barking dog legal fund

[vb]

hey all
its that time! the mile high club is working thru their processes but the lawyer needs to get going asap. there is an acount set up thru aboutpubliclands . this acount is for donations for barking dog only and no other use. and no admin fees either.
please make checks to
barking dog
and send em to
po box 97 windsor co 80550
thanks for the help
vb
the lawyers name is john henderson
if youd like make the check in his name. we would like to get 2500 in the next10 plus or minus days
thanks again

vb

[jeepinaround]

I will send money in the next few days

[jonboy]

you should consider setting up a paypal account for this as well so people can just donate via the 'net and can even charge it on a credit card..

[vb]

something i know nothing about. would you be willing to help me do that. i think its a great idea

[jonboy]

I don't know much about it, other than I have a PayPal account...you basically link the paypal account to a regular bank account, and people can essentially "email" you money...pretty cool. It's pretty easy to setup an account. And here's a little writeup of the donation feature (which I have only seen but never done myself)

http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_help-ext&eloc=673&unique_id=02524

let me know if you want me to help out any more -- I'm more than willing to do anything to help.

[Grandpa Jeep]

Vernon,
It's really easy, just go to www.paypal.com (http://www.paypal.com) and click on where it says sign up. Enter all your information including email address. They will send you a confirmation and you're ready. All people need in your email address and they can send you money.

To get the money out you have to register a bank account. (Actually there are other ways, but that's the quickest and easiest) You give them the info on the account, they will make two wire transfers for a random amount. You tell them what the amounts are and you're done. Once verified, you can make transfers for free any time.

They have a help section on their site as well, but if you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

[vb]

i might be reading wrong but they say that withdrawls are limited to 500/mo for the first 4 months. could be a problem since most5 of the process needs to be well in hand before april. ill look more into it. if others use paypal regularly , jump in here please

[vb]

i was thinkin that the suggestion for being able to take cc's was good they seem to charge 2.9 for that. i spoze i'll do it and we'll just take things as they come. thanks guys.

[Grandpa Jeep]

Originally posted by vb:
i might be reading wrong but they say that withdrawls are limited to 500/mo for the first 4 months. could be a problem since most5 of the process needs to be well in hand before april. ill look more into it. if others use paypal regularly , jump in here pleaseIf you verify your identity with them, they will remove the withdrawl limit. Here's a link (http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_help-ext&eloc=404&loc=396&unique_id=04726) about that. And yes, they do charge 2.9% for credit cards, but that's about what a bank would charge you anyway, and this is far easier to setup.

[Bill]

This is what I've been waiting for! I'll be sending my check tonight.

Let's all get on the bandwagon.

[vb]

grandpa thanks for your help. i have done all they ask and i will also go thru the stuff to remove that limit. we are on!!! so
brandtv@wwdb.org is the address. for any of you that may think i will misuse founds than use the snail mail in the name of john henderson or brking dog. for all others -- i will not use the paypal acount for anything other than this work so all moneys sent to the acount goes to the legal fund. for those of you that do chose the paypal thing just let me know if you find a glitch. it should be working right now..
see ya on the road clean up!!!

[vb]

if anyone has sent money thru paypal yet let me know cause im seeing a zero balance right now. if there is a problem id like to get at it now

[Lars915]

I just sent a donation through PayPal.

Larry

[vb]

thank you, its important to get this action moving because in the long run the lawyer will save time and money plus we get some other advantage strategically. the thought at fed leval is also that this is a public road thru private land and all we have to do is make the initual step and the rest should fall in place. we should be opening this road again before summer unless the action drags on.but its vital to get the lawyer working or the window closes and we could be more than a year and a half away from a hearing even

[Eric]

I just sent a donation thru Paypal and I've added a link to the news section on the front page graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[vb]

got it . thank you. we'll haveta set up a time to go run this as a group.when its over

[Backcountry Colorado]

I will send a donation this Friday when I get paid. Good Luck!!!
RAy

[HIX]

I'll send some dough out Friday.

[ November 05, 2002, 07:42 AM: Message edited by: HIX ]

[vb]

thanks guys.

