spring creek, is it runnable?

[CUBoulder96XJ]

is spring creek open?

[ArloGuthroJeep]

Are you serious?:flipoff2:

[DaJudge]

is spring creek open?
Last year it was first reported open on 6/16 and there was a 5' drift at the top blocking the road to Idaho Springs so you had to exit thru Georgetown or go back through the rock garden. There's more snow this year than last.

[Whitey]

This was May 7th, 2006, not a big snow year.


Sort of flat part of trail before the rock garden.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7d731b3127ccebba46defa83900000036100AYtmzVy1bt2Oghttp://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7d731b3127ccebba46c47e80900000036100AYtmzVy1bt2Og


the rock garden, notice no tire tracks.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7d731b3127ccebba462eee8a700000036100AYtmzVy1bt2Og

[CUBoulder96XJ]

these guys at TrailDamage.com must not know what they're talking about then...

"This is a fun trail that is very accessible because it is close to Denver and low enough in elevation that it can be run very early and late in the year compared to many Colorado trails."

both times i've run it (early May, late June or July, i forget) it was snow-less...oh well, i guess i'll have to wait til later to shred this one

[Leon Phelps]

Heh. With the snow fall, June 1st at the earliest.

[Volcom]

these guys at TrailDamage.com must not know what they're talking about then...

"This is a fun trail that is very accessible because it is close to Denver and low enough in elevation that it can be run very early and late in the year compared to many Colorado trails."

both times i've run it (early May, late June or July, i forget) it was snow-less...oh well, i guess i'll have to wait til later to shred this one

June is considered "early" for quite a few trails in CO :D

[Big Dave]

these guys at TrailDamage.com must not know what they're talking about then...



;)

[scottycards]

...oh well, i guess i'll have to wait til later to shred this one

I dunno know, dude.

"Shred" it in early May and let us know how it goes. :flipoff2:

[DaJudge]

these guys at TrailDamage.com must not know what they're talking about then...

You're right. From now on I'll ignore the wealth of info on that site and rely on your extensive knowlege of trails in Colorado. :tisk:

[jcl2669]

You're right. From now on I'll ignore the wealth of info on that site and rely on your extensive knowlege of trails in Colorado. :tisk:



flame on !!!!! :crybaby:

[CUBoulder96XJ]

so youre saying Traildamage.com is not a reliable source for trail information? I use that, CO4x4, NAXJA, and others to find info on trails. granted i may have not run a wealth of trails (the count's 16 now) but i do know all the trails around Boulder pretty damn well, but i need to find accuate info on others, what do you guys use to research your trail runs? cause im always down to learn about another good site

[DaJudge]

so youre saying Traildamage.com is not a reliable source for trail information? I use that, CO4x4, NAXJA, and others to find info on trails. granted i may have not run a wealth of trails (the count's 16 now) but i do know all the trails around Boulder pretty damn well, but i need to find accuate info on others, what do you guys use to research your trail runs? cause im always down to learn about another good site
No that's NOT what I'm saying. I guess I should have used the tags. Traildamage and 4x4trails.net are terrific resources. It takes a lot of chutzpah for someone who has run 16 trails to say, "
these guys at TrailDamage.com must not know what they're talking about then..."

[fullautodave]

[QUOTE. It takes a lot of chutzpah QUOTE]

What is chutzpah and more importantly just how much is a lot.
:shrug:

[al24]

[QUOTE. It takes a lot of chutzpah QUOTE]

What is chutzpah and more importantly just how much is a lot.
:shrug:
It goes nicely on wheat toast.
More than a tablespoon is too much.

[DaJudge]

[QUOTE. It takes a lot of chutzpah QUOTE]

What is chutzpah and more importantly just how much is a lot.
:shrug:
Chutzpah is the quality of audacity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audacity_%28disambiguation%29), for good or for bad. The word derives from the Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language) word ḥuṣp? (חֻצְפָּה), meaning "insolence", "audacity", and "impertinence". The modern English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language) usage of the word has taken on a wider spectrum of meaning, however, having been popularized through vernacular use, film, literature, and television.

In Hebrew, chutzpah is used indignantly, to describe someone who has over-stepped the boundaries of accepted behavior with no shame. But in Yiddish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiddish) and English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language), chutzpah has developed ambivalent and even positive connotations. Chutzpah can be used to express admiration for non-conformist but gutsy audacity. One common English adaptation of "chutzpah" is "hoodspa", which has a mostly positive connotation. Leo Rosten (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Rosten) in The Joys of Yiddish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Joys_of_Yiddish) defines chutzpah as "gall, brazen nerve, effrontery, incredible 'guts,' presumption plus arrogance such as no other word and no other language can do justice to." In this sense, chutzpah expresses both strong disapproval and a grudging admiration.

One example given of the ultimate of chutzpah is: "A boy, having just been convicted of murdering his parents, begs the judge for leniency because he is an orphan."

[jimfoo]

But Traildamage isn't 100% accurate, as in this quote about Slaughterhouse saying it's ok to go in the mud pits when it isn't.
"Take Crow Creek for about a half mile to find the Mud Pits. This is an optional playground with plenty of room to play (or turn around). The mud changes throughout the year and between years. It's always deep, always big, and always messy fun."

[CUBoulder96XJ]

im just saying ive done Spring Creek twice and snow has never been a problem, and i was curious what the conditions would be like in late April, i knew it was a long shot, but you never really know in CO, the weathers always so random

btw, im right in saying they dont know what they're talking about when it comes to Spring Creek, look at the trail description and all the replys about the trails current condition. what they say is very mis-leading, if someone didnt belong to this board or another one, they could follow what Traildamage.com says about the trail, drive an hour or two there, and not even be able to run it, what a bummer that would be. maybe i just see it that way, but whatever, i didnt even run, ran Carnage instead and still had a good time

[Big Dave]

But Traildamage isn't 100% accurate, as in this quote about Slaughterhouse saying it's ok to go in the mud pits when it isn't.
"Take Crow Creek for about a half mile to find the Mud Pits. This is an optional playground with plenty of room to play (or turn around). The mud changes throughout the year and between years. It's always deep, always big, and always messy fun."


