Bolder Boulder

[Explorerguy]

I am planning on walking the Bolder Boulder again this year, it will be my second year.

Just wondering if anyone else is either running or walking?

[CannonBall]

ran a 10k yesterday, I should be good to run it come memorial day. I'm not fast but it's part of my getting in shape routine.
-Nate

[Trango]

Running here. I do it for the Michelob Ultra.

[bsaunder]

running - hoping to get into a qualifying wave, until a month ago I had never ran more than 4 miles at one time, so the training has been fun.

[Trango]

FYI - if anyone on here ever wants an introduction to the complete and total awesomeness that is the South Boulder trail system, let me know. Once you can run, say, 6 miles at a decent pace, you'd be fit enough for me to take you on some stuff that will Blow. Your. Mind.

[scottycards]

It is awesome, huh Trango? :D

Wife and I will be doing BB.

I do it for the cigarette I get to have after......:smokin:

[CannonBall]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/health/nutrition/27best.html?_r=1&ex=1364270400&en=e12b356068fe4baa&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

Just so you guys can keep training hard!
I'm planning on trying to qualify D or DB wave, I'm not fast but at least I could get in a group of similarly fit people.
-Nate

http://www.bolderboulder.com/Assets/_assets/pdf/comparechart08.pdf
That's the qualifying time PDF.

[bsaunder]

dang you guys - I can still sprint a 22sec 200m, play soccer with college kids, and can hang with Cat3s in road bicycle racing; but I can't seem to break much into the 50min range for a 10k yet. This running endurance thing is nuts. At this point I'll be very happy with an E wave classification.

[Trango]

You need long, slow distance, emphasis on all three of those elements. This is a surefire way to build endurance.

[bsaunder]

yea - I've been doing 3-4 1-2hr runs per week in heart rate zones 1-3 and have been seeing a lot of improvement (5k time from 55min to 28min in 3months), so its paying off. Just a whole new world of running from what I'm used to, I'm very much a sprinter by my muscle build, so endurance is an entire new challenge - and one reason why I like it.

[Trango]

Right on - that's a hell of an improvement.

BTW I'm starting to train with a heart rate monitor... your post is another appreciated reminder of the benefits of being more consistent.

[CannonBall]

I ran a 5k in ~27-28 without training much, I'm shooting for <55 10k. Got intervals today, I'm trying to build a good base and do one or two longer runs per week. I'm hoping that I can knock out a 10k easy by memorial day. I wish they had a fat guy class, I figure if I stick to my training at best I'll be in the 220 range by the race, I'm just shooting for "pretty fast for a fat guy."
-Nate

[SuicideTireZJ]

Ran cross country in HS like 5 years ago and then let myself go. On a weightloss/fitness plan and need to be able to do 10k in under 50min. Not too hard on a track, but I'm trying for about 55min with hills and such. I did it a couple years ago in just over an hour (1:03ish)

[bsaunder]

I ran a 5k in ~27-28 without training much, I'm shooting for <55 10k. Got intervals today, I'm trying to build a good base and do one or two longer runs per week. I'm hoping that I can knock out a 10k easy by memorial day. I wish they had a fat guy class, I figure if I stick to my training at best I'll be in the 220 range by the race, I'm just shooting for "pretty fast for a fat guy."
-Nate


I hear ya on the fat guy class - working a desk job and not having enough good snacks around has killed me. I'm all about the clydesdale class in the duathlons I'm doing this year, at the rate I'm going though, I may be a non clyde by cyclocross season..

[CannonBall]

It's a win/win though. If you get below their weight then you're in good shape, if you're above their weight you're "really fast for someone your size." I have to do some more riding, I'm just getting back on my road bike doing short 10 mile rides, I want to go for a nice 30 mile ride on some nice day. My goal is to do mount evans some time this summer.
-Nate

[bsaunder]

Right on - that's a hell of an improvement.

BTW I'm starting to train with a heart rate monitor... your post is another appreciated reminder of the benefits of being more consistent.

Thanks - the heart rate monitor has helped me a bit, if nothing else it is a reminder to back off as I tend to go way too hard at the start. This year I decided to actually try and train with a plan so I've been using trainingpeaks and have been very impressed with the results so far. The random training that I've always done before got me in shape, but not nearly as fast as a structured program has so far - and by being structured, my heart rate monitor has become much more of a useful tool rather than a nice gee-wiz gadet.

[Explorerguy]

I have to say for all you guys that are running the BB I'm impressed, my back won't allow me to run.