[Philip Greer]

Could someone post a status on the funds? I heard $2,500 was the goal, where are we at now? Just curious (don't post the amount if it's deemed sensitive - pm or e-mail me instead).

I hope to contribute this weekend, probably through paypal.

[Hairy]

Can somebody tell me how this PayPal thing works? My dad use to take me wheeling up that trail when I was a kid. I havn't been up there for years. How much more money do you still need?

[HIX]

Hey vb, are you going to be at the Carnage challenge on sat? If so I will just give you some cash then...God I'm lazy.

[vb]

i still need the majority of that money. sadly i have gotin two paypal donations and i got one check in the mail. im headed to the po this evening to see if any others have come in but im perty discuraged. i have to go to the lawyer in the am . i resceduled and was hopin to have more for the guy. i have lots of folks sayin that they "will" but it is needed now. yup im headed to the challange . its funny that you asked . i had had the thought today that i would try to pass the hat while there. thanks.
as for the pay pal they will ask for my email which is brandtv@wwdb.org and then you can use a cc to donate. i would apreciate it.
one of the question that have have had cross my mind is how to recocnize those that help with this. i know some might prefer to remain anon. i also will keep a list just for myself and at the end of the trail if we are succesful as we think we should be we should get an award for the legal cost for this which means that i would send money back to the donors based on there giveing percentage
hix how do i find you?

[HIX]

Hey. If you go on Sunday( I said Sat but I am an idiot) to the challege. I have some dough to give you. Me an three buddies are pitchin in all we can afford which is a grad pitiful total of 60 bux.

If you are going to be there accepting donations you will haul in more donations than if not.

I am assuming that most people are like me. Well meaning but just a little lazy.

I will be the guy in a red mazda pickup or as a spectator I'll have a grey stocking cap on.

[ November 13, 2002, 09:18 PM: Message edited by: HIX ]

[Hobo Willy]

I agree VB.

RANT:
Sad but true, most people in this forum do not care about 'Land Use', until it personally effects them (closing a trail they love). A good example is the lack of the number of discussions in the Land Use section.

Everyone wants to go wheelin' and have a good time, but nobody (except a few-you know who you are) cares to lift a finger on a certain trail issue and help (unless it's one they love to ride).

If the Barking Dog Trail closure remains, and Mark wins his case, it will set a presidence for ALL private landowners who own land near or along public roads to allow them close them just like Mark did. Then we are ALL screwed.

This is not only a case to reopen a public road, close by a private landowner, but to preserve the ones we already have. This $$ is only part of the effort.

With over 1000 members registered on Colorado 4x4.org and donating even a $1 or $5?, imagine the possibilities.

Thanks for your efforts VB.

[Hairy]

Hey vb, Maybe me and a couple of buds will show up sun. too. Rather do cash than a damn credit card anyway. Where will you be and how do we find ya?

[dmeis]

VB,
I sent you some money via Paypal.

graemlins/beer.gif

[XTJ a.k.a. Mark]

Sent the 10 bucks I could spare. Now if only everyone could send the guy a 5 spot.

Keep up the cause VB.

[jeepinaround]

I sent some money via paypal Vernon.

[vb]

thanks guys! it was a bit tense at the lawyers on thursday but we do have it going. with the money you guys have sent the last couple of days and hopefully the stuff comin down the pipe line i think we can keep th guy focused for awhile. if any of you shop at shops. would you mind mentioning this battle as well. collect anything you can and have em make the check to john henderson. send me the check. if you dont mind. some may want to donate anon . others may want the publicity. ask em and let me know so i can do the right thing by em.
as for tommorrow. red tj gray campbell hood . lots of warn products and a red boarder collie named molly. i plan on parking in the middle of the trail

[1BGDOG]

Vernon,
Nice meeting you today and Molly. I hope you got a decent amount of support from the group out there. I know my 10 spot won't go to far but a bunch of them will!! Matt

[vb]

thanks matt!! molly sure likes meeting folks too. you money is apreciated fer sure. i recieved 3-20's and 3-tens today. plus i had a hoot putin the faces with the names.

