Saddam and bin Laden, its true!!!

[sames]

Captured Iraqi Terrorist Says Bin Laden Had al-Qaeda Camps in Iraq Under Saddam's Regime (http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/blog/2007/8/11/captured-iraqi-terrorist-says-bin-laden-had-al-qaeda-camps-i.html)

Bottom Line Up Front (http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=813): Osama bin Laden?s al-Qaeda had training camps in Fallujah, Iraq, under Saddam Hussein?s regime. Al-Qaeda recruited Sunni Iraqis in the terror camps.
In this amazing footage that aired on Iraqi TV in August 2005 (http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=813), Iraqi terrorist Ramzi Hashem Abed sang like a bird after being arrested for terrorist activity explaining his mission with al-Zarqawi, former head of al-Qaeda in Iraq, as part of Osama bin Laden?s terror network. He said that bin Laden?s al-Qaeda had been training in Fallujah?.. UNDER SADDAM HUSSEIN?S REGIME?. until they were chased out through Mosul by U.S. forces. He then described them as ?scattered?.
Ramzi Hashem Abed also described the brutality of al-Qaeda as Iraqi Police LT Muhammad reprimanded him for calling his acts of rape and murder ?Jihad?. At the end, Abed praises the treatment given him during the interrogation by LT Muhammad and near tears said:?I never believed Shiites could show such respect and care. We were taught by people like Mullah Al-Raikan that Shi?a is not Islam.?
Abed also said al-Qaeda and al-Zarqawi gave drugs to suicide bombers before their missions so their acts of terror wouldn?t hurt them.

[Gags]

Interesting.

[scottycards]

It's summer, the middle of wheeling season- all politics on the board.

WTF?

It is interesting, and I'm glad to see this news, however. Maybe we weren't totally off the mark.

[starbreaker666]

I don't have a 4x4 so what else am I supposed to do? Oh yea I have been watching NASCAR and had my head in front of a video game all summer.:D:D:D MORE POLITICS LESS 4x4!

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Maybe that will make more sense :shrug:

[DADA_JEEP]

this is a suprise to anyone?

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Yasser Arafat Had AIDS (http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/blog/2007/8/12/yasser-arafat-had-aids.html)

Bottom Line Up Front (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/892231.html): Yasser Arafat died with HIV in his blood.
When former PLO chairman Yasser Arafat died in Nov. 2004 (http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57124), rumors circulated as to the cause of death. Now the secret is out of the closet: Arafat had AIDS. His doctor claimed that while HIV was in his blood, Arafat died of a poisoned injection, and many Arab journalists and politicians accuse Israel under former prime minister Ariel Sharon of poisoning Arafat.
VIDEO of Arafat Kissing (http://www.brightcove.com/title.jsp?title=1137755193)

Inconclusive? Maybe, but it certainly puts a new dimension on Arafat?s affection for Middle Eastern custom.
More on Arafat?s entourage of teenaged boys?. (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123347)
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Reader Comments (8)

yeah but.... it wuz all the Jooz fault!

August 12, 2007 | http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/layout/iconSets/dark/user-unregistered.pngMark Krauss (http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/display/ShowAuthorProfile?unregisteredAuthorId=1187863&rootReturnUrl=http%3A%2F%2Famyproctor.squarespace.com%2Fblog%2F2007%2F8%2F12%2Fyasser-arafat-had-aids.html)

He died of an injection alright!

August 12, 2007 | http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/layout/iconSets/dark/user-unregistered.pngEvrviglnt (http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/display/ShowAuthorProfile?unregisteredAuthorId=1187913&rootReturnUrl=http%3A%2F%2Famyproctor.squarespace.com%2Fblog%2F2007%2F8%2F12%2Fyasser-arafat-had-aids.html)

Couldn't have said it better, Evrviglnt!
I'm not up on Islamic law about homosexuality, but recently Iran imposed a "temporary marriage" law so that young horny guys could legally fornicate. Pretty dispicable if you ask me.

