Stfu...

[Tom N]

...take your dried up plants home and plant some more seeds already.

This was on the TV news last night. I don't do drugs and I do believe that alcohol being legal and pot illegal is BS, but this is stupid.

http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=5430605&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[Swat]

I saw this before. Glad he got something back and they should have taken care of his seized property!

I do agree with you in that he is pushing his luck and this is like the over the top liability cases. He wants too much per plant and there is no frickin' way he would need 71 plants per year for his own personal use.

Now if he want to sue for false arrest and seizure then perhaps he should go for that.

[jredmond]

71 plants. That seems like a little much. I thought that you were only allowed 3 for personal medical reasons. Sounds like a dealer found a loop hole.

[Haire Ball]

Either way, that cop sounds like he's interpreting the law the way he likes it.

"I think it's the HEIGHT OF ABSURDITY AND THE DEATH OF COMMON SENSE..." -who talks like that?? Like it or not officer, THAT'S THE LAW!



btw I don't even smoke pot.

[RebelRescuer]

How lame is this whole thing anyway?

We used to dry plants immediately, and yeah it would kill them. But, for most defendants, its better than letting them grow for months and produce more weight. Besides, a live plant weighs a lot more than a dry one, so most people (with half a freaking brain) would WANT their plants dried. Lower weight = lower charges (depending on the weight).

What I don't understand about this case is that while the state recognizes medical mj, the feds do not. Most of our med mj cases were turned over to DEA and NO ONE got their crap back.

What a lot of people don't realize is that live mj can produce a mold (aspergyllis) that can be absolutely deadly. It creates a disease similar to TB and you have it for life (and not a long life, mind you). In fact, an acquaintance o mine died from it while working with evidence in Kansas. I wonder how many so-called medical mj card holders realize that they could be killing themselves from moldy pot?

WTF is this world coming to?

[Aaron]

How lame is this whole thing anyway?

We used to dry plants immediately, and yeah it would kill them. But, for most defendants, its better than letting them grow for months and produce more weight. Besides, a live plant weighs a lot more than a dry one, so most people (with half a freaking brain) would WANT their plants dried. Lower weight = lower charges (depending on the weight).

What I don't understand about this case is that while the state recognizes medical mj, the feds do not. Most of our med mj cases were turned over to DEA and NO ONE got their crap back.


So you think that it is ok for the Police and people associated with them to break the law? Under CO law, they HAVE to keep the plants alive or pay a fine based on each plant. And yeah, it was voted in. And as far as weight goes, it is put into record at the time of seizure, not after everything is dried. Besides after a certain point, a pound or two doesn't really matter.

FWIW- I don't care if you smoke pot or you don't. I just don't like the fact that people seem to think it is ok for people in a position of authority to break the law, just because they don't agree with the law...

[Impaired]

I think people allowed to grow pot should have signs posted on their doors or some sort of Display notifying, not only police, but also neighbors. I woldn't want some JA growing pot in my neighbor hood and if there was I want to make sure my kids never went close to it. If there was someone growing in my area I would do everything in my power to get their growing rights revolked. Medical Usage? That's Crap! Deal with it!:rant:

[Impaired]

I just don't like the fact that people seem to think it is ok for people in a position of authority to break the law, just because they don't agree with the law...

So he has a right to grow 71 plants. I call that abuse. Both parties may be in the wrong here?

[Waifer2112]

I think people allowed to grow pot should have signs posted on their doors or some sort of Display notifying, not only police, but also neighbors. I woldn't want some JA growing pot in my neighbor hood and if there was I want to make sure my kids never went close to it. If there was someone growing in my area I would do everything in my power to get their growing rights revolked. Medical Usage? That's Crap! Deal with it!:rant:

Why? Why would you care what someone does LEGALLY in their OWN HOME??? would you prefer house to house searches? You know, just in case someone COULD have SOMETHING that MIGHT be harmful to ONE child?

I mean, if you don't know someone's growing next to you, it's pretty obvious they're not a dealer out looking to "convert" one of your kids. Besides, you raised your kids to "just say no", right?

[Impaired]

Protect all Children. I care what activity in my neighborhood will affect my children. Children can be taught and tested, but I don't see a reason have MY childern living next to it. "not that they are"?

[OFRD_GRL]

Unless he is seriously smoking that much 71 seems just a WEEE bit much. but im glad he got it back.

[GRNMEG359]

Just for the sake of the thread.

Not all plants can be used to smoke, some might be for germinating more plants. A crop usaully take 5-6 months to mature. If the plants aren't dried correctly they can not be used to smoke because of acidic effects.

[Waifer2112]

Protect all Children. I care what activity in my neighborhood will affect my children. Children can be taught and tested, but I don't see a reason have MY childern living next to it. "not that they are"?

And that's the great thing about this country. You can always move instead of harrassing your neighbor's who are (in the context from which we're speaking) TOTALLY LEGAL!

[Aaron]

So he has a right to grow 71 plants. I call that abuse. Both parties may be in the wrong here?

You don't know the whole sitiuation. Maybe he was a caretaker for other medical users. Read the law, that would be perfectly legal. There are a lot of people out there that are on the Medical list that don't want anyone to know, just because of the same reactions that some on the board are giving. They don't have a place or the monetary means to grow their own medicine. They depend on people to do it for them.

If he is legit, I think it is crap that they let those plants die. And the authorities should be punished.

[Aaron]

For more info, why don't you all go to this website and get some facts:
http://www.thc-foundation.org/

[Impaired]

Don't you need approval prior to running a business out of your home? ie farming for others. If it was a commercial purpose to provide for others, wouldn't they be require to post a public notice of proposed activities or such business?

Now, I could move. But at this point I was here first, I have not seen any "postings" or Public notices for a farm of anykind at this time on my street, and I would petition have someone growing from my area.

[Waifer2112]

Don't you need approval prior to running a business out of your home? ie farming for others. If it was a commercial purpose to provide for others, wouldn't they be require to post a public notice of proposed activities or such business?

Now, I could move. But at this point I was here first, I have not seen any "postings" or Public notices for a farm of anykind at this time on my street, and I would petition have someone growing from my area.

Not if you aren't having them come to your house to buy something. So let's assume you owned an auto shop on Main Street, but you live on 1st and Green street. Would it be illegal to have some auto parts you're going to sell from your shop at your home? No, it wouldn't.

so once again, why would you actively harrass your law-abiding neighbor's?

[Impaired]

so once again, why would you actively harrass your law-abiding neighbor's?

"law-abiding neighbor's?" See now this is where you and I are not seeing eye to eye and maybe I am also looking at this particular situation as if it were my own.

Reguardless....I wouldn't want it next to me or around any childern. Just out of curiousity, If some one was permitted to produce "meth", crack, etc....would you allow that next to you?

[architect1]

Make them PAY. Why? Only to make a point! So that it does not happen again. If they take property(anything) and Damage it then they should pay for it.