[skulltoy]

Wish I coulda gave more, I'm glad you made it today so I could give it to you!

[boulderbob]

Hey Vernon,
Great meeting and talking with you Sunday at Carnage. Thanks for carrying the ball on this effort, I was glad to make a donation. Look forward to running Barking Dog with you someday.
Bob

[Murfman]

check is going out in the mail tomorrow

[ChiliPepper / Kenny]

Hey Vernon, did you get my check yet? I put it in the mail on the 15th. Sorry its not a lot, but its what I can do right now. Whats the latest update. Are we getting anywhere near what is needed?

[jonboy]

VB, just PayPal'ed ya some $$

[vb]

i will be stopin by the po in the morning and will post an update for you
thanks for the help folks. one thing to keep in mind also is that this is an on going process we will need money consistantly till finished

[vb]

also for any of those interested our lawyer (john henderson ) will be adressing the mile high jeep club this thursday. you are all welcome as my guest to come and hear what the guy has to say

[1BGDOG]

VB,
Where and what time is the meeting? I am down in Denver that evening and might try to swing by if time permits? Matt

[vb]

730 i70 and youngfield go east under 70 and then south look to your left. there is a grange building there and should be lots of 4xs call if you need to 9702220065

[jonboy]

How did the presentation go at the MHJC meeting?

[vb]

oddly. seem sthat the feller that invited him (not me) did not check with the club. the leaders of the club dicided not to let the poor guy talk. yup i was embarrased! john seemed ok with it but lawyers are good poker players. there was some sabitoge and the decisions are postponed till jan. for there funds. so at this point its me and you folks and anyone else that wants to chip in. im in need of about 1200 for this first round still. send a buck if its all you got and ask your friends too. im serious, i will take singles to make this work and we will all be the better for the battle

[Snotty]

VB,

Sorry about the treatment your lawyer received. From some of the stuff I have heard about the MHJC and my own experiences with the go4's in Aurora, is the reason I won't join a club. Almost seems like, when push comes to shove, these clubs don't have the balls to step up the plate. Quite a shame really...

I will have some coin for you at the end of this month to help, and you know you can count on me for reseaching a topic to death.

Glad the stuff I sent you the other day helped out. Let me know what else you might need and I'll see what I can do.

[ChiliPepper / Kenny]

I should be able to pitch in a little more at the beginning of December as well. Seems like maybe we could do a raffle or something to make some money as well?

[ASCTLC]

I tell you what, I'll donate my YJ Tomken winch plate (1 month old but can't tell it's not brand new) and donate *all* of the money to the Barking Dog fight. This plate new is $157 plus the cost of shipping and/or tax.

*BUT* here's the deal. *BEFORE* I follow through with this, someone would need to help me (to mutual satifaction) determine the rules for the contest. I won't let it go for a small $150 total Barking Dog donation, I expect it to generate something more substantial than that. If you want a winch plate cheap, I expect you help generate a total donation exceeding my total contribution (check + winch plate)!!! After all, you'd be getting a fine piece of equipment for your generosity.

I figure something like the plate going to the person who donates the most money greater than $45 over a defined period of time. Send the donation to VB (to be sent to John H. for the fund) if he's up for this. That'll take me outta the picture, other than handing it over to who Verne tells me won it. You'll have a "checks and balance" and Barking Dog will have a donation more than 150 bucks (NOT that those 10's and 20's aren't helping!!!).

If there's some way of verifying past donations (like a canceled check or ?), then future donation could be added to it to get your total contribution up? Or this may piss too many people off and we could just start all over. Not that this wouldn't piss the same amount of people off but hey, gotta have some clear cut off definition. Suggestions?

You'd have to pick up the piece or pay for shipping (after all, in addition to the check I just mailed, I just donated a virtually new winch plate, what more do you want?).

But be aware, I may be winning my own plate back, so open that check book ;) And I won't even count the $100 I expected to get for the plate in the For Sale section as part of my donation for this contest(?).

Good idea or too much hassle?

Andy

[ASCTLC]

DAMN!!! Forgot to tell ya, don't tell the wife. :eek: This money from the sale, having already been spent for the winch plate, was to be recycled back into Jeep parts (to leave the bank account alone).