I'll just be happy to walk/jog it & beat my time of 1:24 (I think) minutes from last year.

[jnschwie]

If my knee is not beyond fawked, I'm in.

I'll find out in about another week.

[Explorerguy]

It will be fun, doing the Bolder Boulder Monday, then the next Sunday is Elephant Rock. :thumbsup:

[scottycards]

I did 5K at a moderate pace last night. It is tempting to try to go as fast as possible, but I reminded myself that training more frequently and at a lower intensity level is good right now, still 2 months away.

[TJay]

One of these years... always seems like I've got something that won't allow me to get up there for that race. Got that weekend set aside to move the fiance's stuff into my place :eek: Running the Garden of the Gods 10M the following weekend though.

[jnschwie]

It will be fun, doing the Bolder Boulder Monday, then the next Sunday is Elephant Rock. :thumbsup:



I was going to ask who is doing that and what.

[Explorerguy]

Today was the first day to get signed up & they had a promotion going on at Dick's at Flatiron mills mall that if you were one of the first 100 people you got a pair of Crocs so I thought; what the heck I would check it out.

Got there an hour early & was number 79 so I get a pair of shoes, but they have to ship them in 3 weeks.

The nice thing is I have all my information, so I don't have to go pick it up someplace.

Looking for another nice day for a walk. :D

[jnschwie]

You riding the full century with your buddy you said?

:beer:

[bsaunder]

I'll be doing the 35mile route for E-rock, pulling my daughter in her Chariot on my commuter bike; going to be a load near 100lbs so that should be a good workout going up the initial 4 mile hill :D

For now - trying to get my 5k time down so I can run a good race at the Ryan elementary 5K in 17 days and get a decent wave assignment for the Bolder Boulder

[jnschwie]

How does that wave assignment work?

If you don't have a previous race (in how long? I have a 10K from last year, nothing this year), you go at the end with the masses?

I am really starting to think my knee is serious enough to keep me out of it, but I'm curious. Didn't get in on it last year due to something else. :confused:

[scottycards]

You can submit times from other races, but it used to be only times from approved races- don't know if that's still the case. Also, I think the time has to be less than a year old.

Or, you can just run the Cherry Creek Sneak this year, and use that time. I'll end up doing that, most likely.

Being back of the pack in the BB brings the suck.

[jnschwie]

You can submit times from other races, but it used to be only times from approved races- don't know if that's still the case. Also, I think the time has to be less than a year old.

Or, you can just run the Cherry Creek Sneak this year, and use that time. I'll end up doing that, most likely.

Being back of the pack in the BB brings the suck.

Odd it is not listed as "approved" but it looks like they'd take my Golden Gallop (http://goldengallop.org/) time if I sent in the PDF or link. :shrug:

I'd only be in "EB" wave. Would that be worth it (ie. out of the "back of the pack")?


I'll have to hear what this orthopod says on Monday anyway. :(


Edit: Yeah, I'm pretty slow myself. :)

[scottycards]

Anything is better than random assignment, for sure.

Rats- just checked and I'll be out of town for CC Sneak.........

[jnschwie]

I haven't run in over 7 weeks anyway. :laughing:

[Explorerguy]

You riding the full century with your buddy you said?

:beer:
Yes I'm doing the 100 (century) mile ride. Went to a cycling training seminar for the e-rock & it was helpful.

Looking forward to both the e-rock & the Bolder Boulder..

[jnschwie]

So, I'm looking at my tri splits from last year. If I use the extrapolation chart..... I actually run faster after I swim & bike, than when I just wake up and run. :confused: In fact, if I were allowed to use THOSE, I'd easily move forward multiple waves. (WTF?)

Also odd....the harder I trained last summer, the slower I got. :confused:

[bsaunder]

I'd say when you run in the morning, you aren't fully warmed up yet. Also, you don't have the pressure and adrenaline of a race, most people will push harder in a race and therefore be faster.
If you had a decline in your speed as you trained, then you weren't training correctly. Most likely over training, but couldn't say without knowing a lot more. Also if you are really planning on doing well in certain events, you need to build up to them and then taper before them - pushing hard right up to the event will only hurt you and not help you.

[jnschwie]

Yeah on all that, but there was more, as you said.

My swim and bike reduced drastically, run increased slightly. I think I really came to depend on the bike instead of run, so I dropped a lot of effort there.

The run race was not tapered for and it was a last second afterthought.