[Aaron]

Don't you need approval prior to running a business out of your home? ie farming for others. If it was a commercial purpose to provide for others, wouldn't they be require to post a public notice of proposed activities or such business?

Just do some reading, heck I even gave you a GREAT resource to learn from. What business was he running? Does it say that he was growing and selling pot? NO.





Now, I could move. But at this point I was here first
Great Logic :rolleyes:

[Impaired]

Just do some reading, heck I even gave you a GREAT resource to learn from. What business was he running? Does it say that he was growing and selling pot? NO.

No, you said it. Reply was to this:
"They don't have a place or the monetary means to grow their own medicine. They depend on people to do it for them. " Read your post:rolleyes:







Great Logic :rolleyes:

Didn't say it was great, just mine.

[Aaron]

"law-abiding neighbor's?" See now this is where you and I are not seeing eye to eye and maybe I am also looking at this particular situation as if it were my own.

Reguardless....I wouldn't want it next to me or around any childern. Just out of curiousity, If some one was permitted to produce "meth", crack, etc....would you allow that next to you?

If it was legal, what could you do? Live with it or move, what is the difference in this case?

[Waifer2112]

"law-abiding neighbor's?" See now this is where you and I are not seeing eye to eye and maybe I am also looking at this particular situation as if it were my own.

Reguardless....I wouldn't want it next to me or around any childern. Just out of curiousity, If some one was permitted to produce "meth", crack, etc....would you allow that next to you?

Yes, I would. But if I saw any illegal hazards, I would report it.

And as far as you and I seeing eye to eye, it's irrelevant. The laws are pretty black and white.

And by your standards, you should post a sign on your door if you're drinking alcohol. As alcohol has caused more problems, and is more dangerous, than all the illegal drugs combined. You got that sign made yet?

[Aaron]

No, you said it. Reply was to this:
"They don't have a place or the monetary means to grow their own medicine. They depend on people to do it for them. " Read your post:rolleyes:









Didn't say it was great, just mine.

Money doesn't change hands. It is not a business. A caretaker just grows for those who can't. Read the site I posted.


Let me ask you this, is there a medicine cabinet in your house? Do your kids live in your house? I think you get the picture.

[Impaired]

Alcohol = not so good = buy at liquor stores "Big Sign"

Drugs = not so good = "Where?" Hopefully not next to me

[Impaired]

Let me ask you this, is there a medicine cabinet in your house? Do your kids live in your house? I think you get the picture.

Walgreens is my dealer:drool:

[Aaron]

So you do keep legal drugs in your house? What's the difference? And where's your sign?

[Impaired]

On my bottle, and when the police take from it's locked child proof cabinet they will see it and give it back to it's rightful owner.

We have walgreens bags all over the place, and I believe all my neighbors know that I am a user of walgreens. I have also been seen at walgreens.

Maybe a sign isn't the best solution, maybe a jug, jar label, wrist band, blimp :shrug:

[hanksyota]

everybody just take a hit and relax. haha. joking. i dont think i'd want it in my neighborhood either.

[ColoJeeper]

I personally don't care what the item is, I don't think it is wrong to ask for it to be returned in the same shape as when it was confiscated. If the police or courts take it, they also should assume the responsibility to maintain it and return it in the same condition as when they took it.

[DaJudge]

From the Colorado CONSTITUTION!

CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF COLORADO : ARTICLE XVIII MISCELLANEOUS (http://198.187.128.12/colorado/lpext.dll/Infobase2/52/2d14?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm):
Section 14. Medical use of marijuana for persons suffering from debilitating medical
conditions.

Legal obligation to care for seized items:

(e) Any property interest that is possessed, owned, or used in connection with the
medical use of marijuana or acts incidental to such use, shall not be harmed,
neglected, injured, or destroyed while in the possession of state or local law
enforcement officials where such property has been seized in connection with the
claimed medical use of marijuana. Any such property interest shall not be forfeited
under any provision of state law providing for the forfeiture of property other than as
a sentence imposed after conviction of a criminal offense or entry of a plea of guilty
to such offense. Marijuana and paraphernalia seized by state or local law
enforcement officials from a patient or primary care-giver in connection with the
claimed medical use of marijuana shall be returned immediately upon the
determination of the district attorney or his or her designee that the patient or primary
care-giver is entitled to the protection contained in this section as may be evidenced,
for example, by a decision not to prosecute, the dismissal of charges, or acquittal.

Limits on amount of pot/number of plants:

4) (a) A patient may engage in the medical use of marijuana, with no more marijuana
than is medically necessary to address a debilitating medical condition. A patient's
medical use of marijuana, within the following limits, is lawful:

(I) No more than two ounces of a usable form of marijuana; and

(II) No more than six marijuana plants, with three or fewer being mature,
flowering plants that are producing a usable form of marijuana.

(b) For quantities of marijuana in excess of these amounts, a patient or his or her
primary care-giver may raise as an affirmative defense to charges of violation of state
law that such greater amounts were medically necessary to address the patient's
debilitating medical condition.

[DaJudge]

Frequently asked questions about Medical Marijuana

Can you refer me to a doctor?

No. It is the responsibility of the patient to work with a physician with
whom he/she has a bona fide doctor-patient relationship.


Where do I get the seeds or plants to start growing medical marijuana?
Are there clubs or organizations that help patients to grow or acquire their
medicine?

The Medical Marijuana Registry is not affiliated with any privately operated
club, organization or dispensary and is not authorized to provide information
on acquisition of marijuana.


Where can I legally use my medicine?

No patient shall: Engage in the medical use of marijuana in a way that
endangers the health or well-being of any person; or engage in the medical
use of marijuana in plain view of, or in a place open to, the general public.
Law enforcement has informed the Medical Marijuana Registry of the
following: Any place outside of the patient?s home is considered public. ?In
plain view? also includes the patient?s yard or garage if that patient can be
seen using their medicine by neighbors.


Why can?t I go to a pharmacy to fill a prescription for medical marijuana?

Pharmacies can only dispense medications that are prescribed. Marijuana is
currently classified by the federal government as a Schedule I drug, which
means it cannot be prescribed by any health care professional. Amendment
20 allows doctors to recommend marijuana, and it allows patients to grow
their own medical marijuana for their private use.


How is my confidentiality protected?

Your confidentiality is protected by law and by the procedures used by the
registry. No lists of doctors, patients of caregivers are given out to anyone.
Local law enforcement may only contact the registry to verify the
information on a specific identification card. The registry database resides
on a stand-alone computer and is password protected and encrypted. The
office and all of its contents are locked at night when the registry
administrator is out of the office.


How does my card protect me?

A patient may engage in the medical use of marijuana, with no more
marijuana than is medically necessary to address a debilitating medical
condition. A patient's medical use of marijuana, within the following limits, is
lawful: No more than two ounces of a usable form of marijuana; and no
more than six marijuana plants, with three or fewer being mature, flowering
plants that are producing a usable form of marijuana.


