Officer have to have PC before traffic stop

[Jeep-in-dna]

In the state of Colorado does an officer have to have some sort of probable cause like a traffic violation, or a report on a vehicle before they can pull it over and ask for liscense, and proof of insurance? Or can they just pull anyone over at will and ask for identification and insurance?

No I didn't get pulled over, it just came up in conversation.

[scottycards]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

"You failed to stay within your lane back there, son. License and registration, please"........ :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Loki]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

"You failed to stay within your lane back there, son. License and registration, please"........ :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Hold my beer while I look for them... :D

[ZappBranigan]

In the state of Colorado does an officer have to have some sort of probable cause like a traffic violation, or a report on a vehicle before they can pull it over and ask for liscense, and proof of insurance? Or can they just pull anyone over at will and ask for identification and insurance?

No I didn't get pulled over, it just came up in conversation.

DaJudge is more knowledgeable about this than me but I believe CO follows the supreme court decision (was it Terry v. Ohio?) that only requires "reasonable suspicion." Reasonable suspicion is a lower standard than Probable Cause.

[scottycards]

I just can't shake the old redneck Southern Sheriff stereotype.

They pull you over, smash out your tail light with billyclub on the way to your window, and say "Boy, <chewspit>, you've got a tail light out. Step out of the car"

[Stumpalump]

Too bad they don't pull over any body they want or set up road blocks and beat the shit out of those that are drunk, wanted or driving without insurance. Hell throw in pot heads and anybody else they feel is a dirtbag for a good old fashion cop beating. Give them the old lead filled billy clubs back and say have at it boys!

[Jeep-in-dna]

DaJudge is more knowledgeable about this than me but I believe CO follows the supreme court decision (was it Terry v. Ohio?) that only requires "reasonable suspicion." Reasonable suspicion is a lower standard than Probable Cause.

Actually, I think that just solved the debate. Thanks! For some reason I couldn't think of the case. Pretty sad when I kept thinking Terry stop.

[Xtremjeepn-Cole Ford]

Throw up a picture of your rig and I will show you all the PC the officer needs.:D

[Jeep-in-dna]

Throw up a picture of your rig and I will show you all the PC the officer needs.:D

:laughing: :flipoff2:

[teamextreme]

Too bad they don't pull over any body they want or set up road blocks and beat the shit out of those that are drunk, wanted or driving without insurance. Hell throw in pot heads and anybody else they feel is a dirtbag for a good old fashion cop beating. Give them the old lead filled billy clubs back and say have at it boys!

Hell of an idea...until you're the one at the end of the billy club cause you did something the cop didn't like, then you might not be such a fan of that form of justice.

[MonkeyBomb]

Terry stops are voluntary contacts. You must have PC for a traffic stop unless there is a reasonable suspicion of a crime has occured. IE you are driving a red dodge with a blue tailgate and one was just used to rob a store etc.

[Willy36]

If a cop wants to pull you over, he/she will find some BS reason to do so. Even if it's something like no mudflaps on an SUV makes it a hazard. They usually bank on people not caring enough to take it to court. Granted, most cops won't do this, just ones having a really bad day or with a hell of a prejudice.

[supremebeholder]

If a cop wants to pull you over, he/she will find some BS reason to do so. Even if it's something like no mudflaps on an SUV makes it a hazard. They usually bank on people not caring enough to take it to court. Granted, most cops won't do this, just ones having a really bad day or with a hell of a prejudice.

X2

Been pulled over many times and left with just a warning when everything checked out. They were all BS stops.

[Yucca-Man]

:rolleyes: :popcorn:

[Mack]

Too bad they don't pull over any body they want or set up road blocks and beat the shit out of those that are drunk, wanted or driving without insurance. Hell throw in pot heads and anybody else they feel is a dirtbag for a good old fashion cop beating. Give them the old lead filled billy clubs back and say have at it boys!

O RLY? (http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showpost.php?p=1085069&postcount=39) Same day, even?

Let me know how that beating feels, for 'hitting some punk'.

[dmeis]

If a cop wants to pull you over, he/she will find some BS reason to do so. Even if it's something like no mudflaps on an SUV makes it a hazard. They usually bank on people not caring enough to take it to court. Granted, most cops won't do this, just ones having a really bad day or with a hell of a prejudice.

From a different perspective.... If you are breaking the law, shouldn't you expect to get pulled over?

LEOs don't make the laws so don't blame them for doing their job.

I'm sure if some drunk crashed into your mother or child and killed them you would have a different opinion. You would be wishing that it could have been prevented by some "BS reason" stop.

