Where/How do you carry????

[dapozer]

Just looking for perfered method of carry.... Hip? Shoulder?, Leg? do you like the belt loop or cslip on?????? also loaded and cocked? loaded and non cocket, or non loaded.

Just wondering
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[cheftyler]

I carry with an IWB holster at about 2:30. Fully loaded mag with one in the hole. I carry a DA/SA semi-auto so I carry with the hammer down and the safety on.

[Budman]

IWB, about 330 loaded, chambered, on my Taurus, I have the safety on, on my XD has no manual safety.

[Captain Obvious]

I carry a pancake holster at 2:30, for my XD or my compact 1911. Both usually have one chambered, but the hammer is forward on the 1911, which is why I have the XD now, one less action I have to do if anything goes down.

[dmeis]

I use a Milt Sparks VM2 (very nice holster) with a SIG loaded behind the hip. I sometimes carry owb but not as often. I'll be carrying on the ankle soon.

[jnschwie]

I carry a pancake holster at 2:30, for my XD or my compact 1911. Both usually have one chambered, but the hammer is forward on the 1911, which is why I have the XD now, one less action I have to do if anything goes down.

:confused:

[newracer]

Glock 26 fully loaded with one in the chamber, 3:30 IWB in a Comp-Tac Infidel holster clip on most of the time (the clip can be changed for a loops), spare mag on my left side.

[denverd0n]

No offense, and I'm not trying to criticize. I'm honestly curious. I have never understood why anyone would carry a 1911 in condition two (or three, for that matter). I mean, if you don't feel comfortable carrying it in condition one then why not carry some other arm where that isn't a problem? Like a DA revolver, or an SA/DA semi-auto? I just don't get it.

[ccondrey]

I carry very infrequently, but when I do it's a chambered G19 in a Galco IWB strong side just above the back pocket. This holster has snaps and loops which let's you put it on without removing your belt, which I like. It rides a little high and is a little thicker than I'd like though, but I needed a holster in a hurry for a trip I was going on and couldn't wait for a comptac or VM2. I didn't have a proper gun belt with it when I wore it last (could have contributed to it riding high on me) so I'm anxious to try it again with my new beltman belt.

[Jake_Blues]

No offense, and I'm not trying to criticize. I'm honestly curious. I have never understood why anyone would carry a 1911 in condition two (or three, for that matter). I mean, if you don't feel comfortable carrying it in condition one then why not carry some other arm where that isn't a problem? Like a DA revolver, or an SA/DA semi-auto? I just don't get it.

Well, I can understand the reasons one might carrying condition 3, even if I don't agree with them. Definitely wouldn't carry in condition 2 though, I agree with you there.

At best it's only slightly safer than condition 1, and at worst it's an AD waiting to happen.

-E

[ZappBranigan]

I've got inexpensive Uncle Mike's Kydex paddle holsters for both my G23/19 and my M1911A1. I've never carried the 1911 but I've carried the Glock a few times. Fully loaded, one in the chamber. The Glock has no external safety, of course. My only concern about the Kydex holster is that it is a "friction fit" with no external strap to retain the gun. I think I'd feel a little more comfortable with at least a thumb snap. I usually carry it at about 4:00 under a jacket or a vest (fleece vests work very well because the elastic waistband will make the vest "bag" underneath the holster, which keeps the gun from "printing" as long as I don't bend over.)

Years ago, when I was working armed security in a "low profile" status, I carried a S&W M19 revolver with a 4" barrel in a pancake holster under a sportjacket. I had to put smooth grips on the gun in order to make it comfortable, as the grip was pressed into my side, but other than that it was very comfortable and concealed very well. I also tried a shoulder holster but found it both more awkward and also less concealable.

The pancake/IWB/Small of the Back holster is great for every circumstance except one: Inside a vehicle. When you are sitting in a car with the seatbelt on it's almost impossible to reach.

[denverd0n]

Well, I can understand the reasons one might carrying condition 3...
Okay, why? 'Cause I don't get it.

At least, not if you have any choice. As I recall a Navy buddy of mine telling me, he was required to carry in condition three when he was issued a sidearm. In that case, well sure. But otherwise? I'm not seein' it.

I should add that, with a child in the house I kept my Commander in condition three when it was my "nightstand" gun (although it was not actually in a night stand). So, this I understand. But a gun that you are carrying on your person? Nope. Not seein' it.

