busted....

[earlybronco12]

so i was at a party the other night and had one beer and was on my way out the door and then, the cops showed up and things went down hill from there. They asked me individually if i had been drinking and i told them that i had only one beer, they didnt have me take a breathalizer or do a sobriety test, they just took what i said. I'm eighteen so they gave me a ticket for underage possession of alchohal and this could be a problem as i just enlisted in the marine corps and some of the jobs that i am considering involve a secret or top secret clearance which i may not be able to get if i am charged. My question is does anyone have any advice? they did not read me my miranda rights before asking me if i had drank or give me a breathalizer but the cop said that just being in the house i could get charged with it, but they did not give tickets to the people that hadnt drank at all. I've definately learned my lesson but i can guarantee you that all of the cops that busted the party drank at least once in high school (they even admitted it) so their hypocrisy frustrates me. I mean there were no drugs at the party, everyone had a designated driver (which they didnt even talk to us about), and all but one person there had no priors.

[Da Kine]

I wouldn't worry too much about the ticket. I knew plenty of people with clearances that has something similar in their records. The worst that you could do is lie about it or be dismissive about it. Own up to it when asked and be truthfull.
Oh and thanks for what you are about to do.:thumbsup:

[JR4X]

If you werent with a guardian that has the legal authority to allow you to drink under aged then you will just have to go through the ringer. I'm sorry to hear of these things as I am an advocate of a legal drinking age of 18.

[MonkeyBomb]

Under age drinking laws are really easy to prove in Colorado. You don't need much to prove it. Plus you admitted it. No miranda needed. At least you were honest. I would be more worried about losing your DL for it than anything else. That alone might be worth an attorney.

[earlybronco12]

I wouldn't worry too much about the ticket. I knew plenty of people with clearances that has something similar in their records. The worst that you could do is lie about it or be dismissive about it. Own up to it when asked and be truthfull.
Oh and thanks for what you are about to do.:thumbsup:

Ok that definately gives some piece of mind. And your very much welcome, my ship date to boot camp is september 28 so im really excited about that.
And JR4X I totally agree with that, its seems odd that im old enough to be charged as a legal adult for something that im not old enough to do, are they saying that I am or am not old enough to make my own decisions???? :shrug:
Thats a good point MonkeyBomb, because that would suckkkkkkkk

[earlybronco12]

Wait, no license means no wheeling!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh man i need to get this undercontrol!!!!!!

[Oscar]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/21/military.waivers/index.html

I wouldn't worry to much if you already got in your way ahead of this crowd.

[earlybronco12]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/21/military.waivers/index.html

wow, im not quite sure how i feel about somewhat that has made "terrorist threats" having my back :eek: . haha

[supremebeholder]

You broke the law, no matter what you think of that particular law, and you should take responsibility and accept the consequences of your actions.

[CUBoulder96XJ]

MIPs are a joke, it should be no problem, theyre misdemeanors and get off your record eventually, not quite sure how long it takes though...

you wont lose your license over it, i know plenty of people who have gotten tickets for underage drinking, and no one has ever lost their license, even multiple offenders

[Clod Hopper]

....i can guarantee you that all of the cops that busted the party drank at least once in high school (they even admitted it) so their hypocrisy frustrates me.

It seems like hypocrisy, but remember, they don't make the laws, they enforce them. It doesn't matter if they agree with the law or not, they have a job to do.

Consider that they are teaching you a lesson you will have more appreciation of later in life.

It shows great integrity to admit your error in a situation like that. The record could cause issues later in life, but most of the time it will just involve explaining the situation and then it will be dismissed. However, it is one that will stick with you and help guide you when faced with another similar decision.

[MonkeyBomb]

Read 42-2-125. subsection M

Its mandatory revocation for a conviction for MIP. Your friends must have taken a deal.

[Budman]

Okay, As for the USMC. You should be Okay, but you probably need to let your recruiter know. I have more clearances than I care to think about, and I have been in trouble for MIP on more than one occasion. 3 times caught and punished for it. The thing to remember with a clearance is that it is not a big deal what you have done, it is a big deal if you try to hide it. Answer all the questions honestly. That is the key. And prey to god that you never have a job that requires a "Lifestyles Poly". They are no fun at all.

