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whlnfreak
January 9th, 2004, 08:49 AM
There is going to be a meeting regarding the Hayman Burn area on January 21st in Denver and January 22nd in Colorado Springs. The times and locations are still not known.

This meeting is going to cover recommended closures by the Forest Service. This is a public meeting. They will be addressing Hacket, Longwater and Metberry along with the entire Hayman Burn area.

Please attend these meetings your input in crutial to keeping these trails open.

An update will be posted when times and locations are know.

Thanks for your support.

JP7
January 9th, 2004, 12:33 PM
The meeting place in Colorado Springs is Coronado High School from 5:00 to 8:00 PM. Please attend if you can.

whlnfreak
January 13th, 2004, 05:00 AM
The meeting in Denver is on January 21 at the Regional Office at Simms and 6th, 740 Simms Street, between the hours of 5-8pm. It is an open house so you can show up whenever you can.

The meeting in Colorado Springs is on January 22 at Coronado High School between the hours of 5-8pm. It is an open house style meaning you can show up whenever you can.

They are proposing to close Metberry Gulch, Sportsman Gulch, Corral Creek. There are many more.

Let's turn out in numbers to show them how much we care about the gulches.

ZukGuy
January 13th, 2004, 07:46 AM
Subject: Hacket Gulch - Hayman burn area meetings are a go!


To those of you interested in the Longwater and Hacket Gulches - OHV riding areas,



I have just spoken with Bill Jackson, Project Manager of the Travel Management Plan for the Hayman Fire Restoration Team. Created by the Forestry Service, this team facilitates several aspects of the restoration needed after the Hayman Fire devastation.



Bill Confirmed two public meeting being held this month to discuss the future of over 100 miles of roads affected by the fire. Included in these discussions will be the Longwater and Hacket Gulches. As many of you know, there have been discussions on the permanent closure of the Hacket Gulch area just west of Colorado Springs. Below are the dates and times for those meetings:

January 21, 2004 Wednesday - Forestry Service offices located at the Forest Service, 740 Simms, Lakewood CO - 5:00 pm. To 8:00 pm.
January 22, 2004 Thursday - Coronado High School located in Colorado Springs - 5:00 pm. To 8:00 pm.
1,600 letters informing the public are currently being sent out to their scoping list along with press releases to the media for publication as early as this week. If you are an off-road user or club in receipt of this notice, I urge you to consider having several of your riding acquaintances or members attend one of these meetings in order to voice your OHV user opinion. Historically, there has been vary little participation by the off-road public, leaving a tremendous amount of time for environmentalist to speak there peace and sway the opinions of decision makers to close areas like these. Leaving others to fight your battles reduces your chances for success. Attending a meeting and speaking up for what you believe in can go along ways in keeping riding areas like this open. Knowing there are many other non-OHV friendly areas yet to be considered for restoration compounds the need for your voice to be heard. For the last 18 months, several OHV user groups have donated thousands of hours and dollars to help with the restoration of private and public lands which were not OHV accessible to the Public. No effort to spend available funds on this recreational area has been made. Your opportunity to respectfully represent yourselves and others in this matter is just a few days away.

Your assistance in sharing this notice with other off-road enthusiasts would be greatly appreciated.

Dan Delasantos
Colorado Off-Highway Vehicle Coalition (COHVCO)
Colorado Quad Runners ATV Club (CQR)
ATV Safety Institute (ASI)

ZukGuy
January 13th, 2004, 07:47 AM
USE THE INFORMATION BELOW (FROM USFS WEBSITE) FOR PUBLIC COMMENT (NOTE E-MAIL LINK) OR GO TO THE WEBSITE ADDRESS BELOW FOR MORE INFO.


GO TO THIS WEBSITE FOR MORE INFO ( use copy and paste as the link didn't come thru the forward)
http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/psicc/hayres/travel
The proposed action for this project involves maintaining and upgrading roads as well as closing, restricting or decommissioning roads within the Hayman burn area. This project will directly address approximately half of the 258 miles of classified (Forest System) roads in the burn area. Of the 129 miles to be addressed in this project, 50 percent are proposed to be maintained as is and 50 percent are proposed to be restricted, closed, decommissioned or converted to other uses. The project also proposes the decommissioning of 35 - 70 miles of unclassified (non-Forest System) roads in the burn area. The proposed action considers that there are some roads that are too severely damaged to make it feasible to reopen them for use.

