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DaJudge
March 25th, 2008, 03:40 PM
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(http://www.govexec.com/)Armed services having trouble finding qualified recruits

By Otto Kreisher CongressDaily (http://www.nationaljournal.com/about/congressdaily) March 24, 2008


The armed services' struggle to attract the number of young men and
women needed each year to maintain their required force levels is
increasingly handicapped by a hard set of demographic facts that sharply
reduces the pool of potential recruits and by emotional barriers that may
block access to the best prospects.

"We should not lose sight of the fact that, although the youth population is
large, a relatively small proportion of American youth is qualified to enlist,"
David Chu, undersecretary of Defense for personnel and readiness, testified
recently. "It is an unfortunate fact that many in the contemporary youth
population are currently ineligible to serve."

Chu and service officials point out that only about three of every 10
Americans of military age -- generally considered 17 to 24 years old -- can
meet the standards for military service.

In testimony to Congress, Chu cited the grim statistics: About 35 percent
are medically disqualified, with obesity a large contributing factor; 18
percent are barred due to a record of abusing drugs or alcohol; 5 percent
have serious conduct/criminal problems; 6 percent have too many
dependents, and 9 percent scored in the lowest aptitude category on the
enlistment test. Another 10 percent are qualified but considered unavailable
because they are attending college.

That leaves fewer than 5 million potential recruits out of the total of about
31 million Americans of age to serve in the military. From that reduced field,
the services need about 300,000 recruits a year for their active, reserve
and National Guard forces.

The number of potential recruits is reduced by the Pentagon's requirement -
- based on years of studies on what qualities indicate a high probability of
being able to perform necessary tasks and completing a term of enlistment
-- that 90 percent of recruits have a high school diploma, or a GED.

Nationally, 70 percent of young people graduate from high school, with the
averages as low as 50 percent in some urban areas and among minorities.
Military recruiting officials note that many young people with high school
diplomas cannot pass the enlistment tests.

To make the situation worse, access to that limited pool of eligible recruits
often is blocked by opposition from parents, teachers or other influencers,
or by a young person's inclinations. Service leaders say the percentage of
military aged Americans indicating any interest in military service is the
lowest on record.

In the face of these limits, the services are taking extraordinary steps to
meet recruiting quotas. The Army, which must attract about 170,000 new
soldiers this year for its active and reserve force, initiated programs to help
young men or women get their GED or pass the aptitude tests and one that
gives slightly overweight individuals a year after enlisting to meet weight
standards. All of the services provide some waivers for the high school
education requirement or other factors.

Again, the Army has had to use this authority the most, offering three times
as many this year as in 2005. Army Secretary Pete Geren said a study
showed that the 17,000 soldiers brought into Army on waivers have
performed better than the average enlistee.


(C) 2007 BY NATIONAL JOURNAL GROUP, INC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.

Jake_Blues
March 25th, 2008, 03:48 PM
Nationally, 70 percent of young people graduate from high school, with the averages as low as 50 percent in some urban areas and among minorities. Military recruiting officials note that many young people with high school diplomas cannot pass the enlistment tests.


Wow that's sad. A trained monkey could pass HS if they show up and take all the underwater fire-prevention classes.

-E

scottycards
March 25th, 2008, 04:01 PM
Sample questions here:

http://www.armedforcescareers.com/samplequestions.html

Jake_Blues
March 25th, 2008, 04:06 PM
Sample questions here:

http://www.armedforcescareers.com/samplequestions.html

I took the ASVAB in 9th grade I think... I remember the armed forces wouldn't leave me alone for like 6 years after that.

-E

JPg
March 25th, 2008, 04:07 PM
I am a Navy recruiter and boy is that true, not to many people passing the enlistment test.......But we don't have any special programs like the GED thing for those young people....that sucks.....

Leon Phelps
March 25th, 2008, 04:08 PM
I took the ASVAB in 9th grade I think... I remember the armed forces wouldn't leave me alone for like 6 years after that.

-E


Yup, same deal. Signed on the line at 17 when I graduated high school. I gave my time to my country.

ChiliPepper / Kenny
March 25th, 2008, 04:13 PM
To make the situation worse, access to that limited pool of eligible recruits
often is blocked by opposition from parents, teachers or other influencers,
or by a young person's inclinations..[/CENTER]




Thats todays America for ya. Hip Hip hooray I get to be a little shit and speak my mind, and rebel against the government and the country that gives me the freedoms to do so.... Nevermind taking pride in that country and supporting it, god forbid stepping up and serving that country. I'm no hardcore Service man by any means. I spent 6 years in the Army National Guard and that is all. Never went overseas. My only calls to duty were stateside, putting out forest fires, digging out country towns from blizzards, and wading through hip deep flood waters was the worst deployments I ever had. And I took pride in those jobs. I think every young man should do a stint in the service. I'm not saying send everyone off to war, but I don't think a 2 year contract in some branch of the service would be a bad idea.

TwoDogs
March 25th, 2008, 06:01 PM
I am a Navy recruiter and boy is that true, not to many people passing the enlistment test.......But we don't have any special programs like the GED thing for those young people....that sucks.....




Thank God for that!! Bozos have no place on gthe flight deck or around airplanes for that matter. Bummer for you though. USN tried to get me to take recruiting duty. I went to Diego Garcia instead. Much better choice.

mygreenjeep
March 25th, 2008, 09:46 PM
I was a recruiter from '00 to '03 in Enid, Ok. and I can relate to the article. We dealt with alot of people who didn't graduate high school and ones that did graduate and couldn't pass the ASVAB. The biggest issue I had out there in hicktown was all the kids smokin pot.