[CUBoulder96XJ]

It seems like hypocrisy, but remember, they don't make the laws, they enforce them. It doesn't matter if they agree with the law or not, they have a job to do.

True.


Consider that they are teaching you a lesson you will have more appreciation of later in life.

What lesson is that? That a legal adult can't have a beer? But he can vote, enlist in the military, be tried as an adult, drink legally almost anywhere else in the world, etc... I fail to see a lesson to be learned, but i agree with you, laws are laws and if you get caught you gotta pay even if the law is stupid

i wish we still had 3.2 bars for +18 yr olds...seems like it would teach kids responsible alcohol use at an earlier age and take away some of the "forbidden romance" of alcohol. we all know kids will drink underage no matter what the laws are, why slow down our already sluggish legal system with pointless cases like this one?

[OlBlueCJ7]

Don't feel bad, no one in the history of law enforcement has ever had more than "two beers". :D

When it comes time to do your background checks, just be completely honest with everyone. You drank, you admitted to it, and you dealt with the consequences. I think to a lot of people, that speaks highly of you, when compared to those who would do anything & everything to weasel their way out of a penalty on some frivolous technicality.

[Jeffro600]

Dont sweat it...i have a Top Secret Clearance with SCI and had zero problems getting it and i have things on my record WAYYYYY worse than underage possession!! :flipoff2:

Like stated above, honestly is the key to getting your background check. You lie about something and they WILL find it! You have zero personal life privacy when it comes to high level clearance checks.

[Snotty]

i wish we still had 3.2 bars for +18 yr olds...seems like it would teach kids responsible alcohol use at an earlier age and take away some of the "forbidden romance" of alcohol.

Bwaahaahaaa...

I am in the age group at the end of the legal 18 drinking age era. I can tell you, without a doubt, it didnt teach anyone I knew, or me how to enjoy alcohol responsibly... Ah the good old days of Mardi Graus, After the Gold Rush, Graystone...

[Willy36]

What lesson is that?


Don't get caught.... :cool:

[AMMOtj]

True.



What lesson is that? That a legal adult can't have a beer? But he can vote, enlist in the military, be tried as an adult, drink legally almost anywhere else in the world, etc... I fail to see a lesson to be learned, but i agree with you, laws are laws and if you get caught you gotta pay even if the law is stupid

i wish we still had 3.2 bars for +18 yr olds...seems like it would teach kids responsible alcohol use at an earlier age and take away some of the "forbidden romance" of alcohol. we all know kids will drink underage no matter what the laws are, why slow down our already sluggish legal system with pointless cases like this one?

I said the same thing when I was 18. But now I look back and realize how stoopid I was then. The kids growing up aren't responsible enough to even dress themselves in the morning, alcohol just makes it worse!

Mark my words....

Give it 5 years and you'll be in charge of kids who are 18 and you'll get to see how irresponsible they are, even without the booze!

[OrangeCrush]

Just take personal responsibility for your actions tell your recruiter what you did, I had TS/SCI a few years ago and had my share of issue as a kid :P

[CUBoulder96XJ]

The kids growing up aren't responsible enough to even dress themselves in the morning, alcohol just makes it worse!

you have to admit, part of that lies with the parents, too often these days, parents dont take the necessary actions and disciplines to teach their children right and wrong. i find many parents turn a blind eye to their kids and what they're upto. besides, we all know kids will always be irresponsible, i think its a matter of teaching them whats acceptable and appropriate behavior, my parents never flipped on me for drinking in high school and college, they just taught me to be moderate and responsible (no drunk driving, excessive consumption, etc) and it has worked just fine for me, (no tickets or hospital visits)

being in college, all the kids i know who go off the deep end (which a good amount seem to do), have had crappy parents who never stressed the importance of maturity and responsibility.

[AMMOtj]

I can't argue that, however, reducing the drinking age isn't going to make up for lack of parenting.

