My neighbors want my dog destroyed........

[trojanman]

Any advice? Any humane society people on the board?

Over the weekend, my shpherd mix (52 lbs) was involved in an altercation with another dog. Unfortunately, the other dog was a Chihuahua.

A few facts: We a share a yard, without a fence, with the neighbors behind us. The neighbors next to them own the Chihuahua that roams the neighborhood unsupervised. The Chihuahua had entered our yard immediately preceding the incident.

My dog has been properly socialized with frequent trips to the dog park, and stints at doggy day care (in one room with 50 other dogs), plus all of our other neighbors' dogs.......

Fast forward: Because there is no fence, I occasionally keep my dog tethered in the yard (when we are not present). He was barking (that high pitch one) and jumping up and down on his tether, so I went outside to investigate. Sure enough, I noticed the Chihuahua was tormenting our dog from the fenceless yard. My dog had NEVER shown aggression towards anyone or anything (other than the occassional rabbit or squirrel) so I decided to let him off leash so he would not choke himself on the tether. I followed him over to talk the neighbor (the only other witness) and he was by my side. What I did not know, was that her side garage door was open. My dog ran through the garage door to their front cul de sac. We heard a couple of yips, yaps, and screach and next thing you know, my dog has the CHI in his mouth . I immediately order him back to me, he drops the CHI and returns without me having to restrain him.

Now the neighbors are trying to paint him as a "viscious" dog.
Any suggestions?????

I should mention that I have a 2 year old and a 5 year old that he gets along with spledidly, including the friends of my children. The other witness tried telling this to animal control, but they shot back with "That's just because they are part of the pack". That tells me that the inquisition has begun. :mad:

I am taking my dog to the Vet today (first available appointment) because he has been licking his paws. I believe he may have been bitten by the Rat, but won't know for sure until he is examined. How do you detect a bite from such small teeth?

No one was witness to the actual "fight". It happened in the blink of an eye.
The owners of the Chihuahua were INSIDE when it happened. I was no more than 20 feet away, but it happened behind a car.

I should also mention that our other adjoinng neighbors also have 2 Pugs (not exactly the biggest dogs in the world) and he gets along fabulously with them.

[JeepWheelin02]

I can't give you any advice. All I can say is I hope this works out for you. Sucks to lose a family member because of asshats like that

[trojanman]

We live next to the State park. Who lets a 4 pound dog run loose, unsupervised, with Fox, Coyote, Hawks, Falcons, and Racoons around????

The other day we went for a walk, and the Chihuahua followed and barked at ass for a couple of blocks.

One neighbor commented that she was surprised he was still alive.

My children would be devistated.
Our dog usually sleeps downstairs (or so I thought). I woke up this morning, couldn't find him, and then he came walking out of my two year old's room.

[jredmond]

Just tell your neighbors if they tethered their dog in their yard like a responcable pet owner (i.e. you) this sort of thing would not have happened in the first place.

I dont have much sympathy for people that let their dogs roam unsupervised

[Suki]

I hate when people let their ankle biters (or any dog) run wild and then freak out when they get smacked down by another dog.

Only thing I can think of is to try and document when their dog is in your yard (pictures, notes, video) and present it when you go to court.

Also, can you put up a fence? Have you talked to the owners before about their dog in your yard?

That really sucks and I wish you the best. Hopefully these jerks will see that they need to be more responsible with their pet.

[Colo.TJ]

Tell animal control that the rat dog is the instigator and is a dangerous dog. Also thell them that the rat dog should be destroyed as it's the agressor and your dog simply defended himself. Not your problem that your dog outweighs the smaller dog and was able to successfully defend himself.

Turn it back on the other dog owners. I.E. they allow their dog to roam freely w/o supervision nor a leash. It's aggressive and continully engages other animals and people "challenging" them. You feel it is unsafe for your children to play in the neighborhood as this dog roams and is aggressive and a threat.

W/o another witness besides yourself it is going to be hard to "prove" anything. Your story or theirs but at least there will be a filed complaint against the other dog as well for future incidents.

[Dave McDonald]

I'm not an expert, but I have an idea... Maybe if you could establish through a series of witnesses that the worthless chew toy had a habit of coming into your yard and tormenting your dog while he was responsibly tied up, the powers that be might rule it justifiable canineocide.

[trojanman]

W/o another witness besides yourself it is going to be hard to "prove" anything. Your story or theirs but at least there will be a filed complaint against the other dog as well for future incidents.

This was my original intention, but when I called animal control (and some friends), they recommended not filing anything because it might provoke the owners of the Chihuahua. I was trying to be respectful of the dog's injuries.

BTW, he lived. Punctured lung and some broken ribs. It's not like my dog thrashed the dog around. He just held it in his mouth.

The laws do not favor the bigger dog.

[Colo.TJ]

It sounds as though the other owners have already been provoked. Just a thought, sounds like animal control doesn't want you to file a report because it will make their job more difficult rather than out of concern for your dog.

[mrutledge]

Lawyer. Animal control is a form of law enforcement. Courts will be involved. Don't try to take it on yourself.

-Matt

[scottycards]

Be careful- from what it sounds like, you neighbor could truthfully say that your dog, untethered, went into their garage and attacked their dog.

Be very careful. And good luck. I hope this works out for ya.

[trojanman]

Be careful- from what it sounds like, you neighbor could truthfully say that your dog, untethered, went into their garage and attacked their dog.

Be very careful. And good luck. I hope this works out for ya.

No, it clearly happened in the middle of the street. The dog did not enter the garage of the Chihuahua owners, but of the neighbors behind us (I didn't know their door was opened, otehrwise I would not have released him). That is how he reached the Cul de sac where the Chihuahua was running loose (as well as the other neighbor's chow). And the owners of the Chihuahua were inside their house when it happened. They have NO idea what went down, just the end result.

[scottycards]

OK, gotcha.

Just make sure you think this thing through, and try to forsee what angle they are going to play.

Get my drift? Be prepared.

[Gags]

Well, dogs that are tied up tend to get frusterated by it and if they are being provoked by a dog that is not tied up a fight can happen.

If I had a small dog and there were other big dogs around I would NOT let it run free without supervision. They are asking for a problem by doing that. F@cking stupid. I saw a Falcon with a pigeon on the front yard the other day. They can take small dogs like that easily, maybe not fly away with them but they would surely kill it.

Are there leash laws where you live? You would be in compliance with the law and they would not be.

[trojanman]

I saw a Falcon with a pigeon on the front yard the other day. They can take small dogs like that easily, maybe not fly away with them but they would surely kill it.

Are there leash laws where you live? You would be in compliance with the law and they would not be.