[dmeis]

X2

Been pulled over many times and left with just a warning when everything checked out. They were all BS stops.

If you want to know why they pulled you over you have to look BEYOND the "BS stop".

[supremebeholder]

The reason behind getting pulled over is that the cops are fishing, playing the odds with a specific profile: young person in beat up car. It tapered off as I got older and stopped completely by the time I was 21 or 22. I also got a much nicer looking car at that time.

The whole point was that they?re supposed to have a valid reason for pulling you over but that they can and will find a reason to pull you over without one. I have no idea what percentage of cops do this but I?ve always been pulled over by small town police, and never the CHP.

[potter]

thread title = yes.

pc = anything they want it to be.

[scottycards]

I think it's also important to say that there does seem to be a sort of "heirarchy" with regards to this PC issue and LEO's.

In my experience, the local PD (city cops) seem to be the biggest abusers of the grey area of PC. They tend to play the "hunch" the most.

On the other end of the spectrum, the ones who seem to be the most professional, and who act primarily on "real" PC are the Colorado State Patrol. Those guys aren't out there dicking around, fishing for something. It seems they have their "eye on the ball" much more than the local cops.

The only exception to this would be the Utah Highway Patrol. IMO, those guys are out of control, and just set their own rules.

[Steve]

On the other end of the spectrum, the ones who seem to be the most professional, and who act primarily on "real" PC are the Colorado State Patrol.

Way to suck up to a mod. :P

[Mack]

The only exception to this would be the Utah Highway Patrol. IMO, those guys are out of control, and just set their own rules.

Ya know, I've heard horror stories, but one of my run-ins with UHP, was, well, I thought nothing short of a miracle was going to save me from a ticket on that one. Lo and behold, there is a Jesus. :flipoff2: That makes up for the other time in which was complete hell, and one of the worst traffic stops i've ever had.

[supremebeholder]

That's what I was getting at. It's always been some small town PD or rural sheriff that pulled me over for no valid reason.

[dmeis]

Way to suck up to a mod. :P


He does live in Weld County. ;)

Speaking of that, who drives a white cherokee with flames? and a CO4x4 sticker... near WCR 20.5 and WCR 7?

[scottycards]

He does live in Weld County. ;)

Speaking of that, who drives a white cherokee with flames? and a CO4x4 sticker... near WCR 20.5 and WCR 7?

Oh good lord- I didn't put two and two together. Whew, glad I didn't rip the CSP!

No man, no White Chero here.

But feel free to look the other way if you see a red Vette getting a little out of hand. Actually, give me the lights, I'd like to say hello! 299-PPS

This one-
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u47/scottycards/BBORR%202008/P4250142-1.jpg

My Jeep is a moving violation in and of itself, most likely- despite my best efforts to keep it legal. Even the Erie PD hasn't pulled me over in it. The Vette, well, I did have to send the Town of Erie a check a couple of months ago.........:o

[JKTODD]

Some buddies and I were pulled over by two cops in Pacific Beach (CA) once on our motorcycles. The female cop tapped my bike tire with her nightstick thing and said "Oh there's more tread on this than I thought." ---she was even smiling while she said it.

So yeah they can always come up with something.

[TONIC]

I once got pulled over and the cop just wanted to tell me "thanks for wearing a seat belt" SO STUPID!!!

[JeepWheelin02]

I once got pulled over and the cop just wanted to tell me "thanks for wearing a seat belt" SO STUPID!!!

I got pulled over in NC, wasnt doing anything wrong. Guy came up and said he pulled me over just to ask me how my dad was doing after his surgery.

[Willy36]

From a different perspective.... If you are breaking the law, shouldn't you expect to get pulled over?

LEOs don't make the laws so don't blame them for doing their job.

I'm sure if some drunk crashed into your mother or child and killed them you would have a different opinion. You would be wishing that it could have been prevented by some "BS reason" stop.

That's quite a jump to make. I'm talking about some cop that's an eco-nazi and doesn't like a Jeep lifted 8" running around, so he pulls out a BS reason. Also, some cops around here and I'm sure in other areas automatically assume that if a teen is driving, he/she is up to no good. That's BS.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would call drunk driving and reckless manslaughter a BS reason. :rolleyes:

[ZappBranigan]

Also, some cops around here and I'm sure in other areas automatically assume that if a teen is driving, he/she is up to no good. That's BS.

Well, based on my own teenage years I'd say that's a pretty reasonable assumption to make. :flipoff2:

[Willy36]

Well yeah, but not every teen is as much of problem as I am. :D