[CUBoulder96XJ]

true, but i still cant help but argue the fact i can vote for our president and go and die in a foreign country for our great country, but i still legally cant have a damn beer??? thats kinda messed up if you ask me. but it hasnt stopped me or 20 million other youths from drinking beer

[racer122]

BTW, the Marine Corps will give you all the driver's license you will need for the next few years. You won't need one until after you are out.

Good luck, and stay safe.

[Oscar]

Uhm if you don't have a civilian license you can't get a DOD license

[earlybronco12]

yeah i made to sure to be as honest as i could during this entire time and didnt run, thinking that the cops might give me a little leeway since it was only one beer, but i got charged the same as the people that were so drunk they were puking :drool: . I told the parents right away, and my recruiter too (still waitin for a good hollerin from him and im sure it will be a good one considering hes an infantry marine with two combat tours in iraq:rant: :eek: ) we'll have to see how this all plays out..... this is just embarassing and a huge pain in the ass for one beer.

[DaJudge]

MIPs are a joke, it should be no problem, theyre misdemeanors and get off your record eventually, not quite sure how long it takes though...

you wont lose your license over it, i know plenty of people who have gotten tickets for underage drinking, and no one has ever lost their license, even multiple offenders
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Criminal convictions stay on your record forever, even misdemeanors.

Conviction of underage alcohol is required to be reported to DMV. First conviction results in revocation of your driving privileges for 90 days or until you perform 24 hours of Community Service, whichever comes first. Second conviction is 180 days and no option to do CS. This also results in an entry on your driving history that many insurance companies treat as the equivalent of a DUI resulting in doubling or tripling your insurance premiums.

Best way to avoid most of this is to ask for a deferred judgement. Many jurisdictions, on a first offense, will have you plead guilty, take an alcohol class, perform some CS, maybe meet a MADD victims panel, require you to stay out of trouble for a year and then dismiss the charge. It varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Only drawback is that in my experience the Armed Forces won't let you enlist if the deferred judgement is still active.

Upon completing a deferred judgement you can have the record sealed and Colorado law says you can legally deny it ever happened. However, DO NOT do that on a security clearance application. The question is very broadly worded and asks if you were ever CHARGED. I had a TS/SCI (called SSIR back then) while on active duty and dealt with too many cases of falsifying answers on the questionaire.

earlybronco12--PM me for specifics. I can't give you legal advice but I can point you in the right direction.

[CUBoulder96XJ]

although ive never gotten an MIP, i know plenty of friends who have gotten, 1, 2, even 4 MIPs, no one has ever lost their license or had a problem with insurance.

maybe Boulder's laws are slightly different, but when youre buddy gets his 4th MIP at a CU game and still has his license and no adverse effects other than weekly breathalizers and some alcohol class, i have to question what you say DaJudge, (not to insult your intelligence, im just speaking from experience)

[Oscar]

Hehe you do know DaJudge is a real Judge right

[Clod Hopper]

What lesson is that? That a legal adult can't have a beer? But he can vote, enlist in the military, be tried as an adult, drink legally almost anywhere else in the world, etc... I fail to see a lesson to be learned, but i agree with you, laws are laws and if you get caught you gotta pay even if the law is stupid

Lesson is to stop and think about possible consequences prior to action. Doesn't matter if you agree with the law, it is still the law that your actions are measured against. Sometimes the end result and risk is not worth the immediate benefit.

Just because you do not agree with a law does not mean you are justified to break it.

I have been known to break the speed limit from time to time. I have been ticketed it for it also. I don't hold anyone responsible but myself. I made the decision to do it (or failed to pay sufficient attention) knowing the outcome. When I was younger I racked up a string of points and had a "sit-down" with the prez of the company I was working for at the time. She politety, and with complete clarity, explained that if I got one more ticket, I could no longer drive for the company and I would be fired. I changed my driving habits and that has carried on to this day. I still go over the speed limit from time to time, but I am very concious of when and why I do.

The hurdles we cross over the course of our lifetimes guide our later decisions.