I do not have the money for the fee. Is it a one-time payment? Can it be
waived? Can I make installment payments? Will my insurance pay?

Full payment must be made at the time of application. The fee must be paid
with the renewal application each year. The fee cannot be waived, and the
registry cannot accept installment payments. Insurance companies are not
required to pay the fee.


What if I move or my caregiver moves? What if I want to change my
caregiver?

When there has been a change in the name, address, physician, or primary
caregiver of a patient who has qualified for a registry identification card,
that patient must notify the registry of any such change within ten days. A
patient who has not designated a primary caregiver at the time of
application may do so in writing at any time during the effective period of
the registry identification card, and the primary caregiver may act in this
capacity after such designation.


Can I use my Colorado Medical Marijuana Registry identification card in
another state?

At this time, there are no ?reciprocity? agreements with other states to
recognize the Colorado law except in Montana and Rhode Island.


I am a registered patient in another state, do I have any legal right to use
my medicine while visiting Colorado?

No, Colorado?s law does not recognize patients registered in other states.


Does the Medical Marijuana Registry give free legal advice?

No, patients are on their own to seek out legal advice or hire an attorney.

[Tom N]

So he had 65 more plants than the law allows? Does that mean he will get re-imbursed for the 6 that the law allows?
Medical Marijuana users who don't or can't identify themselves as being legal users to law enforcement should not later be splashed all over the evening news as being victims of Police negligence. Especially when it is a plant that can be grown. Right or wrong that is my opinion. Maybe now law enforcement agencies will have a clearer idea of the laws regarding this also.

[RebelRescuer]

I bet you'll NEVER see another medical marijuana case handled by anyone but the DEA from now on. As well it should!! Turn it federal and there is NO medical marijuana. Buh bye plants. See you at the incinerator.

[architect1]

Nice to see the support, Thanks for the facts.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
From the Colorado CONSTITUTION!

CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF COLORADO : ARTICLE XVIII MISCELLANEOUS (http://198.187.128.12/colorado/lpext.dll/Infobase2/52/2d14?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm):
Section 14. Medical use of marijuana for persons suffering from debilitating medical
conditions.

Legal obligation to care for seized items:

(e) Any property interest that is possessed, owned, or used in connection with the
medical use of marijuana or acts incidental to such use, shall not be harmed,
neglected, injured, or destroyed while in the possession of state or local law
enforcement officials where such property has been seized in connection with the
claimed medical use of marijuana. Any such property interest shall not be forfeited
under any provision of state law providing for the forfeiture of property other than as
a sentence imposed after conviction of a criminal offense or entry of a plea of guilty
to such offense. Marijuana and paraphernalia seized by state or local law
enforcement officials from a patient or primary care-giver in connection with the
claimed medical use of marijuana shall be returned immediately upon the
determination of the district attorney or his or her designee that the patient or primary
care-giver is entitled to the protection contained in this section as may be evidenced,
for example, by a decision not to prosecute, the dismissal of charges, or acquittal.

Limits on amount of pot/number of plants:

4) (a) A patient may engage in the medical use of marijuana, with no more marijuana
than is medically necessary to address a debilitating medical condition. A patient's
medical use of marijuana, within the following limits, is lawful:

(I) No more than two ounces of a usable form of marijuana; and

(II) No more than six marijuana plants, with three or fewer being mature,
flowering plants that are producing a usable form of marijuana.

(b) For quantities of marijuana in excess of these amounts, a patient or his or her
primary care-giver may raise as an affirmative defense to charges of violation of state
law that such greater amounts were medically necessary to address the patient's
debilitating medical condition.

[CLYDE]

This should be a non issue really, Legalize it, tax it, and get rid of the criminal element involved in it. I would much rather deal with a stoney that a drunk, in any situation. Worst thing I can imagine from it would be accidnets in the slow lane from stonies getting run over..

Yes Im serious, and No I dont smoke the stuff..

[Oscar]

yup but to many hard heads

[RebelRescuer]

This should be a non issue really, Legalize it, tax it, and get rid of the criminal element involved in it. I would much rather deal with a stoney that a drunk, in any situation. Worst thing I can imagine from it would be accidnets in the slow lane from stonies getting run over..

Yes Im serious, and No I dont smoke the stuff..


I hear the "legalize it, tax the hell out of it" argument a lot. But if were legalized and taxed, don't you think there would STILL be people selling it illegally to avoid the taxes? Then no one benefits except the "farmers" and the stoners. Back to square one. Besides, then down the road if we decide that we can't control the meth heads, than we should legalize that too? Oh and the crack dealers...so on and so on. Bad precedence.

Keep the laws, give murders the chair, and free up room in the jails for people who cannot follow the law.

On a sidenote, we were at Buffalo Bill Days in Golden a couple of years ago, and a guy walked up to me with a clipboad and a petition to legalize pot. Of course, I chuckled. Then I looked up to see an undercover DEA agent I know across the street and told him to go ask THAT guy to sign the petition. Cracked me up, because he DID ask him!!! :D :D

[Ooompa Loompa]

I hear the "legalize it, tax the hell out of it" argument a lot. But if were legalized and taxed, don't you think there would STILL be people selling it illegally to avoid the taxes?

For the most part nope. Look at alcohol. Easy enough to make in your own home, but how many actually do it? For most people it's easier to just go down to the liquor store and buy whatever it is they are wanting. Sure, some may grow there own and sell it, but I honestly don't see a huge black market on the stuff.

For the record I do not like pot. I think it's just as bad as alcohol. I have mixed feelings about legalizing it. (which I will admit is hypocritical of me since I do drink alcohol and agree with the legalization of it)

[CLYDE]

I hear the "legalize it, tax the hell out of it" argument a lot. But if were legalized and taxed, don't you think there would STILL be people selling it illegally to avoid the taxes? Then no one benefits except the "farmers" and the stoners. Back to square one. Besides, then down the road if we decide that we can't control the meth heads, than we should legalize that too? Oh and the crack dealers...so on and so on. Bad precedence.

Keep the laws, give murders the chair, and free up room in the jails for people who cannot follow the law.