[Jake_Blues]

Basically things like increased protection from an accidental/negligent discharge, making it more difficult for someone to use your weapon against you, making the use of your weapon a more deliberate action (similar to the DA/SA argument) etc. Like I said, I don't agree with the reasoning for condition 3, but I can see the reasons.

-E

[ZappBranigan]

Most of the time I was in the military we were required to carry our weapons in condition 3. Even after the M1911 was replaced by the Beretta (M9), which could be carried perfectly safely (and ready to fire) in condition 2, we still had to carry it in condition 3.

The sad thing is, even with the condition 3 carry, we still had a lot of accidental discharges. Most of them were into the clearing barrel, but still...

[Scott@Rockstomper]

Condition 1? Condition 3? Huh? :confused:

[sweater]

Condition 1? Condition 3? Huh? :confused:


Also called "cocked and locked", this means that a round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the manual thumb safety is on.
A round is in the chamber, the hammer is uncocked
There is no round in the chamber, the hammer is uncocked but a fully loaded magazine is inserted in the mag well.

At least as I understand 'em (http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1253664).

- mike

[bdog]

You can probably read a lot more into this on a gun forum. Glock talk has a forum titled carrying issues, might want to check that one out.

I have an MTAC IWB holster and I like it. I would like to get an OWB with an internal retention clip. OWB is ten times more comfortable and is easily concealable with a jacket.

[Budman]

Okay Conditions 1-2-3... When I first came in the AF was still using .38 revolvers... Then we switched to the M9 (Beretta) and I did not have a lot of experience with auto's (well none except qualifing with it). I could not bring myself to carry in the perscribed manner... Round in the chamber, hammer cocked, safety off (if you put the safety on on a Beretta it deccks the hammer). Then I got a new job where we shot ALOT more, and did more than just shooting at paper targets down range from one position or another (read this as live/walk through/scenario based ranges). as I put several THOUSAND rounds through my M9, I got a lot more confident with my M9, and as such much more confortable with carrying it "locked Cocked and ready to rock... Carry in the manner you are confortable with, but go to the range and practice from the scenarios you can come up with. Practice racking the slide one a 1911 in a stressed situtaion a few times, and I bet you will at least put one in the chamber.

I do not buy into that fact that a manual safety will slow you down enough to make a difference, but cocking a hammer or racking a slide does in fact take some serious time.

[DanaT]

I have recently discovered just how big the typical semi-auto is. Even a glock or XD sub compact is a big heavy item. So, I bought a Kel-tec P3AT. It is 8 oz loaded and is smaller than a wallet. Shove it in a pocket and no-one knows. I mean come on, most people it is very obvious that they are carrying. Fanny packs were a fad 15 years ago. The photography vest. Come on. Wearing a coat when its 100 degrees out??

Use a P3AT and throw it in your cargo shorts pocket and you don't even have to wear a shirt to hide it.

I know. Its only a 380. To those that say that, I have one answer. I don?t want to get shot by a 380. Also, most criminals seem to have this little problem. They don't like getting shot with anything. Pretty much getting shot with a 380 will take the fight out of 98% of criminals. That other 2%. Better have a 308 instead of a 380.

Lets be realistic. A person should be carrying a defensive to provide them with a means to extract themselves from a violent situation. If you want to be all tacticool, then go join SWAT. Then you can run in and take on a house full of bad guys with your tricked out Les Baer 1911 all alone. In almost every circumstance a 380 will allow you to extract yourself. Don?t get me wrong, I love bigger pistols and my favorite open carry pistol is a Glock20 with Double Tap ammo. I would rather have a 380 in my pocket than a G20 at home though.

And for the tough guys out there, go put a box of ammo through a P3AT in one quick session. That damn little thing makes a G20 with hot ammo feel tame....

-Dana

[Budman]

And for the tough guys out there, go put a box of ammo through a P3AT in one quick session. That damn little thing makes a G20 with hot ammo feel tame....

-Dana

I have actually been thinking about a 22 mag for a backup, or for a summer time in shorts carry weapon.

[summersja]

I carry a Kimber 1911 Compact Ultra Carry in a Kydex paddle holster. :thumbsup: I will probably never buy another loop style as I really like the speed and comfort of a paddle style hip holster. I carry in different conditions depending upon my environment and situation.

