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DaJudge
August 29th, 2007, 02:27 PM
I've been in petroleum pipeline business for about 31 years, currently
working for the Kinder-Morgan Pipeline here in San Jose, CA. We deliver
about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period from the pipe line; one day it's
diesel, the next day it's jet fuel and gasoline. We have 34 storage tanks
here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons. Here are some tricks to
help you get your money's worth.

1. Fill up your car or truck in the morning when the temperature is
still cool. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks
buried below ground; and the colder the ground, the denser the gasoline.
When it gets warmer gasoline expands, so if you're filling up in the
afternoon or in the evening, what should be a gallon is not exactly a
gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and temperature of
the fuel (gasoline, diesel, jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products)
are significant. Every truckload that we load is temperature-compensated so
that the indicated gallonage is actually the amount pumped. A one-degree
rise in temperature is a big deal for businesses, but service stations don't
have temperature compensation at their pumps.

2. If a tanker truck is filling the station's tank at the time you
want to buy gas, do not fill up; most likely dirt and sludge in the tank is
being stirred up when gas is being delivered, and you might be transferring
that dirt from the bottom of their tank into your car's tank.

3. Fill up when your gas tank is half-full (or half-empty), because
the more gas you have in your tank the less air there is and gasoline
evaporates rapidly, especially when it's warm. (Gasoline storage tanks have
an internal floating 'roof' membrane to act as a barrier between the gas and
the atmosphere, thereby minimizing evaporation.)

4. If you look at the trigger you'll see that it has three delivery
settings: slow, medium and high. When you're filling up do not squeeze the
trigger of the nozzle to the high setting. You should be pumping at the
slow setting, thereby minimizing vapors created while you are pumping.
Hoses at the pump are corrugated; the corrugations act as a return path for
vapor recovery from gas that already has been metered. If you are pumping at
the high setting, the agitated gasoline contains more vapor, which is being
sucked back into th e underground tank so you're getting less gas for your
money. Hope this will help ease your 'pain at the pump'.

Jake_Blues
August 29th, 2007, 03:13 PM
#1 - Bupkiss. Volume change of a liquid by temp isn't much, and an underground storage tank isn't going to change temp much over a few hours regardless of air temp changes.

#2 - Jack Squat. Maybe a clogged fuel filter, or a fuel pump that has to work a bit harder, but any particulates that settle out of gas in the underground tanks are gonna settle out in your car tank, too. Besides, I bet the fuel pick-up in those underground tanks are at the BOTTOM of the tank... so stirring up the contaminates would probably mean LESS in your tank.

#3 - Stupid. If you fill up twice with half a tank of gas, you're ejecting just as much air/fuel mix as if you fill up once with an empty tank. Duh.

#4 - Almost as stupid. Most of the air/fuel mix coming back out of the tank is just the air displaced by the gas going in, which is already saturated with gas. I'm not gonna take 3 times as long sitting at the gas station to save a pennies' worth of gas.

-E

Dave McDonald
August 29th, 2007, 03:15 PM
'bout enough to drive a pissant's motorcycle around the inside of a cheerio.

MinesJeep
August 29th, 2007, 03:30 PM
Yeah, I just recently read a study analyzing the costs to consumers due to item 1. I'm trying to find the study so I can post it, but its hilarious. They do all this analysis and conclude per year it costs consumers like $2 billion a year. Sure $2 billion seems like alot, but when you consider American's consumed 3,343,131,000 barrels of gasoline or 120 billion of gallons of gas in 2005, thats less then a 1/42 of penny per gallon. This consumer advocacy group then goes on to claim we should install temperature sensitive pumpin equipment at every gas station for a cost of like $7 billion a year. Good job, consumer watch groups of America.

Item 3, might be a good idea but for the wrong reasons. I get better gas mileage on the first half of my tank then on the last half.

Jake_Blues
August 29th, 2007, 04:11 PM
Item 3, might be a good idea but for the wrong reasons. I get better gas mileage on the first half of my tank then on the last half.

That seems weird. Your heep is lighter on the last half and should in theory get slightly better milage, all else being equal. Are you using your gas gauge as a guide? Just because the gauge says you have half a tank left doesn't mean much. Mine reads half full when I've burned 10 gallons, but it reads empty when I've burned 17.5 gallons... the first "half" has a lot more gas than the last "half"!