I have detailed spreadsheets of the training from last year -trying to follow Friel's book and the advice of a buddy....but I think there were a lot of reasons for a bad race that day. I did (and do) taper, but not necessarily appropriately. Also, fuel and hydration are chronic problems for me.

For running, I was trying to follow the F.I.R.S.T. book, but only half-ass. It isn't the easiest thing in the world.



Edit: As it stands, between the knee and the fact that BB is already an "afterthought" I probably shouldn't even think about it. The race this weekend was signed up for on a total whim, but I do that all the time. I expect DFL. I've only picked 2 "A" races, (one tri, one pure cycling race) for the summer, although I have a near A late in season. Hopefully I can get my chit put back together by then. :(

[jnschwie]

Yeah, I'm definitely out. :laughing:

I just got talked to the surgeon's nurse. I'm teeing up for that soon. She said to plan for a week off work. (The good news).

Also, depending on date, she wouldn't rule out tri come semi-early in summer. Depends on healing and pain.

[bsaunder]

ouch - getting some arthroscopic surgery done then??

[jnschwie]

Yeppers.

On the plus side, I think I can parlay this sympathy card into one of the new bicycles I've been looking at from my wife, since running will be out for a while. :D

[bsaunder]

might have to make a trip up to steamboat while you're recovering just in case :cool:

[jnschwie]

:laughing:

One of the two companies from Steamboat is sending something on down to me. :D If I dig it, I'll have to decide between the two.

:beer:

[Matt]

I did it with my girl back in 2003 and I think I'll try running it this year again. But I'm NOT starting in the BA heat (I quickly learned I can run a 6 minute mile, but not for 6.2 miles!).

I've been running a couple miles every other day, time to start kicking things up a notch.

[Explorerguy]

Three weeks from tomorrow & counting so I thought I better go to the gym & at least walk four miles to see how I feel.
Warmed up with a half hour on the elliptical machine then went to the treadmill & walked an hour at 4.0-4.2 MPH since that is the speed I hope to walk at.

I've been doing the elliptical pretty regularly but since I've been riding bike I haven't been to the gym for a week.

Felt good after the four miles & seemed like I would be ready to go, but then this morning my legs were hurting & my ankle hurt so I better spend a few more hours walking to get my feet used to it.

I can't believe I can ride my bike 60 miles & feel pretty good, but I get sore just walking four miles of walking. :mad:

At least the next week I'll be taking it easier on my riding so I'll have time to rest for the elephant rock ride, can't wait!!!

[jnschwie]

Yeah, you gotta do both. Its totally different.

[bsaunder]

Yeah, you gotta do both. Its totally different.

yup - I could ride 200miles without an issue and hang with Cat3 guys for 20-30miles in a bike race last year. But I couldn't run a mile to save my life as I'd taken ~3 years off of running.
The good thing is that with the biking, your cardio is there, you just need to get your legs used to it again.

[CannonBall]

I'm in a similar place, I always attributed the run/bike difference to the fact that I'm 220+ pounds, and running seems to be affected by weight more than biking. I can bike 2+ hours, not be sore, and feel great, well I can run (jog) up to about 4 miles and feel really good but more sore the next day. My knees have been feeling good lately though, I still haven't signed up for the bolder boulder, and the longer I wait th emore I might just not try and qualify, or just jump in and run it, or just run a 10k that day in the hills.

On the biking thing, anyone want to try evans later this summer?
-Nate

[jnschwie]

On the biking thing, anyone want to try evans later this summer?
-Nate

Yes. Hit me up backchannel with some serious lead time. My club rides it periodically.

[Trango]

I don't want to be a dick here, just making an observation:

I have seen alot of really hefty cyclists, especially old dudes on road bikes. Although you see guys who are also pretty hefty out on the trails, you don't see the same ..... girth. And, guys I know who've put themselves on weight loss programs, don't really lose that much weight when cycling unless they're going out and killing themselves.

[bsaunder]

I don't want to be a dick here, just making an observation:

I have seen alot of really hefty cyclists, especially old dudes on road bikes. Although you see guys who are also pretty hefty out on the trails, you don't see the same ..... girth. And, guys I know who've put themselves on weight loss programs, don't really lose that much weight when cycling unless they're going out and killing themselves.

