Some Intersting Car Pics

[DanaT]

Hey, here is just a sampling of some pictures I took a few days ago at the track. I realize that these aren't quite as cool of cars as STi's and that most of these drivers only wish they could flog an STi on a track. But they weren't bad cars none-the-less. I guess a few of these would maybe be on the verge of being supercars....

Enjoy the photos.

http://danat.mesanetworks.net/Ring01.jpg
http://danat.mesanetworks.net/Ring02.jpg
http://danat.mesanetworks.net/Ring03.jpg
http://danat.mesanetworks.net/Ring04.jpg
http://danat.mesanetworks.net/Ring05.jpg
http://danat.mesanetworks.net/Ring06.jpg
http://danat.mesanetworks.net/Ring07.jpg
http://danat.mesanetworks.net/Ring08.jpg

And some Action shots.

The M3 was making about 420hp.

http://danat.mesanetworks.net/Ring09.jpg
http://danat.mesanetworks.net/Ring10.jpg
http://danat.mesanetworks.net/Ring11.jpg
http://danat.mesanetworks.net/Ring12.jpg
http://danat.mesanetworks.net/Ring13.jpg

-Dana

[Trango]

Wait, is this Nurburgring?

[DanaT]

Local is all relative. It is only a 1.5 hour drive (depending upon speed) from one of the office branches. But its very local to Nuerburg.

The key is to get there at 5:00pm. The track opens up at 5:15pm to the public and closes at 7:00pm. During the day, you never know what you will see. It depends upon who has rented it.

-Dana

[Trango]

I edited my post to be a little less cheeky - you caught the pre-edit. :)

[scottycards]

Looks like you were keeping up with the 400 horse Bimmer. Nice- looks like a Bimmer you're in as well. Another 3 series- same one as your other post?

Great photos- I bet that was a lot of fun! Thanks for posting those up.

[DanaT]

Ahhh..liked the first version better.....

But yes, it is the nuerburgring...the Nordschliefe

I was also breaking the rules. Cameras are expressly forbidden. The laps in the M3 were low 10 minute laps. That may seem slow, but its not. Keep in mind that was street tires, driveing to from track, etc.

-Dana

[DanaT]

I wasn't driving. :( I was filming. I had a BMW 320d rental car. Rental cars are not allowed on the track.

The car I took those photos in was an AC Schnitzer M3. It actually faster than the Yellow M3. I rode in both and filmed both cars. I just don't have still photos from inside the yellow car.

It is fun to see someone sliding a $75000+ car (keep in mind cars cost more there) at 110-120mph through a corner and not really caring about it.

What really impressed me is how hard a 911 Turbo came by us. He had at least 20mph high corner speed and pulled away hard.

That track is damn hard. Made harder by the Citroen 2CVs that decide to drive it and become move obsticles. Really, there was a 2CV on the track. Biggest a$$ as a Renault Minivan that thought he was fast. You are supoosed to let the faster cars pass, but he was cutting in on cars in corneres and not letting people pass.

-Dana

[SSII]

With more than 50% of the corners being blind, you had better know it somewhat. I would love to play on that track. 2nd Creek just didn't cut it. :)
I see the new ZO6 did it in 7.42 on runflats.