On a sidenote, we were at Buffalo Bill Days in Golden a couple of years ago, and a guy walked up to me with a clipboad and a petition to legalize pot. Of course, I chuckled. Then I looked up to see an undercover DEA agent I know across the street and told him to go ask THAT guy to sign the petition. Cracked me up, because he DID ask him!!! :D :D
Until the 1930s it was legal, and it wasnt an issue, if the prices were comparable to tobacco then No I dont think it would generate an underground. Just like booze, prohibition doesnt work on pot, never has, never will. I smoked when I was younger, wont even try to deny that for a second, Just isnt my thing, and I quit when I was in my early 20s, but I am very aware of the effects of it, and just dont see the issue with it. The biggest problem surround MJ is the trade and trafficking that go to support it.. Picture tobacco, it isnt that hard to grow, yet you dont see smokers growing their own, Why?? because its way easier to go to the store and by a pack, than to try and grow it, and a heck of a lot quicker, Ditto for alcohol. Sure you have a few people that make beer and wine, but typically for their own personal consumption. How many of the home brewers do you see here on the board, trying to sell their home brew? Zero. Im sorry the arguement for meth doesnt hold water, thats a whole different deal, I have never seen a pothead hurt themselves or others like the meth, and crackheads do. Nor Have I ever known anyone to be addicted to pot the way those substances do to people, and I grew up in the 70s around a lot of smokers, of all ages. Most of whom dont smoke today. People are going free on more serious charges, on probation, or house arrest etc because the jails are full of pot smokers, I would way rather see the more serious charges go to jail, and the potheads loose, Im not worried about a pothead robbing me, or breaking into my house, I cant say that about the meth addicts. With all that said, I am one of the most conservative people you could ever want to meet, Ask anyone on this board that knows me how i feel about things. But this is an issue I just dont get, and that I think the govt, has really screwed the pooch on for many years.

[RebelRescuer]

Until the 1930s it was legal, and it wasnt an issue, if the prices were comparable to tobacco then No I dont think it would generate an underground. Just like booze, prohibition doesnt work on pot, never has, never will. I smoked when I was younger, wont even try to deny that for a second, Just isnt my thing, and I quit when I was in my early 20s, but I am very aware of the effects of it, and just dont see the issue with it. The biggest problem surround MJ is the trade and trafficking that go to support it.. Picture tobacco, it isnt that hard to grow, yet you dont see smokers growing their own, Why?? because its way easier to go to the store and by a pack, than to try and grow it, and a heck of a lot quicker, Ditto for alcohol. Sure you have a few people that make beer and wine, but typically for their own personal consumption. How many of the home brewers do you see here on the board, trying to sell their home brew? Zero. Im sorry the arguement for meth doesnt hold water, thats a whole different deal, I have never seen a pothead hurt themselves or others like the meth, and crackheads do. Nor Have I ever known anyone to be addicted to pot the way those substances do to people, and I grew up in the 70s around a lot of smokers, of all ages. Most of whom dont smoke today. People are going free on more serious charges, on probation, or house arrest etc because the jails are full of pot smokers, I would way rather see the more serious charges go to jail, and the potheads loose, Im not worried about a pothead robbing me, or breaking into my house, I cant say that about the meth addicts. With all that said, I am one of the most conservative people you could ever want to meet, Ask anyone on this board that knows me how i feel about things. But this is an issue I just dont get, and that I think the govt, has really screwed the pooch on for many years.

Good points for sure. Although I disagree that the jails are full of pot smokers. Its difficult enough to get a Sch II in jail (meth, coke, etc) let alone pot, unless its a huge grow and or least a 2nd felony conviction.

I just find it sad that we would consider backing down on a law because of the overwhelming numbers of people who break it. Like I said, I think it sets a bad precedence. If anything, I believe that stiffer penalties should be dealt out, not more backing down. Although I do understand your points.

Quite honestly the only reason I've never touched the stuff is because its against the law. I smoke ciggies, have an occasional drink, etc. but have never touched pot or any other drug simply because its against the law. I'm sure I'm not the norm however.

[SPY]

We used to dry plants immediately, and yeah it would kill them. But, for most defendants, its better than letting them grow for months and produce more weight. Besides, a live plant weighs a lot more than a dry one, so most people (with half a freaking brain) would WANT their plants dried. Lower weight = lower charges (depending on the weight).



:shrug: Um...You don't dry them by throwing them in a big black trash bag where no moisture can excape.That's how you get mold!!!!

...and hang drying for a few weeks in a cool, dry and dark area isn't really "immediately".


Your abundant knowledge has brightened my day.:hail:

KTHXBYE

[Steve]

Maybe DaJudge can answer this, but how does it work when something is legal by state law but illegal by federal law? Which one is overriding? Which one prevails in court? :shrug:

[SPY]

Maybe DaJudge can answer this, but how does it work when something is legal by state law but illegal by federal law? Which one is overriding? Which one prevails in court? :shrug:



Wouldn't that depend if it was tried on a state or federal level?:shrug:

[Steve]

Wouldn't that depend if it was tried on a state or federal level?:shrug:

Dunno, thus my question. It's also a question before any trial. Do law enforcement agencies have to maintain, and keep growing, mj plants when doing so is illegal by federal law? Are they breaking federal law if they keep them alive? Are they breaking the law if they give them back to the person?

:shrug:

[newracer]

I have two questions.

Does a registered user have an obligation to immediately notify the law enforcement personnel of their status?

What is the definition of "harm?" The agency may not have "harmed" the plants, they just didn't take car of them. I suppose by not taking care of them the where inturn "harmed." :shrug:

[DaJudge]

Maybe DaJudge can answer this, but how does it work when something is legal by state law but illegal by federal law? Which one is overriding? Which one prevails in court? :shrug:

State law in State court; Federal law in Federal court. Thus the suggestion that eventually All these will go to DEA for Federal prosecution.

Dunno, thus my question. It's also a question before any trial. Do law enforcement agencies have to maintain, and keep growing, mj plants when doing so is illegal by federal law? Are they breaking federal law if they keep them alive? Are they breaking the law if they give them back to the person?

:shrug:

Dunno either. Good issues that may be answered in whole or in part bythe Aurora case that generated this thread.

[RebelRescuer]

:shrug: Um...You don't dry them by throwing them in a big black trash bag where no moisture can excape.That's how you get mold!!!!

...and hang drying for a few weeks in a cool, dry and dark area isn't really "immediately".


Your abundant knowledge has brightened my day.:hail:

KTHXBYE

Um OK.

First, we had A LOT of pot come in from grows that was already moldy. Yup, there are potheads out there without a lot of smarts (shock of shocks). And that mold attaches itself to most every surface including drywall, cinder block, etc and can continue to grow. It doesn't need tons of moisture like regular black mold. I know its hard to believe that not all potheads are bright, but go with me on this one. :rolleyes:

And just for your information, the plants began the drying process as soon as they were back to the office....usually within three hours of being taken, in sealed/filtered drying racks complete with air intakes, fans, filtered vents. Its the fastest way to dry them, in my opinion. Believe it or not, ALL of that (including times) must be documented for court.

Not to mention how many sealed bags (from the "distributor") I came across that were ALREADY moldy. Mmmmm!! There's no regulatory agency on packaging and quality control, kind of the downside of doing illegal stuff, no?

[Waifer2112]

Quite honestly the only reason I've never touched the stuff is because its against the law. I smoke ciggies, have an occasional drink, etc. but have never touched pot or any other drug simply because its against the law. I'm sure I'm not the norm however.