Public comment sought through February 16

In conjunction with the Environmental Assessment (EA) we are seeking public comment, through Feb. 16, to incorporate public concerns and issues into potential alternatives to the proposed action. These comments and alternatives will be incorporated into the project's draft Environmental Assessment (EA), which will subsequently be made available for 30-day public review prior to a decision. All alternatives will be analyzed for their impacts on the environment, with the responsible district rangers using that analysis to render decisions relating to actions to be taken on their respective districts.

Public Meetings. In addition to the information provided on this website, we have scheduled two public meetings to enable the public to receive additional information and provide input.

How do I submit comments?

Please send written comments to: Travel Management Project, 540 Elkton Dr. Suite 201, Colorado Springs, CO 80907, or email to r2_psicc_hayman_recovery@fs.fed.us. For e-mail input, you may click on the "Public Input" icon found on this web page.

Form for written comments (7 kb PDF)

Those who want to remain or be placed on the project mailing list or who have questions about the planning process should call the Hayman Restoration Team at 719-264-6154 or send an email to r2_psicc_hayman_recovery@fs.fed.us

XJDreme
January 13th, 2004, 01:07 PM
At the Haymen Restoration Site you will find their Road Analysis Report... It is 54 pages.

[url=http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/psicc/hayres/travel/index.htm[/url]

Here are just a couple of things I read in the report. We might be better off if we read this before going to the meeting.....

Here is what I found in the report....

Page 8

Recreation is an important industry on the Pike National Forest and generates a major portion of the local economic base through tourism. According to the 2002 National Visitor Use Monitoring Report, there were 3.87 million national forest visits on the PSICC.

Providing road systems that are safe to the public, responsive to public needs, environmentally sound, affordable, and efficient to manage is among the Forest Service?s top priorities.

Page 13
Roads in the project area have the potential to create potential pollutants in several ways. Vehicle contaminants such as oils, brake-pad linings and hydraulic fluid, as well as accidental spills, may also contaminate surface waters.

Page 17
The road system provides access for activities defined in TW(2). Effects to wildlife include disruption of courtship, breeding, nesting and rearing of your, reduced habitat effectiveness, displacement from occupied habitats and direct reductions in the amount of available habitat.

Page 24
Maintenance Level 1 & 2 roads (Hackett, Longwater, Metberry) that intersect the higher standard roads need to be clearly distinguishable from those that are managed for passenger car use. (Describes trail markings and road closed markings) Forest Officials should give high priority to recommending decommissioning those roads that pose the greatest risk to public safety.

Page 27
Attachment to the project area is very strong for local residents, regular users and motorized/non-motorized receptionists. Those participating in unroaded recreation opportunities would not welcome a road into any roadless area. Several environmental groups were very vocal in their comments during the Hayman Fire Timber Salvage Sale EA that no roads are built in roadless areas.

If you download their PDF document of Roads to be analyzed you will see.

Management Recommendations
A. Maintain as is
B. Increase maintenance level
C. Decrease maintenance level
D. Implement Seasonal Travel Restrictions
E. Close Year Round
F. Decommission or Convert to Other Use


Road 205 Metberry Has an E
Road 220 Hackett has an A
Road 220A Crossover has an F
Road 221 Longwater has an A

?MAINTAIN AS IS? Does that mean as is now or as is before the fire??????

EVERYONE NEEDS TO TRY AND FAMILIARIZE THEMSELVES WITH THIS DOCUMENT.

This is going to be a rough battle.
Please bring everyone you can to the meeting.

JadeRunner
January 21st, 2004, 09:08 AM
Jeff Zepp asked me to pass this along. We are with the Rising Sun Club.

He I spoke with Terry Gates with the USFS today about tonight's meeting. It is not going to be a hearing, but rather an open house to gather public opinion concerning the Hayman Burn Travel Management Plan. Bill Jackson with the USFS and Carol from CUSP will be there also. Several booths will be set up.

It is at 740 Sims in the red brick building, behind the large white building near the street. North East corner of 6th and Simms.