up easy 10 dollar gain on the market for everyone.

[Steve]

guess it time to buy some stock, if it dropped 10 dollars then it will definately go back up easy 10 dollar gain on the market for everyone.

Unless you're willing to play on the commodities market (very risky) you can't just "buy some stock" in oil. You can buy stock in oil companies, which is a very different thing and doesn't always follow the price of a barrel of oil.

Hint: If you don't know the difference between the stock market and the commodities market, you should probably not play in either. ;)

[bsaunder]

Wait a minute, I thought China and India were lined up to buy any oil we didn't buy?

I know economic theory 101 is a popular and comforting way to reconcile what is happening, but it's a vastly oversimplified way to look at an incredibly complex economic phenomenon........

Ignore my post here- no need to respond-, I'm just saying that it's a lot more complicated than simple supply and demand, as oil execs would have you believe.

There are HUGE consumers of oil products in the world, and a 4%, one month drop in US driving habits is not very likely the primary force behind a $10 drop in oil in one day.............

I fully agree - since when has any traded commodity or stock directly followed supply and demand (or rational sense even) when looked at on the micro level? I would contend that they all follow supply and demand on the macro level, but that is on a trend over months and years, not day to day.

[bsaunder]

With all the shady dealings that go on in business throughout our history is it so hard to believe that things are are being manipulated still?

Actually, as one previous conversation pointed out, OPEC freely admits that they try to manipulate prices. The normal offset to OPEC are the "free" market suppliers (Mexico, Russia, Canada, etc). In times of high oil price, they usually crank up to max production so they get as big a cut as posible, and in effect keep prices low. However, right now they are seemingly at max production as they have not increased production at all lately. They were supplying ~60% of the oil to the US, China, and India - however as combined demand has gone up, the amount they supply has been going down. (I found several stories directly to this via a google search - currently on a text only interface so I'm not going to find then again right now..)
With this happening - the price effect of OPEC limiting production is very much driving the price of oil up which in turn drives the price of any product derived from oil up.

[Snotty]

Hey, I just quote it. I don't make it up. :D