6:49 - BMW M3-GTR (race version), 480 PS/1100kg, Hans-Joachim Stuck
6:55 - Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (28 Sep 2005)
7:12 - Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03)
7:14 - Donkervoort D8 RS, 398 PS/760 kg, Michael Duchting (sport auto 11/05)
7:15 - Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, de:Patrick Simon (sport auto 09/05)
7:18 - Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Duchting (sport auto 12/04)
7:28 - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/1475 kg, Walter Rohrl, (Autobild 07/04)
7.32 - Porsche Carrera GT (Sport Auto Trophy, driven by Horst von Saurma)
7.32 - Porsche 997 GT2 2008 (Motor Authority)
7.32 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 PS/1432 kg (Gemballa)
7:33 - Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/1230 kg (sport auto 05/06)
7:34 - Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), Oct 17-18 2005
7:40 - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40 - Porsche 997 Turbo 480PS/1565 kg Walter Rohrl
7:41 - Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413 PS/1320 kg (160.868 km/h), Lucas Luhr (Autobild 07/04)
7:42 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440 kg, Walter Rohrl (Automobil 05/06)
7:42 - Ford GT, 550 PS/1521 kg (as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05) (news release, pictures)
7.429 - Corvette Z06 (Jan Magnussen)
7:43 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
7:44 - Pagani Zonda S 550 PS/1280 kg (sport auto 02/05)
7:46 - Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
7:47 - Porsche 996 GT3 RS (sport tyres) [citation needed]
7:47 - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 E-gear (sport tyres) (sport auto 01/07)
7:48 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440 kg (sport auto 07/06)
7:49 - Helmut Dahne, Honda VFR750R
7:50 - Fausto "Faustone" Severi Rsv1000R-Gsxr1000 vs Dahne (SuperWheels's Pattuglia Acrobatica 2002)
7:50 - Westfield Megabusa, 180 PS/440 kg [citation needed]
7:50 - Lamborghini Murcielago, (sport auto 06/02)
7:50 - BMW X5 E53 LM, BMW Lemans V-12 engine 750 bhp, Hans-Joachim Stuck (EVO magazine 08/2005)
7:50 - BMW M3 E46 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03)
7:52 - Porsche 996 GT3 (381 hp) [citation needed]
7:52 - Lamborghini Gallardo [citation needed]
7:55 - Caterham R500 Superlight, 233 PS/460 kg, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/2000)
7:55 - Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06)
7:56 - Honda NSX-R (NA2), 280 PS/31kgm/1270 kg, Incomplete lap by 30 metres, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best MOTORing 08/02)
7:56 - Porsche 996 Turbo (sport auto 06/00)
7:56 - Ferrari 360 stradale (sport tyres) (sport auto 02/04)
7:57 - Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo (600 hp, racing suspension) [citation needed]
7:59 - Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting ?Performance?, Walter Rohrl, (WHEELS 06/04)
7:59 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R33, Dirk Schoymans, unknown modifications (Autocar magazine 1997)
7:59 - Dodge Viper SRT-10 (11/05) Motor Trend
7:59 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51,405 PS/1481 kg, driver Dave Hill (manufacturer claim)
7:59 - Subaru Impreza Sti Spec-C (Prototype), 280 PS/1370 kg (Subaru News 2004 [1])
8:01 - Bugatti EB 110 Supersport, 610 PS/1410 kg [citation needed]
8:01 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R33, 280 PS/37.5 kgf?m/1540 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series [The R33 GT-R])
8:02 - Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series, 507 PS/ 1790 kg (autobild 07/07)
8:03 - Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005), 380 bhp/1570 kg (sport auto 10/05)
8:03 - Porsche 911 GT3, 360 PS/1391 kg (sport auto 08/99)
8:03 - Honda NSX-R (NA1), 280 PS/30 kgf?m/1230 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best MOTORing 02/06)
8:06 - Subaru WRX STi Spec-C prototype, 280 PS/42 kgf?m/1370 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best Motoring International video "NISMO Beast Unleashed")
8:07 - Ferrari 550 [citation needed]
8:07 - BMW Z8 E52, 400 PS/1615 kg (autobild.de 06/01)
8:09 - Lamborghini Diablo SV [citation needed]
8:09 - Ferrari 360 Modena [citation needed]
8:09 - BMW M6 E63 (sport tyres) [limited to 259 km/h] (sport auto 12/05)
8:09 - Honda NSX-R, 320 PS/1467 kg, sport tires, suspension modification (sport auto 08/02)
8:10 - Chrysler Viper GTS (Sport Auto 10/97)
8:11 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR prototype, 280 PS/40.8 kgf?m/1420 kg, Takayuki Kinoshita (Best Motoring International video "Carrera Invasion")
8:12 - Porsche 993 Turbo (430 hp version) [citation needed]
8:13 - BMW M5 E60, 507 PS (sport auto 12/04)
8:13 - Ferrari 355 GTB (Sport Auto 10/1994)
8:17 - Porsche 996 C2 [citation needed]
8:22 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R32, 280 PS/36 kgf?m/1430 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series [The R32 GT-R])
8:22 - BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:22 - BMW M Coupe E36/7, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/98)
8:22 - Mercedes CLK 63 AMG (fastest AMG test engineer)
8:24 - Subaru Impreza WRX STI, sport tires (Sport Auto 05/04)
8:25 - Jaguar XKR (Sport Auto)
8:25 - Porsche Cayman S (Sport Auto)
8:25 - Audi RS4 375 hp [citation needed]
8:24 - Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VI, sport tires (Sport Auto 11/99)
8:25 - Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VII, sport tires (Sport Auto 11/02)
8:26 - BMW 335i E92 Coupe, 306 hp (Sport Auto)
8:26 - Nissan 350Z (Sport Auto 10/03)
8:28 - Porsche 911 Carrera (993) (Sport Auto 07/97)
8:28 - BMW M5 E39 (previous model), 400 hp [citation needed]
8:32 - Porsche Boxster S (Sport Auto 12/99)
8.34 - BMW Sauber F1.06 Formula One car, Nick Heidfeld, April 28 2007[1]
8:35 - BMW M3 E36 Coupe, 321 hp [citation needed]
8:36 - Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., Oct 2005), sport compact record holder
8:37 - Mercedes C32 AMG [citation needed]
8:38 - Honda NSX (sport auto, 08/97)
8:39 - Honda S2000 (sport auto 01/00)
8:40 - Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic, 344 PS/1505 kg (sport auto 07/97) (Crash involving civilian later in the lap)
8:42 - Audi S4 265 hp [citation needed]
8:42 - Lotus Exige, sport tires (Sport Auto 11/00)
8:47 - Honda Civic Type-R (Sport Auto 11/01)
8:48 - Opel Corsa OPC, Manuel Reuter, supermini record
8:49 - Jaguar XKR Coupe [citation needed]
8:52 - Mercedes CLK 430 [citation needed]
9:12 - Jaguar S-Type Diesel driven by Sabine Schmitz for an episode of Top Gear (Series 5, Episode 5 Bridged to Gantry)
9:59 - Jaguar S-Type Diesel driven by Jeremy Clarkson for an episode of Top Gear (Series 5, Episode 5 Bridge to Gantry)
10:08 - Ford Transit driven by Sabine Schmitz for an episode of Top Gear (Series 6, episode 7; Bridge to Gantry within tourist traffic)

