Douglas Bruce-Bigot or Truth Speaker?

[JKTODD]

You decide..........................

http://www.9news.com/news/top-article.aspx?storyid=90348

His tactics are a little, crude, rude and in your face. However-he is factual from what I can see. Be interesting to see how this one goes down.

[jtw2]

little of both.

[mikee_357]

:shrug:

[CLYDE]

He says whats on his mind, I give him kudos for that.

[Tiffany]

Yes.

[Frank Z]

As much as I despise illegal immigration across any of our borders, I'd have to say that once again Dougie has spoken for himself, not his constituents.

Illegal immigration is not about bigotry and unfortunately Dougie can't seem to grasp the concept. This guy is an embarrassment to the entire state.

[Rando]

i love the way all the PC better than thou do gooders gasp and get all indignant as soon as they realized what he said :laughing:
I'll vote for Dougie every chance i get just to piss off those people.

it is the truth though, i work next to them everyday and know that we don't get the educated upper class of Mexican society. most of them are peasants who can barely communicate in their own language much less ours.

[Frank Z]

There's nothing "PC" about it. He was insulting, arogant, and showing just how much of douche-nozzle he really is.

[CLYDE]

the speaker going "How dare you" cracked me up.. So he called em peasants,, He coulda called em mexican rednecks, and that would have been the same thing, only wouldnt have got the same reaction.

[Frank Z]

So what's wrong with holding him (all of them actually) to a higher standard?

[CLYDE]

thats what got us where we are,, I would rather see a bunch of common folks, who spoke plainly, in office. Thats the problem, so many in govt, already feel they are above the common people.

[Rando]

So what's wrong with holding him (all of them actually) to a higher standard?


I agree Frank, in his position he could be a little more tactfull but jeez now they're talking about an ethics hearing? come on it's just words.

[CLYDE]

Dont mind me,, I just dont like PROfessional politicians

[Oscar]

I question the people in his district that keep electing this fool yes he is fool a bigot and an idiot

[Frank Z]

He wasn't elected, he was appointed and is serving his first, and hopefully, only term.

[Oscar]

he was elected to city counsel

[Frank Z]

I agree Frank, in his position he could be a little more tactfull but jeez now they're talking about an ethics hearing? come on it's just words.Just words?

I did not speak
I did not speak...

"First they came for the Communists ;
I did not speak because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews ;
I did not speak because I was not a Jew.
Then they came to fetch the workers, members of trade unions ;
I did not speak because I was not a trade unionist.
Afterwards, they came for the Catholics ;
I did not say anything because I was a Protestant.
Eventually they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak ..."

Martin Niem?ller,Pastor
Dachau, 1942.

Nigger
Spic,
Dago,
White Trash



Just words.

Illiterate? By who's standards? Because they can't read or write English?


Illegal immigration is one thing, bigotry is something completely different. Cover it with rose petals and it still smells like shit.


I'm sorry if I've offended anyone here. I vowed never to get into another political discussion here and have obviously failed miserably.


FWIW, My Great Grandfather was also in Dachu, not because he was a Jew (he was not)...he was there because he did speak out.

[henpecked]

"I would like to have the opportunity to state at the microphone why I don't think we need 5,000 more illiterate peasants in Colorado," Bruce said.



Well most of them are illiterate................and there definetly not the upper class (well to do)

Just my 2 cents

[Rando]

he was elected to city counsel

i think you mean county commissioner.

I question the people in his district that keep electing this fool yes he is fool a bigot and an idiot


you might not like the guy but i think he speaks for a lot of hard working tax payers that are tired of being trod upon and taken advantage of by our supposed public servants.

how much of your tax dollars are you comfortable with being taken from you, squandered, pissed away and wasted on useless BS that you really don't have any control over?
Bruce has the platform to voice his opinions and does so. That makes him extremely unpopular with people that get their income from our tax dollars.

and Frank, you're a helluva nice guy and i respect your opinion, but since when is telling the truth make you a bigot?
they ARE for the most part uneducated people from southern Mexico,central and south America.

Even more so the ones they are trying to let in for Ag work.

[Oscar]

yea that too muddled brain as usual

[MountainJeep]

he is just proving to everyone how much of an a-hole he is. When you are a representative in a democratic government, you had better make sure that you fully engage the brain-to-mouth filter before speaking ON THE RECORD IN FULL VIEW OF YOUR PEERS AND CONSTITUANCY.

what an utter moron.

