F150 VS. Tundra

[khag4]

I'm in the market for a new truck... I really like the FX4 Four door F150, I have also heard good things about the tundra. I will mostly be using this Truck as a daily driver, I do work in construction so i'll have to throw some tools in the back every once in a awhile, pull a trailer rarely (I have axess to a F-350 for that,) and of course put misc. construction crap in the bed... Any input will be helpful.....
thanks

[Chris Halvorson]

Test drive them both and see how you like them...and when you are all done, do a search on Ebay Motors for the Tundra...a lot cheaper than here in CO.

[khag4]

Yeah I'm actualy going to go down to Texas to buy it... I have some family friends in the car bus. so hopefully alittle cheaper down there too....

[Action Jackson]

I picked up a new Tundra in March and sure love it. You won't be dissapointed especially if you like to go fast and like the extra ponies ;)

[Wild Hare]

they are both great trucks, have been in both and even tho i am a diehard ford guy i like the toy

[loganschmidlkofer]

they have the superchrged tundra.

[Budman]

Drive them and compare the price. Also If you decide to go with the ford, fire me a PM first. I can get you a discount.

[02RangerFX4]

The f-150's a dog. I drove one earlier in the week while my Ranger was getting some stuff done, I was disappointed in it. Getting on I-25SB at Arapahoe i got beat by a Civic it was so sluggish.

[Da Kine]

Here is some interesting info that has come out about reliabilty of both Toyota and Ford.

http://jalopnik.com/cars/vehicle-quality/toyota-drops-in-consumer-reports-annual-car-reliability-survey-ford-improves-311751.php

[Handful of Cream]

My F-150 is a dog too. I have a TB spacer, intake and the Edge on it. Towing in Orlando, FL. was fine, got it here and will not get out of it's own shadow. It's kinda sad when you have to down shift when I drive up the hill going east on E470 at Sana Fa. BTW: it's has the 4.6L and auto.

[Anthrax]

Toyota vs. Ford :confused: NO BRAINER... Toyota Tundra :D

[vb]

ive got a really nice 05. 4 door, red, winch, mtr's, front coilovers, bed liner, great shape, for sale

[vrmtklr]

I own an 02 f150 has over 81000 miles and still pulles my boat up floyd hill and kenosha pass very well. Its not a small aluminum boat either, 18 foot fiberglass basstracker. I think when this one dies i'll get another one.

[Leon Phelps]

4.6's are garbage, thats the issue. I had a '98 F-150 with a 4.6 for a few months, outright DOG, just slow. Engine only had about 60k since a Napa crate was dropped in. Ran Hooker headers and a Magnaflow exhaust. Also had a K&N Intake Tube with the conical filter..... just no power.

The '99 F-150 with the 5.4 I had was a night and day difference. It was totally stock outside of a drop in K&N and it had the factory option 3.73 gears. Had 146k when I ditched the damn thing and totaled it last month, I honestly thought I was going to get over 200k on the driveline.

[khag4]

thanks guys...

[strom911]

Not to diss any Ford lovers but, the quality of Ford products sucks. Sure they are cheaper, but you get what you pay for. A friend of mine works for Allied towing up at Idaho SPrings. The problems with the fleet of tow vehicles all seem to relate back to the Ford's they own.
My .02 =Toyota, Dodge, Chevy, all better than Ford.

[Steve]

Not to diss any Ford lovers but, the quality of Ford products sucks. Sure they are cheaper, but you get what you pay for. A friend of mine works for Allied towing up at Idaho SPrings. The problems with the fleet of tow vehicles all seem to relate back to the Ford's they own.
My .02 =Toyota, Dodge, Chevy, all better than Ford.

Didn't read the link in this post, did ya? :P Consumer Reports doesn't agree with you.

Here is some interesting info that has come out about reliabilty of both Toyota and Ford.

http://jalopnik.com/cars/vehicle-quality/toyota-drops-in-consumer-reports-annual-car-reliability-survey-ford-improves-311751.php

USA Today had a big story about this a couple of days ago. Overall rankings for Ford are higher in initial quality than for Toyota right now. GM and Dodge were both quite significantly lower than either Ford or Toyota. The Tundra is one of the models they specifically call our for "declining reliability." Of course, this is for new vehicles, not older ones. Seems Ford has caught up and passed Toyota for initial quality according to Consumer Reports.