The article isn't anything new, it just finally got in the media's hands.

Budman
March 26th, 2008, 07:28 AM
The Air Force is turning recruits away, and kicking people out left and right. Our recruitment is just fine.

Dave McDonald
March 26th, 2008, 07:40 AM
The Air Force is turning recruits away, and kicking people out left and right. Our recruitment is just fine.

Sure, that's cuz with the new drones, you don't have to train pilots, you just have to recruit twinkie/dingdong/dorito stuffed flight simulator aces. You give 'em training software and slip the real assignments in during their gaming - they never know the difference, and you can have 'em work at home.

:flipoff2:

Pilot
March 26th, 2008, 10:36 AM
Sure, that's cuz with the new drones, you don't have to train pilots, you just have to recruit twinkie/dingdong/dorito stuffed flight simulator aces. You give 'em training software and slip the real assignments in during their gaming - they never know the difference, and you can have 'em work at home.


LOL! Not to mention those cool "bus driver" uniforms they get to wear.





Just kidding! :flipoff2:

LONEWOLF
March 26th, 2008, 10:47 AM
Just a question, can any of our enemies pass this test? They just want to kill us. So really in the end does it matter. We need all kinds to fight a war.

ColoradoXJ
March 26th, 2008, 06:40 PM
i'm waiting to hear if i got accepted into OCS for the coast guard... :shrug:

deadjeep
March 26th, 2008, 07:03 PM
I am a Navy recruiter and boy is that true, not to many people passing the enlistment test.......But we don't have any special programs like the GED thing for those young people....that sucks.....

I decided to go back into the military last year. Didn't want to do the USMC thing again, so I decided to go play in the Navy. They wouldn't take me because of a tattoo on the back of my neck. Seems like they would be a little more lenient of the small stuff if they aren't getting enough applicants.

ColoradoXJ
March 26th, 2008, 07:05 PM
there were plenty of applicants at MEPS monday morning... but since i had to go get more documentation (:rant:) i didn't see how many of them actually left as qualified enlistees/officer candidates.. :P

TwoDogs
March 26th, 2008, 07:19 PM
i'm waiting to hear if i got accepted into OCS for the coast guard... :shrug:


Puddle Pirate!! :flipoff2:

ColoradoXJ
March 26th, 2008, 07:22 PM
whatthefawkever :flipoff2:


navy pukes are the puddle pirates, or at least that's what my marine sister calls my submariner brother... :P


what's budmans coast guard joke again...? oh yeah...

did ya hear the coast guard has a new 6' height requirement?


that way, when the boat sinks, you can wade back to shore.

Budman
March 27th, 2008, 08:18 AM
whatthefawkever :flipoff2:


navy pukes are the puddle pirates, or at least that's what my marine sister calls my submariner brother... :P


what's budmans coast guard joke again...? oh yeah...

did ya hear the coast guard has a new 6' height requirement?


that way, when the boat sinks, you can wade back to shore.

Well done sir...

JR4X
March 27th, 2008, 08:40 AM
Armed services having trouble finding qualified recruits




Would that have anything to do with how poorly our vets are taken care of once they are out? Or maybe because you have to volunteer your own freedom to sacrifice it for those who dont care? Or maybe because a high school drop out can make 4 times mil pay by working in the oil field? Who wants to take orders from assholes yelling at you when you have to pass a UA? Who wants to be like my best friend who was given brain damage by his own superiors?

Qualified people are just that. Most anyone who is qualified means they are smart enough to know better.

Budman
March 27th, 2008, 08:49 AM
Qualified people are just that. Most anyone who is qualified means they are smart enough to know better.

I am sure you did not mean that the way I read it, so I am going to assume you are not pulling a john kerry.

JR4X
March 27th, 2008, 09:21 AM
I am sure you did not mean that the way I read it, so I am going to assume you are not pulling a john kerry.


Your right I do not mean anyone enrolling is not smart. I only mean that right now today, it is easy to look around and see there are better personal options than joining the service. Thus poor enrollment numbers. I DO NOT agree with John Kerry or any one who does not support our troops. I am scared for our men and women if Hillary Clinton were to win presidency.

1BADKJ
March 27th, 2008, 09:29 AM
I did 4 years in the Marines,got out and when 9/11 happened rejoined.Tried to get back in the Marines but they said my hearing was to bad(I'm a mechanic,come on:mad: ) so I joined the Army.After 4 years in the Army and 2 combat tours they medically discharged me because I crushed my ulnar nerve in my left arm which they messed the surgury leaving me in extreme pain in my left elbow.Damn I wanted to do the full 20 also but just because I couldn't shoot a M16 in the prone position they booted me.They just keep booting poeple out that want to stay in and keep the idiots that are trying to get out because they are little p$$$y's and can't hack it.What really pissed me off I almost got hired by KBR to go back to Iraq to fix vehicles for the Army but they declined me because I took my job to seriously,WTF!

Budman
March 27th, 2008, 09:42 AM
Your right I do not mean anyone enrolling is not smart. I only mean that right now today, it is easy to look around and see there are better personal options than joining the service. Thus poor enrollment numbers. I DO NOT agree with John Kerry or any one who does not support our troops. I am scared for our men and women if Hillary Clinton were to win presidency.

I was pretty sure that is what you meant.

I did 4 years in the Marines,got out and when 9/11 happened rejoined.Tried to get back in the Marines but they said my hearing was to bad(I'm a mechanic,come on:mad: )

Huh??????????




If I got out, there is no way they would let me back in.