[Frank Z]

Bingo!!

[ni0h]

He spoke only of their negative characteristics. Those of you who see everything in terms of skin tones and facial features are the racists.

[henpecked]

heres what the definitions are............

Illiterate il?lit?er?ate

Pronunciation: \(ˌ)i(l)-ˈli-t(ə-)rət\

Function: adjective

Etymology: Middle English, from Latin illiteratus, from in- + litteratus literate

Date: 15th century

1: having little or no education; especially : unable to read or write (an illiterate population)

2 a: showing or marked by a lack of familiarity with language and literature (an illiterate magazine) b: violating approved patterns of speaking or writing

3: showing or marked by a lack of acquaintance with the fundamentals of a particular field of knowledge (musically illiterate)

synonyms see ignorant

? illiterate noun

? il?lit?er?ate?ly adverb

? il?lit?er?ate?ness noun


Peasant peas?ant

Pronunciation: \ˈpe-zənt

Function: noun

Etymology: Middle English paissaunt, from Anglo-French paisant, pesaunt, from pais, paiis country, from Late Latin pagensis inhabitant of a district, from Latin pagus district; akin to Latin pangere to fix ? more at pact

Date: 15th century

1: a member of a European class of persons tilling the soil as small landowners or as laborers; also : a member of a similar class elsewhere

2: a usually uneducated person of low social status

[ScaldedDog]

Clearly, the guy is bad tempered and an all around curmudgeon. Neither of which prevent him from being correct.

Mark

[Rando]

He spoke only of their negative characteristics. Those of you who see everything in terms of skin tones and facial features are the racists.


what thread are you reading?

[Ric]

he spoke his mind, isnt that freedom of speach :shrug: and by definition, he spoke the truth :thumbsup: atleast he had the balls to say what was on his mind, NOT what you wanted to hear.

[Frank Z]

More flys with honey than with vinegar.

It's not always what is said, sometimes it's the way it was said.

I seriously doub that Bruce researched his word choice before opening is pie recepticle....but thats my opinion


I'll agree to disagree on this subject. Fair enough?

[starbreaker666]

Speaker of the truth even though he's goofy.

[theirishavenger]

Gotta agree with Clyde and Rando. It's refreshing to hear words from a politician that aren't sugarcoated. He could use a little more tact though.

[osirus82]

douche-nozzle .


fickin hilarious, This statment represents most of the people in office.

[SSII]

Since he is a Politician, he needs to be politically correct. I don't though as it isn't Illegal. yet.
From what he said, there at that time, I agree with him. Most educated Mexicans are in Canada. Canada openly welcomes EDUCATED Mexicans. They won't take what we get.

I have a question. Since moving back up here from AZ and Kali and gone 5 years, what the hell happened? This area is now FULL of Mexicans. I don't mean Hispanics either. It wasn't like this 5 years ago. Where is all the people other than Mexicans work at?
Our pay scale at work for on the floor is $11-$16 Hr. There is very few people there other than Mexicans. I don't know of a single American Hispanic person there. Most are Mexicans.

Since I'm speaking the truth, this is a Bigoted question I'm sure now.

[ZappBranigan]

Well, the term "peasant" has historically been used by people of the upper classes to denigrate and demean the people of the agrarian working class, so using terminology like that shows him to be an arrogant snob who considers agricultural workers to be some lower life form.

Second, as to "illiterate" if the illegal immigrants are "illiterate" then why are there so many signs written in Spanish? Illiterate would mean unable to read, wouldn't it? From what I've seen most of the illegals can read just fine, it's just that they can only read Spanish. That's not the same thing as being illiterate.

Then again, Bruce is the politician who enjoys saying or doing controversial things to get his name in the news, right? So if that was his intent, I'd have to say:

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z256/ZappBranigan/Misc%20pictures/6_22_bush_mission_banner1.jpg

[scottycards]

Thank you Frank.

Glad to see racism and bigotry alive and well.

[denverd0n]

Well, the truth is that most of them are poor and poorly educated. After all, if they had money and education they wouldn't NEED to come here illegally!

If he had used those words would you all be happier? That would have been more tactful, but the underlying meaning would have been essentially the same.

Yeah, he's a tactless doofus, but I don't see anything inherently racist in his statement, and it seems to me like the statement was basically true.