Most firearms instructors recommend against shoulder holsters because when drawing, it is almost impossible to keep from sweeping the barrel across your arm :eek: which violates firearm safety rules.

[DanaT]

Most firearms instructors recommend against shoulder holsters because when drawing, it is almost impossible to keep from sweeping the barrel across your arm :eek: which violates firearm safety rules.

I may be mistaken, but doesn't shooting a person also violate some arcane firearm safety rule???

-Dana

[Jake_Blues]

I may be mistaken, but doesn't shooting a person also violate some arcane firearm safety rule???

-Dana

Only if you didn't mean to.

-E

[ccondrey]

I could not bring myself to carry in the perscribed manner... Round in the chamber, hammer cocked, safety off (if you put the safety on on a Beretta it deccks the hammer). Then I got a new job where we shot ALOT more, and did more than just shooting at paper targets down range from one position or another (read this as live/walk through/scenario based ranges). as I put several THOUSAND rounds through my M9, I got a lot more confident with my M9, and as such much more confortable with carrying it "locked Cocked and ready to rock...

Are you for real? You're saying you carried a Baretta with the hammer cocked? Yikes! :confused:

[Livingwater]

I carry a Custom full size DW 1911 with an Ed Brown Bobtail Condition 1 (Cocked and Locked) in a Blade Tec paddle or ITWB holster. I also have a SW 38 J Frame Hammerless 5 round always live.
Lets be realistic. A person should be carrying a defensive to provide them with a means to extract themselves from a violent situation. If you want to be all tacticool, then go join SWAT. Then you can run in and take on a house full of bad guys with your tricked out Les Baer 1911 all alone. In almost every circumstance a 380 will allow you to extract yourself. Don?t get me wrong, I love bigger pistols and my favorite open carry pistol is a Glock20 with Double Tap ammo. I would rather have a 380 in my pocket than a G20 at home though.

Dana a 380 is great but my 45 has a lot more stopping power. I chose to carry my 1911 as it is very dependable and also it the gun I am most familiar with. I have a custom DW (like a Les Baer) because I wanted a high quality firearm not because I want to be a swat officer. Also all of my 1911's have been slimmed and the bobtail affords me the ability to carry a full size gun with very little effort or printing.

Lets be realistic. A person should be carrying a defensive to provide them with a means to extract themselves from a violent situation. If you want to be all tacticool, then go join SWAT. Then you can run in and take on a house full of bad guys with your tricked out Les Baer 1911 all alone. In almost every circumstance a 380 will allow you to extract yourself. Don?t get me wrong, I love bigger pistols and my favorite open carry pistol is a Glock20 with Double Tap ammo. I would rather have a 380 in my pocket than a G20 at home though.
-Dana
I am realistic I will carry a smaller gun over none at all but I prefer to carry what I shoot the most. Then in every situation I do not have to think about how the gun operates. It is all second nature for me from the draw to the safety to clearing misfires or jams if the occur.

[jnschwie]

No offense, and I'm not trying to criticize. I'm honestly curious. I have never understood why anyone would carry a 1911 in condition two (or three, for that matter). I mean, if you don't feel comfortable carrying it in condition one then why not carry some other arm where that isn't a problem? Like a DA revolver, or an SA/DA semi-auto? I just don't get it.

x2, and that goes double for series 80s (or the like) pistols.

I feel way safer carrying a 1911 cocked and locked than I would a DA pistol.

[Livingwater]

x2, and that goes double for series 80s (or the like) pistols.

I feel way safer carrying a 1911 cocked and locked than I would a DA pistol.

X3

[Yota]

DanaT makes a great point about maybe not having the slickest, biggest or even the best-shooting gun. After a very short time, carrying a large gun in a complex holster becomes a serious drag and only the most serious folks will spend the time to gear up and then spend the entire day with a boat anchor jabbing them in the side. And as someone smarter than I once said: the slickest gun will not do you any good if it's at home in your safe when you need it.

Of course there are other significant barriers to carry that have nothing to do with gun size or holster comfort. The biggest one for me is that I can't pack at work. Not even that; I can't even have a gun locked in my car if my car is on my company's "property" (they rent but their lawyers claim it's not different). I do not believe their private property rights trump my private property rights (vehicle) PLUS my 2nd amendment rights (gun locked in vehicle). Then there's the fact that Denver's sports venues don't allow weapons, thereby making it impossible to carry on RTD or Light Rail when heading to an event. But that's another thread.