Ummm, alcohol is a drug. So is nicotine. Which is in your cigs. :shrug:

[architect1]

Pick it, Pack it FIRE IT UP.:bounce3: :bounce3:

The funny thing is MOST Pot HEADS are in the middle to upper Class. Not your typical person people label as a POThead.

Doctors,
Lawyers,
Engineers,
And so on.

If people really knew who smoked they would FLIP out. I know for a FACT everyone out there has a trusted person (Boss, Doctor, Mother, Father, Sister, Brother, and on and on) you know that smokes MarryJane and YOU HAVE NOT A CLUE.

[Waifer2112]

Not to mention how many sealed bags (from the "distributor") I came across that were ALREADY moldy. Mmmmm!! There's no regulatory agency on packaging and quality control, kind of the downside of doing illegal stuff, no?

This is a fantastic argument for LEGALIZING it!! Thanks for bringing it up!

[Steve]

The funny thing is MOST Pot HEADS are in the middle to upper Class. Not your typical person people label as a POThead.

Doctors,
Lawyers,
Engineers,
And so on.

Got any stats or info to back that up, or is it just another one of those "facts" that only you are privvy to?

[newracer]

What a lot of people don't realize is that live mj can produce a mold (aspergyllis) that can be absolutely deadly. It creates a disease similar to TB and you have it for life (and not a long life, mind you). In fact, an acquaintance o mine died from it while working with evidence in Kansas. I wonder how many so-called medical mj card holders realize that they could be killing themselves from moldy pot?
Hijack---
Aspergillus is a very common mold (about 200 species) of which only about 20 cause Aspergillosis (infection of the lungs) in humans. Aspergillus commonly grows on many plants especially starch rich plants like corn. Aspergillosis usually only occurs in humans that have a lowered immune system or physical injuries to the lungs.

[Thunk]

I still have never found ANY logical arguement as to why pot is illegal and liquor is not. You dont see people getting stoned and going out and beating up thier wives and children. You dont see people smoking too much pot and dying of "pot poisoning".

No what you do see is a person with a smile on thier face playing nintendo all night. If you ask me law makers have the two switched.

[FORMULA51]

I think people allowed to grow pot should have signs posted on their doors or some sort of Display notifying, not only police, but also neighbors. I woldn't want some JA growing pot in my neighbor hood and if there was I want to make sure my kids never went close to it. If there was someone growing in my area I would do everything in my power to get their growing rights revolked. Medical Usage? That's Crap! Deal with it!:rant:


i guarantee your local meth head isn't doing that shit. why would a lesser "evil" be such a problem? I guarantee your kids have less risk around a pothead than a meth abuser and or user. (i also would put my whole worth saying your kids have and will be around meth users within the next week)

Do you think they put signs outside their house showing that they are making meth? THEY ARE NOT EVEN COMING CLOSE to YOUR KIDS!


Another thing, chances are more likely that you live directly next door to a meth cooker than a politician.

perhaps you should take a lesson in grammar as well... :hail:


maybe george washington should revel his presidency cause he grew some swag.



hey judge. how many people have you seen lose their whole lives on being caught with less than an OZ? If you get caught with an OZ of ANYTHING else, you're more than likely doing several years in the p3n.

Now, if weed is such a bad thing why would carrying an OZ, in gov. eyes be a lesser crime than smoking some meth. I mean, everyone's doing it.


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[Impaired]

I have two questions.

Does a registered user have an obligation to immediately notify the law enforcement personnel of their status?

What is the definition of "harm?" The agency may not have "harmed" the plants, they just didn't take car of them. I suppose by not taking care of them the where inturn "harmed." :shrug:

Good points. Identification would have prevented some of this.

Not taking care would also be someting you could apply to many other cases as well. I have never had anything impounded, but think of all the times vehicles get scratched, dinged, flat tires, etc. while impounded. I would "think", "Not Know", that you would be hard pressed to get them to fix anything reguardless of guilt.

[FORMULA51]

Not if you aren't having them come to your house to buy something. So let's assume you owned an auto shop on Main Street, but you live on 1st and Green street. Would it be illegal to have some auto parts you're going to sell from your shop at your home? No, it wouldn't.

so once again, why would you actively harrass your law-abiding neighbor's?


I don't think we've EVER been on the same wave length before. i think the sea just parted. :shrug:

[Impaired]

i guarantee your local meth head isn't doing that shit. why would a lesser "evil" be such a problem? I guarantee your kids have less risk around a pothead than a meth abuser and or user. (i also would put my whole worth saying your kids have and will be around meth users within the next week)

I'll Pray that they have the strength, ability, and knowledge to protect themselve

Do you think they put signs outside their house showing that they are making meth? THEY ARE NOT EVEN COMING CLOSE to YOUR KIDS!

HUH? I think I clarified to using a blimp

Another thing, chances are more likely that you live directly next door to a meth cooker than a politician.

perhaps you should take a lesson in grammar as well... :hail:

I didn't realize we we beeing graded and I wil work to corect futur misteaks

maybe george washington should revel his presidency cause he grew some swag.

Maybe


hey judge. how many people have you seen lose their whole lives on being caught with less than an OZ? If you get caught with an OZ of ANYTHING else, you're more than likely doing several years in the p3n.

Now, if weed is such a bad thing why would carrying an OZ, in gov. eyes be a lesser crime than smoking some meth. I mean, everyone's doing it.


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yes

[Swat]

I just find it sad that we would consider backing down on a law because of the overwhelming numbers of people who break it. Like I said, I think it sets a bad precedence. If anything, I believe that stiffer penalties should be dealt out, not more backing down. Although I do understand your points.

We the people, as a society, make the laws. Government serves us.

[SPY]

Um OK.

First, we had A LOT of pot come in from grows that was already moldy. Yup, there are potheads out there without a lot of smarts (shock of shocks). :rolleyes:



Not to mention how many sealed bags (from the "distributor") I came across that were ALREADY moldy. Mmmmm!! There's no regulatory agency on packaging and quality control, kind of the downside of doing illegal stuff, no?

I think another night run up 285 is calling your name...



...another rat needs your help!




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Congratulations on catching people that are not even capable of growing pot, you must be proud. That's kinda like picking on cripples.

[FORMULA51]

On a sidenote, we were at Buffalo Bill Days in Golden a couple of years ago, and a guy walked up to me with a clipboad and a petition to legalize pot. Of course, I chuckled. Then I looked up to see an undercover DEA agent I know across the street and told him to go ask THAT guy to sign the petition. Cracked me up, because he DID ask him!!! :D :D



who cares? seriously.nothing is wrong with wanting to have something legal. wrong? i think not.

[CLYDE]

nothing illegal about starting a petition in this country, at least for now.

[CLYDE]

Its funny, I would be happy to sign a petition like that, and would do it in front of a dea agent or anyone else, I dont smoke it, so dont really care what they think, Hell I ride a harley, and have been photogged by the feds I dunno how many times at various runs and rallys, Im quite sure that I am in some obscure database already as a possible notorious outlaw biker gang member, Im sure that tomorrow, I am going to ride out, and rape pillage and murder the general populace lol:flipoff2:

[Tom N]

I have met more than just a few politically conservative pot smokers. I tease them about the fact that their party will be the last to consider legalizing mj.:flipoff2:

[RebelRescuer]

I think another night run up 285 is calling your name...