Yes and No. I live in unincorporated Arapahoe (in a tract). A dog can be loose if he in your "control", but is prima facie out of control once the bite occurs. Which is ironic, since as soon as I ordered "release" he dropped the dog and came back to me. So I would say he was very much in my control. The problem is, that once he was provoked by the Chihuahua, I believe his protective instinct kicked in.

I saw a Falcon with a pigeon on the front yard the other day. They can take small dogs like that easily, maybe not fly away with them but they would surely kill it.


This picture was taken this winter in my front yard. The rabbit in the picture was bigger than the Chihuahua
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p183/glstrojan/falcon.jpg

[Steve]

Are there leash laws where you live? You would be in compliance with the law and they would not be.

No, his dog was also off leash and not in a fenced yard when it happened. Since it happened in a street both are in violation of any leash law.

Lawyer. Animal control is a form of law enforcement. Courts will be involved. Don't try to take it on yourself.

-Matt

Best advice so far. :thumbsup:

[MinesJeep]

Are there leash laws where you live? You would be in compliance with the law and they would not be.

The sheppard obviously was not on a leash at the time of the attack so he would not be in compliance no matter how often he normally is on a leash.

Edit: Steve beat me to do it

[Gags]

The sheppard obviously was not on a leash at the time of the attack so he would not be in compliance no matter how often he normally is on a leash.

Edit: Steve beat me to do it

I misread then. I thought the shepard/mix with tied.

[Sprnklrmn]

Pay for the rat dogs injuries, apologize to the owners, buy em a gift certificate to a restaurant to show you are really sorry; suck up hard. Because if you step back and look at the situation your animal went on someone else's property and attacked another. I don't know what you consider "vicious" but that seems vicious to me. It really boils down to the facts and results of the incident. I am not real familiar with the way animal control stuff works, but it seems to me you don't have much of an arguement.

It really doesn't matter if your dog is a reincarnation of all that is good and holy and spends his off days volunteering to train new recruits at the seeing eye dog school; you let him out of your control, he went on another property and injured someone else's pet.

Once everything has settled down, throw a barbeque with lots of witnesses. Use some of your hotdogs to lure the rat dog onto your property, then let Cujo go at it. Now the facts will be in your favor.

[trojanman]

Pay for the rat dogs injuries, apologize to the owners, buy em a gift certificate to a restaurant to show you are really sorry; suck up hard. Because if you step back and look at the situation your animal went on someone else's property and attacked another. I don't know what you consider "vicious" but that seems vicious to me. It really boils down to the facts and results of the incident. I am not real familiar with the way animal control stuff works, but it seems to me you don't have much of an arguement.

After it happened, I made an offer to assist with Vet bills, but I believe they decided to make this a legal matter. And this happened in the middle of the street (public), with two loose dogs, which is different than it happening in someone's yard.

I never really thought of self defense (regardless of size) to be vicious.

[Stumpalump]

Get the Vet to clearly mark on your dogs medical chart that it has bite wounds. Take your dog to a few dog parks soon an shoot some photos of him playing with small dogs. Then do nothing but wait to see if you get drug to court. Don't talk to them and fight them or animal control if they threaten you. Just wait till your time in front of a judge. Show up calm and cool and let them rant. Politly walk up to the Judge and show your med records, photos and any testimonials from neibors that may help. Tell the judge how that rat would come over just to torment your dog often and the owners stood by and did nothing. Don't sweat it. Stay cool untill you have to talk to a level headed judge and then just give him facts. You and your dog will be fine. Whats the worst they can do sue you for the price of a dog? They only put down dogs that hurt humans so don't even go there. This is just a curve ball in life so don't stress any more than getting a story to tell a judge in 3 minuts or less. It probably won't go that far.

[jdogg4]

I?m a dog lover deep down just got my second black lab puppy a few weeks back (TATER), but I have no respect for people that let little dogs run around like that. They think they are so harmless yet don?t understand what can happen to them. If only that bird got him and not the rabbit first then non of this would have happened. You spend the time and effort to train and work with your dog and make him part of your family they get a lap dog and let it do it?s own thing and this is what it?s coming down to.
Unincorporated areas tend to be more lenient on issues like this.
Like stated before have him checked by a vet for small puncture bites of any kind. Have or see if your vet and or more than one or two will do a behavior check on them. Like how they are with other anmils and stuff have them do paper work. I like the dog park Idea as well with video and picks showing him playing with other dogs. Document document document. If he did obedient training with a trainer you might have a certificate or call them and see if they would do a quick letter about completing the training course. Also go around to the neighbors and ask if they would give a statement about that other dog being loose and running around all the time. This is going to show that you took the time to work with your dog and that this isn?t a trend with him, and that they never took the time to work with there dog and that they just let him run around. It?s going to come down to documenting everything. You show up with more proof and backing on your dogs behalf then them and you?re giving him a better fighting chance.

[Gags]

With a bobcat and doberman in HR we have to be VERY careful.

[Loki]

Should have just hid the little rat, knocked on their door and told them a Hawk just snatched it up and flew off with it.

I know not much help now, but it was a thought. Good luck, hope you get to keep your pal. :beer:

[longboy]

A dog can be loose if he in your "control", but is prima facie out of control once the bite occurs. Which is ironic, since as soon as I ordered "release" he dropped the dog and came back to me. So I would say he was very much in my control. The problem is, that once he was provoked by the Chihuahua, I believe his protective instinct kicked in.

I'm not quite sure I'm following this dog "under control" thing. Your dog was not on a leash (neither was the Chihuaha), but evidently wound up with a dog in its mouth?

That doesn't exactly sound like a dog who is under verbal control of its owner (on both accounts). Dropping a dog from its mouth doesn't really prove squat after the incident IMO.

[CherryokeeXJ]

First off sorry to hear this. Everyone on this planet is so quick to scream "law suit".

On another note, I realize your pup has had a lot of exposure to other dogs, but considering he was showing aggression while tethered because the other dog was "teasing" him, was it your best call in judgement to release him? I fully agree that the other dog's owners were in the wrong by granting their dog free roaming, but IMO you both were in violation of leash laws. You should BOTH be ticketed, and then you should probably pay for damages since their dog was in your dog's mouth. Sucks, but I think that's the fair alternative to your dog being destroyed. He saw a rat, and tried to eat it. Typical response. :shrug:

I hope this works out for you and your family. No offense intended, just giving an honest outsider's point of view.

[ZappBranigan]

Your dog was (a) off a leash, (b) not under your control and (c) attacked and seriously injured a smaller dog.

Those are the facts, right?