It's a good observation - another part of it is that it is very easy to over fuel while on a bike when not in a race; not so easy to do while running. I'll fully admit I fall into the fat guy category right now; seeing pictures of me at races disgust me. I was putting in ~300miles a week last year on my bike and was having a heck of a time loosing fat, since I've started running regularly this year I've dropped ~20lbs. I still annoy the heck out of the 140lb 6' tall cyclists when I can easily hang with them on the flats and kill them in the sprints; but now they don't dust me as bad on the climbs.:D cycling is almost pure cardio with any weight as a disadvantage for climbing. Running is cardio and muscle endurance.

I'll be signing up for the BB tomorrow night - EC wave for me, just glad to be out of the "f"s :D

[CannonBall]

One issue could be people underestimating the number of calories burned why cycling, while I don?t typically fuel while biking, I may consider a long ride to be enough to allow me to pig out that day and blow the whole workout. Large people may bike also because of the lack of impact, I can bike every day, but if I run every day my knees kill me. Like has been stated weight just seems to be more of a disadvantage for runners more so than cyclists. I think I?ll take a run today and plan on qualifying some time this week, if I can drop 15-20 pounds I think I?d be in good shape to do both. Bottom line really is that biking is fun and running is work to me, I?d rather bike for an hour than run for 30 minutes.
-Nate

[Explorerguy]

My problem is after a long ride I want to eat like crazy, I guess I need to work at eating during the ride. :rolleyes:

I figure it this way, no matter what we do as long as we are moving it is better then being a couch potato.

[Trango]

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm very positive on both activities.

[jnschwie]

When I was *only* running, my weight was about 10lbs more than it is now.

Incidentally, these days I am nearly completely NOT running. Against better judgement, I may try to tick off 2-3 miles, though, later today after a swim.

[bsaunder]

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm very positive on both activities.

come on and admit it --- you were beaten up by a fat kid when you were young weren't you:flipoff2:

[bsaunder]

When I was *only* running, my weight was about 10lbs more than it is now.

Incidentally, these days I am nearly completely NOT running. Against better judgement, I may try to tick off 2-3 miles, though, later today after a swim.

aren't you supposed to be hobbled and waiting surgery?? - don't make it worse than it is

[jnschwie]

aren't you supposed to be hobbled and waiting surgery?? - don't make it worse than it is

I don't know if I'm supposed to hobble or not.

Activity (running/biking/swimming) is like the only time I don't notice it. Well, the first time I tried running was brutal, but not the last few.

It mostly hurts sitting, standing, or doing stairs.

Like anything, I got eleventybillion opinions, but the official one from the ortho office was that I "wouldn't mess it up any worse."

:shrug:

We'll see.

[jnschwie]

One consistent advice I got, though, was to strengthen the quads as much as possible until then. Tomorrow is group ride, so I'm not cycling tonight.

[bsaunder]

I don't know if I'm supposed to hobble or not.

Activity (running/biking/swimming) is like the only time I don't notice it. Well, the first time I tried running was brutal, but not the last few.

It mostly hurts sitting, standing, or doing stairs.

Like anything, I got eleventybillion opinions, but the official one from the ortho office was that I "wouldn't mess it up any worse."

:shrug:

We'll see.

eh - we all have opinions, if the ortho said you can't mess it up worse, then game on :D

[Explorerguy]

Had the day off today, went to the eye doctor & then went to the dentist so I need to go get rid of some frustration, so I'm going to go climb some hills. :eek: :D That should cure me!

[CannonBall]

I wish I still lived in boulder, I would take out my anger on flagstaff or NCAR hill, both just fun hills.

I just ran 2 on the road today in just over 17. I had some left, I'm going to give it a shot on the treadmill wednesday to shoot for 16:50 and if that's succesful, friday I'm going to shoot for E class qualifying. I'm trying to change my stride so I don't bounce as much, I'm wasting too much energy hopping my fat butt up into the air, oh well.

-Nate

[Trango]

Ugh. I just did interval runs, total distance 5 miles. First time I've run on the street for time in..... maybe a year? I wish I would have started sooner - if I do three of these a week, I'll be right at 10. I often say that running is pretty excruciating (the actual terminology I use is "it sucks") for the first 10 times. I figure the same logic applies to speedwork.

Those Michelob ultras at the BB finish are going to be so sweet. I think I'll keep it to under 6 this time.

[bsaunder]

Tomorrow's the day - good luck to all of those running!

[Explorerguy]

Doesn't look like the weather is going to be as nice as it was last year, might have to take some extra cloths this year.

Good luck everyone & have a great time!!!!!

[Matt]

Good Luck everyone!