[Ric]

Well, the truth is that most of them are poor and poorly educated. After all, if they had money and education they wouldn't NEED to come here illegally!

Yeah, he's a tactless doofus, but I don't see anything inherently racist in his statement, and it seems to me like the statement was basically true.

X2

[Yota]

They are NOT illiterate peasants, they are ILLEGAL illiterate peasants.

[Gags]

Just words?


Nigger
Spic,
Dago,
White Trash



Just words.

Illiterate? By who's standards? Because they can't read or write English?


Illegal immigration is one thing, bigotry is something completely different. Cover it with rose petals and it still smells like shit.


I'm sorry if I've offended anyone here. I vowed never to get into another political discussion here and have obviously failed miserably.


FWIW, My Great Grandfather was also in Dachu, not because he was a Jew (he was not)...he was there because he did speak out.

Interesting.

[ZappBranigan]

Well, the truth is that most of them are poor and poorly educated. After all, if they had money and education they wouldn't NEED to come here illegally!

Poor? Yes. Poorly educated? Compared to what? I see people with college degrees who can't write a coherent paragraph, I would call them "poorly educated."

But do you think they left their little village in Mexico because they didn't have enough education? "Sorry Pedro, if you don't have at least a BA you can't shovel shit in my corral. Go north, maybe you can get a job picking tomatoes for a dollar an hour." :D

Education is only valuable if there are jobs for educated people. They aren't leaving Mexico because of their inability to understand the poetry of Emily Dickinson, they're leaving Mexico because there aren't any jobs there, education or not.

[CSP]

It's not what he said, it's how he said it.

Doug Bruce's self-serving arrogance continues to get in the way of gaining respect from the majority of his peers and constituents. His intentions may be justified, but his contempt for anyone different to him prevents him from gaining credibility.

Does anyone recall when he was cited back in the early 90s for basically being a slum lord with his Denver rental properties.

[BalloonKnot]

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JULIO MANUEL JOSE RODRIGUEZ-GARCIA

----MEXICAN HACKER--- .

This is supposed to be a joke. His comments were condescending and arrogant. Truth? How do you know?

[Griz]

What Doug said may be correct in certain aspects, it wasn't very nice. I'm sure it was done to get attention.

I do a lot of work in agriculture, and many, many, jobs that migrant farm workers take and do; just would not get done without them. Calling them names serves no purpose. It is necessary that we make a way for them to do this work legally.

[TwoDogs]

What he said. Truth.

How he said it. "Douche nozzle."

The guy has no tact and no class.

Oh yeah, I remember him being a Denver "slum-lord." "Douche nozzle", as well.

[meatblanket]

Does anyone recall when he was cited back in the early 90s for basically being a slum lord with his Denver rental properties.

Yup. I remember his defense to the charges was that the politicians, the "establishment", had trumped up the violations as retribution for getting TABOR passed.

The terms "illiterate" and "peasants" are not particularly demeaning or racist. But the guy did raise a legitimate issue, and rather than responding to the point he was making, we get a "How dare you?" and a call for punishment.

I'd rather see the legislature spend more time discussing the merits (or lack thereof) of Bruce's position on this issue, than discussing how outraged they are about his lack of sensitivity.:idea:

[scottycards]

I was thinking about this.

I am an illiterate peasant as well.

Let's see: I only have a 4 year college degree- hardly could I be considered "highly educated". For that, I'd have to get at least a Masters, MBA, and PhD. Of course, there's always multiple PhD's to pursue.

So.........not very well educated- check.

Hmmmmm, that leaves "working in agriculture". Well, our company makes steel landscape edging, and a lot of our customers are directly involved in the landscaping business.

I'll count that. Peasant.

I'd rather be an illiterate peasant than a douche nozzle any day.

I really hope the MSM gets a hold of this story and ends this DN's sorry career right now.

Buh-bye, Douglas Bruce.

[meatblanket]

I was thinking about this.

I am an illiterate peasant as well.

Let's see: I only have a 4 year college degree- hardly could I be considered "highly educated". For that, I'd have to get at least a Masters, MBA, and PhD. Of course, there's always multiple PhD's to pursue.

So.........not very well educated- check.

Hmmmmm, that leaves "working in agriculture". Well, our company makes steel landscape edging, and a lot of our customers are directly involved in the landscaping business.

I'll count that. Peasant.