Now let's look at the law:

(note: You can find the law yourself by going here (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=templates&fn=main-h.htm&cp=) and clicking on Colorado Revised Statutes. There is a search window and you can search for "dangerous dog" to go to the relevant statutes.)

18-9-204.5. Unlawful ownership of dangerous dog.

...

(2) As used in this section, unless the context otherwise requires:

(a) "Bodily injury" means any physical injury that results in severe bruising, muscle tears, or skin lacerations requiring professional medical treatment or any physical injury that requires corrective or cosmetic surgery.

(a.5) "Bureau" means the bureau of animal protection in the department of agriculture, division of animal industry, created pursuant to section 35-42-105, C.R.S.

(b) "Dangerous dog" means any dog that:

(I) Inflicts bodily or serious bodily injury upon or causes the death of a person or domestic animal; or

(II) Demonstrates tendencies that would cause a reasonable person to believe that the dog may inflict bodily or serious bodily injury upon or cause the death of any person or domestic animal; or

(III) Engages in or is trained for animal fighting as described and prohibited in section 18-9-204.

...

(d) "Domestic animal" means any dog, cat, any animal kept as a household pet, or livestock.

...

(3) (a) A person commits ownership of a dangerous dog if such person owns, possesses, harbors, keeps, has a financial or property interest in, or has custody or control over a dangerous dog.

...

(e) (I) Any owner who violates paragraph (a) of this subsection (3) whose dog injures or causes the death of any domestic animal commits a class 3 misdemeanor.

...

(B) Restitution shall be equal to the greater of the fair market value or the replacement cost of the domestic animal on the date, but before the time, the animal was injured or destroyed plus any reasonable and necessary medical expenses incurred in treating the animal and any actual costs incurred in replacing the injured or destroyed animal.

...

(e.5) The court shall order any owner of a dangerous dog who has been convicted of a violation of this section to:

(I) Confine the dangerous dog in a building or enclosure designed to be escape-proof and, whenever the dog is outside of the building or enclosure, keep the dog under the owner's control by use of a leash. The owner shall post a conspicuous warning sign on the building or enclosure notifying others that a dangerous dog is housed in the building or enclosure. In addition, if the conviction is for a second or subsequent offense, the dangerous dog shall also be muzzled whenever it is outside of the building or enclosure.

(II) Immediately report to the bureau in writing any material change in the dangerous dog's situation, including but not limited to a change, transfer, or termination of ownership, change of address, escape, or death;

(III) At the owner's expense, permanently identify the dangerous dog through the implantation of a microchip by a licensed veterinarian or a licensed shelter. A veterinarian or licensed shelter that implants a microchip in a dangerous dog shall report the microchipping information to the bureau within ten days after implantation of the microchip, pursuant to section 35-42-115 (2), C.R.S.

(IV) Prior to the implantation of the microchip, pay a nonrefundable dangerous dog microchip license fee of fifty dollars to the bureau;

(V) Prior to the dangerous dog receiving any service or treatment, disclose in writing to any provider of the service or treatment, including but not limited to a veterinary health care worker, dog groomer, humane agency staff person, pet animal care facility staff person, professional dog handler, or dog trainer, each acting in the performance of his or her respective duties, that the dangerous dog has been the subject of a conviction of a violation of this section;

(VI) Prior to a change, transfer, or termination of ownership of a dangerous dog, disclose in writing to the prospective owner that the dangerous dog has been the subject of a conviction of a violation of this section.

(f) In addition to any other penalty set forth in this subsection (3), upon an owner's entry of a guilty plea or the return of a verdict of guilty by a judge or jury or a deferred judgment or deferred prosecution for a violation that results in bodily injury, serious bodily injury, or death to a person, the court, pursuant to applicable provisions of title 16, C.R.S., governing restitution, shall order the defendant to make restitution in accordance with said provisions.

Now, just from looking at what you wrote, it does seem like your dog could be considered a "dangerous dog" under Colorado law.

But you said your neighbors want your dog destroyed? Not so fast:



(g) (I) In addition to the penalties set forth in paragraphs (b) to (e) of this subsection (3), upon an owner's entry of a guilty plea or the return of a verdict of guilty by a judge or jury or a deferred judgment or deferred prosecution for a violation that results in serious bodily injury to a person or death to a person or domestic animal or for a second or subsequent violation of paragraph (b) or (e) of this subsection (3) resulting in a conviction or a deferred judgment or a deferred prosecution involving the same dog of the same owner, the court shall order that the dangerous dog be immediately confiscated and placed in a public animal shelter and shall order that, upon exhaustion of any right an owner has to appeal a conviction based on a violation of this subsection (3), the owner's dangerous dog be destroyed by euthanasia administered by a licensed veterinarian.


So unless this is a 2nd violation of the "dangerous dog" statute, I don't think they can have the dog destroyed.

Something else to consider:


(h) (I) An affirmative defense to the violation of this subsection (3) shall be:

...

(B) That, at the time of the attack by the dangerous dog which causes injury to or the death of a domestic animal, said animal was biting or otherwise attacking the dangerous dog or its owner;



So if the other dog "initiated" the attack you could plead that as an affirmative defense.



(4) Upon taking an owner into custody for an alleged violation of this section or the issuing of a summons and complaint to the owner, pursuant to the Colorado rules of criminal procedure and part 1 of article 4 of title 16, C.R.S., the owner's dangerous dog may be taken into custody and placed in a public animal shelter, at the owner's expense, pending final disposition of the charge against the owner. In addition, in the event the court, pursuant to the Colorado rules of criminal procedure and part 1 of article 4 of title 16, C.R.S., sets bail for an owner's release from custody pending final disposition, the court may require, as a condition of bond, that the owner's dangerous dog be placed by an impound agency, as defined in section 18-9-202.5 (2), at the owner's expense in a location selected by the impound agency including a public animal shelter, licensed boarding facility, or veterinarian's clinic, pending final disposition of the alleged violation of this section. The owner shall be liable for the total cost of board and care for a dog placed pursuant to this subsection (4).



Doesn't sound like this happened. Have you been cited or even approached by animal control over this incident?

I'd say the talk of getting a lawyer is premature at this point. Your neighbors may just be grumbling and bitching. Now, if you get cited or your dog gets taken pursuant to the above statute, then you need to roll up your sleeves and get ready to fight it out.