Andy

[vb]

it is easy for me to go thru the donations. i have a detailed list and of course the money in paypal is still there. so no one will be missed. i will talk with a friend of mine sunday and i might be able to add to the kitty. its a good idea. lets run with it!! what does everyone else think? i do like retroactively includeing the first folks to donate . plus depending on the time period that we chose the pot for prize can grow plus the total could be a cumulative thing (in other words if a person donated ten dollars 5 times that gets em over the 45). i always have almost new -used parts. and maybe as time goes i could do as you are. plus we might find some businesss out there that might be up for this (scott?)

[Eagle]

Shot you $$ via Paypal Vernon. How is the fund doing? The actions? Thanks for heading this up. I have never driven on barking dog, but this guy is just plain wrong!

[vb]

thanks for the help and words. yup its wrong and right doesnt always prevail easily . the lawyer is doin stuff and thats about all i can share since knobby still stops by the site

[Eagle]

This has also been cross-posted on JU for more visability.

http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2682812#post2682812

[vb]

thanks

[j5]

Originally posted by vb:
oddly. seem sthat the feller that invited him (not me) did not check with the club. the leaders of the club dicided not to let the poor guy talk. yup i was embarrased! john seemed ok with it but lawyers are good poker players. You're kidding me. This guy took personal time to show up and they wouldn't let him speak because someone didn't clear it? If it were me, I'd either bill someone for my time or be a little peaved. Unbelieveable. Why punish the good samaritan?

[j5]

Originally posted by vb:
what does everyone else think? (scott?)I think it's a great idea. Emailed you and now understand better what the chatter was about.

[ November 24, 2002, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: j5 ]

[IAJeeper]

Originally posted by Eagle:
This has also been cross-posted on JU for more visability.

http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2682812#post2682812just noticed this on JU and unfortunately I'm not sure its helping the cause. I don't know all the details yet as I'm still wading through the history

[ November 25, 2002, 08:33 PM: Message edited by: IAJeeper ]

[vb]

the jeff replieing that vb is wrong and dishonest is mark boslough. he is the land owner that has blocked the road illegaly and the things on the dark endever site are lies and propaganda by him and his wife. as for the donations-check it out i am not asking for a dime in my name . all donations are in the name of our lawyer and are handed over to him. the facts are that this guy lies and the county knows full well it is a county road

[vb]

i tried to register but it seems to be taking awhile. the only person watching this for a few years is mark himself and the claim of me trashing anything is a lie. varified by the sherrif that walked the road the day after we cleaned up the road from the obstructions and destruction of boslough himself. let this be a lesson. knobby bobby still stops by and is doing his best to throw a wrench in this. btw the contention that this has never been a county road is not true either and if the county takes that stand i will file criminal charges against those that so state. because it is fraud. in fact the lawyer is looking into this right now. i just talked with him today. plus the gov.s office . plus the d a's office as well.
so any of you on that ju board take this to the board and post it. also you will notice that dolomite is a ficticous name (again) and that the registration is brand new and i bet if you contact the master of the boards they will fiend the post either coming from nm or possably the guy from the de site.

[IAJeeper]

I suspected it may have been the same person, however hadn't got through the pages of reading on here yet. VB, I'll post your response over there.

[Snotty]

I posted the gist of the posts here and my research effots over there. Yikes, I feel a little dirty now...

[vb]

stop

[YJ Dave]

VB please contact me off line. I think I may have found a source of funding for the Barking Dog issue.
If needed Cole F can get you intouch with me.

[vb]

sencha some mail????

[spacely]

hey VB...do you still want me to help by doing some research? I was planning on going to the historical society on Sat...and, uh, may need someone to help out with that...just let me know

[vb]

hey space
yeah that would be great. any info will always help and the issue is far from dead

[spacely]

alright...I'll try to get in contact with you within the next week or two

[YJ Dave]

Did anyone see the article in the Sunday Post, "the Roads Less Traveled"? It is about Moffat County doing the exact oppisit of what Boulder, has done.
Moffat County, is going out and laying claim to many old right of ways, to prevent a new Federal Wildreness from being formed.
Denver Post article (http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E11%7E1534160,00.html?search=filter)

[vb]

post in chit chat about it

[spacely]

i didn't see that one, but i think i saw another editorial on it in thurs or friday's paper... from a historic perspective, i think that moffat county wanting to do that can be detrimental to the historic/archeological sites that are along those "roads" that they are claiming...