I'd rather be an illiterate peasant than a douche nozzle any day.

I really hope the MSM gets a hold of this story and ends this DN's sorry career right now.

Buh-bye, Douglas Bruce.

First, I should point out that Bruce is a career slumlord, not a career politician.

Second, since you are illiterate and therefore can't read, I now have a greater appreciation for why you have embraced the liberal mentality. You aren't a bad person after all. You just don't know any better!:flipoff2:

[scottycards]

First, I should point out that Bruce is a career slumlord, not a career politician.

Second, since you are illiterate and therefore can't read, I now have a greater appreciation for why you have embraced the liberal mentality. You aren't a bad person after all. You just don't know any better!:flipoff2:

See, you stick around for a while, and all this stuff starts to make sense.

[back to staring at shiny objects]...........:flipoff2:

[Loki]

I'd rather be an illiterate peasant than a douche nozzle any day.



Who's says you aren't both??? :P

:flipoff2: :beer: :flipoff2:

[scottycards]

Who's says you aren't both??? :P

:flipoff2: :beer: :flipoff2:

Well, I do try at times to achieve both. Although generally in good fun. :flipoff2:

Being a good spirited douche nozzle is one thing, but man, this dude Bruce just seems like a mean-spirited, angry person.

I've got 10 bucks that says one of these days the shoe drops on him- raging alcoholic, prescription med junkie, pedophile, gay S&M dungeonmaster, something along those lines. :eek:

He's just way too righteous (read- finger pointing) to not be hiding a very deep, dark secret of some kind.

[Loki]

Well, I do try at times to achieve both. Although generally in good fun. :flipoff2:

Being a good spirited douche nozzle is one thing, but man, this dude Bruce just seems like a mean-spirited, angry person.

I've got 10 bucks that says one of these days the shoe drops on him- raging alcoholic, prescription med junkie, pedophile, gay S&M dungeonmaster, something along those lines. :eek:

He's just way too righteous (read- finger pointing) to not be hiding a very deep, dark secret of some kind.

Well we'll have some fun with the thread that news generates. :popcorn:

:D

[Eryl Flynn]

I like his candor, but he could have said some thing with equal meaning that the other douche nozzles in that room would have little excuse to cry and whine about. That way when they bitch and moan and then ignore it, they have no excuse.

I've got 10 bucks that says one of these days the shoe drops on him- raging alcoholic, prescription med junkie, pedophile, gay S&M dungeonmaster, something along those lines. :eek:

He's just way too righteous (read- finger pointing) to not be hiding a very deep, dark secret of some kind.

It could be asked which fits you, I have seen quite a bit of finger pointing in your posting Scotty. :flipoff2:

[JKTODD]

Well, I do try at times to achieve both. Although generally in good fun. :flipoff2:

Being a good spirited douche nozzle is one thing, but man, this dude Bruce just seems like a mean-spirited, angry person.

I've got 10 bucks that says one of these days the shoe drops on him- raging alcoholic, prescription med junkie, pedophile, gay S&M dungeonmaster, something along those lines. :eek:

He's just way too righteous (read- finger pointing) to not be hiding a very deep, dark secret of some kind.

Wonder if you could bet on that in VEGAS?

I'll take raging alchoholic with pedophile urges for $1000!:spit:

[scottycards]

It could be asked which fits you, I have seen quite a bit of finger pointing in your posting Scotty. :flipoff2:

What a nice thing to say. Have a great day, man. :D

Ahh, now it makes more sense.



I tend to be one of those angry white men she is talking about.

[Gags]

Wonder if you could bet on that in VEGAS?

I'll take raging alchoholic with pedophile urges for $1000!:spit:

I'll double down on that.

[scottycards]

The ADL chimed in on this.

ADL Decries Rep. Bruce Comments Calling Foreign Workers 'Illiterate Peasants'

Denver, CO, April 22, 2008 ... The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today decried state Rep. Douglas Bruce's (R-Colorado Springs) comments referring to foreign guest workers as "illiterate peasants" who are unneeded in Colorado.

Bruce H. DeBoskey, ADL Mountain States Regional Director, issued the following statement:

Rep. Bruce's comments reflect the bigotry and xenophobia that lay just below the surface of the debate on immigration in this country. In a legislative discussion on a pilot program to permit legal temporary agricultural workers in Colorado, Rep. Bruce's comments unmask the ugly nativist sentiments that underlie the arguments of some opponents of immigration.