When I carry, I carry an XD40 4" in .40 S&W in a CTAC Kydex IWB holster. I prefer to carry IWB because it is more concealed and more secure. Any basic golf shirt conceals it sufficiently. No fanny packs and no vests. I do not carry any extra mags. 13 rounds of .40 is just gonna have to do.

I always carry with a round in the chamber because it makes my gun useful in a wider range of tactical situations. The XD, like most modern weapons, is designed to be carried this way even though it has no manual safeties. Well, it has manual safeties but they are deactivated by the natural act of gripping the gun and squeezing the trigger. It does not have "lever" safeties that require an extra motion to deactivate. I will agree with Budman that even a modest amount of training with a gun that has a lever-type safety should make the deactivation of the lever safety almost as natural as taking a leak.

When I first got my XD I was nervous about carrying with a round in the chamber so I set up a little test to give myself more comfort. I unloaded it, put all rounds in the safe, cleared the gun like 6 million times and then one more for good measure, loaded up some A-zoom dummy rounds (I don't like the term 'snap caps') just to add a little weight - I didn't technically need them. I then proceded to drop my XD, unholstered, onto carpet from a height of 2 to 3 feet from every conceivable angle. The XD has a striker condition indicator so I could tell if the firing pin had dropped but it never did. If it won't fire when dropped repeatedly like that then it sure as hell won't fire while being gently carried in my holster even if I fell. That little test took me from nervous to confident in about 20 minutes. YMMV.

[Mule]

90% with a Blackhawk fannypack, other 10% is with Crossbreed hand made IWB. http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/

I currently carry 99% of the time. XD 40 in Cond. 1. I want to change over to a Kimber 1911 Tactical in .45 or .40.
I shoot IDPA w/ the XD and have a XD 40 compact for my wife and as a BUG in comp.

Remember, most conflicts occur @ the "under 4' range", it doesn't take a race gun to save yourself and a loved one. Also, per an FBI report I have, most hollow points will plug up with fabric when the perp is wearing thick flannel AND won't expand. So, lots of ammo capacity is needed. No blood loss or major shock, not much of a chance of stopping the bad guy.

If you want a good local web page, check out the CO-AR board (it's way more than ARs). http://coloradoshooting.org/co-ar15.htm

[MQ79]

I like this quote - "A handgun isn't supposed to be comfort-ABLE. It's supposed to be comfort-ING." Clint Smith

But seriously, with a good holster and belt, there is not reason you can't be comfortable carrying a full size gun in an adequate caliber (.45acp and above).

I can carry a full size 1911 (.45acp) comfortably IWB, all day, wearing jeans and t-shirt, and never be "made". I carry around my friends and family and in public all the time and no one has ever noticed.

I also carry a Glock 29 (10mm). Now the smaller size of the Glock allows it to be carried in more ways, depending on the situation. I can carry it IWB, or in a pocket holster in a vest or coat. Or in a small "day planner type carry case".

Or another option for carry is the Safepacker from The Wilderness -
http://store.thewilderness.com/index.php?cPath=51&osCsid=91b7d500fcaec0b302ccca3d86b5d9db

It will allow you carry any size gun you want, in many different ways, without having to wear a typical holster.

[DanaT]

I shoot IDPA w/ the XD and have a XD 40 compact for my wife and as a BUG in comp.http://coloradoshooting.org/co-ar15.htm

The BUG rules pi$$ me off that one has to releoad a magazine on the clock. It is just a way to penalize semi autos vs the revolvers.

-Dana

[Mule]

I never really got much out of the BUG matches. I don't carry a BUG, I keep it stashed in the house for my wife and I if needed. Still good to practice changing over though. The reload thing was weird, but still somewhat realistic. It would only happen in the house though.
I liked the shotgun and rifle side matches better, I keep a tactical 12ga by my bed.
I really wasn't use to the competition thing either, it took me a while to drop empty mags, I hated the dirt getting in them. But, it took a lot of time off my stages once I got into the game thing.

