S.o.s

[cwkelle]

driving back from work down santa fe the scout tried to kill me..........short of it is the pass side front tire fell off......lol, sound crazy well it is...

looked at my owner manual and there isnt a good discription......were the caliber attaches to the doo-dad that attaches it to the axle, that busted, and were that part attaches to the disc brake thingie it ripped off.......


any ideas on what to do?

gotta say when you doing 50 and your tire almost comes completely off, and you got no roll bar, well i was shaking.........

only thing that is keeping the wheel from falling off is the strap i used so the tire would fall off and the scout come crashing down when it was towed......

[CLYDE]

Chris are you running a 44 front?? If so I probably have whatever parts you need to fix it, tho Im not sure from your description what you broke. I do have a scout 44 front here at the house tho.

[creepycrawler]

I'm not really sure of what you just said but I'm sure that it sucked.

[gmule]

I think he either broke the ball joints or tie rod end.

[Frank Z]

Knuckle perhaps?

[Steve]

I think he either broke the ball joints or tie rod end.

Tire wouldn't fall off if the tie rod end broke. Sounds like ball joints or the knuckle broke to me.

[cwkelle]

its a dana44, and sorry guys i know i sound like an tard, service manual isnt giving me what i need........but if you looked at the inside of the wheel were the disc brake attaches it tore off, and when that went the part that holds the caliber tore off, crap i cant find a picture to get the right terms, and my camera took a dump.......


clyde, do the dana 44 have disc brakes on'em?


no its not the knuckle, its were the disc brake comes back to the spindle, maybe?

[Frank Z]

Sounds like your describing a steering knuckle.

http://www.pavementsucks.com/tech/hub03.jpg

[Steve]

no its not the knuckle, its were the disc brake comes back to the spindle, maybe?

That would be the knuckle.


Doh! Frank's too fast. :silly:

[Frank Z]

Finally Fast at 45!!

[cwkelle]

frank that does look like what i'm talking about, thanks, that part went to crap....were the caliber attaches to that ripped off and were that goes out to the wheel ripped off to.....what i see now is the inside of were my wheel locks are......like if i took off my locking hubs, i'm looking at that stuff.....so does that mean i should be able to use my disc brake i have now, just replace that steering thing?

[Steve]

Finally Fast at 45!!

Young whippersnapper. :flipoff2:

[supremebeholder]

its a dana44, and sorry guys i know i sound like an tard, service manual isnt giving me what i need........but if you looked at the inside of the wheel were the disc brake attaches it tore off, and when that went the part that holds the caliber tore off, crap i cant find a picture to get the right terms, and my camera took a dump.......


clyde, do the dana 44 have disc brakes on'em?


no its not the knuckle, its were the disc brake comes back to the spindle, maybe?

The knuckle has the ball joints in it, and steering arm on it. The caliper bracket is the piece that holds the caliper. The spindle is a hollow tube that the bearings and rotor spin on. Inside the spindle is the outer axle shaft. The rotor is the big round thing that the brake pads squeeze.

The caliper bracket and spindle both attach to the knuckle with 8 studs, and the rotor and bearings slide on the end of the spindle and are retained by some large nuts that screw on the end of the spindle, and finally the hub slides on the axle shaft and bolts to the rotor.

You could lose the wheel if the spindle nuts came lose, they?re the big nuts that hold the bearings on the spindle, if you somehow sheared all the bolts holding the spindle and caliper mounting bracket to the knuckle, or if your ball joints failed.

[Frank Z]

Yes, provided that the new steering knuckle is the same as the old one...just not broke.:P

Inspect everything associated with your steering and brake system that may have been damaged.

[TheCopperCowboy]

Now is a good time to upgrade with a flat top Waggy 44. :cool:

[Frank Z]

Who built the axle?

[cwkelle]

d&c

so from the post above i think the knuckle ripped in half and then the caliper bracket busted

[supremebeholder]

Did he rebuild it or just do the SOA?

Also, you're running 35's right? What's the backspacing on the rims? Big tires and little backspacing is hard in wheel bearings and ball joints.

[cwkelle]

rebuild.....and its not the knucklehttp://www.reidracing.biz/images/d44002.jpg

it happened after this...closer to the wheel

[cwkelle]

http://www.jeeptech.com/convaxle/ihscout/ss10.jpg

okay if you look at this picture were the rotor is, mine tore at the tube that brings the rotor back to the d44....and the caliper bracket broke where the caliper attaches to it

[vb]

spindle bearings? spindle maybe?

[supremebeholder]

Here's an exploded view:

http://broncograveyard.com/dia/7/d44diadisc.jpg

[cwkelle]

from that picture it would be whatever covers the spindle ripped and is showing the gears on the inside

[newracer]

So the rotor broke? Or the nut came off and the whole assembly came apart?

[supremebeholder]

It sounds like either wheel bearing failure where the trashed bearings also tore the spindle nut off, then the loose rotor tore the caliper off when it went, or the spindle nut came off of its own accord, and the loose rotor tore the caliper off.

[cwkelle]

no, no nuts the metal ripped in half...the rotor is fine, i guess, its the part that attaches the rotor to the knuckle that tore in half

[newracer]

The spindle then.

[supremebeholder]

The spindle tore in half? The spindle bolts to the knuckle and the rotor spins around it.

[Frank Z]

Hells Bells! Someone's got to say it.....

