Oh, and in the meantime, keep your dog leashed up, fenced up, or inside. ;)

[schebs05tj]

That's a lot of legal talk. My dog got off of his leash, ran over to my neighbors driveway and bit my neighbors dog. my neighbor took his dog to the vet for the bite injuy which I paid for then he called animal control. they told him that they were not concened about dog on dog attacks. Animal control said it happens. If it was dog on person then thats a problem but dog on dog, and I quote, "there dogs. Dogs bit other dogs it happens"

[TwoDogs]

I'm bummed for your situation. Your neighbor (termed loosely) obviously does not realize what having his next door neighbor's dog destroyed, will do to HIS life. I would not want to live next door to you after, being responsible for having your dog euthanized.

Like others have said. "Lawyer up."

[springsman]

wow...here in the springs on my side of town (west side by bear creek park) there are humane society signs posted up saying if you see a dog even with its owner off a leash you are to call animal control and they come over to ticket....there are 4 such signs in about a 2 mile radius of my house....

[RebelRescuer]

Interesting thread.

As an owner of "rats" I get pretty tired of big dog people letting their dogs off leash in areas that require leashes. My dogs could not hold their own against a rottie for example, even if he were only playing. I back up to a lovely greenbelt with a sidewalk through it, but cannot walk my dogs there because of the off-leash people. My AC buddies even sit in there and ticket people, but they just do it over and over. Pisses me off. I paid a lot of money for this house because of the greenbelt, but thanks to these people, I can't take my dogs there. Where are my rights?

It would be nice if these people would settle for you covering their vet bills and just move on.

I think the moral of the story is that NO dog should be offleash in a suburban/urban environment.

[DaJudge]

Get the Vet to clearly mark on your dogs medical chart that it has bite wounds. Take your dog to a few dog parks soon an shoot some photos of him playing with small dogs. Then do nothing but wait to see if you get drug to court. Don't talk to them and fight them or animal control if they threaten you. Just wait till your time in front of a judge. Show up calm and cool and let them rant. Politly walk up to the Judge and show your med records, photos and any testimonials from neibors that may help. Tell the judge how that rat would come over just to torment your dog often and the owners stood by and did nothing. Don't sweat it. Stay cool untill you have to talk to a level headed judge and then just give him facts. You and your dog will be fine. Whats the worst they can do sue you for the price of a dog? They only put down dogs that hurt humans so don't even go there. This is just a curve ball in life so don't stress any more than getting a story to tell a judge in 3 minuts or less. It probably won't go that far.
Lawyer. Animal control is a form of law enforcement. Courts will be involved. Don't try to take it on yourself.

-Matt
I can't comment on this situation except to say that if it were my dog I would be going with suggestion #2 above.

[jeepn4evr]

Sorry to hear this. Personally dogs like that bug the crap outta me. Been in alot of customers home where the little rats bark & nip at you & don't leave you alone & owner doesn't do anything about it. Cousin was at top of stairs when one of them went at his ankle, he moved his foot a little & catapulted the dog down the stairs. This ws a medium small dog, not a little one. Dog was fine & after leaving him alone for a bit started barking at him more. Fortunatly customer didn't see.

At any rate x whatever on documentation. If possible take video of your dog obeying your verbal commmands, most noticeably ones like sit, stay, release etc. If dog is good enough at it entice him with something he really really wants but stays in place till you let him have it. They might not let you use it but good thing to have if they do. Between now & then if they let the rat out & it runs around everywhere take pics of that too.

[DaJudge]

That's a lot of legal talk.
Yes it is. And the OP has a potential legal problem. He may get charged with a crime and he may get sued. What happened to you in a different jurisdiction at a different time has nothing to do with what may happen to him.

[scottycards]

So, follow the law, leash your dog, and no problems?

Shocker.

[REDLYNER]

Why don't you put a fence up in your yard?

It sounds like that would take care of this happening in the future. Then you can be 100% accountable for your dog and its actions, instead of relying on whether or not your neighbor is keeping his door closed.

[trojanman]

That's a lot of legal talk. My dog got off of his leash, ran over to my neighbors driveway and bit my neighbors dog. my neighbor took his dog to the vet for the bite injuy which I paid for then he called animal control. they told him that they were not concened about dog on dog attacks. Animal control said it happens. If it was dog on person then thats a problem but dog on dog, and I quote, "there dogs. Dogs bit other dogs it happens"

That's what they told me when I called them. I had consider being preemptive, but animal control said that it my be to provoking to the neighbors. However, I am headed down there after lunch to file a report: Not retalitory, but realistic.

[trojanman]

Interesting thread.

As an owner of "rats" I get pretty tired of big dog people letting their dogs off leash in areas that require leashes. My dogs could not hold their own against a rottie for example, even if he were only playing. I back up to a lovely greenbelt with a sidewalk through it, but cannot walk my dogs there because of the off-leash people. My AC buddies even sit in there and ticket people, but they just do it over and over.

I think the moral of the story is that NO dog should be offleash in a suburban/urban environment.


But I am sure that you care enough about your pets to not let them have free regin of the neighborhood unleashed and unsupervised because of their size. These people were INSIDE WHEN IT HAPPENED. I don't let my kids play in the front yard unless I am with them. If I owned a 4 pound dog, I would be concerned about his fragility in the "real" world.

Unincorporated Arapahoe does not require leashes. They just require that you stay within 20 feet of your dog, and your dog respond to your commands. Unfortunately, when my dog was provoked, he defended himself against a smaller animal.

[Stumpalump]

A lawer sugest you have some quilt. I think a judge likes a man to stand up for himself and would never advise a freaking lawer for anything this small. Fck lawers. A judge is just a man like you and highly apreciates a man who walks up,states his case and leaves emotion,retoric and hate out of it. Best chance in my opinion is to never use a lawyer in less you are way over your head. I hit a minor punk thief and knocked his tooth loose and defended myself just fine. 25 fine 25 court cost. Of course his lawer ranted and shut me up plenty but in the end you will allways be given a chance to say your peace. Just make sure all the other crap and delays don't get under your skin before your chance to speak. Keep your mouth shut untill the judge asks to hear it. Then lay it down as planned. I've gotten into more trouble and in more courts in my younger years than imaginable and shutting up and laying it all out concisely when asked is the way to walk. All a lawer will do is take your money and find the esiest solution for him. That may be some guilt on your part. Fcking bastards.

[longboy]

Unincorporated Arapahoe does not require leashes. They just require that you stay within 20 feet of your dog, and your dog respond to your commands. Unfortunately, when my dog was provoked, he defended himself against a smaller animal.

So, I assume you told your dog to stop before the fight even started? If your dog was under your control (responds to your commands) this wouldn't have happened, would it?

This also applies to the owner of the Chihuahua, as it was obviously not under the control of its owner.

[DaJudge]

A lawer sugest you have some quilt. I think a judge likes a man to stand up for himself and would never advise a freaking lawer for anything this small. Fck lawers. A judge is just a man like you and highly apreciates a man who walks up,states his case and leaves emotion,retoric and hate out of it. Best chance in my opinion is to never use a lawyer in less you are way over your head. I hit a minor punk thief and knocked his tooth loose and defended myself just fine. 25 fine 25 court cost. Of course his lawer ranted and shut me up plenty but in the end you will allways be given a chance to say your peace. Just make sure all the other crap and delays don't get under your skin before your chance to speak. Keep your mouth shut untill the judge asks to hear it. Then lay it down as planned. I've gotten into more trouble and in more courts in my younger years than imaginable and shutting up and laying it all out concisely when asked is the way to walk. All a lawer will do is take your money and find the esiest solution for him. That may be some guilt on your part. Fcking bastards.
LOL! Tell me what you REALLY think!

I especially like the "a judge is just a man like you.." part. So true!

[Swat]

A leash would have prevented this or you should have been right there with your dog. They wander and look for shit to get into.

I can empathize with the fact that you could be out some cash and at worst your pet. However you were irresponsible with your dog and I have no sympathy for that. I stepped between and prevented a viscious attack on my son when he was but four years old! Same story from the owner, the dog was socialized and never acted like that blah blah blah. It was a nice looking Black Lab that went balistic on my son. I was attacked by a Boxer when I was 8. There is something still a little wild in all domestic breeds, realize that and be responsible with your animal.

Good luck with the hassles now.

[Sound_Man]

Maybe I missed it but did the rat dog just get chomped on and its feelings hurt or did the rat dog require medical attention or did the big bad mean dog kill said rat dog?

[JeepWheelin02]

A lawer sugest you have some quilt. I think a judge likes a man to stand up for himself and would never advise a freaking lawer for anything this small. Fck lawers. A judge is just a man like you and highly apreciates a man who walks up,states his case and leaves emotion,retoric and hate out of it. Best chance in my opinion is to never use a lawyer in less you are way over your head. I hit a minor punk thief and knocked his tooth loose and defended myself just fine. 25 fine 25 court cost. Of course his lawer ranted and shut me up plenty but in the end you will allways be given a chance to say your peace. Just make sure all the other crap and delays don't get under your skin before your chance to speak. Keep your mouth shut untill the judge asks to hear it. Then lay it down as planned. I've gotten into more trouble and in more courts in my younger years than imaginable and shutting up and laying it all out concisely when asked is the way to walk. All a lawer will do is take your money and find the esiest solution for him. That may be some guilt on your part. Fcking bastards.


Thats why an actual judge posted in this thread saying the best advice he saw so far was to get a lawyer right?

:shrug:

[Steve]

LOL! Tell me what you REALLY think!

I especially like the "a judge is just a man like you.." part. So true!

:lmao:

I guess he didn't notice or believe your username. Personally, I'll take the legal advice of an active judge before taking legal advice from someone who admittedly has "gotten into more trouble and in more courts in my younger years than imaginable..." No brainer decision there.

[scottycards]

This is almost as good as the old Pit Bull threads.

Where'd Waifer go, anyways?

[RebelRescuer]

So the people have already called AC right? And AC didn't do anything?

Does that then make it strictly a civil matter in which they can't ask for euthanasia? Have they actually said anything about putting your dog down?

I guess I'm really confused because while I can understand a civil suit, I can't understand how "destroying your dog" came into the picture.

[Steve]

This is almost as good as the old Pit Bull threads.

Better IMO. Quite entertaining so far. :spit:

[scottycards]

Note to self: continue to own only cats.

[JKTODD]

Where is Waifer? I haven't seen a post from him in a long, long time.:shrug:

[Swat]

:rolleyes: Neither of the damn dogs should have been running loose! Put the owners down! :stirpot:

[trojanman]

However you were irresponsible with your dog and I have no sympathy for that.

Actually, he was in our (shared) yard. I did not know that the neighbor's side door was open to their garage, or that their front garage door was open to the front yard. Both our dog, and the other neighbor's CHOW share the yard in back (probably .5 of an acre between the two). I keep him on the tether so that there is no chance of escape, or for him to roam the neighborhood like the Chihuahua does. When I took him off of the tether, he was still in our fenced yard, and so was the Chihuahua.

Our other neighbor behind us even used to put her two pugs over the fence to play with our dog.

[trojanman]

I guess I'm really confused because while I can understand a civil suit, I can't understand how "destroying your dog" came into the picture.

A comment was made by one of the other neighbors...........

[JeepWheelin02]

Note to self: continue to own only cats.

http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=122605&highlight=pill+cat

[Speedwagon]

Actually, he was in our (shared) yard. I did not know that the neighbor's side door was open to their garage, or that their front garage door was open to the front yard. Both our dog, and the other neighbor's CHOW share the yard in back. I keep him on the tether so that there is no chance of escape, or for him to roam the neighborhood like the Chihuahua does. When I took him off of the tether, he was still in our fenced yard, and so was the Chihuahua.

Our other neighbor behind us even used to put her two pugs over the fence to play with our dog.

So the Chi was INSIDE your fence at first? If I have this straight... you took your dog off tether to see what he was going nuts about, walking towards your back neighbor's house while inside the fence? Your dog took off after the Chi, and they both ran through the garage and out into the street? Do I have the correct?

[longboy]

Quote from the OP:
"A few facts: We a share a yard, without a fence, with the neighbors behind us."

[Steve]

Maybe I missed something in my reading of this thread, but...

Here's what you're missing, or at least what many posters are saying in different ways: Both dogs were out of their yards (in a street) when the attack happened. It doesn't matter that one is usually in a yard and one isn't. When the attack happened, both were out. It really doesn't matter how either one got out. Both were out and one attacked the other. Those are the facts. :shrug:

[Speedwagon]

Quote from the OP:
"A few facts: We a share a yard, without a fence, with the neighbors behind us."

No, he means that there is no fence seperating him from his back neighbor, but there is a fence surrounding the 2 yards, from house to house.

[longboy]

:headbang:

[Steve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :laughing:

[RebelRescuer]

So no ticket, no criminal charges? That would of course only leave a civil suit. I cannot imagine that your dog would be detroyed based on a civil suit. I'm no expert though.

[Suki]

:headbang:

x2 lol

[trojanman]

No, he means that there is no fence seperating him from his back neighbor, but there is a fence surrounding the 2 yards, from house to house.

YES, but I will putting up a 6 foot privacy fence this weekend. When I first moved in I had considered this, but all of the neighbors did not like the idea because there has never been a fence there in 30 years. Instead I went with the tether approach and only let the dog off the tehter when we are present. I am sure the neighbors behind us will be pissed, because the shared space is really nice, but I do care about my dog and those around me.

[Speedwagon]

YES, but I will putting up a 6 foot privacy fence this weekend. When I first moved in I had considered this, but all of the neighbors did not like the idea because there has never been a fence there in 30 years. Instead I went with the tether approach and only let the dog off the tehter when we are present. I am sure the neighbors behind us will be pissed, because the shared space is really nice, but I do care about my dog and those around me.

They should have thought of that before leaving their doors open, KNOWING they share a yard with another dog. And since I am kind of bored at work right now, does this fancy paint picture sum things up?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c391/Speedwagon98/TMdog.jpg

[longboy]

Just FYI, tethering a dog is considered inhumane by the Humane Society. Doubtful that the history of tethering your dog is gonna help you in this case.

Not trying to be an ass to ya, I feel for your situation. I know I'd be real pissed off if my dog was in this situation. Best of luck-

[RebelRescuer]

Just FYI, tethering a dog is considered inhumane by the Humane Society. Doubtful that the history of tethering your dog is gonna help you in this case.

Not trying to be an ass to ya, I feel for your situation. I know I'd be real pissed off if my dog was in this situation. Best of luck-

Good point. And its illegal unless shelter and water are provided at all times.

Good fences make good neighbors. I wouldn't even share a yard with my own mother. lol

[trojanman]

It's a 30 foot tether and there are no obstacles in its way (except grass). We are using it to train him to the radius of the electic fence. It also has a much larger radius than most dog runs, and he is not on it 24/7. And yes, shelter is the covered patio (also where we keep the food and water). If I thought he was suffering on it, he would not be on it. I love my dog.

__________

That diagram is close, but there is no fence between the house behind us right now. We also have backing culdesacs so the lines are not so square :)

[Speedwagon]

That diagram is close, but there is no fence between the house behind us right now. We also have backing culdesacs so the lines are not so square :)

I guess I should have made dotted lines there instead. I was simply pointing at the fence with those. I edited it. :)

[trojanman]

The mailman just stopped by. He knows the Chihuahua and says that it has shown its teeth to him on more than one occasion.

[Speedwagon]

The mailman just stopped by. He knows the Chihuahua and says that it has shown its teeth to him on more than one occasion.

I'd ask him if he would be willing to testify or write a statement to that effect, incase you end up in court.

[scottycards]

BE AFRAID. BE VERY AFRAID.......

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u47/scottycards/Chihuahua.jpg

[trojanman]

I'd ask him if he would be willing to testify or write a statement to that effect, incase you end up in court.

He didn't feel comfortable doing so b/c he delivers their mail too, but I am sure if he were under oath he would.


OK- I am out of this thread for a little while (I do work sometimes). Thank you to everyone for their input and criticisms. This has certainly been a good tool for me to collect my thoughts. I have been a bit distraught over this for the last couple of days and the venting is good.

I will check in later when i get a chance.............

[jeepinwelch]

Little dogs tend to have their own version of short man's syndrom. More attitude to make up for less stature.

[Steve]

The mailman just stopped by. He knows the Chihuahua and says that it has shown its teeth to him on more than one occasion.

I'd ask him if he would be willing to testify or write a statement to that effect, incase you end up in court.

Pardon my ignorance, but WTF does that have to do with anything? The facts are pretty simple: two dogs were out of their yards and one attacked the other, inflicting some moderately serious injuries. Period. End of facts. Doesn't matter that one may have been out all the time and one got out because someone left two doors open. You can try to justify what happened all you want, but the facts are what they are. Two dog owners allowed their dogs out of their yards and control and one attacked the other - end of story.

:headbang:

Edit: Go read this post (http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showpost.php?p=1084939&postcount=27) again; it compares the facts to CO law which is, in the end, all that matters.

[Loki]

BE AFRAID. BE VERY AFRAID.......

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u47/scottycards/Chihuahua.jpg

I'd bite that dog too. :evil:

[ZappBranigan]

BE AFRAID. BE VERY AFRAID.......

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u47/scottycards/Chihuahua.jpg

Damn, that little guy really wants him some Taco Bell! :eek:

[scottycards]

It's the Marty Feldman of Chihuahuas.

[Speedwagon]

Pardon my ignorance, but WTF does that have to do with anything? The facts are pretty simple: two dogs were out of their yards and one attacked the other, inflicting some moderately serious injuries. Period. End of facts. Doesn't matter that one may have been out all the time and one got out because someone left two doors open. You can try to justify what happened all you want, but the facts are what they are. Two dog owners allowed their dogs out of their yards and control and one attacked the other - end of story.

:headbang:

Edit: Go read this post (http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showpost.php?p=1084939&postcount=27) again; it compares the facts to CO law which is, in the end, all that matters.

It matters if the Chi owners are trying to paint Trojanman's dog as a viscious dog, and theirs as an innocent bystander. Yes, they were both out off leash, and nothing will change that. But perception is a large part of anyone's decision. If the only thing that is considered, is the fact that they were both out on the street, off leash, then BOTH owners and dogs are at fault. If it somehow get's turned into a judgement against JUST trojanman's dog, then that wouldn't really be fair and accurate to what happened.

Since when are nothing but facts considered by everyone? There are alot of people that ignore facts altogether. This is simply a way for him to be prepared for anything.

[ZappBranigan]

No one's been arrested.

No one's been cited.

No one's been sued.

Until one of those things happens, anything we argue about here is mere speculation.

[Loki]

No one's been arrested.

No one's been cited.

No one's been sued.

Until one of those things happens, anything we argue about here is mere speculation.

But the arguing gets us thru our day. :thumbsup:

:D

[DaJudge]

No one's been arrested.

No one's been cited.

No one's been sued.

Until one of those things happens, anything we argue about here is mere speculation.
Damn. There you go again with the logic and common sense thing. :flipoff2:

[Gags]

A couple beers and a check...

[mrutledge]

But the arguing gets us thru our day. :thumbsup:

:D

Does not!

[Budman]

Lawyer. Animal control is a form of law enforcement. Courts will be involved. Don't try to take it on yourself.

-Matt

Good advice.

A lawer sugest you have some quilt. I think a judge likes a man to stand up for himself and would never advise a freaking lawer for anything this small. Fck lawers. A judge is just a man like you and highly apreciates a man who walks up,states his case and leaves emotion,retoric and hate out of it. Best chance in my opinion is to never use a lawyer in less you are way over your head. I hit a minor punk thief and knocked his tooth loose and defended myself just fine. 25 fine 25 court cost. Of course his lawer ranted and shut me up plenty but in the end you will allways be given a chance to say your peace. Just make sure all the other crap and delays don't get under your skin before your chance to speak. Keep your mouth shut untill the judge asks to hear it. Then lay it down as planned. I've gotten into more trouble and in more courts in my younger years than imaginable and shutting up and laying it all out concisely when asked is the way to walk. All a lawer will do is take your money and find the esiest solution for him. That may be some guilt on your part. Fcking bastards.

While this is a really great SOUNDING post, I would say it is the WORST advice given so far. Lawyers get paid to be experts in thier field. They are paid to advise you. Get a lawyer that specializes in this sort of thing.

I had a similar incident with my dobby in AK. My problem was that we were being bullied by two other dogs and thier owner. the other dogs were off leash, and when it started getting dangerous, I let Chopper off his leash, and he expediently took care of the problem. Problem was that it was an automatic two counts. It was a HUGE mess. I hired a good lawyer who had experience with this sort of thing, We hired a professional dog trainer (with experience with police dogs) We went to court, the K9 professional testified, We both tesitfied (the other owner and I) He had some friends testify that his dogs would not hurt a fly etc etc etc. In the end, My dog was NOT ruled as a dangerous dog, he was not put down, and I was not sued. It was not cheap or easy, but the lawyer and trainer were worth EVERY SINGLE PENNY. Of course as Judge says this was in a different state, and has little to no bearing on your problem.

Moral of the story is get a lawyer and start planning now. If nothing comes of it good. If not you are prepared.

[Gags]

Good advice.



While this is a really great SOUNDING post, I would say it is the WORST advice given so far. Lawyers get paid to be experts in thier field. They are paid to advise you. Get a lawyer that specializes in this sort of thing.

I had a similar incident with my dobby in AK. My problem was that we were being bullied by two other dogs and thier owner. the other dogs were off leash, and when it started getting dangerous, I let Chopper off his leash, and he expediently took care of the problem. Problem was that it was an automatic two counts. It was a HUGE mess. I hired a good lawyer who had experience with this sort of thing, We hired a professional dog trainer (with experience with police dogs) We went to court, the K9 professional testified, We both tesitfied (the other owner and I) He had some friends testify that his dogs would not hurt a fly etc etc etc. In the end, My dog was NOT ruled as a dangerous dog, he was not put down, and I was not sued. It was not cheap or easy, but the lawyer and trainer were worth EVERY SINGLE PENNY. Of course as Judge says this was in a different state, and has little to no bearing on your problem.

Moral of the story is get a lawyer and start planning now. If nothing comes of it good. If not you are prepared.

I gave poor advice, however, the dog trainer and K9 professional is a great idea. I bet they had a big impact.

I do have to say, many people will say things like "this was a gentle dog that wouldn't hurt a fly." The truth is, you never really know that for sure. What happens between dogs and everything they are exposed to can be different and unexpected. Many who say "wouldn't hurt a fly" are not probably not sufficiently educated in animal behavior. I'd say my dog is nice and gentle but in the right cirmcumstance has the potential of not being nice or gentle, now I haven't seen that yet but I know it's there.

I love dobies.

[Budman]

Where is Waifer? I haven't seen a post from him in a long, long time.:shrug:

Pretty sure he met a nice lady, and bet she is taking up his time.

Just FYI, tethering a dog is considered inhumane by the Humane Society. Doubtful that the history of tethering your dog is gonna help you in this case.

Not trying to be an ass to ya, I feel for your situation. I know I'd be real pissed off if my dog was in this situation. Best of luck-

I would love to see this in writing. I am sure it is true, but I would love to see it.

I gave poor advice, however, the dog trainer and K9 professional is a great idea. I bet they had a big impact.

I do have to say, many people will say things like "this was a gentle dog that wouldn't hurt a fly." The truth is, you never really know that for sure. What happens between dogs and everything they are exposed to can be different and unexpected. Many who say "wouldn't hurt a fly" are not probably not sufficiently educated in animal behavior. I'd say my dog is nice and gentle but in the right cirmcumstance has the potential of not being nice or gentle, now I haven't seen that yet but I know it's there.

I love dobies.

I was never trying to make a statement that my dog was harmless. I knew full well that he was a killer. The difference is that he was a trained killer. He only did as instructed to do at all times. I let him off the leash and let him defend us. The guy was trying to say that he was a wild and crazy killer, showing that he would engage and disengage a threat on command etc was all the judge needed to see. I never would have gotten here without a lawyer.

I love dobbys too. Sure do wish I still had a couple.

[Gags]

Pretty sure he met a nice lady, and bet she is taking up his time.



I would love to see this in writing. I am sure it is true, but I would love to see it.



I was never trying to make a statement that my dog was harmless. I knew full well that he was a killer. The difference is that he was a trained killer. He only did as instructed to do at all times. I let him off the leash and let him defend us. The guy was trying to say that he was a wild and crazy killer, showing that he would engage and disengage a threat on command etc was all the judge needed to see. I never would have gotten here without a lawyer.

I love dobbys too. Sure do wish I still had a couple.


Don't get me wrong. I was speaking of other people I've met and have seen.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe that in order to breed champion dobies in Germany they are required to be trained in bite-work. I'd kinda like to have a dog like the one you had.

[birddog59]

For Budman

www.dogsdeservebetter.com/WhyReasonableAntiTetheringLegWorks.pdf

Do not know the exact status of this legislation, but the field trialers in SC that keep their dogs on chaingangs at events are pitching a fit!

To the OP good luck but you are going to need a lawyer.

[meatblanket]

A lawer sugest you have some quilt. I think a judge likes a man to stand up for himself and would never advise a freaking lawer for anything this small. Fck lawers. A judge is just a man like you and highly apreciates a man who walks up,states his case and leaves emotion,retoric and hate out of it. Best chance in my opinion is to never use a lawyer in less you are way over your head. I hit a minor punk thief and knocked his tooth loose and defended myself just fine. 25 fine 25 court cost. Of course his lawer ranted and shut me up plenty but in the end you will allways be given a chance to say your peace. Just make sure all the other crap and delays don't get under your skin before your chance to speak. Keep your mouth shut untill the judge asks to hear it. Then lay it down as planned. I've gotten into more trouble and in more courts in my younger years than imaginable and shutting up and laying it all out concisely when asked is the way to walk. All a lawer will do is take your money and find the esiest solution for him. That may be some guilt on your part. Fcking bastards.

Right on, buddy!:flipoff2: :beer:

[Budman]

Don't get me wrong. I was speaking of other people I've met and have seen.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe that in order to breed champion dobies in Germany they are required to be trained in bite-work. I'd kinda like to have a dog like the one you had.