[CUBoulder96XJ]

Hehe you do know DaJudge is a real Judge right

sounds like he would know then...

but i still cant help but question it, judging from what i see so many other college kids have to put up with when they get MIPs

[CUBoulder96XJ]

Lesson is to stop and think about possible consequences prior to action. Doesn't matter if you agree with the law, it is still the law that your actions are measured against. Sometimes the end result and risk is not worth the immediate benefit.

Just because you do not agree with a law does not mean you are justified to break it.

i agree, but what lesson is a MIP gonna teach? its really only a slap in the face if you ask me, seriously you cant believe that a legal adult with all the previously said privileges and rights cant have a BEER?!?!

in fact, im gonna crack one right now... :flipoff2:

[Oscar]

Because it is the law and without respect and adherence to law you have chaos

[Clod Hopper]

i agree, but what lesson is a MIP gonna teach? its really only a slap in the face if you ask me, seriously you cant believe that a legal adult with all the previously said privileges and rights cant have a BEER?!?!

in fact, im gonna crack one right now... :flipoff2:

I never stated whether 21 is a correct age or not. To be honest, there is so much more involved, maturity, behavior, etc. However, you can't legislate maturity. So we select an age where most people are "responsible enough" to handle alcohol. Remember, it used to be 18 and at some point, a large number of people were in agreement to change it to 21.

Just like driving, drinking is not a "right". You are more than welcome to disagree with the law and work make legislative change and reduce the age to 18. But as an adult, you are still obligated to follow the rules.

When I was under 21, I admit my view of the topic was similar to yours. As I have been hanging around this earth, I have had the opportunity to understand two things. 1. Not everyone is responsible and maybe 21 isn't old enough and 2. Drinking is not all that important and certainly not important enough to risk everything over.

[CUBoulder96XJ]

I never stated whether 21 is a correct age or not. To be honest, there is so much more involved, maturity, behavior, etc. However, you can't legislate maturity. So we select an age where most people are "responsible enough" to handle alcohol. Remember, it used to be 18 and at some point, a large number of people were in agreement to change it to 21.

Just like driving, drinking is not a "right". You are more than welcome to disagree with the law and work make legislative change and reduce the age to 18. But as an adult, you are still obligated to follow the rules.

When I was under 21, I admit my view of the topic was similar to yours. As I have been hanging around this earth, I have had the opportunity to understand two things. 1. Not everyone is responsible and maybe 21 isn't old enough and 2. Drinking is not all that important and certainly not important enough to risk everything over.

agreed. but getting a MIP is only a speedbump in your life, its not gonna destroy you, you dont risk everything by drinking and getting caught for it. granted, you risk much more (everything, really) if you abuse alcohol or get behind the wheel of a car, but i would hope that parents these days would teach their children about the wrongs of drunk driving and how to responsibly drink.

unfortunately, thats not the case, and probably a driver for why the law did get changed. regardless, im still opposed to the fact i cant enjoy a beer legally, it doesnt stop me, but im not gonna do anything about it cause i got less than year left til the magic age, and i agree not all underage kids drink responsibly. way too often i see people drink way too much at a party and get sick (sorority girls are infamous for this), some people underage can handle it, some cant, and those who cant ruin for the rest of us.

[earlybronco12]

Drinking is not all that important and certainly not important enough to risk everything over.

that is probably one of the smartest things iv'e heard about underage drinking and i totally agree with it. But i do hate the fact that actions of a few can affect everyone, why dont we give men a curfue and not let men drive and give men other restrictions because we are statistically more likely to commit a crime or get into an accident? Isn't that what out country was founded on, freedom? I think that they should make the consiquences harsher for the people that do break legitament laws rather than make the responsible ones suffer. But i suppose that i have alllllooooottttt of life learning to do as i am only eighteen and have alot ahead of me that isnt worth throwing away for a beer or two.