[Marcus]

My uncle has the '06 f-150 four door with the 5.4 Trition and its a joke. If your looking for a daily drive you might want to consider a Tacoma. My dad has an '07 with the 4.0 V6 and 6-speed manual. It will put those tritons to shame. Gets around 20mpg and its pretty fast. Its the 4-door TRD package so its loaded. I do love those tundras but they can get rather pricey. They do sound reallying appealing with 400hp and a 6-speed automatic :D. I've seen a couple of those tundra's run and put some mustang GT's behind them with no problem lol. Stick with toyota and you won't be disappointed no matter what you get :D

[Steve]

I've seen a couple of those tundra's run and put some mustang GT's behind them with no problem lol.

:bs:

[Leon Phelps]

Steve, that is what we call a illusion of grandeur.

[Anthrax]

Here is some interesting info that has come out about reliabilty of both Toyota and Ford.

http://jalopnik.com/cars/vehicle-quality/toyota-drops-in-consumer-reports-annual-car-reliability-survey-ford-improves-311751.php

Since this was such a scientific report... I'll just fill in the number for them.

Toyota Tundra had a 91% reliability rating down to 89 %
Ford F-150 had a 68% reliability rating up to 69%

:rolleyes:

[Colorado Cruiser]

I work at a Bighorn Toyota in Glenwood Springs. I appraise used cars for a living. I have driven all of the big 3's current model year as well as the previous 9 years dating back to 1998. I assure you that the current tundra is better in quality and power. Before anybody starts bashing a product I would encourage them to come down to the lot and drive a tundra no strings attached. You wont even have to deal with a sales person. I can send you out by yourself....That includes you Steve.

Go check out this video on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2yLIQ0pRcM

[vb]

nice vid but the toyota is in 4 wheel drive. the ford is not. still tundras are nice. ive never had to have any thing done to mine. the last 3 trucks i had were fords and all of them needed warranty work more then once.

[Steve]

That includes you Steve.

:flipoff2: I wasn't bashing any of them. I have a U.S. made diesel, just like you do, so I have no interest in a Tundra or any others.

[Bauer]

nice vid but the toyota is in 4 wheel drive..


Thats what I was thinking.. Also pretty sure the Tundra has a rear locker..

[forum]

Go check out this video on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2yLIQ0pRcM



All that video proves is that the Tundra had better traction.

[Action Jackson]

No rear locker option on the new Tundra however in 2WD the Tundra has an auto limited slip diff in the rear. That's why there was no tire slip in the video. Up to 10,800 lbs towing is a plus.

It only has 381 HP and 401 lbft torque. 0-60 in 6.1s. I'm pretty sure a Mustang could do a faster 0-60 :D but it's fun to race anyone in this truck and watch the look on thier faces.

Only thing I admit I don't like on the new Tundra is the bed bounces too much on washboards. I believe Ford has a stronger frame design back there. Good luck. I'm sure you will be happy with any "new" truck. :)

[Colorado Cruiser]

All that video proves is that the Tundra had better traction.

As all of us wheelers know...power means nothing if you cant get it to the ground.

[Bauer]

No rear locker option on the new Tundra

I'll be darned.. I thought they were big on the rear locker option.. Interesting

[Colorado Cruiser]

:flipoff2: I wasn't bashing any of them. I have a U.S. made diesel, just like you do, so I have no interest in a Tundra or any others.

I do own a Diesel, only because I have a business hauling 16000 lbs on a regular basis. If I only towed my land cruiser I would own a tundra in a heart beat...Wonder why? Because Im sick of replacing ball joints front end parts and injectors on my dodge.

[Steve]

Here's some more interesting info: J.D. Powers says Ford ranks higher in initial quality than any other auto maker in 2007. (http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/pressrelease.aspx?id=2007088) Ford earned more awards for initial quality than any other automaker, foreign or domestic.

:stirpot:

[Colorado Cruiser]

Funny the none of the F series pickups were mentioned in that article.

[Anthrax]

Funny the none of the F series pickups were mentioned in that article.

no mention of a Tundra either ... ;)

[Steve]

Funny the none of the F series pickups were mentioned in that article.

no mention of a Tundra either ... ;)

:lmao:

Actually, if you go to their large pickup quality ratings (http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/segment/large-pickup) you find the F150 scored "better than most" on overall quality. The Tundra is not on the list.

[Colorado Cruiser]

:lmao:

Actually, if you go to their large pickup quality ratings (http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/segment/large-pickup) you find the F150 scored "better than most" on overall quality. The Tundra is not on the list.