August 12, 2007 | http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/layout/iconSets/dark/user-unregistered.pngAmy P (http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/display/ShowAuthorProfile?unregisteredAuthorId=1187918&rootReturnUrl=http%3A%2F%2Famyproctor.squarespace.com%2Fblog%2F2007%2F8%2F12%2Fyasser-arafat-had-aids.html)

In the seventeenth century Ottoman empire, according to sources, the state witnessed a surge ( excuse the pun) in men/boy sexual practices . The Kadizadeli movements tried to make a ?coffee house? connection to these men/boy movements, but they failed. For those not knowledgeable of Turkish coffee houses in the sixteenth century Ottoman empire ? they did serve coffee as applicable to their houses, but they also made opium available to persons in ? want.? There was no law against it. The Ottoman laws had no measures in their books to deal with the product of opium and its social affects. Opium wasn?t known well ? so to many people this was a new phenomenon. This explains why the Kadizadeli movements rose up and protested against these ?relatively new? concepts of coffee houses. They thought this drug led to these perversion acts. As far as the men/boy movement?s records in the texts, I have them in notes, but not assessable at this time for a post ? so I wouldn?t know the legality to the normative laws of the official Ottoman laws ( there were three law systems they ran ? nothing similar to a constitutional law either) .

August 12, 2007 | http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/layout/iconSets/dark/user-unregistered.pngCalPatriot (http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/display/ShowAuthorProfile?unregisteredAuthorId=1188204&rootReturnUrl=http%3A%2F%2Famyproctor.squarespace.com%2Fblog%2F2007%2F8%2F12%2Fyasser-arafat-had-aids.html)

I feel for the people who get aids through no fault of their own but this news story doesn't surprise me really...sad unfortunately!

August 13, 2007 | http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/layout/iconSets/dark/user-unregistered.pngAimz (http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/display/ShowAuthorProfile?unregisteredAuthorId=1188372&rootReturnUrl=http%3A%2F%2Famyproctor.squarespace.com%2Fblog%2F2007%2F8%2F12%2Fyasser-arafat-had-aids.html)

don't it just make you proud to know some of the money our leadership sent to this bastard went to maintaining his boy-harem. I bet Jimmy is proud! he's the one who turned this terrorist into a "statesman"

August 13, 2007 | http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/layout/iconSets/dark/user-unregistered.pngMark Krauss (http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/display/ShowAuthorProfile?unregisteredAuthorId=1189128&rootReturnUrl=http%3A%2F%2Famyproctor.squarespace.com%2Fblog%2F2007%2F8%2F12%2Fyasser-arafat-had-aids.html)

Did you guys see the video? Pretty gross. He certainly seems comfortable making out with a man. I admire Middle Eastern customs of affections but something seems a bit out of bounds in that video.
These rumors have swirled around Arafat for a long time, long before his death. I am disgusted by any religious leader no matter what religion it is who is promiscious. Arafat didn't have a whole lot going for him to begin with.

August 13, 2007 | http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/layout/iconSets/dark/user-unregistered.pngAmy P (http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/display/ShowAuthorProfile?unregisteredAuthorId=1189334&rootReturnUrl=http%3A%2F%2Famyproctor.squarespace.com%2Fblog%2F2007%2F8%2F12%2Fyasser-arafat-had-aids.html)

Yea, he died of a ejection alright! Maybe different then a needle, but hey even the Muzzies like diversity, right.
Seriously, this is one repressed society. My guess is AIDS runs pretty rampant, but unreported

August 14, 2007 | http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/layout/iconSets/dark/user-unregistered.pngdtodeen (http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/display/ShowAuthorProfile?unregisteredAuthorId=1193533&rootReturnUrl=http%3A%2F%2Famyproctor.squarespace.com%2Fblog%2F2007%2F8%2F12%2Fyasser-arafat-had-aids.html)

[al24]

Bush Drinking Again?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8452265831015429619

[Yota]

He's calling BS on your source, Sames - as if the source is just BLUF.

But the actual source is http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=813

Unfortunately, it doesn't work.

[Taz]

This is old news this has been known since days after the start of the war.............

[sames]

I don't understand, he believes all the nutt job lefty blogs :D

[Yota]

This is old news this has been known since days after the start of the war.............

True. I seem to recall the administration pointing this out in the lead-up to the Iraq war and confirmation after we took Saddam's government buildings.

But the thread was started on a different source - an insider. I'd like to read the guy's words directly but that link is broken.

[Yota]

Okay I finally found the original video clip on MEMRITV.org

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/813.htm

The mention of the links to Saddam's intel organization and the AQ training camps under the old regime are toward the end.