That's what prompted my ;) earlier.

[CUBoulder96XJ]

You're right. From now on I'll ignore the wealth of info on that site and rely on your extensive knowlege of trails in Colorado. :tisk:

they have some inaccurate and misleading info thats all, otherwise its a great site, i use it all the time

and if you wanna rely on a 20 yr old's basic trail info, be my guest :D i cant guarantee you i know where im going (thats half the fun sometimes, right? haha)

[jimfoo]

For current conditions, Bushducks (http://www.bushducks.com/tripreps/passopen.htm) is a good place, other than this forum of course. Although sometimes they aren't quite up to date either.

[Whitey]

...... drive an hour or two there, and not even be able to run it, what a bummer that would be......

Geeze, if that's the only reason for going, to run a trail, why go at all? Let's say you go, break and can't finish the run. Is working still more fun? :D

I say, if a trail, or, more important to me, an area, is what you are interested in, check it out. WTF do you think we did before the internet? Even before Jeep Clubs. :shrug:

Don't be so heavy into relying on someone else that you can't take the initiative to find out on your own, even if it means not finding 'your nirvana' that particular day.

[RJsfun]

Geeze, if that's the only reason for going, to run a trail, why go at all? Let's say you go, break and can't finish the run. Is working still more fun? :D

I say, if a trail, or, more important to me, an area, is what you are interested in, check it out. WTF do you think we did before the internet? Even before Jeep Clubs. :shrug:

Don't be so heavy into relying on someone else that you can't take the initiative to find out on your own, even if it means not finding 'your nirvana' that particular day.


Awesome....simply awesome. :thumbsup:

[J Kimmel]

I say, if a trail, or, more important to me, an area, is what you are interested in, check it out. WTF do you think we did before the internet? Even before Jeep Clubs. :shrug:


:laughing:

thats funny, I remember many times as a kid getting to the last couple hundred yards of places like Tincup or Webster or Mosquito only to be turned around by a 50 ft snow drift :)

[CUBoulder96XJ]

i know im not the only one who would be pissed if i took someones info, drove an hour and a half to the trailhead only to find it blocked by snow, when i head out to wheel, i wanna wheel a full-on trail, challenge myself and my rig...have fun, i really dont think its fun when a trail is blocked, granted anytime spent wheelin is time well spent though...

[Snotty]

lol, I always wait for the 20 somethings to try and hit the trails early and then give reports of snow. Usually sometime in May we get a post that says open.

Mountain trails can be counted on as open June/July to August/September. May is consider "Early" here.

[Friscokidd]

:popcorn:

[jimfoo]

lol, I always wait for the 20 somethings to try and hit the trails early and then give reports of snow. Usually sometime in May we get a post that says open.

Mountain trails can be counted on as open June/July to August/September. May is consider "Early" here.

Sometimes us 40 somethings like to hit the trail and give reports. I remember hitting Spring Creek one year with all 4 chained and being the first one to the rock garden. Snow got deeper after that, so we quit, but it was fun. The thing is you can NEVER count on a trail being open on or until a certain date here. http://forum.solihullsociety.org/cphoto/albums/userpics/normal_DSC02665.JPG
Example- Twin Cone Jan 18, 2004. Almost any Jan, you would never make it anywhere near this far, but we drove up there for the hell of it, to see how far we could make it. Between time and a deep drift, we didn't make the top, but had we wanted to, I bet we could have.

[Red_Chili]

i know im not the only one who would be pissed if i took someones info, drove an hour and a half to the trailhead only to find it blocked by snow, ...
No, you are not the only one to rely on others and get pissed.

After a few decades of having others rely on you and finding out how hard that is, you mellow.

You also carry spares, survival gear, and first aid if you take my meaning. And you make sure you have what you need to make it, break it, fix it, and come home. Every day is a good day.

The TrailDamage folks are good folks, I have met them and wheeled with them. But I don't rely on them for anything but pleasant company and usually good info. And that is good enough.

[Red_Chili]

Sometimes us 40 somethings like to hit the trail and give reports...

Yeah, but reports from youth are unreliable... :spit:

[CUBoulder96XJ]

You also carry spares, survival gear, and first aid if you take my meaning. And you make sure you have what you need to make it, break it, fix it, and come home. Every day is a good day.

The TrailDamage folks are good folks, I have met them and wheeled with them. But I don't rely on them for anything but pleasant company and usually good info. And that is good enough.

i agree, i carry all that stuff (learned from experience of course), and im not trying bash Traildamage.com, i have gotten a lot of good info from them, i was just seriously misled by their info on Spring Creek

[ColoradoXJ]

lol, I always wait for the 20 somethings to try and hit the trails early and then give reports of snow. Usually sometime in May we get a post that says open.


glad we can help ya old farts :flipoff2:

[Big Dave]

glad we can help ya old farts :flipoff2:

This from the guy who wanted to hook up some odd contraption of straps and pulleys to right Noah's Rubi on Wheeler Lake when it all took was a few <40 y.o. guys to lift it back up onto the wheels?? :flipoff2:

[mikee_357]

:shrug:

[ColoradoXJ]

This from the guy who wanted to hook up some odd contraption of straps and pulleys to right Noah's Rubi on Wheeler Lake when it all took was a few <40 y.o. guys to lift it back up onto the wheels?? :flipoff2:

what? i was thinking SAFETY :P