-E

IronMonkey
August 29th, 2007, 04:16 PM
I try to take a big dump before getting into the morning commute, you know, lighten the load to help the gas mileage.

Seriously, somewhere it was written that due to obesity in the USA it requires some redonkulous amount of extra gasoline to haul our bloated carcasses around. If everyone got to a healthy BMI we could save some serious gasoline.

That aside, while items #1-4 might work, the effect is below materiality.

ColoradoXJ
August 29th, 2007, 04:17 PM
Yeah, I just recently read a study analyzing the costs to consumers due to item 1. I'm trying to find the study so I can post it, but its hilarious. They do all this analysis and conclude per year it costs consumers like $2 billion a year. Sure $2 billion seems like alot, but when you consider American's consumed 3,343,131,000 barrels of gasoline or 120 billion of gallons of gas in 2005, thats less then a 1/42 of penny per gallon. This consumer advocacy group then goes on to claim we should install temperature sensitive pumpin equipment at every gas station for a cost of like $7 billion a year. Good job, consumer watch groups of America.

Item 3, might be a good idea but for the wrong reasons. I get better gas mileage on the first half of my tank then on the last half.


http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=99155&highlight=gasoline+temperature

there you go :thumbsup:

IronMonkey
August 29th, 2007, 05:44 PM
See now I'm the opposite. I would rather haul 2 lbs of crap to work and get paid to dispose of it than get up 5 minutes earlier and do it at home.

You are a true genius. Nothing better than using their time for my business, so to speak.

Jake_Blues
August 29th, 2007, 05:45 PM
See now I'm the opposite. I would rather haul 2 lbs of crap to work and get paid to dispose of it than get up 5 minutes earlier and do it at home.

Polluter! And I don't mean by the extra gas you burn.

-E

ColoradoXJ
August 29th, 2007, 06:03 PM
*off topic*

gotta wait until you get to work. clock in, make your prescence known, then head to da pooper. good way to get ready for your day, and your boss will be happy with the lightened 'pressure' you're feeling :D

ZappBranigan
August 29th, 2007, 07:49 PM
*off topic*

gotta wait until you get to work. clock in, make your prescence known, then head to da pooper. good way to get ready for your day, and your boss will be happy with the lightened 'pressure' you're feeling :D

He won't be happy with that cloud of noxious gas you deposited into his employee restroom, though. :D

POLLY
August 29th, 2007, 08:27 PM
He won't be happy with that cloud of noxious gas you deposited into his employee restroom, though. :D

He would rather have that cloud in the restroom, then hovering in your cubical as a potential death zone for unexpected visitors.

Budman
August 29th, 2007, 08:40 PM
it is all big oil's fault!!

oleblue
August 29th, 2007, 08:57 PM
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a89/oleblue/management.jpg

NOw as far as saving gas with the tips..
Someone has got to be able to debunk it from snopes or something. I can't ever find anything on there, but I'm sure it is bunk.

Now I have filled up in the AM and parked in the sun and guess what, gas has expanded enough to spill out as it expands from the heat.

Scott91MJ
August 29th, 2007, 09:11 PM
ok...here we go,
#1: I work where we take 8000gal loads of fuel every day, the differences between temp is about 50 to 100 gal (1.25% at most). If anyone takes 8000gal/year (152gal/wk) your driving too much!

#2: The tanks have floating suction on them and they have many fuel filters on them, no need to worry.

#3: The more gas you have in your tank, the more weight you have in your car. The best time for your car to get the best gas mileage is from 1/2 to 1/4, the worst is between full and 3/4.

#4: ...:spit:

JeepTherapy
August 29th, 2007, 10:36 PM
He would rather have that cloud in the restroom, then hovering in your cubical as a potential death zone for unexpected visitors.

Nothing quite like the boss paying me to give a crap at work :)

Dave McDonald
August 30th, 2007, 08:02 AM
I try to take a big dump before getting into the morning commute, you know, lighten the load to help the gas mileage.

Seriously, somewhere it was written that due to obesity in the USA it requires some redonkulous amount of extra gasoline to haul our bloated carcasses around. If everyone got to a healthy BMI we could save some serious gasoline.

That aside, while items #1-4 might work, the effect is below materiality.

That's why I take a dump at work. Going to work is downhill - I can coast from Idledale to Morrison. Goin back home I need to lighten the load.