[CUBoulder96XJ]

that is probably one of the smartest things iv'e heard about underage drinking and i totally agree with it....But i suppose that i have alllllooooottttt of life learning to do as i am only eighteen and have alot ahead of me that isnt worth throwing away for a beer or two.

dude, youre not throwing your life away if you have a beer. killing someone or stealing a car, dealing drugs, then yeah, youre life is screwed; but having a beer, not likely.... unless you turn one beer into forty in a single sitting, or drive drunk. but dont think one beer is gonna ruin your life.

[earlybronco12]

unless you turn one beer into forty in a single sitting

damn, is that possible? yeah that makes sense too, i suppose it really is just making sure that i dont do it at big party's that are likely to get busted, keep it in moderation, and driving drunk is completely out of the question no matter what.

[Oscar]

Nope not at all if it wasn't for your pending enlistment it would be just a step in life

[CUBoulder96XJ]

it really is just making sure that i dont do it at big party's that are likely to get busted, keep it in moderation, and driving drunk is completely out of the question no matter what.

exactly, its all about responsible use, and you recognize that, which most youths like us dont, which sucks and gives adults more of a reason to flip out

(ive found cops love to go on power trips when busting up college parties, the environmental cops in Boulder, especially, haha but its so hard to take them seriously, what city other than Boulder would have environmental cops?)

anyways, cheers to responsible beer drinking :beer:

[earlybronco12]

haha yeah one cop came barging in through the front door, handcuffed my friend for saying that he didnt have a warrant, and then told everyone in the room (which pretty much all them had scholarships) while pointing at a pile of beers that they just pissed their lifes and scholarships, and college plans away because of the beer. then he tried to pretend to be hot shit talking about how he made his life so great by going to college and having a high paying job (no disrespect to cops because they have a very noble job that absolutely needs to be done, but i dont think iv'e ever heard of a cop making good money) it just made me laugh. oh yeah and :beer: :beer: :beer:

[CUBoulder96XJ]

cops hate kids who party...hell if it wasnt for students, the Boulder Hill team probably wouldnt even exist

[RebelRescuer]

I wouldn't sweat it.

The absolute KEY in clearances is to be honest. They will already know about it anyway, and you're fooked if you lie.

If there's anything I've learned about clearances (LE) is that you never, ever want to lie about your past. I had nothing to lie about, but I've seen people get jobs that admitted to smoking pot in the past...but those who lied and then failed the polygraph were shipped out.

Let your recruiter know too, because they'll do background checks and it'll show up.

[the007forum]

its all a matter of opinion but the one thing i never will understand is COPS giving MIPS for just being around or at a party. If you can blow a 0 you clearly have not consumed alcohol and just because your near it, they cant automatically charge you as the person possessing it.i think thats a scare tactic that cops abuse.

[Snotty]

damn, is that possible?

Absolutly! Ask a home brewer and they can show you how to water into pure liquid gold! :D

[supremebeholder]

exactly, its all about responsible use, and you recognize that, which most youths like us dont, which sucks and gives adults more of a reason to flip out



I contend that you can't do an illegal act responsibly. Being illegal it is inherently irresponsible unless the act is civil disobedience, and drinking at a party isn't even close.

[Budman]

damn, is that possible? yeah that makes sense too, i suppose it really is just making sure that i dont do it at big party's that are likely to get busted, keep it in moderation, and driving drunk is completely out of the question no matter what.

Absolutly! :D

what snotty said.

[JeepWheelin02]

damn, is that possible?

Yes it is. After living here in CO for a while, head down to the beach and see how many beers you can slam home without even getting a buzz. I know I can easily down a case myself when I go home on vacation and never get a buzz.

I also have a security clearance and I have worse things on my record than a MIP as well. Like everyone else said just be honest when filling out the paperwork and talking to them about it, and everything should be just fine.

[Taz]

damn, is that possible? yeah that makes sense too, i suppose it really is just making sure that i dont do it at big party's that are likely to get busted, keep it in moderation, and driving drunk is completely out of the question no matter what.



The lesson that should have been learned here is to stay away from illegal under age drinking parties..........................:tisk:

[ZappBranigan]

What lesson is that? That a legal adult can't have a beer? But he can vote, enlist in the military, be tried as an adult, drink legally almost anywhere else in the world, etc... I fail to see a lesson to be learned, but i agree with you, laws are laws and if you get caught you gotta pay even if the law is stupid

There's the lesson right there in bold. Class dismissed. ;)

FWIW I'm 46 and I agree with you about the drinking age. Treating 18 year olds like they're irresponsible children only leads to more irresponsible behavior. When I went into the Army in 1980 I did my basic training in Georgia (Fort Benning.) At that time Georgia's drinking age was 19 but if you were in the military it was 18 - their rationale being that if you're old enough to serve in the armed forces, you're old enough to drink (and also old enough to bear the consequences of both.) I happen to agree with that.

But now the military has now gone all "puritan" and they are even starting to enforce the 21 drinking age on US soldiers stationed overseas, which is hilarious because if there's a drinking age in Germany, I'm not aware of it. I think the attitude over there is that if you're old enough to put money on the bar, you're old enough to drink!

Honestly, I see no reason to have the double standard. An 18 year old is either an adult or he is not. If he is old enough to vote, to serve on a jury, to enter into a binding contract, to make every choice about where he lives and what he does, then he should be old enough to drink. And if an 18 year old is not an adult, then he should be able to plead diminished capacity if he is ever charged with a crime, should be able to void contracts based on infancy, etc. Sauce for the goose = Sauce for the gander.

[Oscar]

I was in the AF when the drinking age stateside changed. The main reason was folks under 21 would drink on base. Go off base and get into trouble causing a big legal mess. Like the saying goes a few bad apples.

[stewp97]

Thought this was an interesting article in regards to earlybronco12's original question:

"US military recruits more ex-cons: The US Army and Marine Corps recruited significantly more people with criminal records last year than in 2006, amid pressure to meet combat needs. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7360157.stm

peter

[DaJudge]

its all a matter of opinion but the one thing i never will understand is COPS giving MIPS for just being around or at a party. If you can blow a 0 you clearly have not consumed alcohol and just because your near it, they cant automatically charge you as the person possessing it.i think thats a scare tactic that cops abuse.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. The crime is underage possession OR consumption of alcohol. Blowing a 0.00 proves you didn''t consume alcohol; it is not a defense to being in possession of alcohol.

I hear this arguement a lot from kids charged with this. They, and I think you, confuse the concepts of 'possession' and 'ownership.' If you are at a party in my house and it is my booze, I own it but you may be charged with illegally possessing it by just being around it. The officer only has to have probable cause to believe you possessed it in order to charge you with it. If you knew it was there and had the ability to exercise control of it then you can be charged. What does 'possession of alcohol' mean? This is the jury instruction in these cases:

INSTRUCTION NO. _____

"Possession," as used in these instructions, does not necessarily mean ownership, but does mean the actual, physical possession, or the immediate and knowing dominion or control over the object or the thing allegedly possessed. "Possession" need not be exclusive, provided that each possessor, should there be more than one, actually know of the presence of the object, or thing possessed, and exercised actual physical control or immediate, knowing dominion or control over it.

[cheftyler]

CUBoulder96XJ...You wrote:
I fail to see a lesson to be learned, but i agree with you, laws are laws and if you get caught you gotta pay even if the law is stupid
That whole sentence is a big contradiction...you don't see a lesson, yet you say "laws are laws and if you get caught you gotta pay..." How is that not a lesson?

Anyway, getting charged vs convicted is the difference you're missing. Having never been hit with an MIP, I can't speak to the process, but it would seem to me that it's probably like a speeding ticket...you go to court, talk to the ADA/city attorney, etc...they look at your record and you can probably plea to a lesser charge, hence not having your license revoked.
I have no direct or implied knowledge of what I typed just now with regards to the process, but maybe DaJudge can chime in.

[cheftyler]

Damn, beaten to it...that's what I get for not posting my reply before I go to lunch!