...another rat needs your help!




http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/eatshit.gif



Congratulations on catching people that are not even capable of growing pot, you must be proud. That's kinda like picking on cripples.

So you had to resort to picking on my dog rescue? Is that because I spend my time and money doing something worthwhile instead of growing pot?

And no, most of the people we caught were fully capable of growing it. They were just too stupid not to get caught. Like I said, we're not talking Harvard material here.

Edit - Maybe there IS a good reason for morons to smoke it. Evolution through pot!
http://cannabis.net/sperm/index.html

[Waifer2112]

So you had to resort to picking on my dog rescue? Is that because I spend my time and money doing something worthwhile instead of growing pot?

And no, most of the people we caught were fully capable of growing it. They were just too stupid not to get caught. Like I said, we're not talking Harvard material here.

There are a lot of stupid people getting caught doing something illegal everyday. Ever got a traffic ticket? then guess what? You just called yourself stupid! :flipoff2:

And I would expect those suffering, some dying, that smoke mj to relieve pain would consider those who grow it for them "worthwhile".

Just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean EVERYONE shouldn't.

[FORMULA51]

So you had to resort to picking on my dog rescue? Is that because I spend my time and money doing something worthwhile instead of growing pot?

And no, most of the people we caught were fully capable of growing it. They were just too stupid not to get caught. Like I said, we're not talking Harvard material here.


your case is worthless. the point being is that it is half way to being legal. So WHEN IT IS LEGAL, are you going to smoke?




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my guess is you'll just find something else to cry about.

[RebelRescuer]

There are a lot of stupid people getting caught doing something illegal everyday. Ever got a traffic ticket? then guess what? You just called yourself stupid! :flipoff2:

And I would expect those suffering, some dying, that smoke mj to relieve pain would consider those who grow it for them "worthwhile".

Just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean EVERYONE shouldn't.

I agree completely and yes I've gotten ONE speeding ticket. However, my ONE ticket hardly compares to felony manufacture/distribution of a controlled substance.

As for those that are dying or ill, then yes, isn't that the core basis to medical marijuana (not that I agree)? However, exactly how many of these busts are medical? Not many comparatively. The fact remains that possession, manufacture, distribution of a controlled substance, as defined by CRS, is illegal. This is not news. So do I feel bad for people that get busted? NO. Just as I don't have an ounce of sympathy for drunk drivers either. Everyone makes choices.

[RebelRescuer]

your case is worthless. the point being is that it is half way to being legal. So WHEN IT IS LEGAL, are you going to smoke?

my guess is you'll just find something else to cry about.

No I wouldn't try it even if it were legal. I have no desire to spend my days in a state of decreased motivation. However, I'd be very happy to play cards with potheads if they legalize it. In fact, I think they SHOULD legalize it!! That would mean less motivation in a lot of people, and more room for the rest of us to get ahead.

[RebelRescuer]

Just out of morbid curiosity, how will they enforce laws that make it illegal to use around kids? I mean, they made laws about drinking and driving, so they'll have to do something about the context pot is used in, correct? If the government condones the use of it, they would have to enact laws to control where and when, right? Such as not using around kids, or within 50 feet of a daycare or whatever, right?

[Waifer2112]

I agree completely and yes I've gotten ONE speeding ticket. However, my ONE ticket hardly compares to felony manufacture/distribution of a controlled substance.

As for those that are dying or ill, then yes, isn't that the core basis to medical marijuana (not that I agree)? However, exactly how many of these busts are medical? Not many comparatively. The fact remains that possession, manufacture, distribution of a controlled substance, as defined by CRS, is illegal. This is not news. So do I feel bad for people that get busted? NO. Just as I don't have an ounce of sympathy for drunk drivers either. Everyone makes choices.

No one asked you if you felt bad. I think some are just asking for you to open your mind a little, past the "it's illegal so that's that" position, and give us a REASON you seem to support it's illegality.

[Waifer2112]

Just out of morbid curiosity, how will they enforce laws that make it illegal to use around kids? I mean, they made laws about drinking and driving, so they'll have to do something about the context pot is used in, correct? If the government condones the use of it, they would have to enact laws to control where and when, right? Such as not using around kids, or within 50 feet of a daycare or whatever, right?

I would think most laws would correspond with the current smoking/drinking ones. Why couldn't you "use" it around kids? Should we enact laws to prohibit drinking around kids? And as a smoker, I'm sure you'd agree with a new nanny law prohibiting cig. smoking around kids then, too, right? :rolleyes:

[RebelRescuer]

No one asked you if you felt bad. I think some are just asking for you to open your mind a little, past the "it's illegal so that's that" position, and give us a REASON you seem to support it's illegality.

Ok. I think it SHOULD be illegal because of the reasons that so many are trying to make it legal. (I know that makes no sense, so let me explain). From what I understand, the basis or argument for legalization is that we cannot enforce the laws we currently have. Meaning that we can't control the flow of pot, the use of pot, we cannot bust everyone. Am I right?

If I'm right, then I feel that its a "defeatest" law to legalize it. In essence, its like saying that we can't control it, so legalize it. To me, that's no different than saying, "We have too many DUI's and can't catch them all, so we should just make it legal". I think it opens a lot of doors, and to what benefit? :shrug:

Is there another argument for legalization that I'm not aware of?

[FORMULA51]

Edit - Maybe there IS a good reason for morons to smoke it. Evolution through pot!
http://cannabis.net/sperm/index.html


if it weren't for smoking i would be the most combative person on the planet. And, i can tell you what that i'm more fertile than a rabbit. your sperm "conspiracy theory" doesn't work for my case.


evolution works if you believe you can evolve. do you believe in god?

[RebelRescuer]

I would think most laws would correspond with the current smoking/drinking ones. Why couldn't you "use" it around kids? Should we enact laws to prohibit drinking around kids? And as a smoker, I'm sure you'd agree with a new nanny law prohibiting cig. smoking around kids then, too, right? :rolleyes:

I absolutely agree with not smoking around kids. And certainly not pot! I mean, I don't claim to be an expert on its use, but can't people who are around burning pot get high too? I'm thinking that's not great for kids. One can drink around a kid because the kid can't get drunk off of the fumes, but can't they get high from pot smoke?

[Joker]

Got any stats or info to back that up, or is it just another one of those "facts" that only you are privvy to?

How would one get the stats you?re looking for Steve? Is there a polling place that one might run too?

I agree with him. There are more VERY successful people who smoke pot than you might think Steve.

Now...I used to smoke when I was single and a bit younger.
Trust me when I say that you sort of get to know these things over time from ?talking? to other people that smoke.