Rep. Bruce's rhetoric feeds the hateful, dehumanizing hysteria surrounding the presence of foreign workers in our country, encourages demeaning stereotypes of Latino residents and agricultural workers (whether they are here legally or not), and have been rightly condemned by Colorado's legislative leaders of both parties.

ADL calls upon all leaders in Colorado to resist the temptation to play upon xenophobia, stereotypes and bigotry when discussing the important immigration issues that face our state and our nation.



The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.

[JKTODD]

I think the big question hasn't been asked at all:

















































IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT THE PRICE OF OLATHE SWEET CORN?:eek:

[Tom N]

He makes me laugh. Is that wrong? Oh well.

[Frank Z]

IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT THE PRICE OF OLATHE SWEET CORN?:eek:You can bet your nibblets it will!!

[al24]

Douglas Bruce representing the GOP in CO!

[Gags]

"There's no room for bigotry on the floor of the House," Carroll said.

Now this is the funny sh!t.:D

[Gags]

The ADL chimed in on this.

ADL Decries Rep. Bruce Comments Calling Foreign Workers 'Illiterate Peasants'

Denver, CO, April 22, 2008 ... The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today decried state Rep. Douglas Bruce's (R-Colorado Springs) comments referring to foreign guest workers as "illiterate peasants" who are unneeded in Colorado.

Bruce H. DeBoskey, ADL Mountain States Regional Director, issued the following statement:

Rep. Bruce's comments reflect the bigotry and xenophobia that lay just below the surface of the debate on immigration in this country. In a legislative discussion on a pilot program to permit legal temporary agricultural workers in Colorado, Rep. Bruce's comments unmask the ugly nativist sentiments that underlie the arguments of some opponents of immigration.

Rep. Bruce's rhetoric feeds the hateful, dehumanizing hysteria surrounding the presence of foreign workers in our country, encourages demeaning stereotypes of Latino residents and agricultural workers (whether they are here legally or not), and have been rightly condemned by Colorado's legislative leaders of both parties.

ADL calls upon all leaders in Colorado to resist the temptation to play upon xenophobia, stereotypes and bigotry when discussing the important immigration issues that face our state and our nation.



The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.


I'm thinking a bit white supremicist some dehumanizing with a dash of lingering manifest destiny...

[meatblanket]

I'm thinking a bit white supremicist some dehumanizing with a dash of lingering manifest destiny...

Maybe, or perhaps Dougie has been to Mexico and didn't like it much.;)

[Gags]

Maybe, or perhaps Dougie has been to Mexico and didn't like it much.;)

Don't the French say that about us?:D

[Tom N]

Don't the French say that about us?:D

I blow snot in the French's general direction!

[Loki]

Don't the French say that about us?:D

Yup, right after they surrender. :D

[Taz]

Since he is a Politician, he needs to be politically correct.


Why? I disagree with this statement. I would rather hear what he really believes so that now I know the true person. I wish every politician would do this so you could tell what idiots most of them really are and what they really believe rather than the BS that spills out of their mouths.................

[CSP]

I would rather hear what he really believes so that now I know the true person.

The thing is he could do it without being an arrogant dickhole and still get his point across. How would people react if he started referring to people with down's syndrome as a bunch of retards?

Same thing, different group but I'll bet you'd really see the crap hit the fan.

[Taz]

The thing is he could do it without being an arrogant dickhole and still get his point across. How would people react if he started referring to people with down's syndrome as a bunch of retards?

Same thing, different group but I'll bet you'd really see the crap hit the fan.


The point is now I know he is an arrogant dickhole...........................I did not before as I have not lived here that long. I did not know about his past, but now I do but because he spoke his mind. Like I say I wish all politicians would do this so I know where they really stand.

[TwoDogs]

"Dickhole"??? I thought he was a "douche-nozzle" ?????? :shrug:

BTW: I'll bet he turns out to be a nazi, s&m dungeon master. :flipoff2:

[Oscar]

NO thats the dude from Formula 1

[Tom N]

Pompous Ass fits Bruce pretty well.

[mulliganplummer]

Been a long while since I posted...

This is an example of our country's values and class eroding before our eyes. If I had said this in front of my grandmother, she would have slapped the back of my head. Truth or not, his opinion could have been expressed in a far better way.