[ZappBranigan]

Thought this was an interesting article in regards to earlybronco12's original question:

"US military recruits more ex-cons: The US Army and Marine Corps recruited significantly more people with criminal records last year than in 2006, amid pressure to meet combat needs. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7360157.stm

peter

Except that if you go to that article it says that the number of felony waivers went from 457 to 861.

Out of over 180,000 recruits. Which means that the number of recruits with felony waivers went from about .2 % to .4%. Or to flip the numbers, the number of non-felony waiver recruits went from 99.8% to 99.6%.

Somehow I don't think that means our military is becoming a barbarian horde. :rolleyes:

But in any case, that's what always happens with the military. In peacetime they tighten up the requirements and it's harder to get in and harder to stay in. In wartime, when they need more people, they loosen the requirements. It's not like enlistment standards are carved in stone - just like with any private industry, the requirements will change as the demand changes.

[stewp97]

Except that if you go to that article it says that the number of felony waivers went from 457 to 861.

Out of over 180,000 recruits. Which means that the number of recruits with felony waivers went from about .2 % to .4%. Or to flip the numbers, the number of non-felony waiver recruits went from 99.8% to 99.6%.

Somehow I don't think that means our military is becoming a barbarian horde. :rolleyes:

But in any case, that's what always happens with the military. In peacetime they tighten up the requirements and it's harder to get in and harder to stay in. In wartime, when they need more people, they loosen the requirements. It's not like enlistment standards are carved in stone - just like with any private industry, the requirements will change as the demand changes.

This response was meant to ease the original posters concern about an MIP, not to bash our military. I have the utmost respect for those who serve in the military. Also, given the low numbers they are talking about, I am guessing they are evaluating these candidates on case by case basis.

peter

[Willy36]

I contend that you can't do an illegal act responsibly. Being illegal it is inherently irresponsible unless the act is civil disobedience, and drinking at a party isn't even close.

So a 17-year-old who drinks a few beers with some friends, hardly even enough to get a buzz, then sleeps it off and doesn't even touch car keys until the morning is not being responsible about it? Who did he hurt, what did he risk? Are you saying that's equivalent to that same 17-year-old downing 10 shots of whiskey and driving 20 miles back to his house that same night just because they're both illegal? :wtf:

[JPg]

The only thing that you have to worry about is if your job states that you can't have any police offenses with booze or drugs in the last 36 months you should be fine. At is at least what the Navy standards are and you are going to be part of the Navy anyways!!!!!!

[RWPOTTER]

Tell your recruiter about it. They have a bit of influence with the DA and can likely get them to drop all charges. (they do it all the time)

That is if you have not hired an attorney yet. Then its up to the attorney to ask the DA to drop the charges because you are joining the military.

[JPg]

Tell your recruiter about it. They have a bit of influence with the DA and can likely get them to drop all charges. (they do it all the time)

That is if you have not hired an attorney yet. Then its up to the attorney to ask the DA to drop the charges because you are joining the military.

You are right it can be done but we are not supposed to do it but like anything else it happens. (ie like three weeks ago) lol:tisk:

[earlybronco12]

I contend that you can't do an illegal act responsibly. Being illegal it is inherently irresponsible unless the act is civil disobedience, and drinking at a party isn't even close.

i dont want to bash on what you said or anything but isnt the definition of civil disobediance doing something that your government denys your god given and constitutional right to do, like rosa parks sitting on the front of a bus? Is age discrimination the same as racial? I honestly don't know and this injustice is far from racial discrimination so im not going to argue that. And you do also realize that the guy that wrote civil disobediance (henry david thoreau) also stated that the government which governs best is the government which governs least, which also completely contradicts this law.

[supremebeholder]

Dude, getting drunk at a party is nowhere near the ballpark of what Rosa Parks and guys like Gandhi did.

You broke a law you think is stupid in the interest of having fun at a party. Stop whining about it being unfair and hypocritical, and put it behind you as best you can.

Grow up and become a legislator, and then maybe you can take on the ?unfair? drinking laws, but by that time maybe you will see that not every 18 year old is capable of making a rational decision about drugs, in fact, most of them aren't.

