blue sun bio on sante fe

[COcummins]

came down sante fe today and saw a sign for blue sun bio between oxford and belleview. anyone know what grade they're selling and for how much?

[Big Dave]

Nothing on their website about it. Also saw something a while back on the website of that place at Broadway and 470 that rents garage space that they were going to carry bio too.

Sucks now that the Western in Castle Rock that carried B20 has shut down.

[COcummins]

yea, i've checked blue sun's site as well as two others with now luck. i hadn't heard anything about this place on 470 and broadway. i'll try and get over to this place on sante fe in the next couple days for more info. all the sign at the station said was along these lines: "we now sell blue sun biodiesel"
more to come

[COcummins]

ok, this place is Duggan Petrolium and they're selling B20 only for $3.49. the pumps are prepay credit card only but open 24/7

[CSP]

Is that the one on the west side frontage road just south of Colorado Auto Parts?

[Big Dave]

Did a little digging and found out the website where I saw the Blue Sun logo for a place at Broadway and 470. It was www.autobayz.com but they've apparently gone out of business, or their website is experiencing issues.

[89Runner]

Anybody have any issues running B20 or B100? I'm considering running it in the PSD, to show some protest for the outragous fuel prices. Cold weather problems? Engine problems? TIA

Oh yeah, how much is BIO going for down there by Co auto parts (Santa Fe and Quincy)?

[Big Dave]

No problems in my 7.3 running B20, but from what I've heard the 6.0's don't like it as well?

[89Runner]

Why is that?

[Big Dave]

Dunno.

[bsaunder]

No problems in my 7.3 running B20, but from what I've heard the 6.0's don't like it as well?


Some 6.0's have two fuel filters - one that is under the truck and a bit of PITA to get to from what I have heard. If you have been running standard #2 for a while and have all teh "normal" gunk buildup in your furl tank and fuel lines - then when you run bo in it, you could clog the filters. With B20, it seems to not be nearly as much of an issue, but B100 will definitely clean the system. Since many 6.0 owners only remember the filter under the hood and not under the truck, they complain of issues after running bio.

Beyond that, there shouldn't be any reason. Bio burns just as well in a diesel engine as #2 from all accounts I have been able to find.

[Steve]

Some 6.0's have two fuel filters - one that is under the truck and a bit of PITA to get to from what I have heard.

It's not a PITA to get to or change out, but it ain't cheap to buy a new one. The dealer wants ~$75 for that filter, and $25 or so for the small one mounted on the top of the motor.

[89Runner]

It's not a PITA to get to or change out, but it ain't cheap to buy a new one. The dealer wants ~$75 for that filter, and $25 or so for the small one mounted on the top of the motor.

I know a guy on powerstroke.org that sells OE quality fuel filters for the 6.0 for 35 bucks. I just did mine, and his look the same as the Ford ones I pulled out. If your interested I'll get you his info.

P.S that is for both filters, and o-rings too just FYI

[89Runner]

Is there any concerns with cold weather problems with B20?

Does anybody know how much Blue Sun is selling it for?

Any of you guys running the 6.0 and bio? Problems?

[Big Dave]

I never ran into any cold weather issues with B20. Never had any when the temps got below +15 though.

[bsaunder]

I've been able to start my truck down to -10F with BlueSUn B20 in the tank, haven't tried it in any colder weather yet. I think the coldest its been when I've been running B100 is ~25F.

[1BGDOG]

I bought B20 the other day in Boulder for $4.00 and change a gallon!!! OUCH

[89Runner]

Son of a!!! I didn't know it was that expensive, I thought it was pretty close to #2.

[firegod33]

Here on the western slope, #2 ranges from $3.79- $4.05/gal. It's killing me

[bsaunder]

I bought B20 the other day in Boulder for $4.00 and change a gallon!!! OUCH

When was that? I filled up yesterday at $3.56/gal... - (edit - that was a fat finger typo, paid $3.86/gal)


It used to be ~$0.15-$0.23 higher than #2. I have complained directly to Blue sun a few times about Barkus oil though as they do seem to really jack it up every now and then.