[CLYDE]

Ok. I think it SHOULD be illegal because of the reasons that so many are trying to make it legal. (I know that makes no sense, so let me explain). From what I understand, the basis or argument for legalization is that we cannot enforce the laws we currently have. Meaning that we can't control the flow of pot, the use of pot, we cannot bust everyone. Am I right?

If I'm right, then I feel that its a "defeatest" law to legalize it. In essence, its like saying that we can't control it, so legalize it. To me, that's no different than saying, "We have too many DUI's and can't catch them all, so we should just make it legal". I think it opens a lot of doors, and to what benefit? :shrug:

Is there another argument for legalization that I'm not aware of?So then how do you feel about the repeal of prohibition?? Right, Wrong? We are talking about basically the same thing here, and for a lot of the same reasons

[CLYDE]

I absolutely agree with not smoking around kids. And certainly not pot! I mean, I don't claim to be an expert on its use, but can't people who are around burning pot get high too? I'm thinking that's not great for kids. One can drink around a kid because the kid can't get drunk off of the fumes, but can't they get high from pot smoke?I have been around cases where a kid picked up a glass that someone set down, and drank it, and thats not an uncommon occurrence, happened several times when I worked volunteer fire many years ago. and in at least one of those cases the kid died. ????? Im not picking on you, I just find your points to be a bit flawed in some cases.

[CLYDE]

I would have to sort of Concur with Joker, I know a lot of professionals that smoke recreationally. people you would never imagine that partake:D

[Steve]

How would one get the stats you?re looking for Steve? Is there a polling place that one might run too?


Dunno where you'd get the stats. I didn't make the assertion that MOST of those who smoke pot are in some category. It may well be true; I was just asking how he knew that. :shrug:

I really don't care what people do in their own home, whether it's MJ or other stuff. I really don't care if it's legalized either.

[Steve]

Oh, and for those of you who want to resort to personal insults of others in this thread, don't. :thumbsdown:

[Swat]

I would have to sort of Concur with Joker, I know a lot of professionals that smoke recreationally. people you would never imagine that partake:D


In a land far away and forgotten I had personal knowledge of a judge, attorneys, a doctor, two dentists, several professors, and a genius top programmer for Cisco sytems that would partake.

[CLYDE]

lets just say its amazing the people who let down their guard at MC rallies.

[Steve]

lets just say its amazing the people who are willing to show their bewbies at MC rallies.

Fixed it for ya Clyde. :D

[CLYDE]

ehh not so much as the old days. ya gotta go to the smaller rallies, with less cops per acre to see the good bewbage.

[Tom N]

Imagine what would happen if all employers had mandatory drug testing on a regular (say Quarterly) basis.

[Leon Phelps]

Imagine what would happen if all employers had mandatory drug testing on a regular (say Quarterly) basis.

Lotsa unemployment.

[Impaired]

Fairly cheap. I do Pre-employment Tests and then Random as necessary. $28.00 per test.

[Steve]

Imagine what would happen if all employers had mandatory drug testing on a regular (say Quarterly) basis.

That's precisely why drugs aren't an option for me or anybody I work with. Most places we work do initial and random tests. Positive test = unemployment. :)

[architect1]

Got any stats or info to back that up, or is it just another one of those "facts" that only you are privvy to?

Steve,

If they had a report to get the FACTS that you request people would have to admit to the use. This could/would cause issues for them in the work place. If they did have a report saying that 20% of Doctors use MarryJANE then the GOV would come down on them and start testing like mad and that would go for any group that would be included in a report. So people do not fill out reports saying they use, I know I wouldn?t.

I have/do know all the groups I listed to have a large amount of MaryJane users. I have nothing to prove or show facts but it all starts as teenagers in middle class, Because they can Afford to BUY the Weed:)

You can take my Word or Not? Whatever makes you happy.
I would bet that the type of facts you are requesting are out in some form but I don?t have the time to make you understand. Good Luck

[architect1]

That's precisely why drugs aren't an option for me or anybody I work with. Most places we work do initial and random tests. Positive test = unemployment. :)


There are many ways around a Random. You should look it up and just see how many are out there. Some work Some don't.:thumbsup:

[Joker]

There are many ways around a Random. You should look it up and just see how many are out there. Some work Some don't.:thumbsup:

Yeah, randoms don't scare most people if they know what they are doing.

[FORMULA51]

There are many ways around a Random. You should look it up and just see how many are out there. Some work Some don't.:thumbsup:



you and i both know people high up in the food chain that smokes, and actually takes care of people. Who also passes every single test they take. WHY? cause they know what they're doing.

Heck i know a P.O. in Jeffco, that smokes and uses HEAVILY. even more than i

[Steve]

There are many ways around a Random. You should look it up and just see how many are out there. Some work Some don't.:thumbsup:

I'll pass, thanks. The risk is not worth the reward for me. For others, maybe so, which is okey dokey as far as I'm concerned.

[DaJudge]

I'll pass, thanks. The risk is not worth the reward for me. For others, maybe so, which is okey dokey as far as I'm concerned.
x leventy billion. That or a DUI would get me fired in a New York minute.

[RebelRescuer]

Yeah, randoms don't scare most people if they know what they are doing.

But if its so great, nonharmful, lots of professionals use it etc etc etc then why hide it? Why not work with these alleged professionals and then everyone can do it openly?

I have no problem with pot on a moral level. But I do have a problem with laws, lying, hiding, etc on a moral level. That's not to say that everything I do would be something I'd do in the middle of a grocery store (wink, wink) but if its so great, then why hide it? On the same note, if it were so great for professionals, why do employers test for it? Maybe because they can't afford for people to get hurt at work? Or maybe because its freaking illegal? Maybe because it shows a total disregard for rules? For me, the calculated risk (or pot odds...no pun intended) just aren't good enough.

I see a lot of hypocrisy in this thread. On one hand, several people are fairly open about their consumption HERE but know all the tricks to hide it elsewhere. If you firmly believe in something that is neither harmful and "practically" legal, than why hide it when the cops, or your boss, or whomever comes around? Or maybe I'm totally off-base and its something done in the company of others, say at a party...because everyone else is doing it? Now that doesn't seem like good reasoning either.

Anyway, what exactly does anyone GAIN from using it? Is it a numbing feeling like alcohol? I'm thinking it doesn't help you get your work done faster, or burn calories, make you pretty, or help you get a girlfriend....so what's the deal?

[Joker]

But if its so great, nonharmful, lots of professionals use it etc etc etc then why hide it?

Is really a serious question?

[Jake_Blues]

From what I understand, the basis or argument for legalization is that we cannot enforce the laws we currently have. Meaning that we can't control the flow of pot, the use of pot, we cannot bust everyone. Am I right?