Tundra was probably too new to be rated.

[Steve]

Tundra was probably too new to be rated.

Most likely true. What's surprising about that list is how low the Dodges scored across the board, and that a GM won, not an import. Honestly, I think both the F150 and the Tundra are good trucks; you can't go wrong with either one.

[Mr. Gutwrench]

I work at a Bighorn Toyota in Glenwood Springs. Before anybody starts bashing a product I would encourage them to come down to the lot and drive a tundra no strings attached.


Can I drive it with my buggy/trailer attached to see how it will pull hills? :D

I've been looking at diesels and just can't bring myself to pay that much money for a truck + the fuel was as much as $.40 more a gallon than gas this week. If I could find a newer gas truck that pulled like my old '96 gasser, I'd seriously consider buying it.

[khag4]

well guys thanks for the input.... I just need to take a day off work and go test drive both of these suckers and do number crunching with tags and insurance....

[Chris Halvorson]

Can I drive it with my buggy/trailer attached to see how it will pull hills? :D

I've been looking at diesels and just can't bring myself to pay that much money for a truck + the fuel was as much as $.40 more a gallon than gas this week. If I could find a newer gas truck that pulled like my old '96 gasser, I'd seriously consider buying it.

I payed 34K OTD for my diesel. I have been looking at these trucks on Ebay and auto trader. These trucks are just as much used for what I payed new. I would still get the Tundra if I were you.:beer:

[Bauer]

For what it's worth I really like my F150. With the 5.4.. Haul the jeep here and there with it.. It won't win a race but I like it.. Price was right too. It's comfy, and quiet. Never been in a Tundra though. I'm sure it nice. But I wouldn't pay diesel money for a gasser. Just my $.02

[Bauer]

Here's a pic loaded. Hit the OD button and cruise between 65-70 MPH.. But I'm not in a big hurry either.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p248/Bauer12/100_0228.jpg

[Steve]

Never been in a Tundra though. I'm sure it nice. But I wouldn't pay diesel money for a gasser.

Exactly. What's a new Tundra cost, at least $30k? I paid $32k for my '05 PSD, 4x4, 4 door Lariat (loaded) almost a year ago. It had ~26k miles and is still under factory warranty. It even had the matching shell and bedliner when I got it.

[khag4]

yeah.. I would love a PSD I just don't haul that much to pay for the fuel diferance....

[Bauer]

yeah.. I would love a PSD I just don't haul that much to pay for the fuel diferance....

That's why I have an F150 gasser... This summer I hauled the jeep to Ouray once, to 21 road twice and Billings once... Hard to justify a diesel for what I do.. For other fellas it's a different story,.

[jimminyC]

Here's a pic loaded. Hit the OD button and cruise between 65-70 MPH.. But I'm not in a big hurry either.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p248/Bauer12/100_0228.jpg

Yea man, Off or "on" the trail. I don't think Bauer even has his gas pedal hooked up....he just Clune's his way up the trail at about 27 RPM.

[Bauer]

Yea man, Off or "on" the trail. I don't think Bauer even has his gas pedal hooked up....he just Clune's his way up the trail at about 27 RPM.

Dats a purdy trailer isn't it JimminyC.. :D

And it's a 4.1 Klune... Seriously.......... :rolleyes: As I get older.. I slow down. :cool:

[Mr. Gutwrench]

For what it's worth I really like my F150. With the 5.4.. Haul the jeep here and there with it.. It won't win a race but I like it.. Price was right too. It's comfy, and quiet. Never been in a Tundra though. I'm sure it nice. But I wouldn't pay diesel money for a gasser. Just my $.02


Before you replace the spark plugs in your 5.4L be sure to read this TSB: http://www.ford-trucks.com/tsb/fulltext/show_article.php?tsb=06-5-9

Around here they're having problems with the plugs breaking off and not being able to extract the broken piece without pulling the head. :mad:

[khag4]

that sucks... Note to self don't get a '04... Thanks for the tip

[Mr. Gutwrench]

that sucks... Note to self don't get a '04... Thanks for the tip
The problem goes beyond '04.

[khag4]

well Crap.... have they got the problem fixed by '07??? Thats what I think i might be buying....

[Jeffro600]

Exactly. What's a new Tundra cost, at least $30k? I paid $32k for my '05 PSD, 4x4, 4 door Lariat (loaded) almost a year ago. It had ~26k miles and is still under factory warranty. It even had the matching shell and bedliner when I got it.