Did we shoot IDPA @ Clear creek together last summer? I drive the big grey Dodge diesel and shot the SKS in the rifle matches. I think I remember your name.....

Greg

[Budman]

Are you for real? You're saying you carried a Baretta with the hammer cocked? Yikes! :confused:

I had a hard time with it at first, but It does not bother me any more to carry that way... Of course that is in a covered holster...

[Budman]

90% with a Blackhawk fannypack, other 10% is with Crossbreed hand made IWB. http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/
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How do you like your crossbreed? I have considered one...

[denverd0n]

XD 40 in Cond. 1.
Huh? Isn't an XD double-action only with no external safety? I know what "Condition One" means when you're talking about a 1911. I have no idea what it would mean as regards an XD. And what would other "conditions" be for that firearm?

[Whitey]

...... a Kel-tec P3AT. It is 8 oz loaded and is smaller than a wallet. Shove it in a pocket and no-one knows. .........I know. Its only a 380. ........... Pretty much getting shot with a 380 will take the fight out of 98% of criminals .............

-Dana
My thought too. :thumbsup:

The P3AT is my choice, it's one of which I always have handy.


How do you like your crossbreed? I have considered one...

I'd like to know that too as I've considered one .............

I use a Bianchi molded holster with belt snaps or this one (http://store.thewilderness.com/index.php?cPath=49&osCsid=e45293054bcf8aeb34de535aaef2286f), (pictured below), neither are for IWB carry though. Sometimes, especially when camping, I carry a short bbl .44 or .41 mag revolver in a shoulder holster as it's handy to reach when you're sitting around the fire.

http://store.thewilderness.com/images/zipslide_glock500.jpg

[Jake_Blues]

Huh? Isn't an XD double-action only with no external safety? I know what "Condition One" means when you're talking about a 1911. I have no idea what it would mean as regards an XD. And what would other "conditions" be for that firearm?

The XD is actually a single-action only. The striker is fully cocked when you rack the slide. Pulling the trigger just releases the striker.

The "condition" states can really be applied to all semi-auto pistols as a generic way of referring to the state of the magazine, chamber, and hammer/striker.


Condition 0 - A round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the safety is off.
Condition 1 - Also called "cocked and locked", this means that a round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the manual thumb safety is on.
Condition 2 - A round is in the chamber, the hammer is uncocked.
Condition 3 - There is no round in the chamber, the hammer is uncocked but a fully loaded magazine is inserted in the mag well.
Condition 4 - The chamber is empty, the hammer is uncocked and there is no magazine inserted in the mag well

An XD, from my understanding, cannot be in condition 2, and if you could somehow put it in that condition, it would be useless. The only way to cock the striker is to rack the slide, and the only way to decock it is to pull the trigger (and fire the weapon).

All the other states of readiness apply the same as they would with a 1911.

-E

[denverd0n]

The XD is actually a single-action only. The striker is fully cocked when you rack the slide.
Okay, so if normal carry is round in chamber, cocked, and there is no safety to be on or off, would that be considered Condition Zero? Not quite Condition One, since there's no safety on. Maybe Condition One and a Half!?!

And then how do you apply these "conditions" to something like a Glock? My understanding is that the Glock striker is normally in a semi-cocked state.

[Mule]

I like the crossbreed, it takes a bit to get the leather molded you your skin. I put it on and worked in the yard with it for a few days. My brother has one too and it is the only thing he uses now. I have a mag pouch from him too and it's the same thing. Comfy and adjustable.... I almost forgot. It's a tuckable version too. You can actually have your shirt tucked in and not know it's there other than the loops your belt goes through. Same thing on the extra mag holder. Kydex on leather, nice and thin, form fitted for each pistol and mag.

As for the condition 1 on the XD. It single action like the other guys said. It has a double safety setup. Grip release lever for the palm of the hand and a trigger release lever built into the trigger. So, if you don't have a finger on the trigger and your hand on the grip tight, it won't fire. So in affect there is a safety on, but really, if you grab it and put your finger on the trigger it's at condition 0. Kind of a catch 22 thing. You can drop it and hit it all you want and nothing is going to happen. There is no way for it to be in cond 2, either the striker is back and ready or you pull the trigger w/ an empty chamber which takes you to cond 3. These are safe to dry fire btw. I train on little paper targets in my office and at home.:D

Side note here:
There is also a chamber full lever that pops up on top of the slide to tell you when it's got a round chambered, and the striker has a pin that sticks out the back of the slide to let you know the striker is in the back/ready to fire position.