You are correct, the german police dog programs, and breeding programs for that matter are very serious. Owning a dog like Chopper was a real joy, but very tough at times. IN today's times, I would probably have a hard time getting homeowners insurance (I am sure you can relate).

For Budman

www.dogsdeservebetter.com/WhyReasonableAntiTetheringLegWorks.pdf

Do not know the exact status of this legislation, but the field trialers in SC that keep their dogs on chaingangs at events are pitching a fit!

To the OP good luck but you are going to need a lawyer.

Good reading there. I have mixed emotions here, but I don't want to hijack this thread any more than I already have.

[Yucca-Man]

Whatever you decide to do, it wouldn't hurt to start documenting things - right now. Make sure your digital (or film!) camera has the date/time showing in the field of view, and take some pics of the area. Take pics of the Chihuahua roaming out and about.

Write a letter to the neighbors and offer to pay the vet bills, but also point out tactfully that their dog wanders the area, unrestrained, on a regular basis. There's a fine line involved to prevent that sounding like an attack, but make the point and the offer. Keep a copy for your own records, and document any reply.

We had a frakkin' Pit that lived next to us in Fort Collins, so Bett and I sat down and tried to play nice. When it became apparent that the dog wanted nothing more than to eat anyone in my backyard and was trying to break through the fence, we started taking pics. We ended up going to court after calling the cops out at 3am - the dog charged the fence and nearly cleared it when the officer came up to check. With his testimony and the pics, the judge realized that the neighbors were full of crap about how 'nice' their dog was.

Pics will prove beyond the shadow of a doubt whether their dog wanders or not. Pics (or video) of your well-trained dog in action can't hurt either.

[89minitruck]

Buy a falcon and have it eat the ratdog... Taco Bell sux.

[DaJudge]

You are correct, the german police dog programs, and breeding programs for that matter are very serious. Owning a dog like Chopper was a real joy, but very tough at times. IN today's times, I would probably have a hard time getting homeowners insurance (I am sure you can relate).

Budman, thanks for the reminder.

Trojanman, have you talked to your homeowners insurance about this? Dog bites are often covered under these policies. Usually it's on-premises but maybe not. Check and see. If there is coverage they may be able to negotiate a settlement and release for you.

[Snotty]

I hate little dogs...

[trojanman]

Budman, thanks for the reminder.

Trojanman, have you talked to your homeowners insurance about this? Dog bites are often covered under these policies.

The dog is not going to be destroyed. I spent many hours with the investigating animal control officer yesterday. I do not want to go into too much detail here, but I will most likely not be cited with an offense.

The Chihuahua is out of the hospital and at home now. The current bill is at $2,200. I have some soul searching to do on how to handle this now. The CHI owner is expecting a paid in full. My attorney has advised me otherwise.

My insurance agent also advised me not to file a claim as it would mean I would either have to lose the dog, or lose my policy at its renewal date.

[mrutledge]

The dog is not going to be destroyed. I spent many hours with the investigating animal control officer yesterday. I do not want to go into too much detail here, but I will most likely not be cited with an offense.

The Chihuahua is out of the hospital and at home now. The current bill is at $2,200. I have some soul searching to do on how to handle this now. The CHI owner is expecting a paid in full. My attorney has advised me otherwise.

My insurance agent also advised me not to file a claim as it would mean I would either have to lose the dog, or lose my policy at its renewal date.

This all sounds very much like I expected and hoped. Out of curiosity, who is your homeowners policy through?

-Matt

[Speedwagon]

My insurance agent also advised me not to file a claim as it would mean I would either have to lose the dog, or lose my policy at its renewal date.

So they'd drop you over one incident? Personally, I'd file the claim and drop them as soon as it's taken care of. I see no need to give money to a company that would sooner drop you over one incident, than give good customer service and keep you as a customer for years.

[RebelRescuer]

So they'd drop you over one incident? Personally, I'd file the claim and drop them as soon as it's taken care of. I see no need to give money to a company that would sooner drop you over one incident, than give good customer service and keep you as a customer for years.

Damn right they would. In fact, its gotten so bad that not only are some companies not insuring over pits (and other "bad breeds", but they're including freaking mastiffs too! I mean really! A mastiff?!?! Its insane. Insurance companies are the suck.

I'm glad your dog is gonna be OK though. I'd pay them off and then put up a fence if you can.

[Suki]

didn't you initially offer to pay and they declined? If you did and had it documented somehow then if I were you I'd tell them I would pay half. They are partially responsible because they didn't keep their dog under supervision, had it been under supervision, then your dog wouldn't have gotten a hold of it. Since, after many posts have decided, you're both equally at fault, I think paying half is fair.

If it was my dog and I was equally at fault, i'd ask for half, but that's just me.

[Dave McDonald]

didn't you initially offer to pay and they declined? If you did and had it documented somehow then if I were you I'd tell them I would pay half. They are partially responsible because they didn't keep their dog under supervision, had it been under supervision, then your dog wouldn't have gotten a hold of it. Since, after many posts have decided, you're both equally at fault, I think paying half is fair.

If it was my dog and I was equally at fault, i'd ask for half, but that's just me.


Only if the other owners paid for half of the teeth cleanin the shepherd is gonna need to get the itty doggy bits out...


I'd only pay for it if my dog was out of control while theirs was in control. That wasn't the case, so all dogs and their owners are on their own.

[Colo.TJ]

At this point I would approach it as "we are equally culpable" and let them know that you will handle your own vet bills and expect them to do the same. Sort of a "no fault" situation.

[mrutledge]

At this point I would approach it as "we are equally culpable" and let them know that you will handle your own vet bills and expect them to do the same. Sort of a "no fault" situation.

Actually, since he has a lawyer involved, his only response should be, "All further communication on this issue should be addressed to my lawyer. Here's a business card."

-Matt

[starbreaker666]

We had a hell of a time finding coverage with our Akita....

[Gags]

The dog is not going to be destroyed. I spent many hours with the investigating animal control officer yesterday. I do not want to go into too much detail here, but I will most likely not be cited with an offense.

The Chihuahua is out of the hospital and at home now. The current bill is at $2,200. I have some soul searching to do on how to handle this now. The CHI owner is expecting a paid in full. My attorney has advised me otherwise.

My insurance agent also advised me not to file a claim as it would mean I would either have to lose the dog, or lose my policy at its renewal date.

Well it takes two to tango.

[Budman]

Actually, since he has a lawyer involved, his only response should be, "All further communication on this issue should be addressed to my lawyer. Here's a business card."

-Matt

Yup.