Yeah, but your ford wasnt new...it was 2 years old so your comparing apples to oranges here.

Whats a 08 PSD Lariat 4X4(F-250) go for these days? At least 45k+ from a quick look on fords page with modest options.

A fairly comparable Tundra minus a diesel is about 35.

[Leon Phelps]

Before you replace the spark plugs in your 5.4L be sure to read this TSB: http://www.ford-trucks.com/tsb/fulltext/show_article.php?tsb=06-5-9

Around here there having problems with the plugs breaking off and not being able to extract the broken piece without pulling the head. :mad:

Jesus, Ford still didnt get it right. I remember the earlier two valve 5.4's and 6.8's (V10's) being problematic with something similar. Basically due to lack of threads in the head, the damn plug would blow out the head under high RPM situations. I vividly remember having to helicoil a few heads when I was w/ blue oval. IIRC 2001 models had the "fix", which was a different head.

Guessing it's cropping up again with the 2004 3 valve heads also.... When will Ford get it, in that case anyway :(.

[Mr. Gutwrench]

well Crap.... have they got the problem fixed by '07??? Thats what I think i might be buying....

Don't know about the 07s, but the problem still exists in the '06 models.

[khag4]

What the hell is Ford doing wrong??? They know about this problem, right? Fix It... Its not that hard...

[Bauer]

What the hell is Ford doing wrong??? They know about this problem, right? Fix It... Its not that hard...

Meh pick a motor, there will always be a weak spot with any brand.

[khag4]

true true....

[osue077]

If you want a tow vehicle, I wouldn't waist my time with any of the half tons. You'll eventually over work them. I know that the Tundra is rated for 10000k towing, but come on now, I would bet that if you did, that tranny would croke if you drove it over a couple of the passes. If you want something that has some longevity and will handle weight, upgrade to a 3/4 ton.

[khag4]

I'm not planning on towing anything with it.. I just need a daily driver that i can pull small stuff very rarely... and o yeah a bed to throw crap in....

[Jeffro600]

If you want a tow vehicle, I wouldn't waist my time with any of the half tons. You'll eventually over work them. I know that the Tundra is rated for 10000k towing, but come on now, I would bet that if you did, that tranny would croke if you drove it over a couple of the passes. If you want something that has some longevity and will handle weight, upgrade to a 3/4 ton.

If you were towing with it every day and driving it hard, i wouldnt expect it to last either.

But really now...how often do you see yourself towing 10000 pounds? Id be willing to bet most trailer\rig combos dont weigh much more than 7000-8000 pounds total...and towing that a few times a month with a fairly moderate foot, i highly doubt you'd do any damage to it.

[osue077]

Here's a good picture of 25k behind my 3/4 ton. Daily driver, I would probably go with the budget. Both trucks would make great ones. My inlaws have a Tacoma and love it. It has hauled 2 horses in a trailer nearly everywhere.http://www.mypicstudio.com/out.php?t=4626_2007Hay03.JPG (http://www.mypicstudio.com/out.php?i=4626_2007Hay03.JPG)

[89minitruck]

I see it like this... IF you are buying brand new then a new diesel tricked out is 50 grand... a new Tundra tricked out is about 45. Let's call that a draw. So a new Tundra vs a new Ford diesel or Dodge diesel... I don't see how you don't buy the Tundra. And remember gas costs less than diesel... diesels cost a fortune to fix. Toyota quality and durability...

I've driven the new Tundra and I had a older Tundra... it towed ok.... and granted my 95 Ford diesel tows better.... but the new Tundra is a WHOLE new animal...

If you are towing one rig on a trailer then I think the Tundra is the rig. If you are towing multiple rigs then the diesel is a duh. That's about the way I see it.... either way, I don't have 50 grand to spend.

[khag4]

Yeah I am just looking for half ton... Thats all i need... I might pull my jeep once or twice a year.... but thats it..

[jnschwie]

Exactly. What's a new Tundra cost, at least $30k? I paid $32k for my '05 PSD, 4x4, 4 door Lariat (loaded) almost a year ago. It had ~26k miles and is still under factory warranty. It even had the matching shell and bedliner when I got it.

I saw one in the paper stickered at $38K, new.
I'd love to hear what Colorado Cruiser says they are actually going OTD for, but my impression is that Toyota is NOT into offering the steep discounts that the "domestics" are. (I got some $8K off sticker on mine, and guys on here have done a lot better!).