And there are TONS more clips like this that Middle East Media Research Institute has diligently translated and catalogued for our viewing displeasure. If anyone wonders what is really being said on al-Jazeera or al-Arabiya, MEMRI (http://www.memri.org/aboutus.html)has it for you.








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[al24]

And nowhere in the clip posted is Bin Laden mentioned.

:shrug:

[Yota]

And nowhere in the clip posted is Bin Laden mentioned.

:shrug:

Haha! Nice try.

[al24]

So where's the connection?

:shrug:

[al24]

Oh wait are you talking about Ansar al islam?

[al24]

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Reports/Op-Ed (http://www.krg.org/), 10:39:20 29 Jul. 2005
The Rise of Ansar al-Islam

Dan Darling (articles@krg.org)

Inside the birth of the Kurdish terrorist organization.

IN A LETTER WRITTEN to the al Qaeda leadership in early 2004, Abu Musab Zarqawi described the Iraqi Kurds in less than favorable terms. As far as Zarqawi was concerned, they were "a Trojan horse" who had opened their land to the Jews and established a society that served as the antithesis to his extremist conception of Islam. There are many reasons, however, to suspect that bin Laden differed with the man he would later name as his representative in Iraqi Kurdistan in this view.

While the puritanical strains of Islam favored by bin Laden and Zarqawi hold little popular appeal to most Iraqi Kurds, al Qaeda's interest in exploiting the region runs deep. According to a former Ansar al-Islam commander who was interviewed by the Christian Science Monitor under the pseudonym Rebwar Kadr Said, the links between Kurdistan's Islamist minority and what would later become al Qaeda run all the way back to the 1980s in Afghanistan, when bin Laden's mentor, Sheikh Abdullah Azzam, took aside two men (a Kurdish Islamist named Faraj Ahmad Najmuddin and a Palestinian) and told his followers to look after the two groups that both men represented, effectively placing the fate of the Kurds on par with that of Palestinians in the eyes of Azzam's followers.

Like far too many other groups of foreign veterans of Afghan War, the Kurdish Islamists returned home radicalized and--believing that Saddam secular Baathism could be overthrown just as easily as the Soviet communism--rallied for jihad against Baghdad during the late 1980s
and early 1990s. During the uprising following the 1991 Gulf War, the Kurdish Islamists appear to have caught bin Laden's eye. The 9/11 Commission Report noted the al Qaeda leader's past sponsorship of Kurdish Islamists in the hopes of convincing them to join the nascent terrorist coalition that he was assembling in Sudan. Rohan Gunaratna, one of the world's leading experts on al Qaeda, identified two propaganda tapes, amidst the dozens of al Qaeda videos found in Afghanistan by CNN, as having been produced by the Kurdish Islamists. These tapes, among other things, identify Saddam Hussein as an enemy of Islam and call for jihad against the infidel Baath party.


WHILE MANY OBSERVERS and analysts have cited bin Laden's early support for the Kurdish Islamists--such as his early attempt to dissuade the Saudi leadership from accepting Western support following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait by offering to lead an army of mujahedeen against Saddam Hussein--as evidence of the ultimate incompatibility between the two men, they forget that as early as 1992 an internal Iraqi intelligence document lists bin Laden as an intelligence asset, suggesting that his prior willingness to field an army against the Baathists had given way to more pragmatic thinking.

Similarly, while bin Laden was more than willing to sponsor Kurdish Islamism against Saddam Hussein in the aftermath of the Gulf War, any eagerness to aid in the overthrow of Baathism in Iraq appears to have paled in comparison to his desire to accommodate Hassan Turabi, who was al Qaeda's primary host while the organization operated in Sudan. As noted in the 9/11 Commission Report, Turabi (who had previously backed Saddam during the Gulf War) brokered an agreement under which bin Laden would cease supporting anti-Saddam activities. And while the 9/11 Commission Report noted that bin Laden continued to support Kurdish Islamism even after this agreement, it failed to note that by 1993 the group had, by and large, ended its anti-Saddam activities and instead was focusing on creating a parallel Islamist Kurdish administration in contrast to the more secular authority of the leading Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) and the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK). This move culminated in armed clashes with the PUK in December 1993.
From an Islamist perspective, this should be seen not only as a challenge against the major Kurdish authorities but also as a challenge to the establishment of anything resembling secular democratic society in the Middle East. As with their previous jihads against Saddam, the Kurdish Islamists were defeated and eventually splintered into a number of factions along the northern Iraqi border with Iran. At the time, most observers believed that the threat posed by Iraqi Islamism was at an end.