[DanaT]

Yes SSI. Those are record runs. I bet that Z06 had a professional driver, crew, etc. I would also bet that it was done on a closed track. When you have the whole track, and no 2CV as moving traffic cones, times go down.

In fact, if they are timing you KNOW the track is closed as you have about 200 yards of the track that is closed during opne days (i.e. its 19 Euro per lap and you have to pull off and pay for the next lap).

-Dana

[SSII]

Yes, almost all of those times are done with Pros on a closed track.

Walter Rohrl on the list. I recognized that name, even over here. I think he has almost more time on the Ring than anyone if I recall correctly. I watched a video once of him driving the Ring and it is was VERY exciting just watching the video. The speeds he was carrying into blind corners was nuts. A fantastic Pilot.

You can let them know over there, that the Ring is VERY well known over in the states. Also envied. :)
I really like this video too. That Lotus is a sweet race car.

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2676641

[The Man With The Plan]

I think I just soiled myself.

[jeeplvr79]

VERY nice pics... Something I would like to go see, someday!

[Ghettojeep]

Hey, here is just a sampling of some pictures I took a few days ago at the track. I realize that these aren't quite as cool of cars as STi's and that most of these drivers only wish they could flog an STi on a track. But they weren't bad cars none-the-less. I guess a few of these would maybe be on the verge of being supercars....


-Dana

8:24 - Subaru Impreza WRX STI, sport tires (Sport Auto 05/04)
8:25 - Jaguar XKR (Sport Auto)
8:25 - Porsche Cayman S (Sport Auto)

bwahahahahaha.... :flipoff2:

[Jake_Blues]

I'd love to drive the N?rburgring, but I can't even keep track of 13 turns, let alone 172.

-E

[DanaT]

bwahahahahaha.... :flipoff2:

I don't get it. A 1 second advantage the STi had when running race tires....

I guess you have to give the STi every advantage that it can have....

-Dana

[rho95zj]

The laps in the M3 were low 10 minute laps. That may seem slow, but its not.
-Dana


10:08 - Ford Transit Van driven by Sabine Schmitz


:P

[rho95zj]

I don't get it. A 1 second advantage the STi had when running race tires....

I guess you have to give the STi every advantage that it can have....