[89Runner]

I still haven't made it down to the Santa Fe station yet, anybody know what its running? Any of you guys running it in a 6.0?

[COcummins]

last i checked b20 on sante fe was 3.89, b100 over in comerce city was 4.75. those prices are about a week old

[89Runner]

Thanks COcummins, I actually just got over there to see that price at the Santa fe store. I pulled in there and the first pump I pulled up to said #2 and bio were going for 3.09, so I tried to fill up, and the pump didn't work. The other pump was at 3.89 though. Pissed me off, to good to be true I guess.

Do you get better, or worse mpg with bio? I've heard both, that's why I'm asking

[1BGDOG]

When was that? I filled up yesterday at $3.56/gal...


It used to be ~$0.15-$0.23 higher than #2. I have complained directly to Blue sun a few times about Barkus oil though as they do seem to really jack it up every now and then.

Last Thursday the 6th. It sucked, it is usually in the range that you mentioned.

[1967k10]

I was reading on one of the diesel sites Bio is under $3 in AZ :D ,but up here it's higher than #2 :mad: . Same with KS it's right around $3 for Bio. What's the deal :confused: .

[COcummins]

i didn't notice any difference in mileage when i was running b100. i track my economy down to the 100th but with such a mix of city/highway/trail it's hard to tell a difference.

it's quite a load of b.s. that a person can make b100 for under $1 but to buy it right now it's almost $5. i guess the trackors and trucks that are involved with making and delivering it are still burning ULSD #2.

[bsaunder]

you can make your own bio for under $1/gal if you use waste veggie oil that you get for almost free and then put in the effort to clean it and brew it.

Growing it from seed, harvesting it, pressing it, and then brewing/refining it costs a bit more than $1/gal. - then if you are going to sell it, you have to pay fro transportation and the labor of everyone involved - along with actually building the refining plant, paying for all the permits and insurance; and add on all the state and federal taxes to be legal... it all adds up.

[COcummins]

good point, still pisses me off to hear 4.75 a gallon for an alternative fuel.

[bsaunder]

I agree - however, any "new" alternative fuel will be more expensive until it has time to mature, be refined, "perfected", and streamlined for efficiency. Its unrealistic to expect new "technology" to be less expensive than a process that has had over 50 years of process improvements, no matter how much we wish it wasn't so.

That said - BlueSun B20 was $4.17/gal in Santa Fe, NM this weekend.

[74BuckinBronc]

I hear ya Ben, but it'll be hard for folks to jump on the 'Alternative fuel" bandwagon if the price is higher than #2. I don't have any E85 around here, but I understand it is substantially lower than regular unleaded. That's the target that ought to be aimed for with B20. I'd run B20 if it were the same price as #2, but it isn't. There are a couple places local to me that sell it and I have yet to check out the price.

J.D.

[bsaunder]

that would require congressional subsidies for B20 like E85 has - for some reason only the corn farmers have the needed pull.

The other way I look at it though - with B20 and B100, I don't run any stanadyne diesel additive as I do with #2; and I go for longer oil change intervals as blackstone keeps reporting that my oil stays cleaner longer when I run bio than #2 - so all in all, it may not really be costing me much more if any at all.

[Camp]

Last weekend when I filled up, all the Safeways on the west side of town were $3.92/gal for #2. I waited until I got back up to Evergreen and paid $3.78 for B20. My truck runs nothing but B20 anymore unless I am on the road somewhere that I can't find it. I'm hoping the station by my house will replace their pump that is shut down and was Race Gas, with a B100 pump. I suggested it to them and they are considering it.

[74BuckinBronc]

Camp, that's not too bad of a ratio for those prices. 80% of 3.92 is $3.14, so that's saying that Bio makes up the difference at $.64/gallon. I think that makes sense. Of the $3.78 you paid, $3.14 went to #2 and $.64 went to Bio.

Ben - Stanadyne has jumped in price the last few years eh? I switched to schaeffers, but the trouble is I have to come up with my own bottles. I should have kept some of the bottles, but I only need two ounces per tank. As long as I have to burn the ULSD junk, I'll do my best to treat every tank of fuel.

J.D.