When I was looking, I liked the idea of the Tundra (especially the one just before this new one), but they were selling (Edmunds TMV) for $29-31. For that kind of money, it was only incrementally more for me to custom order exactly what I wanted in my brand new CTD.

Yeah I am just looking for half ton... Thats all i need... I might pull my jeep once or twice a year.... but thats it..

I have YET to tow anything yet. (I've pulled my jeep a few times, in town -but no real tests) I really should've bought a half ton (or a not-quite half ton) previous Tundra, but I kept coming back to the paragraph above....



Edit: SO, if this actually is the case, I simply cannot see why one would purchase a half ton for diesel money. The F-150 is much cheaper, as is the GM half ton, but the Tundra is way pricey. And while I like the silverado/sierra, I just always had this nervous feeling about them, myself. :shrug: I really wish I could've brought myself past that, because when I bought, I could've saved a bunch on a 2005 Sierra DMD with the extended cab (perfect size!) that was the right color and options, and really low miles for a diesel (24K?).

[Leon Phelps]

I just spent the weekend driving a 2003 Tundra and I have to say after having my '99 F-150, the Tundra HANDS DOWN is a better built truck I believe in every department except the possible towing..... Tundra rides like a car..... but damn the creature comforts and quiet cabin was nice.

Think I'm going to buy it.....

[Colorado Cruiser]

There are more things to consider than total discount off of MSRP. Where I live diesel is 42 cents a gallon more than gas. Toyota is being very agressive with special APR's (Currently 0% for 60 months on 2007 models). There is not as much mark up in a toyota as in a Ford/Dodge/GM. Most of these tundras have about 4k total markup. Why do the domestics have more markup you might ask? Well, heres the answer.....They use cheaper parts and the vehicles are assembled in mexico and canada. The Tundra is built in Princeton Ind. or San Antonio Texas. Toyota's labor costs are higher, but I think that the vehicles built in the United states are a better quality than the ones built in Mexico/Canada. I hope that answers everybodys questions. If after all of this discussion, anyone has interest in a tundra I will make the the best deal around on a tundra just message me on the board and Ill take care of it.

[sonofmayhem]

I own an f150 and love it, but shitty gas mileage and it can barely get outta its own way. Reliable as all hell though! I have had 5 yotas and love them all and have test driven a ton of Tacos and the power is there. I vote Tundra all the way. Or a 2500 dodge with the Hemi:D

[sonofmayhem]

I saw one in the paper stickered at $38K, new.
I'd love to hear what Colorado Cruiser says they are actually going OTD for, but my impression is that Toyota is NOT into offering the steep discounts that the "domestics" are. (I got some $8K off sticker on mine, and guys on here have done a lot better!).



Because they don't have to. People will still buy TOYOTA!

Plus the 0% financing helps:D

How much interest are you paying eh?

[CSP]

I own an f150 and love it, but shitty gas mileage and it can barely get outta its own way.

Most V6 fullsize pickups have that problem. Step up to a V8 and it will get out of its way.

[Leon Phelps]

Most V6 fullsize pickups have that problem. Step up to a V8 and it will get out of its way.

Long as its not a 4.6 or a 302 in a Ford, you'll be fine.

[Bauer]

Plus the 0% financing helps:D

If I planned to make $5K off you I would give you 0% too.


If I give you a discount and charge you interest I will still make money off you..

Win win for me.

Your still paying.. Your just amortizing a larger $ amount at 0% vs. A smaller $ amount paying interest. Oldest trick in the book.

[sonofmayhem]

What! Well the way i see it, is we paid almost double for our f150 due to finance rates and what not. Sucks, but its the truth. I still want an 07 mega cab with the cummins. Until Yota releases the diesel:D

[thefatkid]

If I planned to make $5K off you I would give you 0% too.


If I give you a discount and charge you interest I will still make money off you..

Win win for me.

Your still paying.. Your just amortizing a larger $ amount at 0% vs. A smaller $ amount paying interest. Oldest trick in the book.

Only the MSRP didn't change so your are getting the better deal. Toyota is not like your typical furniture store that jacks up price to "cover the interest". Most auto manufactures use interest as losses for tax purposes and customer retention/satisfaction perks.

That being said, a ford is typically 2,000 cheaper then a similar Tundra. I used to tow with the old tundra until I out grew it. If I was looking at half tons I would get the newer Tundra over the F150. The quality feel of the Tundra feels better to me and the power is stronger. Now I have a F350 dually and I like Fords, but they are out classed by Toyota. The only reason they can tow more now is Ford put f250 springs in the rear of the 150 and made it ride like crap.