YET ONCE AGAIN, al Qaeda disagreed. In April 2003 the New York Times reported that in 2000 and 2001 bin Laden hosted the several Kurdish Islamist leaders in Afghanistan, urging them to put aside past differences and form a single organization in the region. Collin Powell's presentation before the U.N. Security Council added yet another detail to this picture, claiming that in 2000 an Iraqi intelligence agent had offered al Qaeda Saddam's blessing to establish a safehaven in northern Iraq, a view that appears to be supported by a comment in the 9/11 Commission Report: "There are indications that by then [2001] the Iraqi regime tolerated and may even have helped Ansar al-Islam against the common Kurdish enemy."

Yet with or without Iraqi assistance, one by one the Kurdish Islamist groups heeded bin Laden's call to unite. In July 2001, the Kurdish Hamas united with al-Tawhid, forming the Tawhid Islamic Front and sending several members to Afghanistan for training. Then in September 2001, Tawhid Islamic Front merged with the Second Soran
Unit to become Jund al-Islam, after which time the new organization launched a bloody campaign against the ruling Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. Despite its small size, Jund al-Islam soon proved its worth in battle against the PUK, quickly gaining the support of another group of Kurdish Islamists led by Faraj Ahmad Najmuddin, now known as Mullah Krekar. By December 10, 2001 the two groups had merged together and Ansar al-Islam was born.

Dan Darling is a counter-terrorism consultant for the Manhattan Institute's Center for Policing Terrorism.

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[Yota]

He directly said there were connections to Saddam's organization.

[Machete]

I really thought this was going to be about this article.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_kmwwn/is_200403/ai_kepm398792

Found! Saddam's Love Diaries
Weekly World News, March, 2004

Saddam Hussein may be cooling his heels in the custody of U.S. troops, but his ardent gay love for "hubby" Osama Bin Laden still burns with a fiery passion -- and the Pentagon's got the lurid, smuggled love letters to prove it.

"It's a tribute to Saddam's resourcefulness that he managed to find a way to get love notes delivered back and forth between himself and Osama, despite the fact that he's supposedly being held incommunicado by our best troops and the CIA," says a U.S. military source in Baghdad.

"It illustrates part of the reason he was able to retain power for so long. Half of his control was based on pure, ruthless brutality, the other half on shrewd scheming and the ability to make the impossible happen against all odds.

[al24]

He directly said there were connections to Saddam's organization.
Where?

[Yota]

The part where he mentioned the links between their training camps and Saddam's intel organization. You saw the same thing I did so what exactly are you trying to refute?

[1BGDOG]

There is no connection, only torture which smart people know doesn't work. KSM admitted to killing Pearl but there is no prove of that either.

[Yota]

There is no connection, only torture which smart people know doesn't work. KSM admitted to killing Pearl but there is no prove of that either.

huh?

[sames]

huh?

He was just kidding, right?

[1BGDOG]

There is no connection, only torture which smart people know doesn't work. KSM admitted to killing Pearl but there is no prove of that either.
khalid sheikh mohammed


huh?

If you can't figure out a TLA (three letter acronym) on a high value subject you lose "knowledge" points with me. :P

He was just kidding, right?

Do a little research on the true value of torture (when someone sings like a "songbird" I have to question their methods, call me a Patriot:shrug:)and tell me if what the suspect says is valid. :beer:

[Snotty]

IDK... I have a different mindset about torture and the ME. I think it works better to some degree because they come from a culture where belonging to a torture club there is a like a country club here. Add on top of that, if the intel is bad, they will torture you more and kill your family. Sometimes while you get to watch them behead your children too. Good fun that!

But we as Moral People think it is bad because they will sing like birds to get us to stop, because they know we won't do anything to them even if it is bad intel. And our idea of Bad Music, Sleep deprevation, and stacking naked men on top of each other has nothing on thier ideas of torture.

[TheCopperCowboy]

Torture is torture. Didn't work during the dark ages, either. Why doesn't anyone use truth serum anymore? :shrug: