Winchester silver tip

[BIGNICK91K5]

I can not find winchester silver tip .40 S&W 155gr. anywhere

does any one know where i can find these i have looked at a few local shops, and Gander Mtn Bass Pro Cabelas :shrug:

[Budman]

last I picked up STs was sportsman's

[springsman]

got werewolves?

[DanaT]

There is better ammo in 40.

I would suggest Ranger (if you can get it) or Remington Golden Saber.

The GS bullet was designed by the same person who did the winchester balck talon bullet (which became Ranger SXT). The GS is just an updated design.

-Dana

[jnschwie]

last I picked up STs was sportsman's

x2, although in the .45 ACP variety.


I'm not sure I need *better* ammo.

I'm actually happy carrying WWB in JHP variety.

[BIGNICK91K5]

what do you guys think about Federal's hydrashok i have never liked federal ammo but this stuff looks alright.

[jnschwie]

I personally think exotic ammo is more $ than value.
I've yet to *ever* have a failure with cheapy WWB.

It is dirty, so that's why I shoot something else at the range, but for self-defense, I'm happy with it.

[ccondrey]

Okay, at the risk of being a web ammo dork - here's my two cents...

Modern, premium ammo - (see speer gold dot, winchester ranger T, remington golden sabre, federal hst)
extensively tested to reliably expand through various mediums (denim, wallboard, glass, etc) to a depth of no less than 12" in ballistic gelatin - has proven street credibility

Exotic ammo - (see glaser, magsafe, extremeshock, etc)
extensively marketed, over hyped, and under tested - no, or little street cred/testing

Boutique ammo - (see corbon, doubletap, etc)
somewhere between premium and exotic, unable to put the budget dollars toward the extensive testing that win, fed, speer and other 'big boys' can, conflicting reports about whether the higher velocities achieved in these types of ammo create premature expansion (and subsequently less penetration) using hollow points that were designed to perform at slower speeds, limited street data

Dated/budget ammo (see wwb, hydrashock)
Hydrashock was king in the early 90s and is still a 'good' round, but there are better. WWB = budget ammo 'nuff said

All of it is going to go bang every time, cycle your gun, and put a hole in what you are shooting.

If you care enough to buy a quality firearm, jump through the hoops for a ccw, take time and money out of your day to become proficient, spend the extra $ and get a premium hollowpoint. The premium brands mentioned above can be had for $20-25 per box of 50 - or less if you look around.

I also run premium gas in my vehicles - go figure. :beer:

[jnschwie]

Waste of money.

[Jeffro600]

Waste of money.

Waste of money to use something thats proven and shown to perform at the highest performance and reliability rates??

:shrug:

When it comes to self defense, ill take every advantage i can get. You might not have had a failure with the WWB, but i can guarantee its ballistic performance is nowhere near what todays premiums ammos offer.

[jnschwie]

OK, but then you'll have guys using 9mm and .380 and what not.

Crappy .45ACP still gonna leave a much bigger hole.

[Jeffro600]

OK, but then you'll have guys using 9mm and .380 and what not.



Thats a whole different debate...

[ZappBranigan]

Thats a whole different debate...

Not so much a debate as a :deadhorse:

[bcw1284]

anyone looked at the Hornaday TAP ammo for defense? looks like some good stuff.

[BJL913]

a while back i had gone to all the major ammo defence ammo company web sites and collected "their" ballistic info for different types of ammo. based on fps, fps@50ft, energy and energy @50ft, i concluded that in 9mm the winchester sxt in 124gr+p was one of the best, for .40 it was the 155gr federal hydrashock, and in .45 it was the 200gr+p hornaday TAP. i dont remember any of the figures and cant find the file on my hard drive but if i remember correctly these rounds seemed to carry their energy out to 50ft alot better than most and were not running at abnormally fast speeds from the muzzle compared to other rounds and the +p stuff in 9mm and 45 wasnt that much faster than the standard pressure stuff, but carried its energy and speed out to 50ft alot better.

[BIGNICK91K5]

1205fps & 500 ft pounds ouch--and worth the money

Silver tip 155gr.

[MQ79]

1205fps & 500 ft pounds ouch--and worth the money

Silver tip 155gr.

If you think that is impressive, check out DoubleTap Ammunition -

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php?cPath=21_26&osCsid=738dc349dc6119e9d992f862ad59d151

I've been really happy with their 10mm ammo.

For a defensive round, I like Gold Dots. I've always found them to be very reliable through my guns and they always get good reviews in all the tests I've read.

[DanaT]

I need more DT ammo.

One thing about "boutique" ammo is that some (such as Double Tap) use high quality bullets (i.e. Golden Saber) or XTP. With the XTP hornady even publishes their velecoity envelope.

One thing that people fail to mention is that ALOT of ammo is typically good with limited penetration. Statisically speaking (look at police shootings), more bullets miss the intended target that hit the target in a defensive shooting situation. I think police are about 5 misses for each hit. Most police are better trained and calmer in a panic situation than normal CCW or other defensive gun users. Having a lot of ammo to make up for the misses is good and having limited penetration of the misses is good.

-Dana