County records show several of the claims rest solely on the testimony of a single resident who said the routes were once used by Indians.um, history like this is usually told from the PERSPECTIVE of the person telling it, so what has the county done to double check this person's story? You can't try to reclaim 2,000 miles worth of road just based on what one person has TOLD you. I would certainly hope that they have done extensive research into their plat maps, tax records, deeds, newspapers, etc. to double check this person's story

[ August 03, 2003, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: spacely ]

[vb]

actually the colorado county comissioners passed a resalution asking for a moa with gail norten so that just one person can do exactly that (asert 2477 row)

[xjfun]

hey guys get ahold of me i think i can really help pgrntm@aol.com hell give me a call 3034849904.

[JeepJV]

I see a "stop" message and reference to private funding. Has funding been resolved?

[vb]

im sorry,
not sure what your askin??? stop message?? private funding??

[JeepJV]

Sorry I wasn't clear there.

I read the 11/26/02 message "stop" and the 7/13/03 message: "VB please contact me off line. I think I may have found a source of funding for the Barking Dog issue. "

I didn't see anything after that about needing more cash for legal fees. I see you're still working on getting the details for opening up the trail, and wanted to be sure you had all the funds to pay the attorney.

[vb]

i do not have the funds and daves idea was good but not something that this qualifies for .i would love the help and its a great time. the longer this waits the bolder the surrounding landowner gets and the more others try the same

btw i have most of the leg work finished. just need the funds to get in front of a judge

[JeepJV]

OK, I'm not sure what Dave had suggested. Looking at the list of businesses in the Wheeler's Network though, some may be able to create a "CO4x4 special" and provide for a donation to the legal fees. If there's some interest, and done properly, this would also allow for an ongoing legal fund for similar issues.

Let's say there's a $25 donation on a sale. (deductable expense). With just 10 different businesses, each making 10 qualified sales we would raise $2500. The figures are for an example only. Some may make smaller or larger donations depending on the type of business. Also, there could be more businesses willing to participate. I'm willing.

If you need/want a service or product anyway, and can buy it from the network, and a portion goes to help solve some of these types of issues: just seems like everybody comes out ahead.

[ September 29, 2003, 11:40 PM: Message edited by: JeepJV ]

[vb]

i think that that idea was talked around some here. and then there is the question of who has the time to pfomote the idea to businesses

i have personally set up a legal fund as you described. its called the barking dog fund. right now it has only money in it that was donated just for those few that know about the fund and its expected to be used toward barking dog right now. all other moneys that i have collected to date have gone straight to the lawyer and are held in a fund there.
feel free to promote around if youd like
thanks

[JeepJV]

Yes, I've been following the formation of the Barking Dog Fund which is what sparked the idea of an on-going fund drive. That and knowing there are other biz owners here, the "promotion" would be here on the forum. This would be by 4-wheelers for 4-wheelers, not an advertised special to the general public. After the Barking Dog issue is settled, the specials could either be dropped or applied to other legal matters.

Adding a note or link beside the listing in the Wheeler's Network about a special offering may be enough. I will even donate space on one of my sites to post the specials for each business. (This would be seperate from the online service guide to keep it within the 4-wheel community.)

I'll double check for postings about raising funds and post a new one if needed, or maybe add something to my signature file.

[jumpinNrollin]

Originally posted by vb:
i do not have the funds and daves idea was good but not something that this qualifies for .i would love the help and its a great time. the longer this waits the bolder the surrounding landowner gets and the more others try the same

btw i have most of the leg work finished. just need the funds to get in front of a judge Sent you something through Paypal. Thanks

[RidgeRunner]

Sent some money through paypal, thanks for your work!

Dave