Chevy and Toyota are about the same price option to option. Dodge gives the biggest discounts off of MSRP.

I still would just get some seat time in both and don't listen to anyone but yourself. Most autos today are built to about the same standards (excluding the really cheap cars) and your going get about the same amount spent on repairs after warranty.

[Bauer]

What! Well the way i see it, is we paid almost double for our f150 due to finance rates and what not. Sucks, but its the truth. I still want an 07 mega cab with the cummins. Until Yota releases the diesel:D

Only the MSRP didn't change so your are getting the better deal. Toyota is not like your typical furniture store that jacks up price to "cover the interest". .


I'm talking discounts off the sticker price vs. paying full sticker. And length of ownership.

Lets say @ 0% you pay $40k for say 5 years thats about $667 payment or $40,000 in 5 years

Lets say you take say an $8k discount instead of the 0% at 4% so thats $32k over 5 years or about a $590 payment or $35,400

Just for fun say a $4k discount same terms @ 4% would cost you $39,780

Obviously this isn't always the case I guess the point I was trying to make was if you have nothing to put down and want to borrow 100% of the purchase price (which happens a lot) 0% isn't always what it's craked up to be. My guess if you were getting 0% they may stiff you a little on the trade and maybe not have as may or any rebates available.

[Bauer]

O ya and if they are willing to give you 0% and rebates then by all means it's a screaming deal. But 99% of the time your average joe see 0% and get's this free money idea.. Which may not alway be the case.

[Bauer]

Well I guess it is free money, just may end up costing you more in the end.. :)

[khag4]

Well I guys I hate to say it but I BOUGHT a 07 Chevy... I got a screaming deal on her and so far she seems to be working wel for me, ( i just got her yesterday)... I bought her in texas and am driving her up to colorado on monday. I looked at both the ford and tundra and couldn't find anything that i just had to have. I sat in this puppy once and i said I'll take her... Thanks again for all the great advise....

[sonofmayhem]

:worthless:

[khag4]

I'll get them up as soon as i get back home.. I don't have my camera cable with me...
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[jnschwie]

If I planned to make $5K off you I would give you 0% too.


If I give you a discount and charge you interest I will still make money off you..

Win win for me.

Your still paying.. Your just amortizing a larger $ amount at 0% vs. A smaller $ amount paying interest. Oldest trick in the book.

Because they don't have to. People will still buy TOYOTA!

Plus the 0% financing helps:D

How much interest are you paying eh?

See above. :thumbsup:


I looked at a Tundra again this weekend (for fun, and not at a dealership). It is a really nice truck.

It is STILL a half-ton at diesel money. I simply cannot justify that in my mind.


-But to answer your question, I am paying < 5K in interest assuming I don't pay it off early, which is already impossible.

[sonofmayhem]

Well id still love one:D over the fity, or fity hundred:D

[nridler]

I loved my 05 F-150. If I only towed my jeep a couple times a year I would have kept it. I wonder how the F-150 would have done if it would have had the limited slip option in the youtube viedo.

[sonofmayhem]

I like the new F150s we just got 2 in at work. Hint hint:D Someone buy one:D I love Ford, but would just rather own a Tundy:D

[thiswebs4u]

My F-150 is a dog too. I have a TB spacer, intake and the Edge on it. Towing in Orlando, FL. was fine, got it here and will not get out of it's own shadow. It's kinda sad when you have to down shift when I drive up the hill going east on E470 at Sana Fa. BTW: it's has the 4.6L and auto.

Did you undo the battery for about 15 minuets so the computer loses it memory? I do that with mine then the computer will relearn at this altitude.

[Walking Eagle]

Everyone in this thread has it wrong.

Chuck Norris says we should buy the Honda Ridgeline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mg8EMmOWQI

[cochino12]

Well I guys I hate to say it but I BOUGHT a 07 Chevy... I got a screaming deal on her and so far she seems to be working wel for me, ( i just got her yesterday)... I bought her in texas and am driving her up to colorado on monday. I looked at both the ford and tundra and couldn't find anything that i just had to have. I sat in this puppy once and i said I'll take her... Thanks again for all the great advise....


you did good!

[khag4]

Thanks.. I haven't posted any pics yet she's a little dirty from the trip up...