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[Oscar]

The VT thingwas tragic but I don't understand how the Universty or state is liable. Not that is not good to see them helping out.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,349648,00.html

[Loki]

If the University prohibited students from carrying concealed weapons, then the University is responsible for their protection. If this was the case they obviously failed these students and their familys in that responsibility. IMHO

[Oscar]

Possibly

[Colin]

It's obvious that the security policies need revamped, would have doing so prevented the VT tragedy? I very much doubt it. Could have been much less of a situation, though.

I hate how sue happy this country is. I feel for the families who lost loved ones. I really do, but is that 11M going to bring back their loved ones? I think not. Some people will say that money is the only thing that speaks these days, so maybe that will force VT to change, as if they were just going to ignore it?

In response to Loki, the idea of kids carrying on my or any campus scares the fawk out of me.

[Loki]

In response to Loki, the idea of kids carrying on my or any campus scares the fawk out of me.

So young adults who have taken the courses and passed to obtain a CCW and carry a weapon for self protection, scares you more than a deranged gun man willing to kill anyone and everyone including himself??? :confused:

Not trying to turn this into a CCW debate, but your thinking scares the fawk out of me.

[Oscar]

As I understand it which really ain't saying much but if you can legally own a weapon you can carry it on your hip unconcealed and you don't need ccw. BUt back on topic you can't plan for everything and a determined person doesn't care about rules and laws

[jeeplvr79]

BUt back on topic you can't plan for everything and a determined person doesn't care about rules and laws

SO TRUE!!!... No matter what measures they could/should/would have in place... anyone the wants to get around them will!

It's easy to look back and say what if....

But I agree a lawsuit only makes the greedy richer and will not bring back the ones lost. I hope now the families can grieve and get closer.

[Colin]

So young adults who have taken the courses and passed to obtain a CCW and carry a weapon for self protection, scares you more than a deranged gun man willing to kill anyone and everyone including himself??? :confused:

Not trying to turn this into a CCW debate, but your thinking scares the fawk out of me.

I'm not against CCW one bit, I plan on getting mine when I turn the appropriate age. I just don't think some people at college are responsible enough to carry a weapon on campus. As much drinking and partying that happens on campus...it just doesn't seem like a good idea. I admit, I do not know what qualifies an individual to obtain a CCW, but I wonder if they can really gauge maturity?

A more adequate security force and possible very select armed teachers/professors seems more of a reasonable solution to me.

[Loki]

BUt back on topic you can't plan for everything and a determined person doesn't care about rules and laws


SO TRUE!!!... No matter what measures they could/should/would have in place... anyone the wants to get around them will!



Zactly! Nobody can protect me better than I can protect myself. So no business/university/private entity should prohibit me from protecting myself, when I've obtained the proper paperwork to do so.

and Colin, Bringing a weapon into a partying situation where alcohol is involved is never a good Idea. But I would think that partying is done outside of the classrooms/buildings where these students lost their lives.

Ok, sorry for the constant hijack. I'll sit back and watch now.

:popcorn:

[Budman]

I'm not against CCW one bit, I plan on getting mine when I turn the appropriate age. I just don't think some people at college are responsible enough to carry a weapon on campus. As much drinking and partying that happens on campus...it just doesn't seem like a good idea. I admit, I do not know what qualifies an individual to obtain a CCW, but I wonder if they can really gauge maturity?

A more adequate security force and possible very select armed teachers/professors seems more of a reasonable solution to me.


I think if you would go do a little research on what it takes to obtain one, you would probably not worry so much about it. Also having a concealed weapon (even with the proper permit) while under the influence will cost you your right to own/carry a weapon.

[Yucca-Man]

I'm not against CCW one bit, I plan on getting mine when I turn the appropriate age. I just don't think some people at college are responsible enough to carry a weapon on campus.I don't think some people at college are responsible enough to:

...drive a car. Yet they do (and they consider it a right)

...vote.

...have kids.

...think.

Yet, they still do. Don't forget that college students are also old enough to enlist in the Armed Forces of the United States, which includes training to safely handle weapons much more powerful than a Glock. So are they still 'kids' in your opinion?

A more adequate security force and possible very select armed teachers/professors seems more of a reasonable solution to me.Adequate security force on a campus sprawled out over multiple city blocks? What do you expect them to do, fence the place and control access? And I don't exepect I'd ever see the professors in the CSU Department of Socialism...errr...Sociology arm themselves.

[Colorado_Baja]

As I understand it which really ain't saying much but if you can legally own a weapon you can carry it on your hip unconcealed and you don't need ccw.

Used to be a guy that wondered around downtown Colorado Springs with a pump shot gun with smilie face stickers... hes not around anymore..

[potter]

I think if you would go do a little research on what it takes to obtain one

$125. Background Check, run by the sheriff's office. And a certificate saying you took some sort of training course ($50 from your local gun shop/range).

It's not like it's hard to obtain a CCW. At least I thought it was very very very easy. (not arguing with ccw laws btw, just saying)

[Pilot]

$125. Background Check, run by the sheriff's office. And a certificate saying you took some sort of training course ($50 from your local gun shop/range).

It's not like it's hard to obtain a CCW. At least I thought it was very very very easy. (not arguing with ccw laws btw, just saying)

I hold a CCW permit from Douglas County. It was relatively easy to get. Took the course, did the paperwork, paid the fees and had the CBI check, etc. However, the 2nd Amendment guarantees our right to keep and Bare arms. All these hoops we have to go through is really a violation of our Constitutional Rights. The U.S. is a "Shall Issue" country. States have no right to destroy or limit this right.

[Budman]

$125. Background Check, run by the sheriff's office. And a certificate saying you took some sort of training course ($50 from your local gun shop/range).

It's not like it's hard to obtain a CCW. At least I thought it was very very very easy. (not arguing with ccw laws btw, just saying)

You forgot one very important point. The age requirement.

18-12-203. Criteria for obtaining a permit.
(1) Beginning May 17, 2003, except as otherwise provided in this section, a sheriff shall issue a permit to carry a concealed handgun to an applicant who:

(a) Is a legal resident of the state of Colorado. For purposes of this part 2, a person who is a member of the armed forces and is stationed pursuant to permanent duty station orders at a military installation in this state, and a member of the person's immediate family living in Colorado, shall be deemed to be a legal resident of the state of Colorado.

(b) Is twenty-one years of age or older;

How many of your classmates meet this requirement??? I'll bet less than 25%.

Copied from: (http://cbi.state.co.us/ccw/Statutes/18-12-203.asp)

[Waifer2112]

So young adults who have taken the courses and passed to obtain a CCW and carry a weapon for self protection, scares you more than a deranged gun man willing to kill anyone and everyone including himself??? :confused:

Not trying to turn this into a CCW debate, but your thinking scares the fawk out of me.


Actually, I'm surprised it took 5 posts to get there!

[Budman]

Actually, I'm surprised it took 5 posts to get there!

I thought you were only a week day poster.

BTW: the reason it took so long is because of the time zone difference for me. of course I don't know what Yota's excuse is. He is supposed to be picking up the slack for me when I am not around.

:beer:

[Loki]

I actually mentioned CCW in the 1st reply. :confused:

[Waifer2112]

I thought you were only a week day poster.

BTW: the reason it took so long is because of the time zone difference for me. of course I don't know what Yota's excuse is. He is supposed to be picking up the slack for me when I am not around.

:beer:


I finally joined the 90's and got the interturd at home. So now I can bother you 24 hrs. a day! :beer:

[Budman]

Outstanding!!!!