[ChiliPepper / Kenny]

I don't own a diesel but have been thinking about getting a 2500 cummins. I found a kit that you are supposed to be able to run straight veggie oil. If thats true why don't more people do it? I understand you need a seperate tank, that needs to be heated, and the oil needs to be filtered. Kits look to be around $2500 - $3000. Seems like that would pay for itself in a year or two of driving.

[Camp]

I won't run veg oil on a common rail truck. I am of the opinion that it is not worth the risk when you can see rail pressures in the 24,000 psi range. Any contaminates or improper lubrication will destroy injectors and the price of injectors for the common rail trucks is insane.

Running it on an old 12 valve would be great and I would even consider it on one of the 24 valves but, not a HPCR truck.

[74BuckinBronc]

In a cold climate, veggie oil gets harder to run because it waxes up easily. The reason for two tanks is that you are supposed to start and stop on #2 and then you can run on the veggie. If you shut your truck off on veggie and it cools, then you can't start it back up because wax won't go thru the system. It's probably more of a convenience thing. Plus, it takes a lot of time to make a batch of veggie oil unless you buy it at King Soopers and dump it into your tank. Getting used oil takes a lot of equipment and time to get it fuel worthy.

J.D.

[ChiliPepper / Kenny]

Whats a normal rail pressure and why is the veg oil so high? To thick? After reading up on it, it looks like they use coolant lines through the tank to solve the temp problem. The line to the injectors/rail also runs inside another coolant line so it stays heated all the way thru. As far as filtering and prep, they have an onboard pump and filter, that is supposed to allow you to pump right out of a waste oil container into your auxillary tank.
Again, I'm just asking questions, i have no first hand experience on this. Most of the little bit i do know is what i found on www.greasecar.com

[74BuckinBronc]

My understanding is that there are PH levels and things of that sort that you want to achieve in order to get a clean burning fuel. Pulling right out of the waste oil vat could cause problems, but I also have no first hand experience, these are things I have learned along the way while watching TV or reading online.

J.D.

[Camp]

Whats a normal rail pressure and why is the veg oil so high? To thick?


24,000 psi can be seen on the rail at WOT on #2 with a turned up truck. The truck normally runs around 18,000 psi on the rail. It is the design. Nothing to do with veg oil.

These numbers apply to at least the Duramax and '03 - current Dodges. I have had both.

Edit: I don't actually know what is on the new 6.7 engine for Dodge, as far as injection goes but, I'd bet it is a HPCR system.

[1967k10]

On a D-Max 24,000psi is stock. They will drop into the high teens tuned because of the drain of the chip/programmer/custom tune. That's why we run lift pumps and Mod'd CP3's.

I have never run WVO but I can tell you I've been running filtered WMO and it seems to clog filters. It's my understanding that WVO is better for a motor that WMO but that was from a guy that was using it in PSD's. My buddy has run as much as 95% filtered WMO in his 6.5 with minimal issues. Mainly a little injector clogging but only on 1 injector.

24,000 psi can be seen on the rail at WOT on #2 with a turned up truck. The truck normally runs around 18,000 psi on the rail. It is the design. Nothing to do with veg oil.

These numbers apply to at least the Duramax and '03 - current Dodges. I have had both.

Edit: I don't actually know what is on the new 6.7 engine for Dodge, as far as injection goes but, I'd bet it is a HPCR system.

[COcummins]

for the hassle and price of converting a truck to run on WVO, atleast in my oppinion, it would be far more worth a person's time to buy a still to make bio diesel which could run year round (depending on where you live and work) without the trouble of two fuel tanks and switching fuels while driving. just my $.02

[ChiliPepper / Kenny]

for the hassle and price of converting a truck to run on WVO, atleast in my oppinion, it would be far more worth a person's time to buy a still to make bio diesel which could run year round (depending on where you live and work) without the trouble of two fuel tanks and switching fuels while driving. just my $.02

Do you have any links to info on Bio diesel? I'd like to do some reading on it.

[74BuckinBronc]

Google is a great source. "make you own biodiesel"

J.D.

[COcummins]

i used to have a few links but had to do a sytem restore on my computer a week ago and lost everything.
google was my asset for my research.