/says the guy sitting at work

[bsaunder]

That was fun - weather wasn't too bad actually, about right temp wise for me. I tried a long taper in my training before the BB and I think I tapered too much - I turned in much faster times at the Barking dog duathlon two weeks ago than I did today. Still had a lot of fun and finished in my wave estimate time, so all good, now to keep training so I can beat my time next year and maybe take my father in law next time (beat me by ~2min this year).

[CannonBall]

I have to not wuss out and just sign up months in advance. I did have a killer 27.3 mile ride in just over an hour and a half >17mph average, biking to me is fun where running is like work.
-Nate

[Trango]

I totally blew up. I got 5 hours of sleep last night and blew up over the first four miles - my training should have put me in the 42 minute category, but I BARELY broke 44 minutes.

Super ouch. I was over 185BPM for the entire race, and at the end of the race, I wasn't really aware of anything in the stadium. Ouch.

Naptime after 6 mich ultras.

[Explorerguy]

I have to not wuss out and just sign up months in advance. I did have a killer 27.3 mile ride in just over an hour and a half >17mph average, biking to me is fun where running is like work.
-Nate
I will take riding a bike any day over this running/jogging/walking stuff that's for sure.

Not sure but I think I did it in 1 hour & 17 minutes so that beat my time from last year by 4 minutes.

I don't know, you guys that run are just crazy, I couldn't do that. I'm impressed with the times I heard of people running.

Now I can get back to getting ready for E-rock!!!!!!

[CannonBall]

You doing the E-rock century? My sister in law (almost) told me about it yesterday, I think I'm gonna shoot for the 65er (metric century ;)

-Nate

[Explorerguy]

You doing the E-rock century?
-Nate
Yes sir, well be my first one. Met a guy at the BB that is also doing it & said I'll have a blast. Sure hope the weather is nicer then what it was today.

At least we didn't have WIND today.....:D

[CannonBall]

Well if you see a fat guy on a white specialized allez wearing non biking clothes, that's me. If I do the 100k I'll be on the 100 mile course through 25 miles.
-Nate

[Explorerguy]

Well if you see a fat guy on a white specialized allez wearing non biking clothes, that's me. If I do the 100k I'll be on the 100 mile course through 25 miles.
-Nate
I will be the fat guy with a group wearing Hypoxia jerseys, but I'll have my University jersey on riding my Specialized Roubaix :D

[CannonBall]

ugg, I started at 6 I finished at 10:30 ~14.5mph avg, I stopped only at the midpoint to pee and grab some quick food. Top speed of 53, gravity loves fat guys. How'd the 100 go? My roommate did it and it took him somewhere around 8 hours, his average speed was the same as mine, but he stopped several times (the counters stop when you stop moving) so his ride time to actual time was an hour different. Even he'll admit he should have stuck with the 65, his longest ride EVER before today was like 29 miles. Hope all went well with you. I was a bit miffed by the lack of free food, oh well.
-Nate

[bsaunder]

Hope ya guys had fun!

My wife and I decided that the max length of 35miles allowed with a kid trailer wasn't long enough so we made our own route using the bike paths through Westminster/arvada/denver and made our way to REI flagship, with lunch at My Brother's Bar, and then home. Ended up being a great ride - and free other than lunch. I'll definitely say though, with pulling a kid trailer, you might as well have a huge parachute attached to the back of the bike....

[Explorerguy]

I MADE IT!!!!!

Ended up taking us 9 hours but 6:40 on the bike. We stopped at every rest stop & when you have 8 people it takes a while to get everyone going again.

If you ask me the first 10 miles was the worse, I am not a quick starter that''s for sure.

I loved the ride back from the Lake, top gear, down hill & wind at the back we cruised!!!!! I only max at 47.2 but two got to 51.9.
I also liked roller coaster road, that was a lot of fun.

Our average speed was 15.3 so that was really good.

There was two of us that had never done a century & we both did well I think.

It was a lot of fun, met some really nice people. Met some other people from the club Hypoxia from the Denver area.

My folks also went with me & they couldn't believe everything. They even had fun watching everyone coming back over the finish line.

[jnschwie]

Nice. :beer:

[CannonBall]

That's awesome, I got hung out a lot... at 6am there weren't many people on the 65mile route so there was no draft help, not that I COULD have hung with them, with a group I think I would have been able to push harder, but I'm happy. Awesome job on the 100, my roomie was just in completely agony.
-Nate

[Explorerguy]

I can't believe it but I'm not near as sore riding as I was when I finished the Bolder Boulder.

Could be because I did more riding then I did jogging.

[bsaunder]

good job!