:worthless:

[cwkelle]

i know i wish i could post some pics.....yes the rotor is fine, whatever the rotor bolts to that covers the spindle? ripped, i mean the metal twisted or something and it ripped off
so now the gears on the inside are showing, and the bolts on the end of them are still tight

[newracer]

Maybe a bearing seized and then wore through the spindle. That happened once on my Mom's '62 VW bug. :D

[CLYDE]

its a dana44, and sorry guys i know i sound like an tard, service manual isnt giving me what i need........but if you looked at the inside of the wheel were the disc brake attaches it tore off, and when that went the part that holds the caliber tore off, crap i cant find a picture to get the right terms, and my camera took a dump.......


clyde, do the dana 44 have disc brakes on'em?


no its not the knuckle, its were the disc brake comes back to the spindle, maybe?
Yes it has a disc setup.

[CLYDE]

he broke the hub from what i can tell,, yeah chris I have a hub. the part that spins that has the disc on it and the lug studs pressed thru it that spins on the spindle, right???

[CLYDE]

you will need a spindle, a hub, and new bearings, sounds like the inner hub bearing siezed, and twisted the hub apart from your description.

[cwkelle]

hey clyde do you have any of that stuff on your dana44? i also need the part that the caliper attaches too.....

[OlBlueCJ7]

Clyde, please do the world a favor and explain some correct terminology to this guy when he comes to pick up the parts you are so graciously offering.

I haven't had a thread make my hurt as bad as this one in a long time.

FWIW, it sounds to me like maybe a spindle bearing seized up & broke the spindle, like Mike suggests.

[cwkelle]

Clyde, please do the world a favor and explain some correct terminology to this guy when he comes to pick up the parts you are so graciously offering.

I haven't had a thread make my hurt as bad as this one in a long time.

FWIW, it sounds to me like maybe a spindle bearing seized up & broke the spindle, like Mike suggests.

gotta start somewhere:shrug: , thanks

[CSP]

I haven't had a thread make my hurt as bad as this one in a long time.

:D

I'll say no more...

Chris if Clyde doesn't have everything many of those outer parts are shared with Jeep Dana 30s (CJ Dana 30s that is).

[Steve]

Clyde, please do the world a favor and explain some correct terminology to this guy when he comes to pick up the parts you are so graciously offering.

x eleventy bazillion

And dude, get some kind of roll bar or cage installed ASAP before you get yourself seriously hurt or killed.

[OlBlueCJ7]

gotta start somewhere:shrug: , thanks

Right you are - hopefully Clyde can point you in the right general direction! :thumbsup:

[cheftyler]

So the wheel came off...did the rotor make contact, or prolonged contact accented by sparks, with the pavement? If so, you'll probably want it replaced.

[CLYDE]

hey clyde do you have any of that stuff on your dana44? i also need the part that the caliper attaches too.....
chris, might have to dig around a little but I should have everything you need here, I had taken the axle out of that side to fix my scout, but all the parts are still here somewhere.

[cwkelle]

chris, might have to dig around a little but I should have everything you need here, I had taken the axle out of that side to fix my scout, but all the parts are still here somewhere.

shoot me a pm when you get a chance to give it a looksee, and let me know what you want for it....thanks for you help.....

the wheel did come off but only because the spindle ripped in half, so the rotor and the caliper is still together, just not attached to the scout, lol....

ya i think i'm gonna park it until i can afford a roll cage, i was shakin like a leaf when i saw what happened, if that dude would have come off before i got stopped at 50, it would have flipped her i'm sure.......

[cwkelle]

the axle never hit the ground, when i stopped and looked the insides of the spindle? was exsposed and there was about a half inch still inside the side toward the wheel

[cwkelle]

hey clyde, 69scout says hes got everything i should need, he said we should be able to get her back up and working over the weekend....i'll let you know if we dont have something, incase you might.......thanks:beer: ....dont want you to dig around if you dont have to.

[SCOUTMAN67]

If between Clyde and Brig you don't get all the parts together to fix it, I also have all the parts you would need to fix it.

-Gary

[CLYDE]

hey clyde, 69scout says hes got everything i should need, he said we should be able to get her back up and working over the weekend....i'll let you know if we dont have something, incase you might.......thanks:beer: ....dont want you to dig around if you dont have to.
Just let me know.

[cwkelle]

thanks guys, to everyone that posted up, thanks clyde, gary, and brigs you guys rock

[TheCopperCowboy]

Seriously, I mean WTF? I thought someone would have to pry this rust bucket out of your cold, dead hands. Are you joining the Jeep crowd now? :flipoff2:

[supremebeholder]

I thought he said on the RMB list that he wasn't going to sell it.

[TheCopperCowboy]

Ad is almost a month old. It's just when the "brand wars" or "what's the best stock 4x4" poll comes around, he'll try to park that binder front and center. Where's the love? :shrug:

[supremebeholder]

I kinda wondered that too.

[cwkelle]

times were pretty hard when i posted that ad, i've had 3 people offer me what i wanted but i'm not sellin it.....i'm just waiting for the ad to get deleted now......

"he'll try to park that binder front and center." dont get it

[OlBlueCJ7]

i'm just waiting for the ad to get deleted now......

You can delete your own threads & posts. ;)

[SCOUTMAN67]

I met Chris on Saturday and looked at his truck. It looked like the inner hub bearing took a dump. The hub went all cock-eyed and the rotor started rubbing on the caliper mount. Eventually the outer bearing went and then the wheel almost fell off. I'm guessing the only thing that held the wheel on was the brake caliper. :eek:

-Gary

[CLYDE]

Did you get him fixed up Gary? I got some parts pulled for him sitting here for him to pick up.

[SCOUTMAN67]

Did you get him fixed up Gary? I got some parts pulled for him sitting here for him to pick up.

I got him a caliper mount...

[CLYDE]

Ok then I dont have to worry about this stuff getting buried under another snowdrift this week.