It took me a week to get use to the fact it was at condition 1, but now I don't even think about it till I go to unload it.

You can see the trigger lock, the palm release lever and the chamber full lever in this pic.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g244/georockdude/The%20Vault/DSCN0085.jpg

Notice how my pack strap covers the trigger? That is a must with a trigger lock mechanism. It keeps you from touching the trigger if your hand is in the bag grabbing the pistol.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g244/georockdude/The%20Vault/DSCN0084.jpg

You can't see it in the picture, but there is a pin hole just above the finger guard that works perfect for my trigger finger to call home.... I just noticed that you can see it in the first picture.

[denverd0n]

So in affect there is a safety on, but really, if you grab it and put your finger on the trigger it's at condition 0. Kind of a catch 22 thing.
Okay, I guess I can kind of see that. Seems like a bit of a stretch in the definition of "condition one," but whatever.

[Jake_Blues]

Okay, so if normal carry is round in chamber, cocked, and there is no safety to be on or off, would that be considered Condition Zero? Not quite Condition One, since there's no safety on. Maybe Condition One and a Half!?!

As said above, the XD has manual safeties, they are just naturally disabled by having your hand on the grip and finger on the trigger.


And then how do you apply these "conditions" to something like a Glock? My understanding is that the Glock striker is normally in a semi-cocked state.

The Glock "safe action" and pistols like it are a little confusing, but they are basically the same as the 1911 from a readiness standpoint. The striker is partially cocked, and pulling the trigger does perform two actions (completes cocking the striker, then releases it). In that sense a Glock is a double action.

However, since it isn't a "true" double action, in the sense that you cannot pull the trigger repeatedly for multiple striker hits, I'd still say it is in condition one when it is locked, loaded, and in the holster, and it is in condition 0 when you have it drawn and your finger is on the trigger, disengaging the trigger safety.

There is no real way to get a Glock into a true "Condition 2" state, completely de-cocked with a live round in the chamber.

There is of course, room for interpretation there :)

-E

[7LBRONCO]

1911A1, OWL pancake holster, FBI cant. Condition 1.

I modified the thumbbreak, so it rides between the hammer and the frame, for a little extra insurance. Makes no difference getting the pistol out, and only adds a second to getting it back in the holster.

[rondog]

I carry a Compact 1911 in .45, at 3:00, in a Beltster holster. Same size gun as the Colt Officer's Model. ALWAYS Con 1. Works for me.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/pupbeltster01.jpg

[Yota]

That would be more concealed IWB. The problem with OWB is that the damn barrel is exposed when I reach into my pocket on that side. Or if your shirt blows up even a little... ARRRGHHHH!! HE'S GOT A GUN!! :) Same position IWB is less exposed.

[rondog]

That would be more concealed IWB. The problem with OWB is that the damn barrel is exposed when I reach into my pocket on that side. Or if your shirt blows up even a little... ARRRGHHHH!! HE'S GOT A GUN!! :) Same position IWB is less exposed.

True, but I'm a big ol' lardass and wear 4x shirts with square-cut tails, that I leave out all the time. I've never had the muzzle exposed yet. I'm too fat for an IWB, digs into my side too much. Plus, I don't have to put on and take off a holster all the time, this thing is just my daily belt that holds my pants up.

If anyone ever says "ARRRGHHHH!! HE'S GOT A GUN!!", I'll just say "Arrrrghhh, and I've got a permit too!"

[ZappBranigan]

I'm loving the IWB carry. The gun really just disappears and the holster pulls the grip into the small of my back so a loose fitting shirt covers it perfectly.

[Yota]

True, but I'm a big ol' lardass and wear 4x shirts with square-cut tails, that I leave out all the time. I've never had the muzzle exposed yet. I'm too fat for an IWB, digs into my side too much. Plus, I don't have to put on and take off a holster all the time, this thing is just my daily belt that holds my pants up.

If anyone ever says "ARRRGHHHH!! HE'S GOT A GUN!!", I'll just say "Arrrrghhh, and I've got a permit too!"

I feel ya. My love handles are not always loving the holster being in there either. So I bought bigger pants to accomodate it. :D