I think the main valid reason for legalizing it is that there is no really valid reason for it to be illegal in the first place. It is on par with cigarettes or alcohol for its harmful effects. The fact that the government isn't enforcing the law is mainly seen as proof of the lack of any real harm. If this was a real problem causing social or economic harm, there would be more enforcement of the law.

people are fairly open about their consumption HERE but know all the tricks to hide it elsewhere. If you firmly believe in something that is neither harmful and "practically" legal, than why hide it when the cops, or your boss, or whomever comes around?


Getting high is legal in the same way that exceeding the speed limit is legal. It is legal by group agreement, and it is legal because the police can't enforce the relevant laws to any large extent, but if you speed/smoke pot right in front of a cop, you're gonna get arrested.


Anyway, what exactly does anyone GAIN from using it? Is it a numbing feeling like alcohol? I'm thinking it doesn't help you get your work done faster, or burn calories, make you pretty, or help you get a girlfriend....so what's the deal?

I can't give you a personal account, having never used the stuff, but my understanding is that it is similar to alcohol in many ways. Effects vary by the person, and by the amount taken, but lowered inhibitions, memory loss, euphoria, light headedness, etc. are all common. I would think many of the reasons for smoking pot are similar to the reasons for drinking alcohol. Makes you feel good, social activity, escapism, etc.

As for not helping you get a girlfriend... tell that to all the guys around the world getting girls drunk or high in order to lower their inhibitions :D

-E

[Impaired]

When we direct an employee to go get a drug test for a random, they have 30minutes or so to get to the test facility. If they refuse, terminated. Not much to do with yourself in 30 minutes that wouldn't show up as well. We had to terminate our delivery drive just two weeks ago due to this.

[Steve]

When we direct an employee to go get a drug test for a random, they have 30minutes or so to get to the test facility.

When we do randoms, the person is told by their supervisor - who then escorts them to the testing facility. Refuse to go? You're unemployed.

[architect1]

30 min, EASY to pass,
Pulling you from your desk? Some guy had a book about how to always piss clean. you drink clay in water and sit a sauna or something. To each their own?

[Impaired]

Our last delivery driver didn't think so, but he might not have been as smart. Must have been on drugs or something?:shrug:

[Joker]

Our last delivery driver didn't think so, but he might not have been as smart. Must have been on drugs or something?:shrug:

Or maybe he didn't think the job was worth it.:shrug:

[Impaired]

Probably, Drugs/Alcohol lowered his ambitions to complete his job and we have a thing for expecting performance. I'm sure there is a job out that will work better for the person. :shrug:

[FORMULA51]

honestly, unless it is county or state or fed mandated, the testing facility CAN NOT watch you urinate.


Then all you have to do is keep the synthetic urine in your ride, and you're good to go. There is no way to screw this up. unless of course you can't find a quick microwave

[Steve]

There is no way to screw this up...

Read my last post.

[RebelRescuer]

Don't some testing companies use your hair though? I've heard that hair is like the rings on a tree. It'll show what you've been up to (unless of course you keep your head shaved and shiny).

I had to handle a fake, um, well ya know and it had all sorts of tubes and stuff to put someone else's "sample" in. The sad part is that it was obviously designed for a caucasian man and the person in question was not at all caucasian. Now THAT was funny!! He was busted because the nurse at the testing facility noticed a distinct lack of pigmentation.

[JKTODD]

I can't believe this thread is on page 3.

:popcorn:

I don't really like the feeling of inebriation. I don't think I ever really did. A little buzz is fun but not being drop down drunk or so high that you don't really know what you are doing anymore. On that note I do like adrenaline type activities. Driving fast in a car or on a motorcycle. Mountain biking, freeclimbing-stuf like that. Gets the heart rate up!

[Yota]

I don't think it's really in society's interest to add another intoxicant to the list of what's legal, but I also don't think MJ is nearly as harmful or addictive as alcohol or tobacco.

I do think MJ is a gateway drug but that is partially because it is illegal. The gateway may not just be the drug itself but the willingness to break the law in order to consume it.

I'm softening my stance on legalization but I still say it must be done at the national level or not at all.

[Leon Phelps]

To each their own on the choice on MJ. I'm for legalization and taxation, but I do agree, do it on the national level or not at all.

[Gags]

Decriminalize. Just don't prosecute.

When you think of the reason it was made illegal in the first place you really wonder. It was made illegal first in GA for Black people only...Then the law spread...WTF.

[Gags]

It doesn't have to be on a "national" level. A lot of states have very different laws and it works pretty good. Such as the various state laws regarding tobacco and alcohol.

[newracer]

It should be legal and should be used for all its uses, paper, rope, oil, textiles, etc. not just :smokin:

[Leon Phelps]

It doesn't have to be on a "national" level. A lot of states have very different laws and it works pretty good. Such as the various state laws regarding tobacco and alcohol.

Think about the fact that it's still illegal at the fed level. Easy enough to have a case just turn over to the federal court system, still have to "fight" the man.

[Gags]

Think about the fact that it's still illegal at the fed level. Easy enough to have a case just turn over to the federal court system, still have to "fight" the man.

The Fed's could give a sh!t about prosecuting for small amounts of weed. They're focused on homeland security, terrorism, illegal guns and such. They don't even have the man power to regulate alcohol traffic over the internet.

[Leon Phelps]

Agreed. But it takes only one "bullshit", I got busted with a few dime bags case(s) to set precedent.

EDIT: Lets be real Gags, both you and I know that "Big Brother" is known to throw damn near infinite resources and manpower at what the typical American would consider a utter waste of time.

[Gags]

Agreed. But it takes only one "bullshit", I got busted with a few dime bags case(s) to set precedent.

EDIT: Lets be real Gags, both you and I know that "Big Brother" is known to throw damn near infinite resources and manpower at what the typical American would consider a utter waste of time.

And that is called politics. "The War on Drugs" is a not a priority for the feds right now.

[Leon Phelps]

And that is called politics. "The War on Drugs" is a not a priority for the feds right now.

True, the Regan era is dead and Americans have short term memory as a nation. :beer:

[Gags]

True, the Regan era is dead and Americans have short term memory as a nation. :beer:

Short term memory...So true...The united states of amnesia...In so many things.:beer:

[Dagimp]

Either way, that cop sounds like he's interpreting the law the way he likes it.

"I think it's the HEIGHT OF ABSURDITY AND THE DEATH OF COMMON SENSE..." -who talks like that?? Like it or not officer, THAT'S THE LAW!



btw I don't even smoke pot.

Most cops think the law doesnt apply to them. They should pay the full fine JUST LIKE THE LAW SAYS. The same laws they are supposed to be enforcing.

Another reason why they should pay the full fine is because they were WRONG. I'm know for sure that guy told them what he was doing was legal. I bet he couldnt shutup about it all the way from his house to the cell. But they ignored him, they didnt like and they're above the law so they arrested him and took his plants. They thought for sure nothing would happen to them.

$369K is good way to remind the police department not to violate peoples rights and pull BS like this. I hope someone at the police dept loses there job for this.