-Dana

An evo is WAY faster then an sti stock for stock on a track. The sti only has the advantage in the straight line and thats only because of the extra .5L the udsm sti's have look at the sti's in japan (there 2.0l over there just like evos), they get dominated in every motor sport by the evos.

[SSII]

Sabine Schmitz< makes my motor rev!!! :)

[Ghettojeep]

Stock Evo MR/IX turbo on the left stock sti on the right.

http://a325.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/81/l_5619f0e42bad6fe46d452e08646700fc.jpg


Hands down performance wise evos own the stis. My buddy has an MR out in Vegas and is pushing 350 awdhp w/ only a full TBE and pipes plus a reflash. Best you can do on a stock turbo subi is ~300.

Why I bought the sti over the evo was the opportunity for a certified used ride (a new one was well out of my budget), and hands down subi has better warranty service. I would be sketched out buying a used evo. I know a guy who blew 4th gear w/ 3500 miles on his new evo and was denied warranty. Plus better insurance rates, etc.

I've ran w/ an evo 7 or 8 (don't really know which) and pulled on him hard, but he also had 4 people in the car, and 2 of them were squeezed in there, prolly a 600 lb advantage to me.

I'm going out to vegas this fall to run w/ these guys out on the dry lake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKtOWD94dTE

[scottycards]

Dry lake? Dude, you're in for some fun. I had my A4 at El Mirage one year. We went out to watch the land speed events.

After it was over, you have to drive a few miles back to the road- on the lakebed. Can you say big drifts at 100MPH? SUPER fun.

If you're out there the third weekend of Sept, check out the Silver State Classic Challenge on hwy 318 between Hiko and Lund- just north of Vegas. A few fast cars show up.......... www.sscc.us

[rho95zj]

Stock Evo MR/IX turbo on the left stock sti on the right.

http://a325.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/81/l_5619f0e42bad6fe46d452e08646700fc.jpg


Hands down performance wise evos own the stis. My buddy has an MR out in Vegas and is pushing 350 awdhp w/ only a full TBE and pipes plus a reflash. Best you can do on a stock turbo subi is ~300.

Why I bought the sti over the evo was the opportunity for a certified used ride (a new one was well out of my budget), and hands down subi has better warranty service. I would be sketched out buying a used evo. I know a guy who blew 4th gear w/ 3500 miles on his new evo and was denied warranty. Plus better insurance rates, etc.

I've ran w/ an evo 7 or 8 (don't really know which) and pulled on him hard, but he also had 4 people in the car, and 2 of them were squeezed in there, prolly a 600 lb advantage to me.

I'm going out to vegas this fall to run w/ these guys out on the dry lake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKtOWD94dTE



well ill be the first to admit that i dont have nearly as much knowledge on the sti as i do the evo. Im kinda partial to mitsu since i drive a dsm. But the stock evo turbo is a 16g, which i have on my talon, and that a pretty small turbo. So based on the picture the stis have like a t-25 size turbo which i don't think is right. In a straight line like i said the sti will take an evo because of the displacement. But like you said the potential when modifying goes to the evo hands down! Not only for ease of installation due to the 4g63 motor it has being a in-line four opposed to a flat four. But the aftermarket base is getting much bigger for evos. They run all the normal aftermarket stuff stock so its much easier to run, lets say a bigger fmic. Have you seen how much piping it takes to runs an fmic on an sti, its ridiculous!

[The Man With The Plan]

vf39 in a stock STi.

[DanaT]

I like the looks of the ECVO much better. However, if I were buying one, I would buy the STi. Why? Better dealer network. I don;t think Mitsu is real stable in the market at the moment.

As much as I rag on STi (and the EVO is in the same boat), they are actually pretty impressive cars. I look at them as the poor mans (ok..average mans) S4. All-in-all, for what people pay for these things, you get a lot of car.

-Dana

[Ghettojeep]

I might be off here, but I believe my buddy said that the MR and EVO IX's are 20gs. VII and VIII's are 16gs.

[sonofmayhem]

My buddy paid 36 for his 06/07 evo nine last year. I agree those cars are scary fast. and sound evil with a straight pipe. But i still want an sti:D

[rho95zj]

No they are 16g's they just have a 10.5 hotside on the turbo which the VIII's dont have.