[Steve]

i dont want to bash on what you said or anything but isnt the definition of civil disobediance doing something that your government denys your god given and constitutional right to do, like rosa parks sitting on the front of a bus? Is age discrimination the same as racial? I honestly don't know and this injustice is far from racial discrimination so im not going to argue that. And you do also realize that the guy that wrote civil disobediance (henry david thoreau) also stated that the government which governs best is the government which governs least, which also completely contradicts this law.

Um, dude, you have no "god given and constitutional right" to drink alcohol - period.

As I told my son when he was your age, you have two choices with any law you disagree with: comply or don't. If you choose to break a law and then get caught man up and face the consequences and stop whining about it.

[earlybronco12]

i didnt try and compare myself to either of them, sorry if it sounded like that. if i sound like im whining them im just guna shut the hell up now because it seems im digging myself a hole. By the way, to the guy that posted the last comment, nice bronco in your gallery.....

[creepycrawler]

By the way, to the guy that posted the last comment, nice bronco in your gallery.....


Way to suck up to the Mod. :flipoff2:

[jtw2]

The lesson to learn is never ever tell the cops anything that can be used against you ever.

Don't ever help them pin anything on you.

Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter accusations!

[earlybronco12]

Way to suck up to the Mod. :flipoff2:

haha wasnt tryin to suck up, i just think that all classic broncos are freakin sick. and what the hell is a mod?????

[creepycrawler]

Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter accusations!


:lmao:...."You been eatin' doughnuts today son?"

[Steve]

Way to suck up to the Mod. :flipoff2:

He obviously knows a sweet rig when he sees one. :flipoff2:

"Mod" = a moderator here.

[creepycrawler]

what the hell is a mod?????



He's just like the popo that was at the party except he can kick you off of this forum instead of taking you to jail.

[creepycrawler]

He obviously knows a sweet rig when he sees one. :flipoff2:


kissing up> I know Steve. I wheeled an EB for 16 years< kissing up.

[supremebeholder]

You don't happen to drive a blue-green EB, do you? That's about the only one I've seen around town in a few years.

Yeah, EB's are great rigs...




































































'Cuz they copied the Scout. :boxing:

[Dave McDonald]

'Cuz they copied the Scout. :boxing:

They copied from PICTURES of a Scout. They tried to get one to keep in the design workshop as an example, but the cleaning crew kept thinking the rust was dust, and the next day - no more Scout!

And to the OP... I got a buddy that was heading into the Army right after high school. He got picked off shoplifting a can of Skoal from the U-Bag-It. He stood in front of the judge and told him that he was military bound. Judge said "Where are you reporting? I'll have a chat with them, and they'll straighten you out. Case dismissed".

BTW, If you're dumb enough to drink underage, don't do it at a party. Small get-togethers don't get raided.

[CUBoulder96XJ]

CUBoulder96XJ...You wrote:

That whole sentence is a big contradiction...you don't see a lesson, yet you say "laws are laws and if you get caught you gotta pay..." How is that not a lesson?


im saying no ones really gonna "learn a lesson from a MIP", no one i know is going to have a big epiphany and make drastic lifestyle changes just cause they got caught drinking a damn beer and got a slap on the wrist for it. and yeah even though it sucks, its the law and you still gotta go through all that BS cause you got caught. the only lesson here is: dont get caught :flipoff2:

[the007forum]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. The crime is underage possession OR consumption of alcohol. Blowing a 0.00 proves you didn''t consume alcohol; it is not a defense to being in possession of alcohol.


I completely understand what you mean and agree with what you said. however, i just don't feel like possession should be a charge. A kid hanging out at a party as a DD and a an idiot throwing up in the neighbors front yard receive the same charge. I don't see that as fair, but i do understand that the law has to draw the line somewhere, and it cant be in the middle. So it has to be 100% against underage people being near it. But what harm is it to the community, that a kid happened to be near alcohol? None. There are alot of laws that serve no intent, but i understand that unless im willing to change them, teenagers just have to deal with the actions they have made, and deal with the consequences regardless of their justification.